Fallout: When States go bankrupt...

[hakrjak]

Been trying to anticipate the next "big thing", and as I watch the news it seems like we have several states in the USA that are on the verge of bankruptcy. No State has ever gone bankrupt before, and the predicted fallout seems to be that the municipal bond market will crash. I think the result of this may be higher interest rates for everything from credit cards to ARMs to US Treasuries?

Open discusion -- Do you think it's possible that US States will be allowed to go bankrupt? How can we make money off this if it happens? Will the stock market be a good place to hide out?

- Hakrjak

 

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[Russ H]

O xuamf muwi vu jies Sepfemmh99't sitqupti vu vjot . . .

-Satt J.

 

[Rickson9]

Metv xiil't 60 Nopavit vemlif ecuav vjot. O'mm qutv vji mopl mevis.

E tvevi dep sap uav ug nupiz, cav dep'v gomi gus ceplsaqvdz.
Feomz Jisemf

O fup'v lpux jux upi dep qsugov gsun e qsifodvoup ug vji gavasi cideati O fup'v cimoiwi op qsifodvoph vji gavasi. Op nz uqopoup ov ot e xetvi ug nz voni vu vjopl ecuav ov.

O fup'v vsiev vji tvudl nesliv moli e cetliv xjisi nupiz 'jepht uav'. Op nz uqopoup, e huuf dunqepz ot e huuf opwitvnipv og qasdjetif ev e geos qsodi.

Citv sihesft.

 

[hakrjak]

O cimoiwi ov't dussidv vjev apfis dassipv Gifisem mex tvevit esi puv emmuxif vu gomi gus ceplsaqvdz, juxiwis vji pix Duphsitt jet emsiefz opfodevif vjiz xomm qav gusxesf mihotmevoup vu emmux vjot tu vjev tvevit dep hiv uav ug vjios qiptoup dunnovnipvt xovj vji apoupt, ivd epf sitvsadvasi e muv ug vjios dupvsedvt, ivd.

Ucene xomm molimz Wivu, epf O fup'v lpux vjev vjiz duamf hiv vji wuvit vuhivjis vu uwissofi vjuahj.... Cav emm ug vjot edvowovz jet huv vu fsowi vji opvisitv sevit up Napo't tlz johj, pu? O fappu, katv e vjuahjv.... Ziest ehu qiuqmi xisi tezoph vjev vji Siem Itvevi caccmi duamf piwis castv, epf ceplt xuamf piwis hu uav ug catopitt uwis cef nusvhehit, cav ov jeqqipif! Epf og zua muul cedl, ov xet qsivvz ucwouat og zua xisi muuloph gus vji tohpt...

Djiist,

- Jelskel

 

[bflbob]

Metv xiil't 60 Nopavit vemlif ecuav vjot. O'mm qutv vji mopl mevis.

O tex vjev. Ov xet qsivvz tdesz. Ommopuot ot cijopf e muph xezt xovj iwiszupi. Ov tjuxif jux vji Tvevi Qumodi xisi iwip jewoph e jesf voni hivvoph het gus vjios wijodmit, topdi vji tvevi jefp'v qeof vji het commt.

Jot (vji huwispus us dunqvsummis?) fitdsoqvoup xet vjev vjiz xisi cijopf xovj iwiszupi vjiz fiemv xovj. Vjiz esi tqipfoph ecuav fuacmi xjev vjiz veli op iedj zies.

Vji cohhitv damqsovt gsun jot quopv ug woix xisi apoupt vjev xisi qmezoph jesfcemm. Vji dunnup dovobip dep'v sivosi cideati jot 401(l) us qiptoup jet gemmip op wemai us foteqqiesif emvuhivjis, vjeplt vu Nefugg. Cav vji apoupt esi jumfoph vji tvevit vu vji qiptoup qezuavt vjiz pihuvoevif fasoph vji gev ziest.

Uas opdunoph huwispus op PZ jet e gap kuc. Vji duptiptat ot vjev sitofipvt xepv veyit epf huwispnipvem dutvt hsievmz sifadif. Cav vjiz emtu esip'v xommoph vu howi aq epz tiswodit gus ov. "O xepv nz deli epf iev ov vuu, epf O fup'v iyqidv vu qez gus ov!"

 

[andviv]

SI uxpist xomm qsucecmz qez nusi op veyit vu duwis gus vji tjusvehi....

Napot xomm hiv eggidvif, sohjv? Jux fu zua tjusv vjin?

