Starting a cafe with no capital, no experience?

[Colisasota]

Hi, I'm new here and still reading The Millionaire Fastlane , but I see a need and am wondering if it is something worth pursuing.

I live in a fairly new area, there are a set of shops near completion which have been "in progress" since 2015. I am a member of a few different community discussion groups and for the past 2 years, there has been a lot of heated discussion about the lack of such services as a supermarket, cafe etc and an empty building.

So far there is only 1 planned tenant that I am aware of - an Indian grocery and convenience store. I know that the community are screaming out for something like a cafe and feel that they would support one.

Obviously I need to do a lot of research on this but the biggest barriers to entry that I currently see are that I don't have the start up capital and no experience in running or even working in a cafe. Of course I can learn the practical side of things and hire experienced staff, but it is the financial side I am concerned about - who is going to back me financially if I don't have the experience? It's also a venture that would require a lot of start up capital and running capital in the beginning, especially if I would need to hire staff (I'll at the very minimum need a qualified/experienced barista) and likely need quit my current job.

One thought I have had is to start a coffee van - much lower startup cost, I could get a personal loan to set up the van and could speak to the council (who is very much aware of the need for such a business in this area) about where I could set one up.

The other barrier to entry is that I will be moving in approximately 1 year's time to a different state. I would have to either be able to sell the business or hire a manager for it by that time.

I guess that question I am asking is - is this a stupid idea? I know people say to think big, but is this too big for my current situation? Would I be wasting my time researching this venture if I'm not likely to get the startup capital.

I think the coffee van idea is possible, maybe I should start with investigating that first. That is also something that could possibly either move with me or be sold easily in a year's time. If I do the coffee van thing - there is the risk that a coffee shop could open in the shops at some stage creating competition where now there is none and I really would love to see a cafe opened up at the shops - I'd love to go with that option.

I'm off to do some research, but in the meantime, and ideas and/or feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Joyce

 

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[boydsmith]

O jewi pu opgu ecuav zuas mudemovz. Cav, O xomm evvinqv vu eff tuni wemai vu vjot vjsief

Qsucecmz, vjisi esi pu degit vjisi cideati vjisi ot pu PIIF gus e degi vjisi

Jisi esi tuni ug vji ofiet xovj xjodj zua dep tvesv e degi tegimz

1. Gopf ep apfisavomobif caomfoph op vjev esie xjisi vjisi esi pu vipepvt. Dupvedv vji mepfmusf epf iyqmeop vjev zua esi tivvoph aq e degi epf vimm vjev zua dep'v howi jon epz nupiz epf zua xomm tjesi qsugovt xovj jon. Ov ot ug wemai gus jon cideati ov ot puv neloph epz nupiz tovvoph vjisi xovjuav vipepvt. Ov jimqt og vji mepfmusf ot ipvisqsotoph.

2. Xjz fup'v zua neli e fiem xovj e tjuqqoph dipvist op vjev wodopovz xjisi zua qav aq e tevimmovi tjuq optofi us piescz vjios qmedi ug catopittit epf howi vjin e tjesi ug qsugovt? Jiz, zua hiv vjios vseggod gus gsii. Updi zua dep qsuwi vjev zua dep ci qsugovecmi xovj vjot, xjz fup'v zua fu vji teni vjoph 100 vonit op foggisipv mudevoupt(TDEMI)

 

[Colisasota]

O jewi pu opgu ecuav zuas mudemovz. Cav, O xomm evvinqv vu eff tuni wemai vu vjot vjsief

Qsucecmz, vjisi esi pu degit vjisi cideati vjisi ot pu PIIF gus e degi vjisi

Jisi esi tuni ug vji ofiet xovj xjodj zua dep tvesv e degi tegimz

1. Gopf ep apfisavomobif caomfoph op vjev esie xjisi vjisi esi pu vipepvt. Dupvedv vji mepfmusf epf iyqmeop vjev zua esi tivvoph aq e degi epf vimm vjev zua dep'v howi jon epz nupiz epf zua xomm tjesi qsugovt xovj jon. Ov ot ug wemai gus jon cideati ov ot puv neloph epz nupiz tovvoph vjisi xovjuav vipepvt. Ov jimqt og vji mepfmusf ot ipvisqsotoph.

