Society's Failure

[luniac]

I understand. Also when I speak of society I'm really talking about general influence spread over the media, word of mouth (people repeat even the stupid shit that they hear unfortunately).

What movies do people go see? The ones that are at the box office.
What songs do people listen to? The ones that play on the radio over and over and over.
What form of art do people succomb to? Absurdity, memes, gifs, porn parodies

Eventually, no matter how deep we put our head in the sand. At one point we are subject to the influence of movies, music, art, culture, religion, institutions (nobel prize, harvard, United Nations top comittee, facebook). The rest of the influence comes from the corporations.


Society (goverment, parents, one global consciousness) creates a slow inception of the idea that you must X... and then Y but God forbid don't do Z, ever
Movies, music, art, culture, religion, institutions ---> Nourish the idea

When you come to make a decision. You believe that you have enough information to make a valid choice and not biased one. But all that "information" is not information anymore, it's poison that tastes like gummy bears.

For example:

Society: Eat meat regularly, meat contains protein it's good for you
Society: Proteins are good for you, it's proven by science
Society: Meat can give you cancer
Society: Take heavy radiation to kill cancer
Society: No, Samir Chachoua says that cancer and aids can be killed with alternative treatment to radiation
And then media, corporations, goverment spread the propaganda to the general public (society): This is madness, cancer and aids can only be cured through FDA medicine/treatment (i.e shit that WE declare legal)
Society: Ok but when is game of thrones back on. The Steelers got robbed!! Wtf Myley Cyrus!! That's outrageous.. society is brainwashing us.. Hey halooween, hurrray!!

lol i see u pretty mad bro, bad for your blood pressure man. Just gotta keep your head down and get shit done thats it.

 

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[Jon L]

Debating whether or not we have control over our lives is nothing more than mental masturbation--you don't even get the pleasure of an orgasm.

If you're bothered by what's going on in the world, quit analyzing it. Go out and do something that brings actual value to people's lives.

 

[Mineralogic]

I understand. Also when I speak of society I'm really talking about general influence spread over the media, word of mouth (people repeat even the stupid shit that they hear unfortunately).

What movies do people go see? The ones that are at the box office.
What songs do people listen to? The ones that play on the radio over and over and over.
What form of art do people succomb to? Absurdity, memes, gifs, porn parodies

Eventually, no matter how deep we put our head in the sand. At one point we are subject to the influence of movies, music, art, culture, religion, institutions (nobel prize, harvard, United Nations top comittee, facebook). The rest of the influence comes from the corporations.


Society (goverment, parents, one global consciousness) creates a slow inception of the idea that you must X... and then Y but God forbid don't do Z, ever
Movies, music, art, culture, religion, institutions ---> Nourish the idea

When you come to make a decision. You believe that you have enough information to make a valid choice and not biased one. But all that "information" is not information anymore, it's poison that tastes like gummy bears.

For example:

Society: Eat meat regularly, meat contains protein it's good for you
Society: Proteins are good for you, it's proven by science
Society: Meat can give you cancer
Society: Take heavy radiation to kill cancer
Society: No, Samir Chachoua says that cancer and aids can be killed with alternative treatment to radiation
And then media, corporations, goverment spread the propaganda to the general public (society): This is madness, cancer and aids can only be cured through FDA medicine/treatment (i.e shit that WE declare legal)
Society: Ok but when is game of thrones back on. The Steelers got robbed!! Wtf Myley Cyrus!! That's outrageous.. society is brainwashing us.. Hey halooween, hurrray!!

You are correct to be woken up and pissed. It's no sign of wellness to be acclimated to a sick society. That's what we have but more and more people awaken each day thanks in great part to all the disinfo of big media, corpse-arations, and Bankster elite. We control our decisions but even then, there is research on how significant subconscious/unconsious programming is destroying free will and simple things in society as "asking the right questions" for the progression of the species, the family, etc..doesn't really happen anymore. People are on the wheel too busy

There has been tons of monetary and technological development over the years but little in the corresponding Moral/Spiritual development. That is a major issue and I think your anger resonates around this. Most people worship money if they don't worship god.

