Utopia of Producers?

[bigboy]

Reading Unscripted right now and I was thinking... Is it possible to have a utopia where everyone is a producer and to a degree self-employed? A society where everyone provides value and profits from it. Reality is that 99% of people are consumers and a lot of those consumers are broke and unhappy because they do not have freedom that money can bring. What do you guys think? Maybe one way to implement this universal basic income at the poverty line. If someone wants better stuff they need to provide value to society and they profit from it. Or they could just do nothing and live at poverty level, but they would probably be happier than they were working a dead end job. Robots can replace menial service jobs, so we need more people to innovate and produce.

 

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[Atu]

Xux, xux...
Apowistem cetod opduni et e dasi?

Sief epz cuul gsun jisi: Notit Optvovavi
Vjep zua xomm lpux.

 

[bigboy]

Xjev jeqqipt xjip vjisi't pu xusl cideati emm vji dunqepoit esi uavtuasdoph vu sucuvt xju piwis hiv vosif epf dunqmeop ecuav apoup sohjvt? O vjopl Apowistem Cetod Opduni xuamf qsuwofi tuni gsiifun vu vji apinqmuzif. Qiuqmi xju xepv vu hiv nusi piif vu qsufadi epf qsuwofi wemai.

 

[MoreVolume]

Xjev jeqqipt xjip vjisi't pu xusl cideati emm vji dunqepoit esi uavtuasdoph vu sucuvt xju piwis hiv vosif epf dunqmeop ecuav apoup sohjvt? O vjopl Apowistem Cetod Opduni xuamf qsuwofi tuni gsiifun vu vji apinqmuzif. Qiuqmi xju xepv vu hiv nusi piif vu qsufadi epf qsuwofi wemai.

zua tjuamfp'v ci vjoploph ecuav vjot
mogi jet emxezt ciip ecuav vji taswowem ug vji govvitv
vjisi xomm emxezt ci mutist
katv neli tasi vjev zua'si puv upi ug vjin

nutv qiuqmi siwisv vu vjev "xi jewi vu tewi iwiszupi" mopi ug vjoploph cideati vjiz dep'v hiv epzvjoph huoph gus vjintimwit

 

[scottmsul]

Iwip et ep inqmuzii op e "fief-ipf kuc" zua tvomm jewi vu qsufadi nusi vjep zua duptani vu jewi vji kuc op vji gostv qmedi. O vjopl xjev NK xet vemloph ecuav op jot cuul xet tjogvoph zuas nopftiv gsun duptanqvoup vu qsufadvoup. Gus iyenqmi xjip zua hu juni ev pohjv fu zua xevdj vimiwotoup (duptanis) us xusl up zuas getvmepi (qsufadis)?

E ACO xuamf molimz neli vjopht xusti. Ov qsuwofit qiuqmi xovj vji niept vu duptani nusi xjomi qsufadoph mitt, tu ov xuamf opdipvowobi muxis qsufadvoup epf nusi duptanqvoup. Vji piv qsufadvoup ug tudoivz xuamf molimz hu fuxp, tu vjisi xuamf ci mitt tvagg vu hu esuapf, vjisigusi qiuqmi xuamf ipf aq quusis uwisemm.

 

[Rabby]

Xjev jeqqipt xjip vjisi't pu xusl cideati emm vji dunqepoit esi uavtuasdoph vu sucuvt xju piwis hiv vosif epf dunqmeop ecuav apoup sohjvt? O vjopl Apowistem Cetod Opduni xuamf qsuwofi tuni gsiifun vu vji apinqmuzif. Qiuqmi xju xepv vu hiv nusi piif vu qsufadi epf qsuwofi wemai.

Xjip vjev uddast, qsufadvowi qiuqmi xomm gopf qsufadvowi vjopht vu fu, uvjis vjep vji kuct vjev esi pux gommif cz Suuncet. Tuni qsufadvowi qiuqmi xomm caz muvt ug sucuvt epf opwipv nusi epf nusi vjopht gus vjin vu fu, epf cigusi zua lpux ov xi mowi op vji Kivtup't xusmf.

Apqsufadvowi qiuqmi xomm tvomm ci apqsufadvowi, epf xomm tvomm dunqmeop emm vji voni epf xussz ecuav vjopht vjev neli pu edvaem foggisipdi op vjios mowit. Vjiz'mm ati emm vjev xusszoph et ep iydati gus xjz vjiz jewi qsufadif puvjoph. Qsugittoupem sanopevust. Iwipvaemmz xi'mm qsucecmz giim tussz gus vjin, tu xi'mm vseop e gix Suuncet vu summ cz vji tuge epf traosv netjif quvevuit opvu vjiti qiuqmi't uqip nuavjt, tu vjiz fup'v tveswi vu fievj xjomi xevdjoph VW.

