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Dealing with porn and other addictions

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I searched for porn addiction on this forum and only found two threads that weren't particularly relevant, so forgive me if I missed something.

I need help and advice. I have an addictive personality, mostly to porn, but occasionally to video games or internet surfing.

The thing is, I KNOW that I can build something bigger if I could get my head straight, but I always end up sabotaging myself.

For example, I will work on a project for 2-3 months, make a good chunk of money, then get stuck on addictions for the next 6 months. It's not like I'm even traveling, enjoying new hobbies, or whatever during those 6 months. I'm being a lazy a$$ surfing porn or playing games all day, getting fat to boot.

I have a long history with this. I'm self-employed at the moment, but when I was in the workforce, I basically worked insanely hard for 1-2 years to get a great job, then coasted for another 5-6 years doing the bare minimum once I got that job.

Whenever I bust my a$$, things work out, but I can't stay on track for long. I always end up losing motivation or getting distracted. The next time I have to start from scratch again.

I started a new project at the end of last year that was an amazing success, surprising even me. But then I loafed around for the next four months. I'm tired of this cycle, and I've tried to break it before, but I keep going back to the same old shit.

Has anyone else been in the same boat? How did you deal with your addiction, whether porn or something else? Any advice specifically for porn/sex addicts?

Yeah, I know, I should be able to just "stop it" and grow up, be a man. But I can't. I'm weak, a loser. Maybe I'm defective. How do I get stronger?
 
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Not sure how calling yourself weak and a loser is going to help anything. Watch your self-talk.

In regard to porn, I read somewhere that the three keys that make a porn use habit difficult to break (besides the biochemical/dopamine effects, which are massive) are 1. affordability (it is free) 2. accessibility (just need an internet connection) and 3. it is anonymous. To break the cycle, you need to take out one of those three. Affordability and accessiblity aren't going away, so you need to focus on an anonymity. The way to do that is to use an accountability type program with a trusted friend. You can install something on your computer that shares your internet history with that trusted friend. When you know your use of porn will not be anonymous, you are much less likely to use it. There are a number of competing software programs out there. Google it. Good luck!
 

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Addiction is our attempt at making up for a lack of human connection/connection to the universe.

Addiction is the inverse of connection.

Get yourself a girlfriend.
 
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I would advise you to create a habit which allows you to do High Intensity exercise every day. Back in the day I also had issues controlling my sexual energy. Pixels kill the brain. Now I have a routine which really helps. I run/sprint 1.5 miles every single day (unless I'm feeling overtrained I'm no ironman). In addition to that, I also lift weights regularly 6 out of 7 days.

The result of my habit is more mental clarity and I feel better, both in the way I look and how my body responds throughout the day. Very rarely do I feel any stress because my routine clears all of it. Whenever I really want to be with a girl I'm able to catch something on Tinder or Bumble for a night.

I have been reading tons of threads in this forum since I got here a week back. Most of those young entrepreneurs between 20-31 years of age sacrifice the early years building a system (and finding the right product or service) they can scale by adding employees so that they can generate enough income to create the lifestyle they want.

At least you have built some projects and made some money. Get your priorities straight and within a year or two you can probably be mentoring some people in here.
 

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Hey man, I feel your pain. I took a test for some anti-porn site to prove to myself whether I was "Addicted" to it or not. The test came back and proved that I wasn't and that I wasn't even fit for their rehab program.

I would share the link, but I don't know what the site was called. Just Google something like "porn addiction test" and see what you find.

Best thing you can do is just try cold turkey and see how long you can go. I'd start by skipping a few days, once you can prove to yourself you have enough discipline to get over the instant gratification, aim for a week. Then two. Then three. Rinse and repeat.

If you can go a month, I'd say you're not addicted and that it's all in your head. I did the same thing for alcohol AND porn.

The r/NoFap community also is pretty helpful and has some decent resources for overcoming the need to touch oneself.

My issue is that my motivation to go out and find dates and hit on girls is dialed up to 11. And I feel like it distracts me from actually focusing on whats important to me. As I get consumed by it. So I haven't completely given up porn yet myself.

But it's a lot like junk food, you know its not really good for you but it's fine if you can use it in moderation.

It's already proven that your testosterone isn't actually affected by porn and masturbation. It's really all about those precious endorphins.

If you really want to quit, you have to convince yourself. The rest of us can only offer our own advice based on our personal experience. But it's possible.
 
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I searched for porn addiction on this forum and only found two threads that weren't particularly relevant, so forgive me if I missed something.

I need help and advice. I have an addictive personality, mostly to porn, but occasionally to video games or internet surfing.