Real spiritual development also focuses on reality and finding real objective truth where we can....and not repeating the same dam mistakes over and over as a culture. Elements of the new age/pop culture movement are there to continually insert moral relativity into people so that degradation of a society occurs, so that Good Consumers are continually created. Many fastlaners will love this sorry to say because it ensure they are the producer to prey upon them continually.

There seems to be little money in truth that leads to worldwide change/action, but lots of money in manipulation/marketing, social engineering, pulling the strings on people with desired products, using Money as the tool for such leverage, etc

so that's why in the end you have to focus on yourself and your dreams/goals and hopefully be in alignment with your truth

 

[DayIFly]

Because I am tired to be told to worship homosexuals and transgenders, tired of all the idiotic myths and misconceptions about life and purpose, I am sick and tired of the pretentious and greedy being glorified and voluntary simplicity being ridiculed. I don't F*cking want an app for everything and by the way stop looking at your F*cking cellphone for one second and look at me like I am a human being and not a pop-up on your screen. Stop saying the word hashtag. Stop F*cking improving and updating everything. My message to society is can we just F*cking hit pause for like 2 decades and enjoy what we have? Nooooooooo, we gotta produce, produce, hire, fire, go go go. The spreadsheets, call support! Kim Kardashian is pregnant? Why the F*ck would I care, isn't everyone famous today anyways?

You are on the right track, don't stop searching for the truth. Read about history and philosophy and watch how deep the rabbit hole goes. Don't let this alienate you from your people into total individualism and the search for the next high, the next "awesome experience".

Find people who share your values and create a situation for yourself where the system can't F*ck you over for living your values with inegrity. Entrepreneurship seems like a good fit, I guess

Of course you can't change society, you can't simply will it with brute force. But the pendulum always swings back and when this happens, your opinion will count.

 

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[Newpollz]

There seems to be little money in truth that leads to worldwide change/action, but lots of money in manipulation/marketing, social engineering, pulling the strings on people with desired products, using Money as the tool for such leverage, etc

That's right. They will manipulate you, trick you, deceive you, even for a good cause. Think about the Ice Bucket Challenge, Movember, World Vision, Daily Food Guide, P90X, Flu Vaccine, Boxing Day, Cyber Monday, Black Friday, Earth Day, Clinton Global Intiative, Gates and Zuckerberg who are actually ''giving away'' their money to charities and companies they own. When was the last time a celebrity gave money to a cause that one of his or her relative did not die from?

We are brainwashing you, but hey it's for your own good so chill! Why are you angry? Anger is lame. You should eat. Call double pizza instead and channel that anger with our new meatlovers special. 1 - 800 343 - 0343, double pizza.... yeahhh yeahhh... hmmmm delicious!!!!

 

[Newpollz]

Debating whether or not we have control over our lives is nothing more than mental masturbation--you don't even get the pleasure of an orgasm.

If you're bothered by what's going on in the world, quit analyzing it. Go out and do something that brings actual value to people's lives.

I disagree. Debating or not whether we have control over our lives is one of the first things the great Philosophers did. If Illumination has become synonymous with self-realization and the true self, being regarded as a substantial essence being covered over by social conditioning (to quote Wikipedia). Whether the debate is with oneself or others, I wouldn't go to the Buddha while he is on the verge of illumination and tell him he is only doing mental masturbation. If ignorance is bliss to you that is your perception. By saying ''Go out and do something that brings actual value to people's lives'' is like saying places like this and Reddit don't have their place in the world. I am following my path and I am working on myself, I am not here to seek guidance, I'm here to debate with you guys and learn and become a better person.

 

[Buickestate]

Has society ever been well? It still seems to work fine for the average person. If you found your way here that means you don't fit in society the way average people do. Your choice is to be upset and grow angry as you watch your peers obediently and somewhat contently blend into society , or you can choose to be happy knowing that there is better way to live your own life, and work towards that.

We all have control, we all make choices. both good and bad ones. As we age, I hope that we learn to reduce the number of bad choices we make.

My advice is that you go make one good choice today.

