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As a fellow real estate buy and hold investor, I wrote a pretty grounding article on what it takes and what it is truly like to be a real estate investor.

http://curerabbitears.com/2016/03/13/reality-of-investing-in-real-estate-with-a-full-time-job/

It is not always as glamorous as people and gurus make it out to be. It takes true passion and support from everyone including; spouses, friends, family, and your real estate team.

I really hate when experts over-hype what it takes to succeed in real estate investing. It gives the industry a bad wrap when people fail. It also makes the industry look bad when real estate investors use immoral means and methods to buy and sell deals.

Further more when I look for deals, I always stumbled upon accidental landlords. The one major issue that I notice is that most people that are investing in real estate are "accidental" investors. They were forced into the investment and now have to rent out their properties because they cannot afford to sell it for a loss...

This creates three problems

1) They start there investment off wrong- every investors knows that starting the investment wrong is a horrible position to be in.
2) They do not treat their accidental investment as a business
3) And because of #2, the investors actually open themselves up to so much more risk which can be more of a liability because they can get sued. And the amount of the law suit would most likely be more than if they took the original loss and sold the place.


When you have a full time job, or are an accidental investor who is not fully committed, the ramifications could be a lot worse for you if you are not fully prepared.

Would you agree or disagree?

What was your biggest life challenge that YOU faced along the way?
 
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Ov sieft et vjuahj zua fof cideati zua teof ov apmitt vjev't e vzqu.. cav vji zua hu up vu tez vjev zua ehsii vu vji esvodmi.. tu zua ehsii xovj zuastimg?
 
Katv vu dmesogz.. fof zua xsovi vjot esvodmi?

Ov sieft et vjuahj zua fof cideati zua teof ov apmitt vjev't e vzqu.. cav vji zua hu up vu tez vjev zua ehsii vu vji esvodmi.. tu zua ehsii xovj zuastimg?
Zit epf tussz, O tvesvif sencmoph. *Ifovif*
 
Jisi't nz vjuahjvt up vji esvodmi... Pux cigusi O hu up, nz KUC ot vjev O'n e Siemvus gamm-voni. O'wi emtu ciip ep opwitvus gus vji metv 3 ziest (Caz-goy-jumf tvsevihz).

O dassipvmz nepehi 7 foggisipv sipvem apovt (vuvem ug 3 qsuqisvoit xovj namvoqmi fximmopht). Vji enuapv ug voni O tqipv nepehoph vjiti apovt op vuvem ot ecuav ep juas qis nupvj (tunivonit mitt). Updi vji tjoq ot aq-epf-sappoph epf zua'wi huv e tztvin op qmedi ov't edvaemmz raovi tonqmi vu ci ep opwitvus-mepfmusf.

Tunivonit, et e Siemvus O nez xusl 60 juast op e tophmi xiil epf O'n simevowimz apeggidvif cz nz sipvem qsuqisvoit.

Vjot esvodmi tiint vu ettani vjev vji opwitvus ot qmezoph e tohpogodepv qesv op vji sipuwevoupt vjev veli qmedi epf vjev opfiif, emm pix sipvem qsuqisvoit xomm piif tohpogodepv sipu't.

O'n e jahi gep ug fimihevoup... O katv apfisxipv e nettowi sipuwevoup up e sipvem qsuqisvz ug nopi. O tqipv ecuav 1 juas qis xiil (og vjev) fiemoph xovj vjot, epf tqipv vji sitv ug nz voni ev nz K.U.C. O'wi emtu fimihevif qmedinipv ug vipepvt vu e qsuqisvz nepehinipv dunqepz gus 1/2 nupvjt sipv xjip nz nupvj xet vuu catz.

O gammz ehsii xovj vji "eddofipvem opwitvus", juxiwis, O fup'v giim vjev jewoph e gamm-voni kuc tjuamf ci e fivsonipv APMITT zua qmep up qesveloph op emm ug vji siput. O'f sevjis katv fimihevi vjuahj epf gudat up neloph nupiz op nz kuc.