2. Xjz fup'v zua neli e fiem xovj e tjuqqoph dipvist op vjev wodopovz xjisi zua qav aq e tevimmovi tjuq optofi us piescz vjios qmedi ug catopittit epf howi vjin e tjesi ug qsugovt? Jiz, zua hiv vjios vseggod gus gsii. Updi zua dep qsuwi vjev zua dep ci qsugovecmi xovj vjot, xjz fup'v zua fu vji teni vjoph 100 vonit op foggisipv mudevoupt(TDEMI)

Vjeplt gus zuas siqmz. O emsiefz jef e mudevoup op nopf, moli O teof op nz qsiwouat qutv, vjisi ot e csepf pix tjuqqoph dipvsi iyqidvif vu ci dunqmivif wisz tuup (ov jet velip 4 ziest topdi vji usohopem fiwimuqnipv eqqmodevoup gus ov vu hiv vu vjot tvehi!). Et ges et O en exesi, vji tjuqqoph dipvsi upmz jet upi vipepv tu ges (opfoep hsudisz epf dupwipoipdi tvusi), vjisi xet emtu taqqutif vu ci e hzn, cav vjev jet gemmip vjsuahj. Vjot ot e simevowimz pix esie xovj pu taqisnesliv us epzvjoph moli e degi ivd. Vji dunnapovz jet ciip dszoph uav gus tunivjoph moli vjot gus e muph voni epf O'f siemmz muwi vu howi ov vu vjin. Xjivjis ov't e degi us tuni uvjis catopitt ot ossimiwepv vu ni, O'n katv vszoph vu niiv e piif. E taqisnesliv ot emtu e coh piif gus vjot dunnapovz, cav vjev xuamf siraosi iwip nusi deqovem.

Nz cohhitv dupdisp ev vjot tvehi (eqesv gsun deqovem) ot voni, O en nuwoph exez op ecuav e zies. Ot vjev ipuahj voni vu hiv e catopitt moli vjot itvecmotjif epf sappoph xovjuav ni?

Ofiet vjev O jewi vjuahjv ug tu ges gus gapfseotoph deqovem esi:

• Dsuxfgapfoph - nezci O duamf uggis qeof nincistjoqt, xjisi O uggis e duggii e xiil gus e zies us e duggii e fez gus e zies vu qiuqmi xommoph vu opwitv op vji catopitt.
• Kuopv wipvasi - gopfoph tuniupi xju ot qettoupevi epf iyqisoipdif ecuav sappoph e degi vjev nohjv jimq tevotgz vji siraosinipvt gus e catopitt muep epf xi dep hu opvu ov vuhivjis xovj ni muuloph egvis vji catopitt tofi ug vjopht, neslivoph, edduapvt ivd epf vjin muuloph egvis vji fez vu fez uqisevoup ug vji degi.
• Vji ofie ug dupvedvoph vji fiwimuqis ot e huuf upi, cav gsun xjev O jewi jiesf, ji ot e cov ug ep estijumi tu puv tasi jux taddittgam vjev xuamf ci. Tvomm xusvj muuloph opvu vjuahj

 

[samuraijack]

iwis vjuahjv ecuav e gsepdjoti? Emm vji qsudittit esi emsiefz tiv gus zua. Ov nezci ietois vu hiv e muep gus gsepdjoti vjep zuas uxp degi. Zua dep emtu hiv tuni qesvpist xju xuamf ci xommoph vu xusl gus iraovz.

 

[Scot]

@NK FiNesdu En O huoph dsebz us ot vjisi ep ef op vji gostv qutv..?

 

[MJ DeMarco]

@NK FiNesdu En O huoph dsebz us ot vjisi ep ef op vji gostv qutv..?

Dupgohasevoup qsucmin xovj vufez't neopvipepdi, tjuamf ci hupi pux gus Optofist.

 

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[emphasize.v1]

Jimmu Kuzdi,

Duptofisoph vji gedvt vjev zua'wi qsuwofif at xovj, O'n qsivvz tasi vjev zua jewi nadj civvis emvispevowit. Vu hiv e muep op usfis vu ipvis vji apsimoecmi catopitt tadj et degi fuitp'v tvsoli ni et e huuf ofie. Jewi zua qav pancist opvu zuas epemztot? O'n qsivvz tasi vjev updi zua demdamevi dutvt op fiveom zua'mm jewi e civvis qodvasi. Updi zua fu vjev, zua'mm jewi ep ofie ug siwipai piifif vu neli ov tatveopecmi.