 

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[luniac]

I disagree. Debating or not whether we have control over our lives is one of the first things the great Philosophers did. If Illumination has become synonymous with self-realization and the true self, being regarded as a substantial essence being covered over by social conditioning (to quote Wikipedia). Whether the debate is with oneself or others, I wouldn't go to the Buddha while he is on the verge of illumination and tell him he is only doing mental masturbation. If ignorance is bliss to you that is your perception. By saying ''Go out and do something that brings actual value to people's lives'' is like saying places like this and Reddit don't have their place in the world. I am following my path and I am working on myself, I am not here to seek guidance, I'm here to debate with you guys and learn and become a better person.

What do you want to debate?

 

[Newpollz]

Has society ever been well? It still seems to work fine for the average person. If you found your way here that means you don't fit in society the way average people do. Your choice is to be upset and grow angry as you watch your peers obediently and somewhat contently blend into society , or you can choose to be happy knowing that there is better way to live your own life, and work towards that.

We all have control, we all make choices. both good and bad ones. As we age, I hope that we learn to reduce the number of bad choices we make.

My advice is that you go make one good choice today.

Yes society has been well in the past (from not only my perception but many people). That is why I think it sucks more and more now because everyone wants to become his own God and values, principles, patience, politeness, manners, effort have all become optional. It didn't use to be that way and I can prove it.

Take anything built from the early 1900s and compare it with the same product today. It has been so watered down, led painted, mass produced, assembled by children, refurbished, recertified. That is one of the main reasons why people are seeking antiques, not only because they are rare and bring nostaligia. But because that shit was built to last!

 

[Newpollz]

What do you want to debate?

Well I am already debating that society does have massive influence on us and that it doesn't have to be that way (we can boycott, we can exchange real information as long as we keep fighting censorship, dishonest marketing and so on. I am already doing so with my Fastlane). All you people seem to be telling me is: Hey you need to find your path. Just chill. Don't worry. Ignore society...You can't do nothing. Things have always been like this.

Thanks, really. But that's not debating.

 

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[Jon L]

I disagree. Debating or not whether we have control over our lives is one of the first things the great Philosophers did. If Illumination has become synonymous with self-realization and the true self, being regarded as a substantial essence being covered over by social conditioning (to quote Wikipedia). Whether the debate is with oneself or others, I wouldn't go to the Buddha while he is on the verge of illumination and tell him he is only doing mental masturbation. If ignorance is bliss to you that is your perception. By saying ''Go out and do something that brings actual value to people's lives'' is like saying places like this and Reddit don't have their place in the world. I am following my path and I am working on myself, I am not here to seek guidance, I'm here to debate with you guys and learn and become a better person.

I think I reacted as strongly as I did because I spent years doing what you're doing. Wasted years. Here's the thing. There are a few possible scenarios

We have no control over our lives

We have some control over our lives

We have complete control over our lives

All of these options funnel into a central question: what actually makes for a better life?
The answer is: get out and make stuff happen that improves the lives of those around you.

Whether or not we have control becomes irrelevant. Here's how.

Scenario 1: We have no control.
Getting out and doing stuff that improves the lives of those around you was going to happen anyway. It was what we were predestined to do. We were also predestined to be happy as a result of the work we did

Scenario 2: We have some control
Getting out and doing stuff...was our inclination. Though, we could have chosen to be lazy, following our predetermined path was easier. Because we chose that path we end up happy as a result (and so do countless others)

Scenario 3: We have complete control
Getting out and doing stuff...was our choice. Because we chose that path, we end up happy as a result, and so do countless others.

In each scenario, the common theme is GET OUT AND DO STUFF THAT BENEFITS OTHER PEOPLE. In the end, who really cares if we're just robots acting out a script prepared for us by society?

I can also guarantee you, though, that if you don't get out and do good for people, you'll lead a miserable life.

I tend to think that we have only some control. BUT ... as we exert force against the things that control us, those things start dropping away...but ... only if we go out and do stuff...

 

[Newpollz]

You are only saying whether or not we have control is irrelevant because you live in a country that was recently built on freedom. I am not even American and I question what your founding fathers would say if they would hear you say "whether or not we have control is irrelevant". Go to Crimea and ask them whether or not Russia is in power is not important. Go to Palestine and tell them whether the Zionists are in control or not is irrelevant.

I am not saying you should research politics but saying whether we are in control is irrelevant is forgetting all the blood that was spilled just so we can have the liberty to go on xbox live and insult fifth graders, after a long hard day filling out unemployment forms.