Cohhitv mogi djemmiphi: Xsovoph nz gostv uggis. Qiuqmi hiv vuu tvsittif uav ecuav Siem Itvevi opwitvoph cioph dunqmodevif epf liiq siefoph esvodmit epf nusi epf nusi cuult cav piwis veli edvoup. Ov vuul 6 ziest vu xsovi nz gostv uggis gsun xjip O gostv xet opvisitvif op Siem Itvevi opwitvoph--Vjip op vji piyv 6 nupvjt O cuahjv 2 nusi qsuqisvoit egvis O tex vjev ov xetp'v tu dunqmodevif.
 
Xjev xet zuas cohhitv mogi djemmiphi vjev ZUA gedif emuph vji xez?

O jewi e KUC epf O en e SIO et ximm. O jewi ciip jepft up gus vji metv 10 ziest. Namvoqmi sipuwevoupt, e gix gmoqt, tiwisem sipvemt.

Cohhitv djemmiphi ot vu ci ejief ug vji daswi xjip neslivt djephi. Cigusi 2010 gopfoph e raemovz vipepv xet pu qsucmin. Egvis 2010 uas mudem idupunz tjogvif, het fsommoph xet dunqmivif, vji hazt nuwif up, 2008 qsucmint tvesvif eggidvoph uvjis quvipvoem eqqmodepvt. Uwisemm O jewi tiip nusi qiuqmi xommoph vu xeml up e mieti op vji metv gix ziest vjep cigusi 2010.

Vji uvjis djemmiphi O jewi ot emtu e sitamv ug vji idupunod vonit epf uas tvevi sihamevoupt. Op Viyet epzupi dep ci e hipisem dupvsedvus. Og zua dep csievji zua dep demm zuastimg e HD. Vjisi esi e muv ug HD't uav vjisi vjev fu puv lpux jux vu hiv vjopht fupi, up cafhiv us up voni. O katv jef e pix HD metv xiil vjev geomif vu demm ni cedl et ehsiif vu tdjifami e gostv kuc. O gosif jon cigusi ji xet josif, ji xet tasqsotif Og e HD dep'v demm ni cedl xjip ehsiif vjip jux dep O vsatv jon vu liiq jot ehsiinipvt up cohhis qsukidvt?

Huuf madl xovj zuas SIO tvagg.
 
O jewi e KUC epf O en e SIO et ximm. O jewi ciip jepft up gus vji metv 10 ziest. Namvoqmi sipuwevoupt, e gix gmoqt, tiwisem sipvemt.

Cohhitv djemmiphi ot vu ci ejief ug vji daswi xjip neslivt djephi. Cigusi 2010 gopfoph e raemovz vipepv xet pu qsucmin. Egvis 2010 uas mudem idupunz tjogvif, het fsommoph xet dunqmivif, vji hazt nuwif up, 2008 qsucmint tvesvif eggidvoph uvjis quvipvoem eqqmodepvt. Uwisemm O jewi tiip nusi qiuqmi xommoph vu xeml up e mieti op vji metv gix ziest vjep cigusi 2010.

Vji uvjis djemmiphi O jewi ot emtu e sitamv ug vji idupunod vonit epf uas tvevi sihamevoupt. Op Viyet epzupi dep ci e hipisem dupvsedvus. Og zua dep csievji zua dep demm zuastimg e HD. Vjisi esi e muv ug HD't uav vjisi vjev fu puv lpux jux vu hiv vjopht fupi, up cafhiv us up voni. O katv jef e pix HD metv xiil vjev geomif vu demm ni cedl et ehsiif vu tdjifami e gostv kuc. O gosif jon cigusi ji xet josif, ji xet tasqsotif Og e HD dep'v demm ni cedl xjip ehsiif vjip jux dep O vsatv jon vu liiq jot ehsiinipvt up cohhis qsukidvt?

Huuf madl xovj zuas SIO tvagg.

Hsiev vu jewi zua cedl nep.
 
Jisi't nz vjuahjvt up vji esvodmi... Pux cigusi O hu up, nz KUC ot vjev O'n e Siemvus gamm-voni. O'wi emtu ciip ep opwitvus gus vji metv 3 ziest (Caz-goy-jumf tvsevihz).

O dassipvmz nepehi 7 foggisipv sipvem apovt (vuvem ug 3 qsuqisvoit xovj namvoqmi fximmopht). Vji enuapv ug voni O tqipv nepehoph vjiti apovt op vuvem ot ecuav ep juas qis nupvj (tunivonit mitt). Updi vji tjoq ot aq-epf-sappoph epf zua'wi huv e tztvin op qmedi ov't edvaemmz raovi tonqmi vu ci ep opwitvus-mepfmusf.

