Stop, saying it doesn't take money to make money and prove IT

[LittleWolfie]

What are you even trying to do in this thread?

It sure seems like you’re not trying to provide value so what’s the point other than to waste peoples time.

#landfill

A) let of steam B) suggest/discuss better translations. If your a native English speaker, then there is no value add to you at all. Working out the meaning, the point and getting people to be clearer will value add for those who do not speak English as their first language.

What you perceive as stubbornes and inability to change mindset might be the language barrier, let's keep in mind when posting these mindset things that not everyone speaks English as their first language and that kind of metaphorical items does not translate well, and may not be adding value.

 

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[GoGetter24]

Are you here because you're interested in getting rich, or not?

This attitude and line of thinking is pointless. Why are you wasting your time with this?

There is a massive list of guys who started with nothing and got rich. It's so common it's almost cliche. It's just as common for people starting with nothing to get rich: because they so frequently have more hunger to do so.

Logical proof:
- You have zero money. No possessions, no home, nothing. Only your fat reserves are keeping you alive.
- You still have your hands, your mind, and your mouth. You can lay bricks for someone. You can carry things for someone. You can fight as a soldier for someone. You can feed animals for someone (you would literally just walk to a farm and ask "can I work for you feeding your animals?").
- They pay you for that.

If you're looking for agreement that you can't get rich, you won't get it here. We won't "stop saying" the truth, but we will start ignoring you if you keep chasing being a loser rather than a winner.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Are you here because you're interested in getting rich, or not?

This attitude and line of thinking is pointless. Why are you wasting your time with this?

There is a massive list of guys who started with nothing and got rich. It's so common it's almost cliche. It's just as common for people starting with nothing to get rich: because they so frequently have more hunger to do so.

Logical proof:
- You have zero money. No possessions, no home, nothing. Only your fat reserves are keeping you alive.
- You still have your hands, your mind, and your mouth. You can lay bricks for someone. You can carry things for someone. You can fight as a soldier for someone. You can feed animals for someone (you would literally just walk to a farm and ask "can I work for you feeding your animals?").
- They pay you for that.

If you're looking for agreement that you can't get rich, you won't get it here. We won't "stop saying" the truth, but we will start ignoring you if you keep chasing being a loser rather than a winner.

Well, I guess it depends on how you define, rich.

Walk to the nearest farm and say can I pay for animals wins. That's proof, thats what I wanted. What is your paypal?

there is a massive list of these guys, but none of them start with I walk to the nearest farm and ask to work for food.

There is the legend of the local guy who came across with nothing but the shirt on his back and now owns his

He started off as a fieldhand taken and delivering the misshapen vegs in his off time. Well how did he deliver? (With his motorbike) so he earned motorbike money in one day on the field? Well no, he brought that with him, how else would he have paid for his lodging? He did well but there was a lot cut out of the public story.2


I don't want you to stop saying " the truth" I want the truth,the whole truth and nothing but.

Put it this way, what would a professional Russian or German or Spanish translation, of the book say in place of mindset?

 

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[LittleWolfie]

I was a total hit at a book club, on e they really likes my interpretation. I don't waste time at parties.

 

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[LittleWolfie]

People saying they need money to make money aren’t talking about needing $50. I don’t understand your argument, do you want people to say it takes at least $50 to make money? That sounds even more ridiculous.

Btw i started my business with $100 which I sold earlier this year for a large amount of money.

How do you know that people talking about needing money, don't just need $50? Did you ask them?
I see lots of people posting that that "just need money" I don't see many posting saying "I need a million or $500,000 or insert arbitrary figure here"

Maybe they just need gas money to get to market to sell their product.

You started your idea with $100, so if someone else wanted to start that in the same place and time, and only had $50, they'd need money right? $50 to be precise.

Maybe they could sell something for $50.

 

[LittleWolfie]

If you can’t come up with $50-$100 then you aren’t going to succeed anyway. And yes I’ll confidently say that people who say that aren’t talking about needing $100 or even $200.

I’m also going to go out on a limb and say that you’ve never started a business based on your posts in this thread.

Never a successful one, I did post about my failures. Okay, your confident what I am trying to find out is how do you know they ard not talking about needing $100 or $200 when they say they need money?

Perhaps I'll not make it because I haven't figured a way to come up with $50 then.

 

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[LittleWolfie]

Look up Sam Zemurray. He pretty much did that level of work. He sold bananas for other people. He had nothing. Zilch. They supplied the bananas and the cart (stock & capital), just like in any other job, and he just pushed it around yelling "bananas for sale". He saved up his wages, and then attempted his own business play (selling ripe bananas inland), and it panned out, making him a millionaire by his early twenties.

It's completely unambiguous that you can make money without money and there's no point demanding & pretending otherwise. Dan Pena is another good story in this. He started with a few hundred bucks and a phone, and simply bootstrapped his way up to millions by leveraging banks (other people's money), his communication skills, and primarily: working like a maniac. And there's Turakhia: youngest billionaire in India, started in IT using his school's computers. If you live in a civilization, guarantee you you have access to public libraries & probably public schools too.