It's like the people that say " I don't care that the NSA is spying on me, I have nothing to hide".... Well, if you are being intimate with your spouse all night and I watch you through the window, and I let you know the next morning that I intend to do the same thing everyday. You really wouldn't care?

 

[Buickestate]

Yes society has been well in the past (from not only my perception but many people). That is why I think it sucks more and more now because everyone wants to become his own God and values, principles, patience, politeness, manners, effort have all become optional. It didn't use to be that way and I can prove it.

Take anything built from the early 1900s and compare it with the same product today. It has been so watered down, led painted, mass produced, assembled by children, refurbished, recertified. That is one of the main reasons why people are seeking antiques, not only because they are rare and bring nostaligia. But because that shit was built to last!

What if most of those degradations in society that you mention are only geographical, as in only in your area? I recently crossed the United states from Port Huron Michigan to Sweet Grass Montana and I can tell you for a fact that the level of degradation in those areas of social functions vary from state to state county to county and city to city. I would much rather move to Billings Montana than to Toronto Ontario base purely on my own observations of the level of societal degradation. Then if you were to travel the globe you will find more variations to societal norms, some will even offend you, and you'll fall in love with others.

What can you, yourself do today in your life that can start to reverse the degradation in society that offends you? Live by your values and principles? be more patient and polite? Paying it forward does work.

I would much rather have a 2016 F150, over and 1916 model t pick up as a daily driver. That said yes there are many products that were better made back then, today many products are built to wear out and break over a period of time so they will need to be replaced. I have a prime example of a quality item built about 100 years ago right in front of me. I'm currently stitching up some automotive seats on a Singer industrial sewing machine who's serial number indicates that it was built in a batch of machines issues to the US army between 1911 and 1930. I had it serviced when I bought it, just needed to be cleaned and oiled along with some minor adjustments. I did change the old original electric motor for a modern motor with electronic speed control so I can slow it down and do detailed work, I'm doing a few car seats a day not a parachute every 30 minutes, and also that I value my ability to hear, that old motor was very loud.

I'm willing to bet you that some part of what you are wearing right now was sewn by a child on a vintage Singer industrial machine or a licensed/knockoff of one

 

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[Red]

Welcome to the Fastlane. Glad you have the fire in your belly.

There are a lot of ways responsibility can be defined. One can be responsible for an action. One can make independent decisions. One can have control of a situation. One can get of of their parent's house and support themselves while making their way in life.

I hope all of your rant is not just hot air, I hope you impress and amaze the world. Show us your version of responsibility. I look forward to it. Good luck.

OMG OMG OMG OMG YOU'RE BACK

*SQUEEEEEEEEEEE*************


And, OP, to your post, this is the way it has always been. "Society" has always previously been set up to facilitate the survival of the most people in the best way possible. Now that we've evolved to a point where survival is no longer the primary objective (in this country, at least, we're lucky), it's up to YOU to figure out what you want & pursue that. You can complain about what you were taught/brought up with or you can be grateful that you're born in a place that allows you time/safety to make such pontificates instead of having to avoid RPG's on your walk to the grocery store.

 

[DayIFly]

I don't mean this to be political, I rather talk from the psychological point of view.

This is a micro vs macro viewpoint problem. It's a dichotomy even though the latter is built up from the former.

"Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come" - Carl Sandburg
This would solve the issue, but it obviously won't happen.

Normal people hate warfare.
If an individual has to go to war but doesn't want to, then he can expect disciplinary measures.
If everybody in both armies says that, then there is not enough staff to enforce the war.

But nobody does it because of fear of disciplinary measures. Or because everybody knows that nobody will stand with them if they speak their minds. Or because most are programmed by society that we have to do it for the greater good.

I thought about this for a while and I came up with a though experiment:
Let's assume that there is a topic that people understand and they like it, but it is going to be changed in a week. So people can naturally engange in a peaceful demonstration. But then they think "What will my neighbours/boss/friends think of me?" And the boss thinks "I have responsibilities, what will my employees/customers think of me?"

Now a couple of benevolent billionaires produce a device for everybody. This device has a screen where you can read certain messages. Then at one point this device rings and shows "We have to go to the peaceful demonstration about X". Then every 3 minutes a new message appears:

"Step One: Go to the door."
...
"Step Two: Go outside on the street."
...
"Step Three: Look around, see all the people? Join them, you are not alone."
...

