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I live in Merida, Yucatan (since Feb 2020) and I love it (I'm from Central Europe):

1) Fking cheap real estate and cheap terrains still. You can buy a beautiful 3 bedroom house with garden in a good district at around 200k USD or cheaper (even less if you are willing to build it from scratch). Depending on your needs and zone, it could be even cheaper.
2) Fairly good infrastructure. Not Germany or France but it's very good for a Latin American country. Never been to the US, but I imagine it's better than in many poor/rural US states.
3) 1.2 M population, big enough but not too big like CDMX, Paris, Berlin, NY and other monsters. Doesn't feel like a megalopolis, doesn't feel like a village or a sinkhole either.
4) Summer all year long. It's too hot for some people but it's a part of the lifestyle.
5) Beautiful beach with kitesurfing spots is 20 minutes car drive / 40 minutes bus ride from my house
6) Carribean side - 4 h bus / 3h car drive to Cancun, Tulum, Cozumel (2nd world's biggest coral reef)
7) Way cheaper groceries etc than US, Europe (although it can be more expensive than Eastern Europe)
8) Safest city in Mexico, 2nd safest in both Americas according to many crime statistics
9) Amazing food, rich culture overall
10) Fairly good cultural life (museums, shows, local culture, live music). Of course it's not a big US or European city in that aspect, but I'm good.
11) Good connections to Europe, US, rest of Mexico (CDMX is 2 hours flight away, Florida and Texas as well)
12) One of the biggest expat communities, biggest US expat community in the world as far as I remember
13) Lots of millionaires, entrepreneurs, interesting people from all over the world
14) People are super nice. All my landlords feel like family. They bring food, water, bags of ice, beers...GREAT people! Extremely caring, friendly, hospitable.
15) Great healthcare, people come from other latin american countries and sometimes US to get treatments here. I was personally treated from many skins problem that I couldn't get rid of in Europe.
16) Visually, It's a tropical paradise. Flamingos, crododiles, monkeys, lizard, colorful birds of all sorts, turquise waters, coral reefs, coconuts, coffe, avocado, papayas, markets with fresh food (you can buy a big a$$ shark or amazing reef fish to grill along with fresh fruit and veggies for PENNIES)
17) Mexico has amazing coffe and a big coffe culture if you like to work remotely
18) It's a hidden gem, still not as touristy and "Trendy" as Bali, Thailand etc.
19) Great investment opportunities when it comes to real estate. ROI 7-14%. And you can always rent a house/apartament to rich Americans/Canadians/Europeans.
20) Beautiful, feminine and more down to earth women. A big plus if you're single and ready to mingle.
21) Spanish. I love the language.
22) Cheap labor. I don't ever clean my house, I pay 200 MXn and have it done. I don't care about my garden nor pool, I have it done. You can have a private chef and overall millionaire's life way cheaper.
22) Beautiful colonial architecture. I think it's world's 2nd or 3rd biggest colonial city center, after Havana as far as I remember. Mayan and Spanish legacy around every corner.
23) Rents are awesome too. I rent a modern 250 m2 house (3 bedrooms, big living room + kitchen, 5 bahtrooms, garden, pool, private area in the best district) at 27000 MXN (around 1200 EUR) monthly. House cleaning once a week, gardener and pool cleaning included + fast internet + gas + water + maintenance. I only pay rent and electicity lol. Close to mall, gym, shopping centers, 20 minutes from the beach city of Progreso.
24) Easy to get the residency and just live here for as long you please, without visa runs and bullshit.
25 ) Lots of light, blue skies every day

Is it a perfect place? No. Sometimes it's too hot. It can be chaotic and a bit dirty in the city center, like all Latin cities (and all cities in general). You could get a cultural shock. People don't arrive at time. It's harder to maintain real estate because of the humidity and extreme sun. Sometimes I miss food that I grew up with or walking in the forest. But I can always go to a paradise beach, ruins, cenotes, caves, jungle etc.
But all things considered, Merida is the best that I've found, and I lived in 9 countries and visited 51 overall.

