Heart Disease Sucks

[srodrigo]

I'm currently reading How not to die, by the guy on nutritionfacts.org. I'm not done, and not even saying that plant-based diets are the best solution, but it looks like it's pretty backed by science that meat, although nutritious in some ways, gives more harm than good and it's related to the top and most common diseases. I see some of those keto guys eating carbonized pieces of greasy meat every day, and I can't think how their diet is going to counter all the problems that's going to give them.

Although not removing them entirely, I'm definitely sticking to limiting the amount of eggs, meat and fish I eat per week. If science ever contradicts itself and proves that keto, vegan, or any other unbalanced diets are better than things like Mediterranean diet, I'll consider switching. For now, I'm sticking to what's backed by science and empirical proof (e.g. longevity in Mediterranean countries).

 

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[QFP]

Personally I don't buy into the plant based diet being better than animal product based diet thing.
What we do to animals chasing profits can have have an effect on us , but the native beast that eats a proper unpolluted diet is just fine.
Meat is even consumed by herbivores if offered or finds it.
A herbivore runs on the same fuel as any other animal the only difference is a specialisation to enable vegetable matter to be
converted into these fuels.
The idea that meat in of itself is harmful to us is ludicrous why only us and not any other animal?
The whole subject is a very emotive and political one that gets some people very riled up , I see this on another forum i belong to.
I get riled up to when I read of reports on eat lancet and the general anti meat propaganda going on at the moment.
The dietary recommendations of these reports if carried out would be a death sentence to people like myself .
There is plenty of information out there, for example:
Ivor Cummins you tube Chanel caries plenty of in depth info on the vascular inflammatory process by sugar and much more besides. Ivor 's Channel
Dig deep enough into medical channels and read publications you can enjoy a very in depth technical details on all this stuff.

Sorry for my mini rant but all this is very close to my Heart
[pun intended]
Thanks to the op for starting this thread.

 

[NursingTn]

I am excited to see this thread has generated so much support, opinions, and personal experiences from everybody!

I can't comment on every post, but I can tell you my progress:

The market tells me they want a strong support group to make lifestyle changes. I am going to start a free support group that helps people start and incorporate lifestyle changes for long-term.

It will be free because I believe people will be more inclined to join the group, but more importantly I don't believe people should be denied access to potential life changing programs.

Instead, I will find other means to monetize the traffic in the future if the group gets large enough. Better yet, perhaps I'll develop a program that will be proven to work and get reimbursed by insurances in the future. Who knows, I'm excited that people are interested and allowing me the privilege to help them. It looks like the group first meeting will start next week.

Aside from that, here is a million dollar fastlane idea for those who execute it: pre-planned meals that is heart healthy, low to no sodium, still tasty, and include cuisine from all ethnic types such as enchiladas, curry, Vietnamese, etc.

Lots of people don't have options in store to buy these meals. They have to painfully learn what makes a meal heart healthy, find the time to cook it, AND do all of this while struggling with the effect of the disease and everyday affairs of life.

I'll venture into the food industry in the future if this support group yields no meaningfil change or impact on peoples' lives. Why? Why not, I see an opportunity to generate mass value for people.

 

[thefakejew]

I'm currently reading How not to die, by the guy on nutritionfacts.org. I'm not done, and not even saying that plant-based diets are the best solution, but it looks like it's pretty backed by science that meat, although nutritious in some ways, gives more harm than good and it's related to the top and most common diseases. I see some of those keto guys eating carbonized pieces of greasy meat every day, and I can't think how their diet is going to counter all the problems that's going to give them.

Although not removing them entirely, I'm definitely sticking to limiting the amount of eggs, meat and fish I eat per week. If science ever contradicts itself and proves that keto, vegan, or any other unbalanced diets are better than things like Mediterranean diet, I'll consider switching. For now, I'm sticking to what's backed by science and empirical proof (e.g. longevity in Mediterranean countries).

There are many resources that actually provide completely contradictory evidence to what you have read. Books such as "Nutritional and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A. Price show the extreme importance of animal foods, that book is indeed a groundbreaking one, an eye opener. Overall nutritional science contradicts itself in every conceivable way and one has to base what is healthy for them based on personal experiments and experiences, for me that is personally something heavily carnivore based, especially lots of red meat and high quality animal fats.

 

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[srodrigo]

There are many resources that actually provide completely contradictory evidence to what you have read. Books such as "Nutritional and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A. Price show the extreme importance of animal foods, that book is indeed a groundbreaking one, an eye opener. Overall nutritional science contradicts itself in every conceivable way and one has to base what is healthy for them based on personal experiments and experiences, for me that is personally something heavily carnivore based, especially lots of red meat and high quality animal fats.

That's entirely possible. I'd like to compare the quality of those studies though. There are countless of randomised, double-blind, placebo controlled studies that isolate meat as the only change in diet/lifestyle in a different groups of people, and their cancer-related parameters go up in all of them in the groups that consume more meat. I'm surprised by (but interested in reading about) studies that don't show this evidence, or even show any other benefits that outweigh the problems related to the top 5-10 diseases, as it would be a big and interesting contradiction.

Also, have things like keto diet been studied for long enough to determine whether they end up being healthy? I know how popular some of them are now (specially keto, and usually in people who spend most of their time in the gym), and I also know that a ton of people are making good money with them. Keto is an unbalanced diet invented to treat epilepsy, which sounds like wouldn't suit most people. It's based in low carbs, which is just the opposite of diets with a good amount of carbs that have been battle-proved. I'm talking about real-world proof: life expectancy, in form of a ton of people who reach their 90s or more.

Okinawan and Mediterranean diets, both light on read meat and fish and pretty high on carbs and whole grains, are on the top on life expectancy rankings, beating any meat intensive diets AFAIK. Forgetting boring statistics, I'm from a Mediterranean area, and most old people in my family surpassed their 90s. Even more interesting is when you go to the cemetery in their villages and look at the age people died. It's hard to find anyone who died before their 80s (most of them 85+). They had an active lifestyle in their youths, but they also ate "poorly" (not much meat, as it was expensive and not all people could grow animals) and not much food (this also greatly contradicts the amount of recommended calories per day ingest, which to me is insane). Some of them didn't do much exercise at all during their lives, but still reached 85+. There was one single thing in common: their diet.

I've got salmon for dinner tonight by the way

 

[Kid]

If you serious about:

start with kids.