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POLL: Side effects from recent vaxcination? Or none?

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What is your VAX status and the outcome?

  • Got VAXed, no side effects whatsoever.

    Votes: 54 20.7%
  • Got VAXed, minimal side effects, I'm good now.

    Votes: 67 25.7%
  • Got VAXed, experiencing concerning side effects

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Got VAXed, experiencing bad side effects

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Got VAXed, eperiencing new health issues, not sure if related to VAX

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (0-3 months)

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (3-12 months)

    Votes: 5 1.9%
  • Not VAXed, but plan to eventually (1 year +)

    Votes: 6 2.3%
  • Not VAXed, don't plan on it.

    Votes: 120 46.0%

  • Total voters
    261

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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 30971" data-quote="The Racing Driver" data-source="post: 964754" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=964754" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-964754">The Racing Driver said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You&#039;re not the only one waiting for a more traditional jab like the Novavax.<br /> <br /> I&#039;ve been on the fence of getting one of the available mRNA jabs, because being unvaxinated in Europe is like being relegated to a 2nd class citizen. You have to do more tests to live a &quot;normal&quot; life and even quarantine in some countries if you travel. It makes no sense as jabbed people can just as easily carry the virus.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m hoping the Novavax gets authorised soon, I&#039;ve seen many others online say they&#039;re waiting for this one. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You are not kidding. Here in Europe it&#039;s pretty thick in getting the vaccine and the apps to get checked in to go places. I won&#039;t rant !</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/f174737f-accd-467c-a155-80ee5381b49a-webp.40156/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/36/36786-f357daba6d101b420d82990883e437e2.jpg?hash=Qtk_2ycLD_" class="bbImage " style="" alt="F174737F-ACCD-467C-A155-80EE5381B49A.webp" title="F174737F-ACCD-467C-A155-80EE5381B49A.webp" width="200" height="216" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> Someone sent me this earlier.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 4862" data-quote="Kak" data-source="post: 966023" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966023" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966023">Kak said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/40156/" target="_blank">View attachment 40156</a><br /> Someone sent me this earlier. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Looks like fake news click-bait stuff. Not that if it were truth, it would not surprise me.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 963164" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=963164" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-963164">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Great to see that everyone who was VAXd has reported little to no complications. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah, the real test will be to see how long until they round up all the non-compliers and force into concentration camps.<br /> <br /> Or develop another virus (or man-made variant) that is 10 times stronger to off all the other side...<br /> <br /> Far-fetched?<br /> <br /> IDK, if you turn on the news you have mainstream talking heads suggesting that those who refused the VAX and got sick should basically just die.<br /> <br /> No, they don&#039;t care about if you live or not. Doesn&#039;t exactly instill confidence.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 1" data-quote="MJ DeMarco" data-source="post: 966073" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966073" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966073">MJ DeMarco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Looks like fake news click-bait stuff. Not that if it were truth, it would not surprise me. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Probably. Thus my response.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a> I zoned out a little when I was reading, so I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve already done this, but have you seen a chiropractor? You could &quot;have a rib out&quot;. Ribs can go out of alignment, and this can cause pain in the chest and back, and also nerve pain down the arm. My husband went through a similar experience at one time where he went to the ER for chest pain and then the chiropractor fixed it the next week in one visit.</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 91038" data-quote="Dirtymaco" data-source="post: 961007" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=961007" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-961007">Dirtymaco said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> 3. Getting a shot was a great choice. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I actually can&#039;t F*cking believe I&#039;m reading this.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 51887" data-quote="Matt Sun" data-source="post: 965921" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=965921" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-965921">Matt Sun said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I don&#039;t know man, just listen to the experts... Like Dr. Malone, the creator of the mRNA vax tech<br /> <br /> <div> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd </a> </div> <br /> <br /> &quot;Dr. Malone has close to 100 peer-reviewed publications and published abstracts and has over 11,477 citations of his peer reviewed publications, as verified by Google Scholar.&quot;<br /> <br /> <div><a href="https://twitter.com/NiceDeb/status/1441532707914145795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1441532707914145795%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&amp;ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Famgreatness.com%2F2021%2F09%2F24%2Fover-3000-doctors-and-scientists-sign-declaration-accusing-C0VlD-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity%2F" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">https://twitter.com/NiceDeb/status/...VlD-policy-makers-of-crimes-against-humanity/</a></div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I know and read what Robert Malone has to say about mandates and ghosting alternative solutions. All important points.<br /> <br /> I still don&#039;t know what all this has to do with side effects of vaccines.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m against coercion, vaxx status segregation, politicizing clinical research, medicine and health care.<br /> <br /> But I wouldn&#039;t demonise vaccines to prove my point. Whether they cause unacceptable side effects is a separate issue.