I can post some photos if you guys are interested.
Sounds really appealing! :) never been on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean (based in Europe all time).

Have you been in Spain? Can you compare Mexico to it?
What are the best options in terms of getting long-term residency in MX?

I love Spain but sometimes I’m sick of this continent with all of these small countries.
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I live in Merida, Yucatan (since Feb 2020) and I love it (I'm from Central Europe):

1) Fking cheap real estate and cheap terrains still. You can buy a beautiful 3 bedroom house with garden in a good district at around 200k USD or cheaper (even less if you are willing to build it from scratch). Depending on your needs and zone, it could be even cheaper.
2) Fairly good infrastructure. Not Germany or France but it's very good for a Latin American country. Never been to the US, but I imagine it's better than in many poor/rural US states.
3) 1.2 M population, big enough but not too big like CDMX, Paris, Berlin, NY and other monsters. Doesn't feel like a megalopolis, doesn't feel like a village or a sinkhole either.
4) Summer all year long. It's too hot for some people but it's a part of the lifestyle.
5) Beautiful beach with kitesurfing spots is 20 minutes car drive / 40 minutes bus ride from my house
6) Carribean side - 4 h bus / 3h car drive to Cancun, Tulum, Cozumel (2nd world's biggest coral reef)
7) Way cheaper groceries etc than US, Europe (although it can be more expensive than Eastern Europe)
8) Safest city in Mexico, 2nd safest in both Americas according to many crime statistics
9) Amazing food, rich culture overall
10) Fairly good cultural life (museums, shows, local culture, live music). Of course it's not a big US or European city in that aspect, but I'm good.
11) Good connections to Europe, US, rest of Mexico (CDMX is 2 hours flight away, Florida and Texas as well)
12) One of the biggest expat communities, biggest US expat community in the world as far as I remember
13) Lots of millionaires, entrepreneurs, interesting people from all over the world
14) People are super nice. All my landlords feel like family. They bring food, water, bags of ice, beers...GREAT people! Extremely caring, friendly, hospitable.
15) Great healthcare, people come from other latin american countries and sometimes US to get treatments here. I was personally treated from many skins problem that I couldn't get rid of in Europe.
16) Visually, It's a tropical paradise. Flamingos, crododiles, monkeys, lizard, colorful birds of all sorts, turquise waters, coral reefs, coconuts, coffe, avocado, papayas, markets with fresh food (you can buy a big a$$ shark or amazing reef fish to grill along with fresh fruit and veggies for PENNIES)
17) Mexico has amazing coffe and a big coffe culture if you like to work remotely
18) It's a hidden gem, still not as touristy and "Trendy" as Bali, Thailand etc.
19) Great investment opportunities when it comes to real estate. ROI 7-14%. And you can always rent a house/apartament to rich Americans/Canadians/Europeans.
20) Beautiful, feminine and more down to earth women. A big plus if you're single and ready to mingle.
21) Spanish. I love the language.
22) Cheap labor. I don't ever clean my house, I pay 200 MXn and have it done. I don't care about my garden nor pool, I have it done. You can have a private chef and overall millionaire's life way cheaper.
22) Beautiful colonial architecture. I think it's world's 2nd or 3rd biggest colonial city center, after Havana as far as I remember. Mayan and Spanish legacy around every corner.
23) Rents are awesome too. I rent a modern 250 m2 house (3 bedrooms, big living room + kitchen, 5 bahtrooms, garden, pool, private area in the best district) at 27000 MXN (around 1200 EUR) monthly. House cleaning once a week, gardener and pool cleaning included + fast internet + gas + water + maintenance. I only pay rent and electicity lol. Close to mall, gym, shopping centers, 20 minutes from the beach city of Progreso.
24) Easy to get the residency and just live here for as long you please, without visa runs and bullshit.
25 ) Lots of light, blue skies every day

Is it a perfect place? No. Sometimes it's too hot. It can be chaotic and a bit dirty in the city center, like all Latin cities (and all cities in general). You could get a cultural shock. People don't arrive at time. It's harder to maintain real estate because of the humidity and extreme sun. Sometimes I miss food that I grew up with or walking in the forest. But I can always go to a paradise beach, ruins, cenotes, caves, jungle etc.
But all things considered, Merida is the best that I've found, and I lived in 9 countries and visited 51 overall.

