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[Thoelt53]

Next forum Book Discussion?

The forum would become ground zero for the next mental health epidemic.

 

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[AgainstAllOdds]

I guess it's nice to see that Andrew has progressed.

Only a year ago he was paying women in Amsterdam to tie him up and peg him.

A short while later and he finally has his first real relationship. We can all learn a little from Andrew and that dominatrix magic.

 

[LuckyPup]

I guess it's nice to see that Andrew has progressed.

Only a year ago he was paying women in Amsterdam to tie him up and peg him.

A short while later and he finally has his first real relationship. We can all learn a little from Andrew and that dominatrix magic.

Again, I'm late to this circus, but lol, seriously?

 

[Thoelt53]

I guess it's nice to see that Andrew has progressed.

Only a year ago he was paying women in Amsterdam to tie him up and peg him.

A short while later and he finally has his first real relationship. We can all learn a little from Andrew and that dominatrix magic.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Again, I'm late to this circus, but lol, seriously?

I'll try to summarize the Andrew saga.

• Andrew joined the forum early.
• He moved to Scottsdale and from my understanding lived with a couple respected forum members while everyone was working to get their business off the ground
• At the start he had a real business. Then based on his own stupidity and laziness let all his businesses go to shit.
• He decided to go full bro-marketing. Read some books, maybe took some courses on NLP and some other bullshit.
• Using his reputation on the forum started peddling his own bullshit courses teaching people how to build a successful business even though he was never successful.
• Basically used the forum as a means of swindling members into paying for his guru bullshit.
• Most people didn't call him out for years partly because of his reputation here and because you couldn't tell if he was creating something of value or not.
• Then it got too much: He created this thread trying to sell a dating book ... even though by the looks of it he never even kissed a girl other than his mom.
• One of the intro chapters described how he want to Amsterdam and paid a dominatrix to do dominatrix stuff for two weeks so that he could better understand "women".
• Because he was so enlightened, he decided to make this thread and peddle more bullshit to potential forum marks.
• Since everyone could instantly verify that this guy is a loser, they called him out on his bullshit and how he has zero authority to write a dating book.
• Andrew during this time decided to recuse himself from the forum.
• He came back and posted a thread about a vegan company he was starting including notable details. Some of us here were happy for him that he moved on from the dating book.
• Turns out he doesn't actually own the vegan company and was getting paid like a grand a month to work for some guy that housed him in the equivalent of a Peruvian dorm room. He deleted everything in the vegan thread.
• Left the forum again.
• Now living in Peru, he finally met a girl and is convinced that he's the greatest thing ever. He's publishing a new book titled "The Great Relationship" or whatever.
• While his girlfriend is in Florida going to Disney World and visiting family, Andrew is in Peru peddling more bullshit and stuck in a foreign country since he likely cannot afford to return home for a trip with his girl ... or ever for that matter.

That summarizes the Andrew saga.

He's the perfect example of what will happen if you try to rip people off and be lazy in order to make your money. He's also someone we like to make an example out of as an indirect warning to all other fake gurus that try to swindle members on this forum.

 

[LuckyPup]

I'll try to summarize the Andrew saga.

• Andrew joined the forum early.
• He moved to Scottsdale and from my understanding lived with a couple respected forum members while everyone was working to get their business off the ground
• At the start he had a real business. Then based on his own stupidity and laziness let all his businesses go to shit.
• He decided to go full bro-marketing. Read some books, maybe took some courses on NLP and some other bullshit.
• Using his reputation on the forum started peddling his own bullshit courses teaching people how to build a successful business even though he was never successful.
• Basically used the forum as a means of swindling members into paying for his guru bullshit.
• Most people didn't call him out for years partly because of his reputation here and because you couldn't tell if he was creating something of value or not.
• Then it got too much: He created this thread trying to sell a dating book ... even though by the looks of it he never even kissed a girl other than his mom.
• One of the intro chapters described how he want to Amsterdam and paid a dominatrix to do dominatrix stuff for two weeks so that he could better understand "women".
• Because he was so enlightened, he decided to make this thread and peddle more bullshit to potential forum marks.
• Since everyone could instantly verify that this guy is a loser, they called him out on his bullshit and how he has zero authority to write a dating book.
• Andrew during this time decided to recuse himself from the forum.
• He came back and posted a thread about a vegan company he was starting including notable details. Some of us here were happy for him that he moved on from the dating book.
• Turns out he doesn't actually own the vegan company and was getting paid like a grand a month to work for some guy that housed him in the equivalent of a Peruvian dorm room. He deleted everything in the vegan thread.
• Left the forum again.
• Now living in Peru, he finally met a girl and is convinced that he's the greatest thing ever. He's publishing a new book titled "The Great Relationship" or whatever.
• While his girlfriend is in Florida going to Disney World and visiting family, Andrew is in Peru peddling more bullshit and stuck in a foreign country since he likely cannot afford to return home for a trip with his girl ... or ever for that matter.