The thing is, I KNOW that I can build something bigger if I could get my head straight, but I always end up sabotaging myself.

For example, I will work on a project for 2-3 months, make a good chunk of money, then get stuck on addictions for the next 6 months. It's not like I'm even traveling, enjoying new hobbies, or whatever during those 6 months. I'm being a lazy a$$ surfing porn or playing games all day, getting fat to boot.

I have a long history with this. I'm self-employed at the moment, but when I was in the workforce, I basically worked insanely hard for 1-2 years to get a great job, then coasted for another 5-6 years doing the bare minimum once I got that job.

Whenever I bust my a$$, things work out, but I can't stay on track for long. I always end up losing motivation or getting distracted. The next time I have to start from scratch again.

I started a new project at the end of last year that was an amazing success, surprising even me. But then I loafed around for the next four months. I'm tired of this cycle, and I've tried to break it before, but I keep going back to the same old shit.

Has anyone else been in the same boat? How did you deal with your addiction, whether porn or something else? Any advice specifically for porn/sex addicts?

Yeah, I know, I should be able to just "stop it" and grow up, be a man. But I can't. I'm weak, a loser. Maybe I'm defective. How do I get stronger?


If you don't want to you wont it's as simple as that really.

Does it hurt bad enough to not watch it? only then you will stop.

Even if you are addicted and dont want to watch it, if the pain it causes isnt bad enough you will anyway.

It is a distraction from some pain in your life really, and its a massive surge of dopamine giving you instant gratification.
 
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The best way to steer away from porn: Delete those bookmarks, clear your history and auto-complete history.
It's stupid, but it will make it slightly harder to get to your favorite sites.

Then, write a to-do list everyday. Make sure you cover all your free time with stuff to do. Bam, no more time wasted on porn and you become productive.

To me porn is like video games or TV, or any other addiction. People don't realize it, but any addiction is bad.
Somebody died from his peanut butter addiction. Some people died from drinking too much water (over-drinking liquids is a known addiction called Polydipsia)
 

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Delete those bookmarks, clear your history and auto-complete history.

Pretty sure he's not bookmarking his porn, and uses incognito non-history gathering pages... I mean I assume :wideyed:

Seriously though, I'm going to come back to this one, some good advice given already...
 

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Where I live, porn is blocked. And the only way to access it is either using proxies or VPNs. I deleted the VPN, but sometimes I fall back into it and use a proxy. I find that making it as difficult as possible to access porn is the best route to go. Make yourself work as hard as you possibly can to be able to watch it.

It's like setting up an alarm if you usually reach over and snooze it in the morning... that's bad. However, if you move the alarm a little further than you can reach, you might just get out of bed without going back to sleep.

If you have iOS, why don't you add parental controls or porn blocker? I believe they have features built-in in the general settings for things like this.
 
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Watch it everyday. Multiple times a day until you're bleeding down there. Spend hours of your life doing it. Keep going. Keep clicking. Just one more video. Brain feels wired but that's okay, one more won't kill you. Okay, this is the last one. Oh wait! What about that one down there. It looks interesting. Click. Keep going. Commitments I made to myself? others? I'll get to that later. It's not THAT important. Besides, I'm almost done here. I can stop, right? I can control myself if I needed to. Oh I missed something important? Well, I didn't really need to do that. Keep clicking. Next. Chasing that high that I vaguely remember that seems to slip my grasp. Maybe this one will do it. More extreme stuff. Desensitization.

Just F*cking stop it. You're worth more. Your life is important.

Quit that shit.

Stop letting your base primal instincts drive your life around and belittle your vision.

And if you stumble back later on, that's okay. Quit that shit again.

Anything worthwhile is worth trying for again.

You're worth it man. Your vision is worth it.

Same thing goes with gaming, unbridled entertainment, food, drugs, whatever
 

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@WhatsMyName , by any chance, do you have mercury amalgams or even root canal done? have you checked your iodine, magnesium, d3, zinc, and b12 levels? Have you checked for parasites, heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides levels? The reason why I am asking is because I used to be like you until I fix all of these issues. No amount of mental masturbation by watching videos, reading books, listening to audios on how to stop addiction will work IMO.
 

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You’ve got low self esteem because you think you’ve got a problem. You think you’re not good enough and it manifests itself as saying “I’ve got an addiction”.

I watch porn too. I also hookup with a lot of girls. I do what I want and don’t feel guilty for anything. I don’t apologize for anything. I don’t think anything I do is a problem. I just do what I want.

Your “worrying about your porn addiction” is just a distraction by itself. How are you going to achieve your dreams? That’s the question.
 