I can post some photos if you guys are interested.
Thanks for this, it made me do some research and find some interesting things.

I was born in Spain and if I live there for 2 years I could apply for a Mexican passport, it doesn't rank very high but it could be useful in some cases.

For entrepeneurs it could be great, much less taxation than in Spain, good inexpensive employees and next to the USA.

If you want it all digital you could create a US LLC as a foreigner, it will act as a passthrough, which means the IRS gets nothing, and you can enjoy your life on a tropical paradise while keeping the worldwide reputation and recognition of an LLC.

And I'll add another curiosity, Mérida is in front of the Chicxulub crater, made by the meteorite that extincted the dinosaurs.
 

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Sounds really appealing! :) never been on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean (based in Europe all time).

Have you been in Spain? Can you compare Mexico to it?
What are the best options in terms of getting long-term residency in MX?

I love Spain but sometimes I’m sick of this continent with all of these small countries.
Cheers
Yes, my sister lives in Barcelona, been there many times. It's one of my fav countries on this planet for sure, but:

1) big taxation, retarded socialist gov

2) European bullshit, european comission and all that (that said, living in Europe has many upsides too, but depends on your needs and points of view. I'm happy to have European passport and wouldn't leave UE, but sometimes they annoy the f*ck out of me with their retarded ideas)

3) Waaaaaaay more expensive than Mexico when it comes to real estate. The money that will buy you a beautiful 300m2 house with 3 bedrooms, pool, garden and 5 bahtrooms buys you maybe a 2 bedroom 50m2 apartament in Spain, probably in an old building. That depends very well on WHERE in Spain, but in big cities it would buy you even less. Unless you want to live in the middle of nowhere. I live in a 1.2M city with Uber, rappi, infrastructure, Amazon, shopping malls, opera, theaters etc. Wouldn't like to live in a sinkhole with 1k population and a church even if it was beautiful, I'm not in my 80s yet lol.

4) In Mexico you don't have to clean your house, take care of the garden, house, car, do the groceries, even cook, there's people and apps for everything. In Spain you would have to be a millionaire to afford that kind of lifestyle.

5) There's winter in Spain, it can be really cold and rainy in Barcelona, there's no winter in Yucatan. That could be an upside or downside, if you hate high temperatures (I hate darkness, cloudy skies and winters).

6) Spanish Cousine < Mexican Cousine, street food, cheap markets with fresh food etc (way cheaper)

7) Spain is pretty big as for a country in Europe, but Mexico is HUUUUGE. You could travel every year for 20 years and still be left with tons to see, there's snowy mountains, deserts, jungle, tropical paradise beaches, islands, huge cities, culture, everything. Spain is less diverse.

8) The cities that I really love in Spain (e.g Barcelona) are extremely touristy. Now less because of C0VlD, but how I remember back in the day, I wouldn't like to live in the city itself because of the almost inaccessible metro, buses, annoying tourists everywhere (I was a tourist as well, but it's a different thing to sightsee and another to live somewhere)

9) More real istate investment opportunities in Mexico for a smaller budget

10) The country (Mexico) is corrupted af, which can be an upside. Money and contacts get you far.

What are the best options in terms of getting long-term residency in MX?
It's fast and easy. One of the easiest residencies to get. You either show them your income or employment (and it's not that high) or you need to have a job or a biz here. You could also get married as far as I remember. There are other options too, you could study etc. There's people and agencies to help you with that, lmk if you're interested.