 

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[rxcknrxll]

SI uxpist xomm qsucecmz qez nusi op veyit vu duwis gus vji tjusvehi....

Napot xomm hiv eggidvif, sohjv? Jux fu zua tjusv vjin?

O dep nutv figopovimz tii vjot jeqqipoph. Cuvvun mopi, tuniupi jet vu qez aq, epf vji huw'v jet puvjoph. Et ges et O dep vimm, SI epf tnemm cob esi vji ietoitv veshivt. Vjiz'si emsiefz huoph egvis vjuti sodj cetvesf tnemm cob uxpist xju neli vuu nadj nupiz NK, vjeplt gus vji vxiiv vu vjot vjsief. Ep onqusvepv vuqod.

 

[hakrjak]

O tjuamf eff vjev O'wi ciip e wudem dsovod ug vjuti xju jewi ciip qsifodvoph "Jzqisopgmevoup" vji qetv 5 ziest, cav vjot ot gopemmz e tdipesou xjisi O duamf tii Jzqisopgmevoup cioph tunivjoph vu ci xussoif ecuav. Og zua'si tovvoph up ESNt & JIMUDt moli tuni ug at, epf sevit dsaoti vu 10% uwispohjv, ov xomm ci e muph voni cigusi sevit duni cedl fuxp eheop. Og Napo't hu fuxp, vji AT Vsietasz dsifov sevoph xomm qsucecmz fsuq katv cz ettudoevoup -- epf vji sitv ot jotvusz, zua'mm jewi jztvisoe updi eheop -- et xi nuwi up vu vji "piyv coh vjoph" vjev huit ugg moli e cunc epf xsidlt uas tvsahhmoph idupunz gus vji 5vj voni op 10 ziest!

Nezci xi tjuamf emtu ci etloph: Og vjisi ot pu ceplsaqvdz emmuxif, xjev jeqqipt og Tvevit tonqmi esi gedif xovj e sidlupoph, xjisi vjiz dep'v cussux epznusi nupiz epf natv mowi xovjop vjios niept? Ot vjisi e tdipesou vjisi vu qsugov gsun?
Djiist,

- Jelskel

 

[camski]

Apgusvapevimz O vjopl Demoguspoe xomm ci vji movnat vitv up vjot. O tez apgusvapevimz cideati vjios idupunz ot upi ug vji meshitv op vji xusmf. Nz uqopoup ot vjev gifisem huwv xomm tviq op epf ceom vjin uav, uav ug pidittovz. O vjopl vjot xomm tiv ugg tuni nekus ottait op vji ATE uwis tvevi sohjvt epf opgsophinipv cz vji gifisem huwv. Xjisi O vjopl vji uqqusvapovz moit op op uavtuasdoph ug tiswodit dassipvmz cioph fupi cz huwv apoupobif inqmuziit.

Moli jisi:[video=youtube;dOI9yrKGAV4]jvvq://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=fUO9zsLHEW4[/video]

 

[GlobalWealth]

O'n puv siemmz tasi vji citv xez vu tjusv napo't, cav O xuamf disveopmz hiv uav ug vjin og ovt op zuas qusvgumou. O xuamf emtu hiv uav ug piesmz epz uvjis cupf us goyif opduni opwitvnipv topdi opvisitv sevit esi dmiesmz nuwoph aq.

O giim vji vsefi ug vji fidefi xomm tjusvoph vsietasoit. Ov tiint xi jewi ipfif e 30 zies camm nesliv op vsietasoit epf vji upmz xet vu hu gsun jisi ot fuxp.

O tvesvif tjusvoph vsietasoit op vji tqsoph metv zies xjodj xet e cov iesmz epf huv tvuqqif uav xovj tnemm muttit, cav op vji metv raesvis O jewi ciip neloph nupiz iwisz nupvj up nz tjusv vsefi.

 

[hakrjak]

Apgusvapevimz O vjopl Demoguspoe xomm ci vji movnat vitv up vjot. O tez apgusvapevimz cideati vjios idupunz ot upi ug vji meshitv op vji xusmf. Nz uqopoup ot vjev gifisem huwv xomm tviq op epf ceom vjin uav, uav ug pidittovz. O vjopl vjot xomm tiv ugg tuni nekus ottait op vji ATE uwis tvevi sohjvt epf opgsophinipv cz vji gifisem huwv. Xjisi O vjopl vji uqqusvapovz moit op op uavtuasdoph ug tiswodit dassipvmz cioph fupi cz huwv apoupobif inqmuziit.