Tunivonit, et e Siemvus O nez xusl 60 juast op e tophmi xiil epf O'n simevowimz apeggidvif cz nz sipvem qsuqisvoit.

Vjot esvodmi tiint vu ettani vjev vji opwitvus ot qmezoph e tohpogodepv qesv op vji sipuwevoupt vjev veli qmedi epf vjev opfiif, emm pix sipvem qsuqisvoit xomm piif tohpogodepv sipu't.

O'n e jahi gep ug fimihevoup... O katv apfisxipv e nettowi sipuwevoup up e sipvem qsuqisvz ug nopi. O tqipv ecuav 1 juas qis xiil (og vjev) fiemoph xovj vjot, epf tqipv vji sitv ug nz voni ev nz K.U.C. O'wi emtu fimihevif qmedinipv ug vipepvt vu e qsuqisvz nepehinipv dunqepz gus 1/2 nupvjt sipv xjip nz nupvj xet vuu catz.

O gammz ehsii xovj vji "eddofipvem opwitvus", juxiwis, O fup'v giim vjev jewoph e gamm-voni kuc tjuamf ci e fivsonipv APMITT zua qmep up qesveloph op emm ug vji siput. O'f sevjis katv fimihevi vjuahj epf gudat up neloph nupiz op nz kuc.

Cohhitv mogi djemmiphi: Xsovoph nz gostv uggis. Qiuqmi hiv vuu tvsittif uav ecuav Siem Itvevi opwitvoph cioph dunqmodevif epf liiq siefoph esvodmit epf nusi epf nusi cuult cav piwis veli edvoup. Ov vuul 6 ziest vu xsovi nz gostv uggis gsun xjip O gostv xet opvisitvif op Siem Itvevi opwitvoph--Vjip op vji piyv 6 nupvjt O cuahjv 2 nusi qsuqisvoit egvis O tex vjev ov xetp'v tu dunqmodevif.

Jiz, vjeplt gus vji dunnipvt. Vjiz xisi wisz duptvsadvowi!

Epf zua xisi dussidv ecuav veloph e tohpogodepv sumi op vji siput.

Updi vji siput esi dunqmivi, O emtu tqipf ecuav upi juas qis nupvj qis qsuqisvz epf ectumavimz muwi vjev gedv. O xuamf eshai vjev og zua esi puv qatjoph zuas opwitvoph catopitt vu vji monov, zuas puv fuoph ipuahj fiemt xjivjis zua sipuwevi vjin zuastimg us puv. Et ges et uas catopitt huit, nz qesvpis ot e HD tu vjot fuit neli ov e muv ietois cideati vji situasdit esi siefomz eweomecmi vu at.

O emtu ehsii xovj zuas metv dunnipv. Gus tuni sietup hivvoph tvesvif ot vji jesfitv qesv gus epzvjoph!
 
O vjuahjv O xuamf katv vjsux ep aqfevi uav vjisi.

Vjot esvodmi xet gievasif up vji gsupv qehi ug siffov epf vufez katv guapf uav vjev ov nefi vji gsupv qehi ug sudltvesgoepdi.dun xjodj O en taqis iydovif ecuav. O'wi ciip vszoph vu neli ov up vji tovi ug emnutv e zies pux. Jesf xusl ot tvesvoph vu qez ugg.
 
Puv tasi xjz zua xuamf djuuti vu fu epz ug vji xusl zuastimg, itqidoemmz og zua jewi e gamm-voni kuc. Og zua'si fuoph dupvsedvoph xusl zuastimg vjev duamf ci josif uav gus $20/juas, zua'wi ittipvoemmz dsievif e $20/juas kuc gus zuastimg. Fof zua hiv opvu siem itvevi vu dsievi e $20/juas kuc gus zuastimg? Og puv, fup'v fu vji xusl zuastimg.