I was born in Spain and if I live there for 2 years I could apply for a Mexican passport, it doesn't rank very high but it could be useful in some cases.
You don't even need Mexican passport, the residency is more than enough, but yes, it is possible and easy as compared to other countries.
 

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Yes, my sister lives in Barcelona, been there many times. It's one of my fav countries on this planet for sure, but:

1) big taxation, retarded socialist gov

2) European bullshit, european comission and all that (that said, living in Europe has many upsides too, but depends on your needs and points of view. I'm happy to have European passport and wouldn't leave UE, but sometimes they annoy the f*ck out of me with their retarded ideas)

3) Waaaaaaay more expensive than Mexico when it comes to real estate. The money that will buy you a beautiful 300m2 house with 3 bedrooms, pool, garden and 5 bahtrooms buys you maybe a 2 bedroom 50m2 apartament in Spain, probably in an old building. That depends very well on WHERE in Spain, but in big cities it would buy you even less. Unless you want to live in the middle of nowhere. I live in a 1.2M city with Uber, rappi, infrastructure, Amazon, shopping malls, opera, theaters etc. Wouldn't like to live in a sinkhole with 1k population and a church even if it was beautiful, I'm not in my 80s yet lol.

4) In Mexico you don't have to clean your house, take care of the garden, house, car, do the groceries, even cook, there's people and apps for everything. In Spain you would have to be a millionaire to afford that kind of lifestyle.

5) There's winter in Spain, it can be really cold and rainy in Barcelona, there's no winter in Yucatan. That could be an upside or downside, if you hate high temperatures (I hate darkness, cloudy skies and winters).

6) Spanish Cousine < Mexican Cousine, street food, cheap markets with fresh food etc (way cheaper)

7) Spain is pretty big as for a country in Europe, but Mexico is HUUUUGE. You could travel every year for 20 years and still be left with tons to see, there's snowy mountains, deserts, jungle, tropical paradise beaches, islands, huge cities, culture, everything. Spain is less diverse.

8) The cities that I really love in Spain (e.g Barcelona) are extremely touristy. Now less because of C0VlD, but how I remember back in the day, I wouldn't like to live in the city itself because of the almost inaccessible metro, buses, annoying tourists everywhere (I was a tourist as well, but it's a different thing to sightsee and another to live somewhere)

9) More real istate investment opportunities in Mexico for a smaller budget

10) The country (Mexico) is corrupted af, which can be an upside. Money and contacts get you far.


It's fast and easy. One of the easiest residencies to get. You either show them your income or employment (and it's not that high) or you need to have a job or a biz here. You could also get married as far as I remember. There are other options too, you could study etc. There's people and agencies to help you with that, lmk if you're interested.


You don't even need Mexican passport, the residency is more than enough, but yes, it is possible and easy as compared to other countries.
Many thanks for covering all of this stuff
That’s a lot, haven’t expected that and you answered many questions which I had <3

I used to live in different places in Spain (ES is awesome), including Barcelona which is my favourite big city in Europe.
I was always curious about Mexico as I heard from many sources about its beauty and because it is an accessible and friendly country. And it is next to the US which could be a great travel opportunity.


Portugal is another interesting country which I’m considering, with beautiful beaches and not so expensive lands or real estates. They have NHR program with lowered taxes (but after 10y it might not be so nice)
It could be a very sensible choice, however I left my heart with Spanish speaking countries

But for now, sending message from Dublin, my second fav city in Europe :)
(btw. I’m from CE too)

I’m considering MX as my plan B, if things in Europe will messed up. I will contact you later on about residencies. Cheers!
 

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Sorry if I missed it, but has anybody mentioned Belize as an option? Pros? Cons?
 

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Latin America is starting to look like a nice option for me personally.

Seems to be a stronghold fighting Big Pharma. Also, El Salvador and Panama's recent move towards further crypto adoption is a trend - not a one off.

With plenty of fertile land and plenty of youth to fuel the development of the future - the internet and crypto can bring to Latin America what the industrial revolution brought to America.
 