<br /> <br /> So do they? I don&#039;t see the doom and gloom in the numbers. I don&#039;t see it in the anecdotal evidence around me from vaxinated family and friends either. In addition, I work with all sorts of professionals involved in this in my day job (doctors, nurses, big pharma scientists, university researchers, regulators, auditors etc.). Loads of people pretty cautious and careful, wanting to make sure no harm is done and vaccines they recommend are safe. Call me pro-vaxx if you will.<br /> <br /> But I&#039;m still against many things, political and social, that are linked to vaccines. Two separate spheres.<br /> <br /> For example, this is an interesting voice:<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/screenshot_20210929-164144_linkedin-webp.40163/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/36/36793-15800be973a3b61443a47d8feeee400c.jpg?hash=2bB1AhxPQr" class="bbImage " style="" alt="Screenshot_20210929-164144_LinkedIn.jpg" title="Screenshot_20210929-164144_LinkedIn.jpg" width="200" height="419" loading="lazy" /></a><br /> <br /> On VAERS. Adverse events are reported independently of the subjective vaccination label. You just say you had a shot within X days/on X date. That&#039;s why we know if something happens after one dose. Your previous VAERS quote is a play on semantics and a mismatch between who is considered fully vaxinated vs. if the injection status is included in VAERS (it is).</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">I’ve had the Johnson vaccine. One dose in may. Best decision ever. Ive been having the summer of my life since then and wouldn’t take my decision back.<br /> <br /> The riskiest vaccine was Astra and even it was 1 in 165.000 (based on german and English statistics)<br /> <br /> The risk of your flight crashing is about 1 in 180 millions. For comparison.<br /> <br /> My mom, who is 62 and who was suffering chronically from anemia because of psychological reasons, got not 2, not 3 but 4 shots. In Turkey, they used the Chinese vaccine, she got two Sinovac shots. Then she got one booster shot from Pfizer and one shot to be able to visit me in Germany. (Because eu doesn’t recognise Chinese shots)<br /> <br /> We went to Austrian alps a month ago and she drove 200 km with me every day and she hiked every day at least 5 km. After 4 shots. This is a woman in 60s with malnutrition.<br /> <br /> For all anti vaccine people here.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 44719" data-quote="ygtrhos" data-source="post: 966135" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966135" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966135">ygtrhos said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I’ve had the Johnson VAXClNE. One dose in may. Best decision ever. Ive been having the summer of my life since then and wouldn’t take my decision back.<br /> <br /> The riskiest VAXClNE was Astra and even it was 1 in 165.000 (based on german and English statistics)<br /> <br /> The risk of your flight crashing is about 1 in 180 millions. For comparison.<br /> <br /> My mom, who is 62 and who was suffering chronically from anemia because of psychological reasons, got not 2, not 3 but 4 shots. In Turkey, they used the Chinese VAXClNE, she got two Sinovac shots. Then she got one booster shot from Pfizer and one shot to be able to visit me in Germany. (Because eu doesn’t recognise Chinese shots)<br /> <br /> We went to Austrian alps a month ago and she drove 200 km with me every day and she hiked every day at least 5 km. After 4 shots. This is a woman in 60s with malnutrition.<br /> <br /> For all anti VAXClNE people here. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Okay, so she survived them, but did she really need them?<br /> <br /> Did YOU?<br /> <br /> It sounds like most of the problems in her life were not caused by the virus or the vax, but by the laws and regulations controlling what she was allowed to do and where she was allowed to go.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not anti-vaccine. I&#039;m pro-thinking, and pro-liberty. I encourage people to get the vaccine if they are in the highest risk categories.<br /> <br /> But yeah, the problems facing us are caused moreso by the laws than by the pandemic.<br /> <br /> The solution is &quot;well if you just comply then those laws aren&#039;t an issue&quot; - but that&#039;s literally the issue, those laws were created and those are the biggest problems.<br /> <br /> &quot;I declare emergency powers! How long? Until the pandemic ends. Oh, the virus will never go away? Even better!&quot;</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 966136" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966136" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966136">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Okay, so she survived them, but did she really need them?<br /> <br /> Did YOU?<br /> <br /> It sounds like most of the problems in her life were not caused by the virus or the vax, but by the laws and regulations controlling what she was allowed to do and where she was allowed to go.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m not anti-VAXClNE. I&#039;m pro-thinking, and pro-liberty. I encourage people to get the VAXClNE if they are in the highest risk categories.<br /> <br /> But yeah, the problems facing us are caused moreso by the laws than by the pandemic.<br /> <br /> The solution is &quot;well if you just comply then those laws aren&#039;t an issue&quot; - but that&#039;s literally the issue, those laws were created and those are the biggest problems.<br /> <br /> &quot;I declare emergency powers! How long? Until the pandemic ends. Oh, the virus will never go away? Even better!&quot; </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> For her, she definitely needed it because she couldn’t have survived it.<br /> <br /> For me, yes. I am 32, not even slightly overweight and I do 3x gym a week. And I still need the shot. I’ve seen people suffer from long covid for over 6 months. The only risk is not death. I still want to smell and taste or want to play soccer for 90 mins.<br /> <br /> I guessed this risk of semi permanent covid damage for myself as 2%, which is way above the risks of vaccination I mentioned above.<br /> <br /> And the freedom issue, that’s another issue. But if the health system cannot support you, yes they have the right to restrict you, imho. I’m not an anarchist, I prefer order and organisation. But this is not a thread about individualism vs collectivism. That’s a different, political discussion.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I took the vaccine. There were many reasons for this. Looks like many people here think that I am stupid for doing so. <br /> <br /> I really thought that people representing this forum were mostly about freedoms and personal choice. Well maybe except for us stupid ones...</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Why is a person who does not want a Covid vaccine automatically “anti-vaccine?” <br /> <br /> I know the answer, at least from a social engineering standpoint. I’m curious to hear from those who throw the “anti-vaxxer” label around.