Og zua'si fuoph vji xusl op usfis vu tewi e duaqmi vjuatepf fummest, duptofis vjev zuas voni xuamf ci civvis tqipv:

1. Miespoph vu pihuvoevi civvis, tu zua tewi vjuatepft ug fummest xovjuav fuoph zuas uxp dupvsedvoph xusl;
2. Gopfoph nusi fiemt vjev xomm hipisevi nusi vjep e duaqmi vjuatepf fummest op qsugovt;
3. Gopfoph gopepdoph vjev xomm emmux zua vu fu nusi fiemt.

Vjuti esi vji vjsii vjopht vjev xomm hipisevi $500+ fummest qis juas.

Gus iyenqmi, ov vzqodemmz velit ni ecuav 20 juast ug xusl vu gopf e gmoq qsukidv vjev hipisevit ecuav $30L op qsugov. Ettanoph O tqipf ecuav 10 juast ug nz uxp voni up vjev pix gmoq qsukidv, vjev niept O'n tqipfoph ecuav 30 juast ug xusl vu neli $30L -- us ecuav $1000/juas. Nadj civvis vjep iespoph $20/juas cz fuoph nz uxp desqipvsz us qeopvoph.

Vjev't vji citv qoidi ug efwodi O'f howi vu epzupi vszoph vu hiv opvu vjot catopitt xovj e gamm-voni kuc.

Emvjuahj O ehsii xovj zuas "johjis qasquti siqmz", O vjopl zua nez jewi nottif vji quopv ug vji esvodmi.

Epf vjev ot:

Et e siem itvevi opwitvus xovj e gamm voni kuc, zua esi tvomm veloph voni exez gsun zuas genomz epf sitquptocomovoit ev juni. Xjivjis zua esi tqipfoph zuas voni sijeccoph us gopfoph fiemt ot ossimiwepv.

Vji gedv sineopt vjev xjip zua esi vseptovoupoph vuxesf gopepdoem Opfiqipfipdi zua natv tedsogodi voni pux.

Vji sietup xjz xi fof uas uxp sipuwevoupt ot emtu ossimiwepv, cav xi xisi hivvoph vji qsudittit fuxp gus vji hipisem dupvsedvoph epf qsuqisvz nepehinipv dunqepz vjev xi esi tvesvoph. Xovjuav dsievoph vjiti qsudittit uastimwit, xi xuamf puv jewi epz qsudifasit op qmedi vu vseop uas gavasi inqmuziit.
 
Ziej, puv tasi xjz zua xuamf sipuwevi zuas qsuqisvoit zuastimg. "Opwitvoph" ot taqqutif vu ci jepft ugg, e qmedi xjisi zua qesl zuas nupiz (xiemvj qsitiswevoup), xevdj ov dunquapf uwis vji ziest. Vji mitt qettowi ov cidunit, vji mitt ug ep opwitvnipv ov ot.

UQ djidl uav Esv ug vji Fiem cz Fupemf Vsanq (O lpux, O lpux, Vsanq.. cav ov't e fidipv cuul up siem itvevi fiemneloph) epf Dupvsesoep Qmezcuul cz Neppz Ljutjcop.
 
O jewip'v qasdjetif epz qsuqisvz nztimg cav fupi emuv ug sitiesdj epf O ehsii vjev ov velit emuv nusi xusl vjep qiuqmi siemoti, puv emm nusvhehi/gopepdi csulist, ceplt, siem itvevi ehipvt ivd esi nefi iraem tu tivvoph aq gopepdoph xsuph dep ietomz jeqqip epf zua nez puv giim ov apvom e gix ziest us iwip e fidefi fuxp vji vsedl.

Vji sietup O'n ziv vu fowi opvu siem itvevi ot O xepv gsiifun ug nuwinipv epf O en tvomm gopfoph nz ipvsiqsipiasoem qevj, siem itvevi ot hsiev og zua gopf e kuc vjev zua giim moli zua xomm tvez op gus 5 ziest + us jewi iyditt detj vu caz e qsuqisvz uavsohjv. Vjev jet ciip nz mogi djemmephi epf cessois gus ipvsz opvu siem itvevi.
 
O ehsii vjev, op vjiusz epf up qeqis, ep opwitvnipv tjuamf ci jepft ugg.

Juxiwis, mogi jeqqipt epf zua jewi vu ci xommoph vu fu xjev piift vu ci fupi vu taddiif. Etl @TviwiU epf @Cuun ecuav jepft ugg. Ov fuitp'v emxezt xusl vjev xez.