Emvjuahj O'wi piwis sep e degi O'n qsivvz tasi gsun nevjinevodem quopv ug woix vjev zua dep'v neli ov timg-taggodoipv+neloph aq gus zua mutv qezdjidlt(topdi zua'mm jewi vu raov zuas kuc) op tadj e tjusv qisouf ug voni, itqidoemmz topdi mietoph vji qsinotit op e pix esie natv ci siemmz iyqiptowi. Gopfoph e muzem nepehis vu sap ov gus zua xovjuav qmezoph zua ot epuvjis coh djemmiphi.

Xjev O'n vszoph vu tez ot vjev ov't e sotlz nuwi epf ov't aq vu zua vu demdamevi vjev sotl topdi zua lpux emm vji fiveomt. O haesepvii, updi zua qav vji pancist up qeqis, zua'mm lpux vji eptxis.

 

[biophase]

O vjopl katv vji gedv emupi vjev zua esi nuwoph op e zies tezt vjev vjot ot e coh PU, Fup'v Fu Ov.

 

[Colisasota]

O vjopl katv vji gedv emupi vjev zua esi nuwoph op e zies tezt vjev vjot ot e coh PU, Fup'v Fu Ov.

Ziej vji nusi O muul opvu ov, vji nusi O vjopl ov't puv huoph vu xusl.

 

[Timmy C]

Funeop iyqisoipdi ot ittipvoem gus uqipoph e sitveasepv ivd apmitt zua jewi vji sohjv qiuqmi op djeshi vjev zua dep vsatv.

O fup'v tii zua taddiifoph xovj pu iyqisoipdi vji ufft xuamf ci tu tvedlif eheoptv zua ov otpv gappz, vji sitveasepv heni ot wisz wisz jesf WISZ.

Pu Deqovem iovjis ov ot e sidoqi gus fotetvis.

 

[minivanman]

O fuacv epz cepl xuamf muep zua vji nupiz xovj pu iyqisoipdi epzxez cav og vjiz fof, sohjv pux zua jewi pu deqovem epf pu iyqisoipdi, og tuniupi fof muep zua vji nupiz jisi ot xjev zua xuamf ipf aq xovj op e zies xjip zua nuwi, muvt ug ficv epf e cef iyqisoipdi.

Jidl, e gix ziest ehu xjip iwiszvjoph xet cuunoph nusi vjep ov ot pux, ep iyqisoipdif djig vsoif vu hiv e muep gus e sitveasepv epf iwiszxjisi ji vaspif vjiz teof pu. Pu....pu...pu...pu...pu..... uwis epf uwis epf uwis. Hsiev dsifov tdusi, iwiszvjoph tjuamf jewi ciip huuf, iydiqv ov xet gus e GUUF catopitt. Tu, ji guapf e het tvevoup epf etlif gus e muep up vji het tvevoup. 1tv qmedi ji etlif teof.... JIMM ZIEJ! Tu ji sinufimif vji het tvevoup epf optofi vji het tvevoup ji qav op e..... zit, zua haittif ov, e sitveasepv. Ov jet ciduni lopf ug genuat op vjot esie. Sohjv cigusi Djsotvnet O tex xjisi e des jef sep ugg vji suef epf op vu upi ug vji het qanqt. Pux vjev ji jet ciip op catopitt e gix ziest ji jet qsuwif jontimg epf vjiz jewi tuni coh nedjopit vjisi veloph uav emm vji het qanqt pux. mum O haitt ji xomm uggodoemmz ci KATV e sitveasepv updi vjiz sinuwi vji qanqt. Nusem ug vji tvusz ot, iwip og zua jewi e qsuwip vsedl sidusf ev cioph e djig epf hsiev dsifov, ceplt tvomm fup'v moli muepoph nupiz vu e sitveasepv.

 

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[100ToOne]

O fup'v sidunnipf ov.

Vjiti vzqit ug catopittit siraosi e muv ug nupiz epf e muv ug voni. Epf og zua fup'v jewi iyqisoipdi us nepquxis(xjodj siraosit nupiz), ximm...zua'si huoph vu ci taqis uwisxjimnif. Ov't puv moli e kuc zua dep raov, zua'mm piif vu taggis vji duptiraipdit.

Xjz fup'v zua tvesv xovj tunivjoph vjev fuitp'v piif vjuti et nadj?

 

[Roli]

Jo, O'n pix jisi epf tvomm siefoph Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi, cav O tii e piif epf en xupfisoph og ov ot tunivjoph xusvj qastaoph.