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6" data-quote="SteveO" data-source="post: 966144" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966144" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966144">SteveO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I took the VAXClNE. There were many reasons for this. Looks like many people here think that I am stupid for doing so.<br /> <br /> I really thought that people representing this forum were mostly about freedoms and personal choice. Well maybe except for us stupid ones... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You God dam sheep<br /> <br /> Lol, just kidding.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6" data-quote="SteveO" data-source="post: 966144" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966144" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966144">SteveO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I took the VAXClNE. There were many reasons for this. Looks like many people here think that I am stupid for doing so.<br /> <br /> I really thought that people representing this forum were mostly about freedoms and personal choice. Well maybe except for us stupid ones... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I feel the same way. Thanks for this post <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/6/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="6" data-username="@SteveO">@SteveO</a> <br /> <br /> This vax or no-vax isn&#039;t a fight I want to have here anymore than debating religion or politics <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" />.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6" data-quote="SteveO" data-source="post: 966144" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966144" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966144">SteveO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I took the VAXClNE. There were many reasons for this. Looks like many people here think that I am stupid for doing so.<br /> <br /> I really thought that people representing this forum were mostly about freedoms and personal choice. Well maybe except for us stupid ones... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Not stupid at all.<br /> <br /> Everyone should weigh it for themselves.<br /> <br /> It’s just crazy that there are people who think someone should die if they made the wrong choice - shouldn’t we still treat them?<br /> <br /> The idea that you are either for the vax or against the vax is oversimplified, a straw man fallacy. (This is not directed at you, but in general lots of people have made it this way)</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 6" data-quote="SteveO" data-source="post: 966144" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966144" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966144">SteveO said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I took the VAXClNE. There were many reasons for this. Looks like many people here think that I am stupid for doing so.<br /> <br /> I really thought that people representing this forum were mostly about freedoms and personal choice. Well maybe except for us stupid ones... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Don&#039;t listen to the idiots. I&#039;m glad you had the opportunity &amp; I&#039;m glad your choice you made from the research I know you did has worked well for you. It&#039;s just like everything else in the media -the crazies seem to be the loudest, most obnoxious voices while we quiet sane people read your experience, think &quot;good for you Steve, I&#039;m glad you&#039;re healthy&quot; &amp; keep scrolling. <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 3474" data-quote="Red" data-source="post: 966174" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966174" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966174">Red said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> we quiet sane people </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>&quot;We&quot; and &quot;sane&quot; don&#039;t belong in the same sentence. &quot;We&quot; are about as crazy as it gets! <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Perhaps someone tells you not to trust Fauci, Bill Gates, Thedros, Klaus Schaw, Cristine Lagarde, and the rest of the creppy evil people, just out of love. Don&#039;t care about feeling superior or who is idiot and who is smart. <br /> <br /> <br /> Wish you all the best.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 51887" data-quote="Matt Sun" data-source="post: 966178" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966178" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966178">Matt Sun said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Perhaps someone tells you not to trust Fauci, Bill Gates, Thedros, Klaus Schaw, Cristine Lagarde, and the rest of the creppy evil people, just out of love. Don&#039;t care about feeling superior or who is idiot and who is smart. <br /> <br /> <br /> Wish you all the best. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>They have no affect on my life. There are plenty of people that are not trustworthy. <br /> <br /> I don&#039;t buy into conspiracy theories. Don&#039;t feel people in the government are competent enough to pull them off. <br /> <br /> Do you feel that there could be other factors to consider when making this decision?<br /> <br /> For me, I&#039;m 63, have diabetes (don&#039;t fit the profile), have had chronic bronchitis, pneumonia from the bronchitis, other health issues that are not diagnosed, and am not positive I would survive a bad case. Plus I am in contact with people constantly in my business. Have seen a few of them die in the last year. <br /> <br /> There are my reasons. Don&#039;t see Fauci in the equation.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 51887" data-quote="Matt Sun" data-source="post: 966178" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966178" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966178">Matt Sun said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Don&#039;t care about feeling superior or who is idiot and who is smart. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>And this is not implied throughout this thread...</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">For what it’s worth. Check this out and read the conclusions (it has been pointed out that this article is from 2012. Just a disclaimer)<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="243864" data-url="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/" data-host="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2Fpersistent%2Fpubmed-meta-image-v2.jpg&amp;hash=bf6135fce71ce096044acc62f6cb3c97&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of...</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fcoreutils%2Fnwds%2Fimg%2Ffavicons%2Ffavicon.png&amp;hash=131cad5e5dbb63203daa74a5525ba7cf&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> Again, I have been 50/50 on it for a long time. At least half of my own family and loved ones have been vaxinated. This is not judgement, just research!</div>
 