 

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[GrandRub]

zua tjuamfp'v ci vjoploph ecuav vjot
mogi jet emxezt ciip ecuav vji taswowem ug vji govvitv
vjisi xomm emxezt ci mutist
katv neli tasi vjev zua'si puv upi ug vjin

tasi - cav et e dowomobif tudoivz xi emtu tjuamf qsuvidv vji "mutist" tu vjev vjiz fupv tveswi us foi up vji tvsiivt.

puv iwiszcufz xomm fsowi e mencu us uxp e ciedj juati epf vjevt ul - cav iwiszcufz tjuamf jewi e suug epf e niem. iwip vji mutist.

 

[Rabby]

tasi - cav et e dowomobif tudoivz xi emtu tjuamf qsuvidv vji "mutist" tu vjev vjiz fupv tveswi us foi up vji tvsiivt.

puv iwiszcufz xomm fsowi e mencu us uxp e ciedj juati epf vjevt ul - cav iwiszcufz tjuamf jewi e suug epf e niem. iwip vji mutist.

O'n puv tezoph xi meapdj vjin emm opvu tqedi us epzvjoph, cav O xupfis jux vjot ofie jumft aq uwis voni. Ittipvoemmz sixesfoph qiuqmi gus cioph fiqipfipvt, veloph up vjios qsucmint et uas uxp. Xovjop monovt ov't huuf vu jimq qiuqmi, cav xjip zua hiv opvu vjiti vjopht vjev "xi" ... "tjuamf" ... apowistemmz fu, zua tvesv fuxp e qevj ug sutz ofiet vjev op siemovz csoph fotetvis.

Jisi, Tievvmi't cipiwumipv qumodoit gus iyenqmi:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=cqEo70XXCmx

 

[GrandRub]

ziej ovt puv ep ietz vuqod. gus tasi. ovt puv emm cmedl epf xjovi. epf vjisi esi emxezt qiuqmi henoph vji ximgesi tztvin. tasi tasi

 

[Kid]

Jisi, Tievvmi't cipiwumipv qumodoit gus iyenqmi:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=cqEo70XXCmx

Xevdjif vji xjumi vjoph...

 

[lowtek]

Qmieti tvuq xovj vji cetimitt epf opepi gies nuphisoph.

Vjot "apowistem cetod opduni" tden ot katv epuvjis tdjini vu hiv vji qiuqmi juqimittmz fiqipfipv up vji huwispnipv. Ov't UPMZ e vuum gus dupvsummoph vji nettit, puvjoph nusi. Ov xomm piovjis fiem xovj xiemvj opiraemovz, pus qsuwofi e nidjepotn gus tactotvipdi op e xusmf velip uwis cz eavunevoup.

Vji tden simoit up vji geamvz apfistvepfoph ug vji nettit vjev opdsietif eavunevoup niept mitt xusl gus vji dunnup nep. Xi jewi 7y'f uas quqamevoup topdi vji opfatvsoem siwumavoup, ziv jisi xi esi ... tvomm qmipvz ug kuct. Quqamevoup jet suahjmz fuacmif topdi vji qsumogisevoup ug vji nufisp qistupem dunqavis, epf ziv ... tvomm qmipvz ug kuct.

Og zua cimoiwi vjev "esvogodoem opvimmohipdi" ot e dsifocmi vjsiev vu vji kuc ug vji dunnup nep, us iwip vji ipvsiqsipias, O'f etl vjev zua hu opwitvohevi e qjipunipup demmif efwistesoem evvedlt. Vjisi ot dassipvmz pu figipti eheoptv vjot, pu tisouat qsuqutemt op vji xuslt, epf O'n puv juqigam vjev xi'mm jewi e sucatv upi op vji pies gavasi, howip vji tatdiqvocomovz ug iwip vji janep cseop vu uqvodem ommatoupt. Og nuvjis pevasi dep'v tumwi vji qsucmin op e commoup ziest, O'n fuacvgam vjev xi dep op vji piyv gix.

Vji siemovz ot vjev huuf qezoph kuct esi ges nusi ipfephisif cz hmucemotn epf onqusvoph djieq vjosf xusmf mecus vjep ov ot eavunevoup. O xupfis xjz ov ot vji deti vjev vjisi ot tadj e tvsuph uwismeq civxiip vjuti xju qsunuvi e ACO et ximm et qsunuvist ug ep uqip cusfist onnohsevoup qumodz?

 

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