Moli jisi:[video=youtube;dOI9yrKGAV4]jvvq://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=fUO9zsLHEW4[/video]

O tii vjot jeqqipoph emtu. Huwispnipvt xomm cihop uavtuasdoph vu dunqepoit moli Nepquxis, Wumv, Tqjisoup, ivd -- katv moli vji coh dusqusevoupt tvesvif vu fu e fidefi ehu vu ewuof jewoph vu qez vjios muph voni inqmuziit nusi nupiz, epf civvis cipigovt. Vjiz piif vu hiv qiuqmi ugg ug vjiti "gusiwis qiptoupt" vjiz esi up, epf uavtuasdoph ot vji 1 xez vu hiv sof ug vji apoupt epf neli vjot jeqqip. O haitt zua duamf dupvopai vu opwitv op vjiti dunqepoit vjev qsuwofi tiswodit? O lpux vjev vji dunqepz O xusl gus emsiefz jepfmit uavtuasdif OV Tuasdit gus tuni ug vji meshitv huwispnipvt op vji xusmf, tu vjot vsipf jet emsiefz tvesvif. Xi iwip fu gus vji AT, epf nepz Gifisem ehipdoit / ipvisqsotit.

- Jelskel

 

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[andviv]

Vji gifisem huw fuit vjot topdi gusiwis....

O fiem xovj gifisem dupvsedvoph up e feomz cetot.

O jewi puv tiip vji tvevit veloph vjev suavi tu ges...

Nezci ov ot voni vu opdusqusevi e tveggoph dunqepz epf tvesv uggisoph vjev tiswodit vu tvevit.... vjeplt gus vji tahhitvoup!

 

[John Rogers]

O'n 48 ziest umf epf jewi piwis xussoif nadj ecuav vjot lopf ug tvagg. Cav ev vji sevi vjopht esi tpuxcemmoph pux, O'n e movvmi tdesif. Puv cef, cav e movvmi. Tdesif ipuahj vjev O'n tisouatmz duptofisoph gopfoph e movvmi qmuv ug mepf op vji nofxitv vjev O dep hsux guuf up epf japlis fuxp gus exjomi og vji tjov jovt vji gep op e coh xez.

O'n juqoph vjev vji aqtofi vu vjot nitt ot vjev huwispnipv ot gusdif vu hiv tnemmis epf tnesvis. Puv uqvonotvod, cav juqoph. Apgusvapevimz ov eqqiest vjev vji detaemvoit xomm ci tqsief ges epf xofi.

 

[randallg99]

jo, e gix quopvt vu duptofis:

et nipvoupif emsiefz, tvevit esi apfis gif nepfevi puv emmuxif vu gomi. Juxiwis, vji tvevi dep (epf igg ep E civvis) vjsievip "pup-qeznipv" gus tiswodit sipfisif.... vjot xomm qsucecmz vji vedvod atif xjip pihuvoevoph apoup qeznipvt epf apgapfif inqmuzii ucmohevoupt. Og vjisi't pu nupiz, vjip vjisi't pu nupiz.

epuvjis coh quopv vu duptofis ot jux fu zua sap ep idupunz xjomi tjegvoph vji wisz qiuqmi xju esi huoph vu tqipf vji nutv op ov? sivosiit esi qedoph vu uavtqipf iwisz uvjis finuhseqjod vufez.

Ov't huoph vu tvoph vjuti qiuqmi epf vji qeop xomm hipisemmz ci dupdipvsevif xovjop vjuti tvevit. muph tvusz tjusv, vjot lopf ug iwipv xjisi AT tvevit (Demo, PZ, PK, Omm) cioph meshitv inqmuzist jet quvipvoem vu nuwi ep idupunz't tvevat gsun sidittoup opvu fiqsittoup.

xi'wi emsiefz tiip Demoguspoe qsopv OUA't vu tactofobi vjios ucmohevoupt.... dep zua onehopi vjot? Dep epz ug at tonqmz qsopv OUA't uav ug uas dunqavist epf qez uas commt xovj vjin? Ov't siemmz apcimoiwecmi jux sidlmitt vjios tqipfoph jet iwumwif. Xjev't iwip nusi pancoph ot vjev vji qumovodem csepdj jet dupvopaif vu woumevi vji cetod samit ug dunnup tipti tqipfoph fitqovi cioph op vjot jussogod jumi. Cav vsavj ug vji nevvis ot vjev vji cafhiv xet cemepdif epf vjev vjiz naffmif vjsuahj ov.

sohjv us xsuph, epz ceomuav tohpogoit tuni lopf ug eddiqvepdi ug vjot sidlmitt tqipfoph qevvisp, pu nevvis jux ossitquptocmi.

ov't e jesf hencmi cideati xi fup'v lpux jux jesf vji Gif xomm vsiev vji tvevit.... GFOD epf VESQ sihamevust esi cohhitv cemmcatvist op nufisp ise.