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I live in Merida, Yucatan (since Feb 2020) and I love it (I'm from Central Europe):

1) Fking cheap real estate and cheap terrains still. You can buy a beautiful 3 bedroom house with garden in a good district at around 200k USD or cheaper (even less if you are willing to build it from scratch). Depending on your needs and zone, it could be even cheaper.
2) Fairly good infrastructure. Not Germany or France but it's very good for a Latin American country. Never been to the US, but I imagine it's better than in many poor/rural US states.
3) 1.2 M population, big enough but not too big like CDMX, Paris, Berlin, NY and other monsters. Doesn't feel like a megalopolis, doesn't feel like a village or a sinkhole either.
4) Summer all year long. It's too hot for some people but it's a part of the lifestyle.
5) Beautiful beach with kitesurfing spots is 20 minutes car drive / 40 minutes bus ride from my house
6) Carribean side - 4 h bus / 3h car drive to Cancun, Tulum, Cozumel (2nd world's biggest coral reef)
7) Way cheaper groceries etc than US, Europe (although it can be more expensive than Eastern Europe)
8) Safest city in Mexico, 2nd safest in both Americas according to many crime statistics
9) Amazing food, rich culture overall
10) Fairly good cultural life (museums, shows, local culture, live music). Of course it's not a big US or European city in that aspect, but I'm good.
11) Good connections to Europe, US, rest of Mexico (CDMX is 2 hours flight away, Florida and Texas as well)
12) One of the biggest expat communities, biggest US expat community in the world as far as I remember
13) Lots of millionaires, entrepreneurs, interesting people from all over the world
14) People are super nice. All my landlords feel like family. They bring food, water, bags of ice, beers...GREAT people! Extremely caring, friendly, hospitable.
15) Great healthcare, people come from other latin american countries and sometimes US to get treatments here. I was personally treated from many skins problem that I couldn't get rid of in Europe.
16) Visually, It's a tropical paradise. Flamingos, crododiles, monkeys, lizard, colorful birds of all sorts, turquise waters, coral reefs, coconuts, coffe, avocado, papayas, markets with fresh food (you can buy a big a$$ shark or amazing reef fish to grill along with fresh fruit and veggies for PENNIES)
17) Mexico has amazing coffe and a big coffe culture if you like to work remotely
18) It's a hidden gem, still not as touristy and "Trendy" as Bali, Thailand etc.
19) Great investment opportunities when it comes to real estate. ROI 7-14%. And you can always rent a house/apartament to rich Americans/Canadians/Europeans.
20) Beautiful, feminine and more down to earth women. A big plus if you're single and ready to mingle.
21) Spanish. I love the language.
22) Cheap labor. I don't ever clean my house, I pay 200 MXn and have it done. I don't care about my garden nor pool, I have it done. You can have a private chef and overall millionaire's life way cheaper.
22) Beautiful colonial architecture. I think it's world's 2nd or 3rd biggest colonial city center, after Havana as far as I remember. Mayan and Spanish legacy around every corner.
23) Rents are awesome too. I rent a modern 250 m2 house (3 bedrooms, big living room + kitchen, 5 bahtrooms, garden, pool, private area in the best district) at 27000 MXN (around 1200 EUR) monthly. House cleaning once a week, gardener and pool cleaning included + fast internet + gas + water + maintenance. I only pay rent and electicity lol. Close to mall, gym, shopping centers, 20 minutes from the beach city of Progreso.
24) Easy to get the residency and just live here for as long you please, without visa runs and bullshit.
25 ) Lots of light, blue skies every day

Is it a perfect place? No. Sometimes it's too hot. It can be chaotic and a bit dirty in the city center, like all Latin cities (and all cities in general). You could get a cultural shock. People don't arrive at time. It's harder to maintain real estate because of the humidity and extreme sun. Sometimes I miss food that I grew up with or walking in the forest. But I can always go to a paradise beach, ruins, cenotes, caves, jungle etc.
But all things considered, Merida is the best that I've found, and I lived in 9 countries and visited 51 overall.