That summarizes the Andrew saga.

He's the perfect example of what will happen if you try to rip people off and be lazy in order to make your money. He's also someone we like to make an example out of as an indirect warning to all other fake gurus that try to swindle members on this forum.

Holy. Sh*t. Animosity well deserved. I'll look for him on an upcoming episode of American Greed. Thanks for making the effort to make that timeline. Wow!

 

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[AllenCrawley]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

 

[Raoul Duke]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

I'll look for him on an upcoming episode of American Greed

Lol. You won't see him there.

The guy's too dumb to ever be successful even as a scam artist.

 

[Thoelt53]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

 

[LuckyPup]

Lol. You won't see him there.

The guy's too dumb to ever be successful even as a scam artist.

I was going to add that caveat.

 

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[Xeon]

The "crybation" term is a new level of slang. Initially I thought it's a combination of "crybaby" and "nation", referring to something like spoilt millennials, but after looking at Urban dic.....WOW.

 

[ZF Lee]

I'm not gonna pile on. F*ck it. At least, he is doing "something". Yea, I think he is a total fruit loop. And I guarantee he is puffing out his chest like a proud peacock bc of all the views and comments on this thread. He equates that to popularity. Crazy!

This is what gives brand awareness a bad name.

No wonder sweat drips down my neck whenever I see the word on a copywriting job.

 

[MythOfSisyphus]

That summarizes the Andrew saga.

He's the perfect example of what will happen if you try to rip people off and be lazy in order to make your money. He's also someone we like to make an example out of as an indirect warning to all other fake gurus that try to swindle members on this forum.

Thankyou for the excellent summary. I only just discovered this excellent thread and have been trying to piece it together.

I just watched the soulmate video. I turned it off about 2 minutes in and sat motionless for several minutes, too afraid to move. I know I'll be back for more later though.

 

[Thoelt53]

Thankyou for the excellent summary. I only just discovered this excellent thread and have been trying to piece it together.

I just watched the soulmate video. I turned it off about 2 minutes in and sat motionless for several minutes, too afraid to move. I know I'll be back for more later though.

Do it. This is all you need to prepare you for the apocalypse.

 

[Xeon]

Quick self-improvement question : How does one become a high-value male highly sought after by women?
I want to be that kind of guy.

 

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[Deleted50669]

Oh what the hell (yes I went down the rabbit hole for 3 minutes)

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aa_cX5ssuZU


@Eskil can we get this guy a Stabylcam?!

that gave me cancer

 

[lowtek]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

OooOOo

This actually makes sense

 

[Vigilante]

I'll try to summarize the Andrew saga.

• Andrew joined the forum early.
• He moved to Scottsdale and from my understanding lived with a couple respected forum members while everyone was working to get their business off the ground
• At the start he had a real business. Then based on his own stupidity and laziness let all his businesses go to shit.
• He decided to go full bro-marketing. Read some books, maybe took some courses on NLP and some other bullshit.
• Using his reputation on the forum started peddling his own bullshit courses teaching people how to build a successful business even though he was never successful.
• Basically used the forum as a means of swindling members into paying for his guru bullshit.
• Most people didn't call him out for years partly because of his reputation here and because you couldn't tell if he was creating something of value or not.
• Then it got too much: He created this thread trying to sell a dating book ... even though by the looks of it he never even kissed a girl other than his mom.
• One of the intro chapters described how he want to Amsterdam and paid a dominatrix to do dominatrix stuff for two weeks so that he could better understand "women".
• Because he was so enlightened, he decided to make this thread and peddle more bullshit to potential forum marks.
• Since everyone could instantly verify that this guy is a loser, they called him out on his bullshit and how he has zero authority to write a dating book.
• Andrew during this time decided to recuse himself from the forum.
• He came back and posted a thread about a vegan company he was starting including notable details. Some of us here were happy for him that he moved on from the dating book.
• Turns out he doesn't actually own the vegan company and was getting paid like a grand a month to work for some guy that housed him in the equivalent of a Peruvian dorm room. He deleted everything in the vegan thread.
• Left the forum again.
• Now living in Peru, he finally met a girl and is convinced that he's the greatest thing ever. He's publishing a new book titled "The Great Relationship" or whatever.
• While his girlfriend is in Florida going to Disney World and visiting family, Andrew is in Peru peddling more bullshit and stuck in a foreign country since he likely cannot afford to return home for a trip with his girl ... or ever for that matter.

That summarizes the Andrew saga.

He's the perfect example of what will happen if you try to rip people off and be lazy in order to make your money. He's also someone we like to make an example out of as an indirect warning to all other fake gurus that try to swindle members on this forum.

90%. You missed a few things along the way, like his thread where he needed to “dumb things down for me” and the crowdfunding coaching book he published when he had never run a crowdfunding campaign before. His magazine that had enough subscribers to buy a small country. He had a donation seat I think at a few poker parties in Scottsdale. Was he a Zen fan boy? He wanted MJ to pay him to speak st the meet up.