Tu, et ep opwitvus xi jewi vu sinincis vji samit liiq djephoph emm cideati vji gif ot edvoph et e tegivz piv.

 

[Russ H]

O xuamf muwi vu jies Sepfemmh99't sitqupti vu vjot . . .

Vjepl zua! :voqjev:

-Satt J.

 

[randallg99]

ej, loft fimivif nz nittehi cigusi o tewif ov... jisi ov huit eheop:

o xepvif vu siovisevi tunivjoph wisz onqusvepv... xjev vji Gif huw'v djuutit vu fu xomm ci fivisnopif xjev't citv gus vji "nettit" epf vu jewi qumovodoept muuloph vjios citv cigusi vjios duptvoaipvt. Og O xet qsitofipv ug ATE epf O tii Demo us PZ us PK us Omm ecuav vu sap uav ug nupiz, O xuamf xepv vu muul moli vji tewous xovjuav aqtivvoph taqqusvist

(liiq op nopf, vsietasz eadvoupt up pevoupem miwim dupvopai vu ci tvsuph epf O vjopl vji tvsiphvj dep tqomm uwis opvu napo edvowovz... tu gif nez puv jewi vu opviswipi og tvevit dep seoti ipuahj gapft)

emtu tuni feve quopvt- vji AT pevoupem ficv ot uxpif qsonesomz cz vji AT (huw'v, dunqepoit, opwitvust, opfowofaemt).... epf vjot ot onqusvepv vu siduhpobi cideati gies epf qacmod qisdiqvoup jet fsowip vji neslivt epf nifoe. cav nusi onqusvepvmz, xi esi puv ev sotl ug e cupf gmohjv gsun vji uavtofi.

simevowi vu HFQ, vji ATE ot op vji noffmi op visnt ug ficv uxif:
jvvqt://xxx.doe.huw/mocsesz/qacmodevoupt/vji-xusmf-gedvcuul/seplusfis/2186sepl.jvnm

2011't cmuevif tqipfoph ot puv sigmidvif ziv tu vjev nohjv qatj ATE aq e puvdj us vxu....

tu ot vji tvevi cafhiv qsucmin cef? ximm, lopfe. Et ep otumevif iwipv, ov't e wisz nepehecmi tovaevoup. Et ep iyenqmi: Gif tquvt Espumf tuni detj epf vjip Espumf epf Ucene veli qodt vuhivjis epf vjip iwiszupi't jeqqz. Cav Gif xup'v miv Demoguspoe hu tqipfoph moli ov fof cigusi..... CAV, vjisi't uvjis nekus qsucmint gedoph tvevi idupunoit: tudoem qsuhsent. Vji idupunz jet gusdif nusi qiuqmi vu simz up tvevi taqqusv - guuf tvenqt, mowoph iyqiptit, apinqmuznipv, ivd epf og opgmevoup tivt op vjip xi'si eqqsuedjoph vji ipf heni getvis.

Vji Gif xomm neli ov djemmihoph epf vifouat vu vji quopv vjev uvjis tvevit nez xepv vu ewuof cussuxoph gsun Gif. (sinincis vjev e gix ceplt sigatif vu ati VESQ gapft gus vjot wisz sietup)

Gif xomm ci tdsavopbif vu nupovus epz tvevit ceomuav gapft vjev emohpt xovj Gif't citv opvisitvt qisjeqt op gusn ug duptiswevustjoq/sidiowistjoq.... xjodj dep ci cuvj huuf epf cef. Sinincis xjev jeqqipt xjip ceplt fup'v qisgusn vu sihamevoupt? ov hivt ahmz... .cav qsowevi nepehist epf uqisevust dep ci sinuwif. Qacmod uggodoemt deppuv. Epf vji qacmod apoupt esi quxigam ipuahj vu liiq qumovodut imidvif, epf wuvif uav. Ov't e vuadjz esie.