I can post some photos if you guys are interested.
Love it! My wife and I are living in Merida half the year. Maybe we can catch up later this year.
 

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I like how they talk about "locking them out of the economy" when you don't get vaxinated. Good. Everyone who falls under that category needs to stop paying taxes and GTFO and tell their overlords to get bent. I would absolutely love to see their terror when 30% of their population stops paying them taxes.
 

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Sorry if I missed it, but has anybody mentioned Belize as an option? Pros? Cons?
Not recommended. Belize City is a super dangerous and gritty shithole, Caye Caulker is beautiful but super small, then you're left with San Pedro. The country is poor af and also very C0VlD-serious (Belizeans can't leave their own country nor enter it....). Would not live there.

Love it! My wife and I are living in Merida half the year. Maybe we can catch up later this year.
Awesome! Pm me and let's meet up! When are you coming?
 

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Indonesia went all in on ivermectin in July. They sell them at corner stores now.

I don't like islands for long term residence, but I'm looking to travel to SE Asia and Bali just opened up on my list as a good spot.

I've visited Bali before and it was a one of a kind place, with some of the most loving and caring locals I've ever met.
 

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Alberta just launched a whole host of new restrictions. They are also pushing a VAXClNE passport. I think that many places already require it, and it is about to become Provincial legislation. You can already access your VAXClNE records easily and there is some beta VAXClNE-passport out now that they "encourage" you to download.

I am done with putting any money into this province. Essential services only. Forget this place. All my money is going to be funneled somewhere else at this point.

Here we go, you can't make this shit up:

Indoor social gatherings​

vaxinated: Indoor private social gatherings are limited to a single household plus one other household to a maximum of 10 VAXClNE-eligible, vaxinated people and no restrictions on children under 12.

unvaxinated: Indoor social gatherings are not permitted for VAXClNE-eligible but unvaxinated people.

So the government is literally saying that they can send police to lock you up if you have someone at your house and you are not vaxinated.
 
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Your leader is a psychopath.

Ours are the worst as well.

Leaders all over the world are openly encouraging segregation and demonization of certain citizens.

Australia and Canada in particular.

I'm not usually a conspiracy person, but something is off about all of this and it is 100% not in good faith.

What can an unarmed citizenry do?

You would need most people to not comply, but it does t seem to be happening on a large enough scale.

Will it? I don't know.
Im from Melbourne myself, This place has gone in the bloody bin.
 

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Alberta just launched a whole host of new restrictions. They are also pushing a VAXClNE passport. I think that many places already require it, and it is about to become Provincial legislation. You can already access your VAXClNE records easily and there is some beta VAXClNE-passport out now that they "encourage" you to download.

I am done with putting any money into this province. Essential services only. Forget this place. All my money is going to be funneled somewhere else at this point.

Here we go, you can't make this shit up:

Indoor social gatherings​

vaxinated: Indoor private social gatherings are limited to a single household plus one other household to a maximum of 10 VAXClNE-eligible, vaxinated people and no restrictions on children under 12.

unvaxinated: Indoor social gatherings are not permitted for VAXClNE-eligible but unvaxinated people.

So the government is literally saying that they can send police to lock you up if you have someone at your house and you are not vaxinated.
This also
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If ya'll are in North America, Mexico seems like the perfect spot. Its cheap, pockets with great infrastructure and not too far from N.America.

If ya'll are in Europe, then go to Bulgaria or some place in Eastern Europe.

I'm personally in Turkey. Been here about 1 year, the currency is cheap, things are rather cheap, cops are rather chill, few looks here and there from people that aren't cultured, but otherwise its a pretty cool place. Plus there's a decent expat community if you want to stay in those expat ghettos (I mean "communities").
 

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Italy to require all workers to show 'green pass' certificate​


On Thursday, the Italian government approved a new law to extend the requirements to all workplaces and employees across all sectors, including the self-employed.