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<div class="bbWrapper">And just like that, IVM and HCQ works provided you can patent it and make $$.<br /> <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/img_20210930_215246-webp.40182/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/36/36812-f2569cebe57d2ed6c665668c5f650c6c.jpg?hash=HB2FE5icnD" class="bbImage " style="" alt="IMG_20210930_215246.webp" title="IMG_20210930_215246.webp" width="200" height="296" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 966223" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966223" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966223">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> For what it’s worth. Check this out and read the conclusions<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="243864" data-url="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/" data-host="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fpubmed%2Fpersistent%2Fpubmed-meta-image-v2.jpg&amp;hash=bf6135fce71ce096044acc62f6cb3c97&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of...</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2Fcoreutils%2Fnwds%2Fimg%2Ffavicons%2Ffavicon.png&amp;hash=131cad5e5dbb63203daa74a5525ba7cf&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> Again, I have been 50/50 on it for a long time. At least half of my own family and loved ones have been vaxinated. This is not judgement, just research! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>What is the purpose of linking a scientific paper from 2012 about a <b>different vaccine candidate</b> for a <b>different virus</b> in a <b>pre-clinical study</b> in mice that has <b>informed years of research</b> that followed? Without findings like this one (and many other &#039;failures&#039; with loads of other candidate solutions stopped before entering in-human clinical trials) we wouldn&#039;t be where we are with the vaxx technology and clinical research today.<br /> <br /> I can cite plenty of other papers like this which show the road to vaccines has been similar to an entrepreneurial journey (fail early, learn from mistakes, try various methods, collaborate, invest, test test test etc.).<br /> <br /> Note: I&#039;m on the fence whether this vaccine is required too. With virus-induced immunity you could argue you still need the vaccine-induced one. Maybe it&#039;s a good booster or maybe the risk in your particular case is unclear. Should be a personal choice... but is it personal if your community/tribe/family turns it into such an emotionally loaded problem? Peer pressure much?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 83372" data-quote="Flint" data-source="post: 966228" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966228" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966228">Flint said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What is the purpose of linking a scientific paper from 2012 about a <b>different VAXClNE candidate</b> for a <b>different virus</b> in a <b>pre-clinical study</b> in mice that has <b>informed years of research</b> that followed? Without findings like this one (and many other &#039;failures&#039; with loads of other candidate solutions stopped before entering in-human clinical trials) we wouldn&#039;t be where we are with the vaxx technology and clinical research today.<br /> <br /> I can cite plenty of other papers like this which show the road to vaccines has been similar to an entrepreneurial journey (fail early, learn from mistakes, try various methods, collaborate, invest, test test test etc.).<br /> <br /> Note: I&#039;m on the fence whether this VAXClNE is required too. With virus-induced immunity you could argue you still need the VAXClNE-induced one. Maybe it&#039;s a good booster or maybe the risk in your particular case is unclear. Should be a personal choice... but is it personal if your community/tribe/family turns it into such an emotionally loaded problem? Peer pressure much? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Chill man, I didn&#039;t realize the disparity. I&#039;m not a doctor or a medical researcher, my background is engineering.<br /> The paper does appear to be related to the current stuff.<br /> <br /> As for your note: yes, peer pressure is a thing, but you can easily rise above that. What is <b>not easy </b>to ignore is the actual law of the land you live in!</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 966230" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966230" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966230">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Chill man </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I think you read that wrong. My commemt was intended to be read in a bit more empathetic tone, even if it was a bit challenging in nature. We&#039;re on the same team after all.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 85205" data-quote="thechosen1" data-source="post: 966230" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966230" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966230">thechosen1 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What is <b>not easy </b>to ignore is the actual law of the land you live in! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Indeed.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 83372" data-quote="Flint" data-source="post: 966234" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966234" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966234">Flint said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I think you read that wrong. My commemt was intended to be read in a bit more empathetic tone, even if it was a bit challenging in nature. <b><i><u>We&#039;re on the same team after all.</u></i></b><br /> <br /> <br /> Indeed. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I didn’t know we had teams. So, who’s winning? <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I assume the person impacted by adverse side-effects is still looking for help so my 2 cents if I may. Anyone might benefit. This is how I operated, when I needed advice on this subject.<br /> <br /> - Get in touch with different &#039;health awareness&#039; groups - FB started censoring them so they either changed names or moved to other platforms (even patreon might be a good place to look) - through these groups you will find a lot of different people from different backgrounds, incl doctors, lawyers who will be able to give you advice - (I have been a member of my local one in Ireland)<br /> <br /> - Get in touch with a solicitor who specialises in your condition - I know that there is a special fund in US created for paying out damages to whoever suffered adverse side-effects (might take months or years but unfortunately this is the way it is, and yes, pharma said they didn&#039;t cause autism but happily paid out damages to people who suffered from severe side-effects through this fund, not via courts, of course) - I contacted one solicitor in June re illegal quarantine and other illegal issues going on and they were able to help me a lot.<br /> <br /> To be honest, there are hundreds, and thousands of people who suffer adverse side-effects and I would be surprised if you couldn&#039;t find anyone easily.<br /> <br /> I assume you might be exhausted and feeling hopeless... but please don&#039;t give up as the solution to your situation is closer than you think. You are not alone in this, believe me, even if you think you are.<br /> <br /> I wish you good luck and if you need any more advice then feel free to reach out to me directly.<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl is-pending is-recrawl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="243870" data-url="https://thecovidblog.com/" data-host="thecovidblog.com" data-pending="true"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <span class="fa-2x u-muted"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-spinner fa-pulse "><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" role="img" aria-hidden="true" ><use href="/community/data/local/icons/regular.svg?v=1749395433#spinner"></use></svg></i> </span> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://thecovidblog.com/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> The COVID Blog™ </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">Official blog of COVID Legal USA™. Vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences. Stay Vigilant.</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fthecovidblog.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F02%2Fcropped-Logo-Final-32x32.png&amp;hash=5c83e39deda03edbf3e7d044ba6f9383&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="thecovidblog.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> thecovidblog.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 55234" data-quote="Antifragile" data-source="post: 966237" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=966237" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-966237">Antifragile said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I didn’t know we had teams. So, who’s winning? <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-shortname=";)" /> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>The people running the government forcing others to do their will, obviously.<br /> <br /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-smile2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> <br /> <br /> In all seriousness, there should not be &quot;teams.&quot;</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Well I&#039;ve had 6 shots and since then, I&#039;ve been having the SUMMER OF MY LIFE <span class="smilie smilie--emoji" title="Big Grin :D" data-smilie="8" data-shortname=":D">😀</span> I can now turn invisible at will, have reverse aged 10 years and earned $12 million from an idea I had about middle-aged oxen.<br /> <br /> LOLZ<br /> <br /> JK not interested in the jibby jab but totally behind the freedom to choose what you think is right for you.</div>
 

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