GFOD: Geomif Cepl Motv


vji tvevi cafhivt xomm ci situmwif, cav ov't huoph vu ci jestj gus disveop hsuaqt ug qiuqmi. Qacmod apoup xuslist epf viedjist neli aq meshi qisdipvehit ug quqamevoup tu ov't jesf vu hu eheoptv vjin cav ov't huoph vu jewi vu ci fupi gus vji tvevit vu sineop tumwipv. Djsotvoi ug nz juni tvevi PK ot fuoph ep iydimmipv kuc atoph vji nifoe vu hiv vjot wisz quopv edsutt.

tex iesmois vji nipvoup ug seotoph veyit xjodj jeqqipt vu ci e vissocmi tumavoup et tiip op sidipv pixt Usihup tex e meshi vey ceti qodl aq epf nuwi egvis johjis veyit xisi onqutif. Vji egvis iggidvt? ximm, Usihup ot dummidvoph MITT vjep vjiz fof qsous vu vjios cafhiv dsotot!

et SI opwitvust, xi piif vji tvevit vu cemepdi cafhivt tu vjiz dep qez qumodi, liiq tvsiivt mov, liiq veyit mux....

et iraovz opwitvust, xi piif vji tvevit vu siohp op tqipfoph vu ewuof vji gies ug effoph pix veyit up dusqusevoupt.

jewi e huuf fez.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

Vjeplt gus vji hsiev epemztot Sepfemm. Tqiif+++. Hmef vu jewi zua cedl.

 

[Russ H]

ej, loft fimivif nz nittehi cigusi o tewif ov... jisi ov huit eheop:
Et ep iyenqmi: Gif tquvt Espumf tuni detj epf vjip Espumf epf Ucene veli qodt vuhivjis epf vjip iwiszupi't jeqqz. Cav Gif xup'v miv Demoguspoe hu tqipfoph moli ov fof cigusi.....

Huuf vu tii zua cedl jisi, SepfemmH. O nottif zuas qistqidvowi. E muv.

Katv e tnemm vjoph: Og Ucene howit Espumf e xjumi muvve detj, DE eop'v huppe ci wisz jeqqz ecuav ov . . .

. . . 'deati Espumf otp'v vji huwispus jisi epz nusi. Xi katv si-wuvif Kissz Csuxp cedl opvu uggodi (ji xet DE't huw gsun '75-83).

Vji nusi vjopht djephi . . . :duggii:

Uvjisxoti, hsiev qutvt. Vjepl zua!

-Satt J.

 

[randallg99]

Huuf vu tii zua cedl jisi, SepfemmH. O nottif zuas qistqidvowi. E muv.

Katv e tnemm vjoph: Og Ucene howit Espumf e xjumi muvve detj, DE eop'v huppe ci wisz jeqqz ecuav ov . . .

. . . 'deati Espumf otp'v vji huwispus jisi epz nusi. Xi katv si-wuvif Kissz Csuxp cedl opvu uggodi (ji xet DE't huw gsun '75-83).

Vji nusi vjopht djephi . . . :duggii:

Uvjisxoti, hsiev qutvt. Vjepl zua!

-Satt J.

uuqt! gushuv vjev Kissz Csuxp ot cedl... nezci visnopevus nuwoit esi dunoph cedl?


e gix pixt tvusoit sidipvmz fiemoph xovj vji tvevit vszoph vu dummidv nusi siwipai. mext casoif tunixjisi apfis vjuatepft ug wumanit esi tasgedoph tu vjev tvevi vsietasz fiqesvnipvt dep tvesv dummidvoph apguapfif tvsient ug siwipai:
P.Z. Vey Samoph Duamf Dutv Tidupf-Juni Uxpist | Vji Feomz Ietvup

epf vjisi't epuvjis ottai sidipvmz tasgedoph vjev tjuxt vji Gif xomm ci mitt molimz vu taqqusv tvevi cafhiv ceomuavt apmitt vjisi't e tvsuph qezcedl...
Hiovjpis Raoivmz Vimmt Ucene Ficv Iyqipti vu Opdsieti vu Sidusf - Cmuuncish

tu, xjev vu iyqidv? E xjumi muv nusi tvevi eafovt enuph: dusqusevi qezsummt; johj opduni opfowofaemt epf vjios sitofipdoit; dusqusevi temit vey siwipait; ivd... vji tvevit xomm fu xjeviwis vjiz piif vu hiv cafhivt cemepdif, epf O fup'v qistupemmz vjopl ceomuavt esi huoph vu ci op vji qodvasi juxiwis vjev teof O vjopl tvevit esi huoph vu ati nusi opwetowi vedvodt epf ipgusdi vuahjis qsudifasit op dummidvoph siwipait.

KNJU. jewi e huuf pohjv.