So this would be a careful low-risk low-investment approach with a feedback loop that would prevent people from a disgraceful social fall and mockery. You are not alone on the street? Well, look at you, you aren't nuts after all!


But we don't have such a device. So after some time all this dissatisfaction builds up and it only takes one influential person to let it out.

Prime-time example: Trump
He never apologises like the rest, but is popular nevertheless. Everybody is tired of the whole PC thing.

Another example: Nobody in Europe wants to let millions of refugees in. But our governments don't listen and do it anyway. And then everybody wonders why the conservative and right-wing parties are on the rise.

 

[Newpollz]

 

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[luniac]

Well I am already debating that society does have massive influence on us and that it doesn't have to be that way (we can boycott, we can exchange real information as long as we keep fighting censorship, dishonest marketing and so on. I am already doing so with my Fastlane). All you people seem to be telling me is: Hey you need to find your path. Just chill. Don't worry. Ignore society...You can't do nothing. Things have always been like this.

Thanks, really. But that's not debating.

I will argue that you should do nothing because you can't do anything about it.
How are you gonna make a difference, you can't make someone do something they don't really want to do.
It's always been this way but it's just so much more apparent now thanks to modern technology connecting the world together 24/7.

Most of the first world lives very mundane lives and are too comfortable to do anything risky. They have all the resources they need to change their lives just like we do but choose not to use them. I'm much more concerned about people in the third world, especially children, who don't even have a shot at a fair life.

Sure it doesn't help that the food we're sold and the water we drink are all doped up with fluoride, GMOs, sugar, etc which is designed to weaken our minds, but that's just how it is now, you're either strong enough or you're not. What if you haven't been breast fed, what if you were on drugs your first year of life, what if you've been exposed to lead as a child. There are so many cases where you can do regular work but you just don't have the mental ability to demand more of life, but i guess these people are not part the "game" of life, they're early casualties.

And of course there's always just lazy bums, morons, people who don't know wtf "philosophy" even is, just dumbass people. Wtf you gonna do about them, nothing, let it be, focus on your own life, it's short enough as it is and time fliesssss fast man it flies fast!!!

 

[Mineralogic]

Has society ever been well? It still seems to work fine for the average person. If you found your way here that means you don't fit in society the way average people do. Your choice is to be upset and grow angry as you watch your peers obediently and somewhat contently blend into society , or you can choose to be happy knowing that there is better way to live your own life, and work towards that.

We all have control, we all make choices. both good and bad ones. As we age, I hope that we learn to reduce the number of bad choices we make.

My advice is that you go make one good choice today.

that's the point of some of the anger here of the philosophers. If you are given RED PILL AND BLUE PILL as options, and you freely decide RED over Blue, is that a real choice? It's a decision. We have power to decide and evaluate. Pull back the curtain even wider and you see what you thought was real free-will choice was pre-programmed options overlayed onto and within the same system( with similiar results) as before

in 2016 as it was in 1916 and 1716 or 1016, your choices are still within the same board game for the most part.

 

[germandude]

Guys I recommend you to watch Black Mirror episode 2. I don't watch tv normally, but this show It sends a deep message.

 

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[luniac]

that's the point of some of the anger here of the philosophers. If you are given RED PILL AND BLUE PILL as options, and you freely decide RED over Blue, is that a real choice? It's a decision. We have power to decide and evaluate. Pull back the curtain even wider and you see what you thought was real free-will choice was pre-programmed options overlayed onto and within the same system( with similiar results) as before

in 2016 as it was in 1916 and 1716 or 1016, your choices are still within the same board game for the most part.

is there a third pill?

 

[Buickestate]

is there a third pill?

Thankfully there are many pills, in all colours and sizes, some are hard to swallow, others you don't take orally....

 

[luniac]

Thankfully there are many pills, in all colours and sizes, some are hard to swallow, others you don't take orally....

lol i didn't mean literal pills.

 

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[Buickestate]

that's the point of some of the anger here of the philosophers.

Aren't philosophers just mentally masterbating brains floating in a clouded jar?