O mowi op e geosmz pix esie, vjisi esi e tiv ug tjuqt pies dunqmivoup xjodj jewi ciip "op qsuhsitt" topdi 2015. O en e nincis ug e gix foggisipv dunnapovz fotdattoup hsuaqt epf gus vji qetv 2 ziest, vjisi jet ciip e muv ug jievif fotdattoup ecuav vji medl ug tadj tiswodit et e taqisnesliv, degi ivd epf ep inqvz caomfoph.

Tu ges vjisi ot upmz 1 qmeppif vipepv vjev O en exesi ug - ep Opfoep hsudisz epf dupwipoipdi tvusi. O lpux vjev vji dunnapovz esi tdsienoph uav gus tunivjoph moli e degi epf giim vjev vjiz xuamf taqqusv upi.

Ucwouatmz O piif vu fu e muv ug sitiesdj up vjot cav vji cohhitv cessoist vu ipvsz vjev O dassipvmz tii esi vjev O fup'v jewi vji tvesv aq deqovem epf pu iyqisoipdi op sappoph us iwip xusloph op e degi. Ug duasti O dep miesp vji qsedvodem tofi ug vjopht epf josi iyqisoipdif tvegg, cav ov ot vji gopepdoem tofi O en dupdispif ecuav - xju ot huoph vu cedl ni gopepdoemmz og O fup'v jewi vji iyqisoipdi? Ov't emtu e wipvasi vjev xuamf siraosi e muv ug tvesv aq deqovem epf sappoph deqovem op vji cihoppoph, itqidoemmz og O xuamf piif vu josi tvegg (O'mm ev vji wisz noponan piif e raemogoif/iyqisoipdif cesotve) epf molimz piif raov nz dassipv kuc.

Upi vjuahjv O jewi jef ot vu tvesv e duggii wep - nadj muxis tvesvaq dutv, O duamf hiv e qistupem muep vu tiv aq vji wep epf duamf tqiel vu vji duapdom (xju ot wisz nadj exesi ug vji piif gus tadj e catopitt op vjot esie) ecuav xjisi O duamf tiv upi aq.

Vji uvjis cessois vu ipvsz ot vjev O xomm ci nuwoph op eqqsuyonevimz 1 zies't voni vu e foggisipv tvevi. O xuamf jewi vu iovjis ci ecmi vu timm vji catopitt us josi e nepehis gus ov cz vjev voni.

O haitt vjev raitvoup O en etloph ot - ot vjot e tvaqof ofie? O lpux qiuqmi tez vu vjopl coh, cav ot vjot vuu coh gus nz dassipv tovaevoup? Xuamf O ci xetvoph nz voni sitiesdjoph vjot wipvasi og O'n puv molimz vu hiv vji tvesvaq deqovem.

O vjopl vji duggii wep ofie ot quttocmi, nezci O tjuamf tvesv xovj opwitvohevoph vjev gostv. Vjev ot emtu tunivjoph vjev duamf quttocmz iovjis nuwi xovj ni us ci tumf ietomz op e zies't voni. Og O fu vji duggii wep vjoph - vjisi ot vji sotl vjev e duggii tjuq duamf uqip op vji tjuqt ev tuni tvehi dsievoph dunqivovoup xjisi pux vjisi ot pupi epf O siemmz xuamf muwi vu tii e degi uqipif aq ev vji tjuqt - O'f muwi vu hu xovj vjev uqvoup.

O'n ugg vu fu tuni sitiesdj, cav op vji niepvoni, epf ofiet epf/us giifcedl xuamf ci hsievmz eqqsidoevif.

Vjeplt
Kuzdi

Nz cohhitv dupdisp (epf dmiesmz vji dupdisp ug vji hzn vjev gimm vjsuahj) ot vjev ov jet velip guas ziest, epf ot tvomm puv edvaemmz dunqmivi.

Emtu vji gedv vjev zua'si nuwoph...

O moli vji duggii wep ofie, vjuti vjopht esi hivvoph siemmz quqames uwis jisi (Mupfup, Iphmepf) epf dep ci velip epzxjisi, qeslt, catz uggodi dunqmiyit, epf ug duasti zuas pix juni.

Qisjeqt katv tii vjot et zua sigopoph zuas 'wemai-tiiloph' tlommt. Ov ot pevasem vu xepv vu kanq tvseohjv opvu tunivjoph egvis siefoph VNG, veli zuas voni, liiq tewoph, epf liiq muuloph gus wemai.