I guarantee you there's someone out there who started a business using refuse. Found a rag and a half-empty tin of shoe polish in a trash heap, and started shining shoes. Or found an old broom and offered sweeping driveways.

You're hunting for a catch 22 that isn't there, to pretend it's impossible, to back up your desire to give up. Come back to reality.

You should just take some time and chill out, and put down anything related to business. Come back to it when the rage is out of your system, have a rethink, and then try again on a new tack.

Thanks these are more on the level im looking for so what's the answer for all those people who can't get a job?

 

[LittleWolfie]

There was a dude (I think he was on this forum, I may be mistaken though) that created a web development service by leveraging outsourcing.

Freelancer and took a client. Got partial payment up front and at milestones. Paid his developers oversees and finished projects. Rinse, repeat. None of his money invested and created profit from nothing. Just a resourceful person.

Can I have my 30 Euros so I can finally become rich?

How did he reach his clients? Did he advertise? Did he walk to them? Or did he need gas money or online ads? If the latter who paid for that. .I've already offered the money in this thread( I have A little money) how did he communicate for free with overseas developers?

Walk to the nearest farm and offer to work, won. They said they had enough farmhands thanks

 

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[LittleWolfie]

my first ''venture'' was shoveling snow, $0 startup. made a few hundred bucks.....

but like mentioned above, if you cant manage to come up with a few hundred bucks you have some big problems you need to tackle.

So did you shovel with your hands? Did you get the shovel for free? So, if it's a case of someone can't come up with a few hundred bucks, I guess there is another issue.

 

[LittleWolfie]

The fact that your posting on here means you or anyone who says they need money has access to internet and a computer so saying they have no money for that is pointless. So let’s come up with ideas for the people you’re talking about in this thread who don’t even have 10cents to thier name yet somehow managed to post on this forum from a computer with internet.

With just internet and computer you can go on Upwork.com and get jobs writing articles, you could do it in notepad or open office or google docs if you have no money for software. You could also do web design, copywriting and save up for photoshop and then you can do graphic design photo editing social media management and now you have money. There you go, money from nothing. Oh it takes work you say? Yeah no sh*t it takes work to make money and a lot of work to make a lot of money, maybe that’s your problem.

Don’t like that idea? Start a Shopify free trial and test products from aliexpress. Use free traffic sources till you get money for ads. There you go. Now you have a scalable business started with $0.

Well, yes that's my point , if you can post on here you have money, so if all you need is money,well done.

You don't need to save up for Photoshop, you can just use one of the open source alternatives like GIMP.

Now if someone says all they need is money to buy software and you tell them where to get a free alternative,that's adding value, your post is a much better response and value add than change your mindset.


Uber's prototype is on Github, for the cost of downloading.

It's not really from nothing it's from a computer and internet connection, it's from things you already have. Maybe if you got a laptop from the dump, and used a public library in walking distance your getting close.

Yeah, of course it takes work, but saying you don't need money comes across to me as like saying you don't need work. Sure you might turn $10 into $1 million but that's not the same as $0 into $100.

When I create software, there's a lot of money that goes into that, sure unit costs are low but development is not,even if it is just me and my computer. There's still rent, elec,bandwidth, backups a lot of things now are 64 bit which are harder to get online. Not a problem if your writing, plenty of 32 not free stuff about.

I'm not sure about upwork, they are making it harder and harder for new freelancers too join. Fiverr doesn't seem to be too great either, unless your selling something you can do in five minutes.

See I need to know what are the free traffic sources, I can use, not to change my mindset.


I like the shopify idea, though again it's not literally $0, if it was a company the book value would not be $0 because the laptop is an asset.

 

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[Mattie]

Give me an example where not a single penny was spent and you got money and I will give you €30 for the value add.

Hmm...using other people's money instead of your own. Since non-profits, fundraisers, crowd funding, grant writing donations, other people stepping in some way, some form, some shape. Money does't necessarily come from your own pocket. While it may cost money, where does the money come from? Angel Funds, Scholar Ships. I guess that's the way it works in my specific geographical location in Michigan. From Detroit the music industry, Grand Rapids Van Andel and Amway. I come from a state where people naturally work together if you travel around the whole lake shore. I don't think most of them go anywhere by themselves. But I know we have this Illusion "Help Yourself". Perhaps since technology was invented, the internet, you have different opportunities, but there still is some of the same help going on with crowdfunding, communities, networking, etc.

 

[LittleWolfie]

When I was 16, I showed up for work my first day.

My mom gave me the clothes I had on, she drove me there, and even packed my lunch for me.

I ended up getting paid.

I had ZERO dollars and I put in ZERO dollars. I made money though.

Same thing happened in my "business" too.

My mom is a really great person.

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So maybe instead of telling people to change their mindset, we should tell them to ask their mother for money?