 

[Buickestate]

lol i didn't mean literal pills.

Nor did I.

As we learn the ropes of the fast lane, we make our own pills.

 

[luniac]

Nor did I.

As we learn the ropes of the fast lane, we make our own pills.

i like the red pill, seems to encapsulate the things i like. What kind of new pill stuff r u talking about that doesn't go into the red pill?

 

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[Travis.I]

I'm 18 years old and I before I knew about the Fastlane I was living a Sidewalker's life with a Slow Laner's mindset. It's the way I knew, it's the only way anybody had told me to go. Unfortunately, it's the way society tells all young people to go. I think society has tainted our (us youngins) definition of responsibility. I've noticed many other people like me, my friends, my peers in school, we define responsibility as having a career, paying bills, and having a mortgage. Society has taught us to believe that true responsibility was to wait until we were older and more "educated". When we're young, people doubt our abilities and tell us we're not "mature" enough to "understand" and eventually we let them convince us. And we wait for responsibility. We wait for life to come to us. Just like everyone else. We wait for our designated, predestined time to shine. It's time for society to stop suppressing all the different meanings of responsibility. Let us define our responsibility, and support it.

You do know we need slowlaners in society. Not everyone can be an entrepreneur.

Be happy you are one of younger people of our age group to notice this opportunity to go a different path.

Well, sure everyone can. But economically, that isn't good. I don't know who was doing this, but I remember hearing about a person that was "rich" who spent some time going onto online forums giving people wrong information to fail merely so he wouldn't have competition. Not confident in that story at all because I don't remember where I heard this source of information.

 

[Javier Avalos]

"we spend the first half of our lives TOO YOUNG, and the second half of our lives TOO OLD"
a certain "call to action" needs to happen for old belief systems to not only be challenged but broken.

 

[Buickestate]

i like the red pill, seems to encapsulate the things i like. What kind of new pill stuff r u talking about that doesn't go into the red pill?

The red pill is about embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality. Being aware of the harsh reality out there is eye opening, more often though, it can be overwhelming, some people just can't cope with it. It's information overload, they begin to stagnate and fester as they try to process realities. There is a whole industry based on helping people cope with the harshness of reality. The red pill is not for everyone. Sadly most who have taken the red pill just sit there festering, content to be upset with everything and themselves while doing nothing to help.

The red pill only opens your mind to the realities. It allows you to see things as they are. Once seen you can never go back, you can only go forward, or stop. The red pill doesn't give you the tools you'll need to move forward, just the vision of what is.

"The new kind of pill stuff" is what comes after the red pill leaves you in the "Now What?" frame of mind. They are the pills that will kick your a$$ and make you see what can be and how to get there. They are education and motivation, they are tools that will help you create a new and better reality.

Some might argue that MJ's book is the Red Pill, I would argue that the Red Pill is what brought us to MJ's book.

 

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[Mineralogic]

Aren't philosophers just mentally masterbating brains floating in a clouded jar?

No, they are some of the real forces helping to guide and lead mankind for 1000's of years especially during the dark times.

Many of us are born knowing we are not just biological machines.

 

[Daniel Hickey]

I keep seeing the phrase "help others" or "bring value to someone else's life" aren't we just coating the cold hard truth? We aren't "helping others" by feeding them the luxurious food they want. We can create a product that stops all of the toppings from my deluxe burger from falling out, and people will buy it, but we're not helping them... we're not bringing value to their lives. We are simply taking advantage of their non Fast-Lane mindset. Which is completely OK, you do what you gotta do to get rich. However, we are not helping these people.

MJ said in his book that we can't focus on the symptoms, we need to focus on the root problem that is causing the symptoms. We are where we are today (or heading in the direction we are) because we already decided to focus on the problem, so we no longer have to suffer the symptoms. The problem is the person, the symptom is their want for the deluxe burger holder. The only way to make money, is to take advantage of people's symptoms. It's why a doctor immediately goes to the prescription sheet - he makes more money with the symptoms he's controlling, rather than if he fixed the problem. And why shouldn't he? If he's benefiting so much, and his patients are convinced he's actually helping, then power to him! Take advantage of them! Take advantage of their unwillingness to focus on the problem.

But do not kid yourself into thinking we are helping them.