 

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Experts in Australia literally killed puppies to "save people from C0VlD..."


Well, they are experts ! Those puppies must have done something !

Ps timmy C: Like you said, Must buy bitcoin when Peter Schiff brags about how right he is.

Will btc save us from tyranny or is it just another trojan horse ? Hard to know.
 

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@Timmy C I found a few places that sell ivermectin online. Might get sized at the Australian border and you get thrown in jail for importing pills of mass destruction though.

Don't use Google, and search for who sells it. I know you can literally buy it on any street corner pharmacy in Mexico. Cost down there is about 100 pesos for a pack of 4 pills that are 6mg each.

My parents are in Bosnia right now. My dad just messaged me to say they got the coove. Dad feels ok but I guess my mom is pretty beat up. She is also very overweight and I've been giving her shit about her physical health for years. So for now they are stuck in a hotel for 11 more days or something and then they fly home.
 

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@Timmy C I found a few places that sell ivermectin online. Might get sized at the Australian border and you get thrown in jail for importing pills of mass destruction though.

Don't use Google, and search for who sells it. I know you can literally buy it on any street corner pharmacy in Mexico. Cost down there is about 100 pesos for a pack of 4 pills that are 6mg each.

My parents are in Bosnia right now. My dad just messaged me to say they got the coove. Dad feels ok but I guess my mom is pretty beat up. She is also very overweight and I've been giving her shit about her physical health for years. So for now they are stuck in a hotel for 11 more days or something and then they fly home.
It's not illegal to import it here, I just wouldn't know which website to get it from and be certain that it's actually what it says it is and not a counterfeit in any way.

I wouldn't know how to be sure.

I have used duck duck go and there are sites where you csn buy it from.

But they all look dodgy ha ha.
 

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I recently got back from a short vacation to Madeira, an island in the Atlantic Ocean that is an autonomous region of Portugal. Almost 82% of the population of Portugal is fully vaxinated and 87% had at least one dose. It's one of the highest rates in the world, if not the top3.

Pretty much everyone is vaxinated and they're well above the "freedom" vaccination rates promised in other countries. You'd expect that people over there would live in complete freedom.

And you'd be completely wrong.

For me, coming from Poland, it felt like traveling back in time to 2020. Wearing masks indoors is heavily enforced. You can't even wear it under your nose or they'll tell you to pull it up. Some people still wear a mask outdoors (and curiously, many of these people are actually young people). Some people STILL drive their cars alone while wearing a mask (these are my "favorite" people as this very often indicates a terrible driver so at least you're warned beforehand).

We went to a local weekly farmers' outdoor market and there was a woman guarding the entrance and making sure everyone used a disinfectant and wore a mask. There was also police guarding the exit.

We went on a private boat cruise and our skipper and his assistant wore their masks all the time. When I told them it was fine for them to remove them, the skipper said they would lose their license if they were caught doing that. That's despite Madeira requiring a test or a proof of vaccination just to get there, then the cruise company doing a temperature check before the cruise (lol) and the fact that it was ALL happening outdoors on a moving boat in the ocean (so can't have better ventilation than that). Oh, and also despite the fact that most likely everyone involved was vaxinated (us included).

Generally speaking, pretty much every single person working had a mask on. Guys patrolling outdoors in a national park. Waiters. Police. Bus drivers. Supermarket employees (I caught just one wearing it under her nose and that was shocking considering their compliance).

Just for comparison, in Poland just 51% of people had both doses and 52% had at least one. While in theory you still have to wear a mask indoors, few people do it these days (except for supermarkets and larger stores but then most people wear it under their noses). Restaurants, gas stations, small shops, farmers' markets, etc., nobody cares (including the staff).

And the most striking difference is that in Poland there are just a few hundred cases a day and on average no more than 10 deaths per day (for 38 million people) while in Portugal, with 10 million people, there are over a thousand cases a day (so at least 8 times more per capita than in Poland) and a similar number of deaths (so 4 times more deaths per capita).
 

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