I need to market a lifestyle coach - any tips please?

Bort · Feb 14, 2015

Villain said:
An anti-PUA who teaches seduction.... ?

Yeah. He's saying you don't need these tricks and routines as you are not being real. The interaction should be more about you and the girl having fun rather than being dependent on any outcome

Formless · Feb 14, 2015

'Sign up for a FREE

1 hour talk

Navigated by the Heart'

- Bad opt-in box. You haven't told me what's in it for me. Nobody wants a 'talk navigated by the heart'. Tell me in the most SPECIFIC, PRECISE AND BENEFIT ORIENTED WAY WHAT I WILL GET FROM THIS TALK, and use that as your opt-in.

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

It sounds like you both are getting exactly what you're paying for. Read that as constructive.
This is a waste of time. Read that as criticism.

Bort · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
It sounds like you both are getting exactly what you're paying for. Read that as constructive.
This is a waste of time. Read that as criticism.

Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't understand what you mean.

Digamma · Feb 14, 2015

Identify what's unique in his offer and create a brand around it. That means that you make those unique points the center of any marketing move you make. Content? Based on it. Links on social? Based on it.

He doesn't use routines is not unique. It's not 2002, no PUA uses routines anymore.

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

Bort said:
Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't understand what you mean.

I don't see any value anywhere.
You to him
Him to you.
Either of you to anyone.

Charnell · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
I don't see any value anywhere.

Allow me to play devil's advocate, but maybe you're not the target audience. Just because they're not trying to change the world with a groundbreaking new invention, someone could gain value by this. Probably some dweeby type that needs a confidence boost for the weekend, or people coming out of long relationships and forgot how to talk to new members of the opposite sex.

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

Charnell said:
Allow me to play devil's advocate, but maybe you're not the target audience. Just because they're not trying to change the world with a groundbreaking new invention, someone could gain value by this. Probably some dweeby type that needs a confidence boost for the weekend, or people coming out of long relationships and forgot how to talk to new members of the opposite sex.

That's true today. But, even when I was in the demographic, I was not in the target audience. Back to the cat/tuna analogy: chasing tuna is overrated and a highly unproductive use of ones time. Also, it can be a little dangerous.

Value in value out.
Any other motivation is a waste of time. The biggest thing these young folks need to learn is honesty and sincerity.

Charnell · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
That's true today. But, even when I was in the demographic, I was not in the target audience. Back to the cat/tuna analogy: chasing tuna is overrated and a highly unproductive use of ones time. Also, it can be a little dangerous.

Value in value out.
Any other motivation is a waste of time. The biggest thing these young folks need to learn is honesty and sincerity.

He may be preaching honesty and sincerity, which is what these guys didn't know they needed. All we see from the outside is "how to pick up chicks", but think of TMF . On the outside it looks like a get rich quick book, with the subtitle "Crack the Code to Wealth and Live Rich for a Lifetime". Inside it's a bit different though.

None of us needed to read TMF to know how we wanted to live our lives, but for some it made things make a bit more sense.

No one needs to go to a course on how to talk to women/men, but for some it might make things click in their head.

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

Charnell said:
He may be preaching honesty and sincerity, which is what these guys didn't know they needed. All we see from the outside is "how to pick up chicks", but think of TMF . On the outside it looks like a get rich quick book, with the subtitle "Crack the Code to Wealth and Live Rich for a Lifetime". Inside it's a bit different though.

None of us needed to read TMF to know how we wanted to live our lives, but for some it made things make a bit more sense.

No one needs to go to a course on how to talk to women/men, but for some it might make things click in their head.

It's possible.

theag · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
It's possible.

Your posts in this thread are epic :cool:

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

theag said:
Your posts in this thread are epic

Sarcasm?

theag · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
Sarcasm?

No, what do you think I sent you the forum cash for

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

theag said:
No, what do you think I sent you the forum cash for

oops, thank you

Villain · Feb 14, 2015

Bort said:
Yeah. He's saying you don't need these tricks and routines as you are not being real. The interaction should be more about you and the girl having fun rather than being dependent on any outcome

I'm somewhat familiar with this niche...

What you are talking about is called the natural method, and it has been the predominant theory in pick-up for years.

It is not "anti-PUA", which is why I was confused.

Digamma said:
He doesn't use routines is not unique. It's not 2002, no PUA uses routines anymore.

This.

Digamma · Feb 14, 2015

The seduction industry is worth a shitload of money. There is value to be delivered in it because people pay for this stuff. It's that simple. You don't get to decide what has value, the market does.

Besides that, how is teaching men how to live better lives not valuable?
If you ever helped out a shy friend meet someone you should know how life changing that is.

Lots of weird comments in this thread. Why is people treating the guy as a scammer?

jon.a said:
The biggest thing these young folks need to learn is honesty and sincerity.

What are you referring to?

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

Digamma said:
What are you referring to?

A success principle in life. We get a great many here looking for success secrets, learning to be genuine would be a great start.

Digamma · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
A success principle in life. We get a great many here looking for success secrets, learning to be genuine would be a great start.

Who is not being genuine?

jon.a · Feb 14, 2015

Digamma said:
Who is not being genuine?

Don't try to turn a general observation into a specific attack. Your questions to me are petty and annoying. Move along.

Digamma · Feb 14, 2015

jon.a said:
Don't try to turn a general observation into a specific attack. Your questions to me are petty and annoying. Move along.

Ah! Yeah, sure. Speaking of general random observations: throw the rock and hide the hand - another great principle in life. Cheerfully moving along.

Mattie · Feb 14, 2015

Bort said:
I've been asked to market a dating/social lifestyle coach. Could anyone please give me basic marketing tips to build his brand/philosophy to attract more clients. I'd appreciate even a really short answer.

I think they're being to kind. You should already know how to market them if they're your client. Why would you even take on a clients if you don't know what you're doing. lol

GreatestManEver · Feb 14, 2015

Bort said:
His name is John Cooper from the UK.

http://www.thejohncooper.net/

Thanks for the point on the surname

Your welcome Bort, remember Julian from RSD, it was on every new channel for a week, he became the most hated man in the world, so just be careful in this industry.
watch your public image, learn your countries law's.
Bort who are the most famous dating coaches in the world right now, in the world and in England. Go to there website and learn what they are doing rite.
are they using a blog, did they create a community forum with 100k fans.
are they using youtube, facebook, twitter, to show the customers what they are about.
learn all the laws of your county, can you put footage of a pick up on line? do you need to blur there faces out? watch your a$$ legally!
Go on amazon and look for a really good book on marketing, you will learn a 100+ times more from that book in 20 hours, then asking for advice on forums.
It's valentines day Bort, lots of single ladies out today wishing they had a valentines, good luck.
and remember the most important thing, happiness comes form with in you, not from getting a girl friend.

GreatestManEver · Feb 14, 2015

Mattie said:
I think they're being to kind. You should already know how to market them if they're your client. Why would you even take on a clients if you don't know what you're doing. lol

I think mattie he probably has some kind of internship worked out with them, where he helps them with there business, and they help him find that special some one.

Bort · Feb 15, 2015

GreatestManEver said:
I think mattie he probably has some kind of internship worked out with them, where he helps them with there business, and they help him find that special some one.

Thanks for the responses everyone. They are all helpful, as it makes me see things I've never even thought about.

I hope to be a coach one day. So by learning from him, I hope in the not too distant future that I will be able to set up a brand for myself, so I know the work I put in now will benefit me. Me finding a special someone will just be the icing on the cake

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