And throughout, MJ continued to hope for an amazing turnaround but he went deeper and deeper into the Amsterdam hole (pun intended.)

 

[GlobalWealth]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

Lol. I was about to post something about this but figured it wasn't worth the effort.

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[GlobalWealth]

The "crybation" term is a new level of slang. Initially I thought it's a combination of "crybaby" and "nation", referring to something like spoilt millennials, but after looking at Urban dic.....WOW.

It's my valuable contribution to the forum. You are all welcome.

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[ZF Lee]

Quick self-improvement question : How does one become a high-value male highly sought after by women?
I want to be that kind of guy.

I only want to be sought after by women who have good values and have a humble learning attitude.

I don't want all women to go after me, even though that makes for a smaller pool of fish.

In the old days, the ladies were trained in all kinds of skills.

Cooking, sewing, handicraft, small business and so on.

I've picked up some of these skills from the women in my life, but I could have picked up more. My aunt passed away from dementia before I could learn how she did those homemade patchwork blankets. I might never learn up that art again.

Last afternoon when I was sewing a button on a pair of jeans, I just realised sorrowfully that most of today's women only know how to chase boys and play politics instead of enriching themselves with homely skills and values.

I realised that most of the fundamental skills that have led up to today were taught by strong, capable women, who were my mum, teachers and others, who certainly weren't doing all this pick-up shit when they were younger.
We need more of their kind more than ever.

But to have more of their kind in the days to come, we need to support the young ladies as they work hard to form these important attributes.

And that involves not disturbing them with all these pickup crap,

They don't need it any more than we do.

They are like us, looking to improve in their lives. The less rubbish distractions we give them, the more likely they are to find beneficial channels.

Not sure why I'm ranting about this today.
Perhaps OP's slew of books got to me the wrong way.

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

90%. You missed a few things along the way, like his thread where he needed to “dumb things down for me” and the crowdfunding coaching book he published when he had never run a crowdfunding campaign before. His magazine that had enough subscribers to buy a small country. He had a donation seat I think at a few poker parties in Scottsdale. Was he a Zen fan boy? He wanted MJ to pay him to speak st the meet up.

And throughout, MJ continued to hope for an amazing turnaround but he went deeper and deeper into the Amsterdam hole (pun intended.)

My apologies. I knew I was missing something about the great Andrew.

He wanted MJ to pay him to speak st the meet up.

I'd paid for that guy to leave.

 

[MitchM]

I wonder, which person, between the two of them, is faking it the most?

Hoolllyyyyy F*ck. How did I not see this last time?

It feels like I just hit an AMRAP on squats. Gonna need some icy hot for my glutes.

I think that the most valuable takeaway from all of this is the importance of substance and putting the market first. Find out what the market needs and solve a problem. DON'T put yourself or a "solution" first.

When you make yourself the starting point of the equation, you get situations like this:

Shiny object syndrome, delusion, and an endless cycle of mental masturbation - leading to zero progress.

Of course, I'm not saying that we don't start businesses to make lots of money and lead great lives - but paradoxically the best way to get there is to actually understand a market and serve it to the best of your abilities.

I don't think that Andrew is a bad guy. He has good intentions but his mental framework for navigating the world of business - and the world at large - is obviously warped. The cure, in my opinion, is entirely practical: drop all NLP and stories about your past. Hit the reset button. Start a real business helping real people get real & measurable results.

 

[G-Man]

Wouldn’t it be crazy if that dominatrix was a forum member?

I have a confession to make. I'm the dominatrix. Progress Thread coming soon.

Andrew once solicited me for 2k for NLP. I never told anyone this, but since this thread has turned into a tell all I figured I might as well.

EDIT: Guys I fat fingered the original post and said 8k. It was 2k. I know we’re dogpiling but don’t want to mis-represent.

 

[MitchM]

I have a confession to make. I'm the dominatrix. Progress Thread coming soon.

Andrew once solicited me for 8k for NLP. I never told anyone this, but since this thread has turned into a tell all I figured I might as well.

Did he brainwash you and make you peg him? I'm so sorry.

 

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[Raoul Duke]

Andrew once solicited me for 8k for NLP. I never told anyone this, but since this thread has turned into a tell all I figured I might as well.

You fibbing. lol

Why didn’t you go through with it?

You could have been one step closer to a better you.

 

[Milkanic]

You have passed the pegging test.

The next step in your NLP journey is to find and date the ugliest woman in South America. Are you ready for the next level?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Andrew once solicited me for 8k for NLP.

Holy sheeeeet... and here I thought he was crazy asking me for $$ to speak at the Summit.

What a freaking tool.

And I was the tool that invited him into my house for poker...

... a shame cuz @AllenCrawley enjoy his game.

 

[YoungPadawan]

I'll just leave this right here...

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Oh my good lord, is this for real?