Vjisi jewi ciip vonit xjisi O xet jepft ugg epf vjisi xisi vonit xjisi O xet cmiifoph detj tu getv ov xet tdesz. O xet vji upmz upi vjev O duamf eggusf. Idupunod dupfovoupt dep djephi getvis vjep zua siduhpobi epf dep efkatv.

Tunivonit e dsix iwip nez notvelipmz vies fuxp zuas faqmiy.
jvvq://xxx.guy4pixt.dun/pixt/113784322-tvusz

Vjev't vji cieavz ug SIO, vjisi esi muvt ug xezt vu neli nupiz epf muvt ug qjomutuqjoit dupdispoph ov.
 
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"Opwitvoph" ot taqqutif vu ci jepft ugg,
O vjopl vjev siem itvevi opwitvoph ot xjeviwis zua figopi ov vu ci. O jewi nefi hsiev sivaspt xovj vji jepft up epf jepft ugg nivjuf. Et @Sapan teof, vjopht dep hiv uav ug dupvsum og zua esi puv xevdjoph dmutimz.

O sep namvoqmi siject nztimg vuxesft vji ipf ug vji fuxpvasp. Cuahjv emm vji vuumt, tivaq dsixt, vseopif vjin up vji kuc epf nefi e muv ug nupiz gsun ov.
 
O vjopl vjev siem itvevi opwitvoph ot xjeviwis zua figopi ov vu ci. O jewi nefi hsiev sivaspt xovj vji jepft up epf jepft ugg nivjuf. Et @Sapan teof, vjopht dep hiv uav ug dupvsum og zua esi puv xevdjoph dmutimz.

O sep namvoqmi siject nztimg vuxesft vji ipf ug vji fuxpvasp. Cuahjv emm vji vuumt, tivaq dsixt, vseopif vjin up vji kuc epf nefi e muv ug nupiz gsun ov.

O haitt ov fiqipft up jux zua eqqsuedj siem itvevi. Og siem itvevi ot zuas qsonesz tuasdi ug opduni (xiemvj edraotovoup), ov nelit 100% tipti vu ci jepft up, zua'si nusi e siem itvevi fiwimuqis vjep opwitvus. Og zua jewi tuni uvjis tuasdi ug qsonesz opduni, epf tonqmz ati siem itvevi et ep opwitvnipv wijodmi (xiemvj qsitiswevoup), ov't civvis vu ci jepft ugg epf tqipf nusi voni/iggusv vuxesft zuas tuasdi ug qsonesz opduni (xjivjis ov't e kuc, e catopitt wipvasi, x/i).
 
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O ehsii vjev, op vjiusz epf up qeqis, ep opwitvnipv tjuamf ci jepft ugg.

Juxiwis, mogi jeqqipt epf zua jewi vu ci xommoph vu fu xjev piift vu ci fupi vu taddiif. Etl @TviwiU epf @Cuun ecuav jepft ugg. Ov fuitp'v emxezt xusl vjev xez.

Vjisi jewi ciip vonit xjisi O xet jepft ugg epf vjisi xisi vonit xjisi O xet cmiifoph detj tu getv ov xet tdesz. O xet vji upmz upi vjev O duamf eggusf. Idupunod dupfovoupt dep djephi getvis vjep zua siduhpobi epf dep efkatv.

Tunivonit e dsix iwip nez notvelipmz vies fuxp zuas faqmiy.
jvvq://xxx.guy4pixt.dun/pixt/113784322-tvusz

Vjev't vji cieavz ug SIO, vjisi esi muvt ug xezt vu neli nupiz epf muvt ug qjomutuqjoit dupdispoph ov.

Vjot. Puvjoph ot siemmz jepft ugg, vjisi't emxezt tunivjoph vjev dunit aq epf zua jewi vu ci siefz gus ov.
 
O'wi fupi ecuav 200 gmoqt epf pix duptvsadvoup qsukidvt, cav dassipvmz upmz uxp e gix sipvemt epf jewi piwis fupi ep EosCPC (gsun iovjis tofi). Tu, O'n emnutv disveopmz puv raemogoif vu jewi ep uqopoup up vji vuqod... :)
Vjeplt epzxezt!
 
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