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Has anyone else been in the same boat? How did you deal with your addiction, whether porn or something else? Any advice specifically for porn/sex addicts?
If you read Atomic Habits, you might find that you do the 'negative things', like porn and so on, in certain areas and certain times, under certain conditions.

Rarely do you get into a pattern of behaviour that seemingly goes endlessly.

Now, I'm not into porn, but like most young folks, I still saw social media too regularly as I'd like to.

So, here's what I did. Think the following steps can still be helpful for you:

Start with a goal
Why do you want to kick the habit?
  • Is it to give you more time to work?
  • Is it to make you less lethargic? (I read on reddit that somehow, too much jacking off drains you of energy, because you do not 'release' in the regular way with a lady)
  • Is porn making you look bad before your family or someone else who looks up to you?
These are just some general ones.

Yours can be different. Something like an FTE for UNSCRIPTION.

For myself, I decided to kick the social media habit because I realised that if I really wanted to pull my own girl out of the SCRIPT, I had better act like the system was going to chew her whole and never give her back to me again.

- Write down how many times I logged onto social media to be more aware how much TIME I was wasting (I think there's software to track your online habits, so just google it up. I'm still old school with paper and pen)

You can use that software, and I hear some of them offer the option of actually SENDING the results to an accountability partner's emails. Here's a list of suggested websites:
https://www.robertweissmsw.com/reso...-softwares-for-use-in-sex-addiction-recovery/

I'll talk more on accountability later.

Continue tracking your hours, even as the porn habit goes away.

- Destroy the source.
If possible, delete apps.
If you are using a web proxy app to see porn without it registering on your browsing history, delete the app.

-Now, for the main battlefield...
Ask yourself the following:

Where do you watch porn?

Is it in the secrecy of your room? The toilet?

If you do most of your work, especially online, in those places, perhaps that is why you have a higher risk of being distracted by a place, which the brain has already linked both work and porn habits to.

Take your work outside to a library, cafe or public area. Away from the 'habit area'.

If you use a PC, or a phone, before you enter whatever place you do the habit, put it outside the room.
That will make it harder for you to reach for it, when your brain goes auto for the habit.

When do you watch porn?
I talked about this with some cell group members from church.

Usually if you are working, you will do it at night or in the evening.

The trick is to get busy during those times.
And I mean busy enough that you have to answer to a client or superior.

If you are working on a project, try tweaking the deadlines to be more stricter and closer, so you'd have no choice, but to work, work and work during those times.

For myself, I simply go write proposals for new Upwork clients, and spend more time educating myself on the relevant skills needed. There's always room to learn up on copywriting, marketing, accounting and web design.

If you want something more leisurely, perhaps scheduling sports or networking hours during those times can help.

Accountability
Get someone who you are comfortable with, can keep things private, and is always looking for ways to help you.

Send details of your daily progress to him/her, plus failures and possible strategies you can think of to act on these gaps.

Be brutally honest with what you are doing, and do not hide details from the partner.

If you still can't find anyone else, you can start a progress thread here to document your journey, but honestly, get an actual person face-to-face to makes it more tangible.

I have several partners for several areas, but my girl takes up most of them.

If you aren't sure of a format to arrange details of your progress with, for your accountability partner to look at and support you, here's a format I'm using to help me SOLIDIFY a habit to read my Bible regularly:
I'm reading the book of John BTW.

Time of reading: 9 am
Place of reading: On the morning commute, or waiting, or class break (during early morning lectures)

Passage of book:
First-time reading ideas:
Second-time reading ideas:

What I do not understand from first (or second) reading time:
What should I meditate/research/ask elders on:

What I learned from meditation/research/elders:

Does anything remind me of a past incident? Present?
Have I applied any lessons before? Never? Can I do it tomorrow? Today?

How can THESE lessons apply to YOU (my girl, considering she can learn a thing or two from the Holy Writ as well)


So I do a quick write-up and send it on the Whatsapp chat.


-Reward yourself
I feel most folks who fail to kick the habit ignore this.

Once you go a week past without porn, reward yourself.

There's many ways of rewarding yourself, from going for a (non-soft porn) movie, to having a dessert treat.

I prefer to have the reward of seeing my Upwork projects bloom, uncover a few new market insights on my Fastlane prospecting, learning something new, or meeting someone new, to encourage me to continue saving time away from social media.

For me, some of the usual rewards to encourage me to continue cutting the bad habit might be irrelevant to my true goals, so I had to realign them accordingly.

You can test and tweak the reward cycles to see what works for you.

EDIT:
For the accountability format, I'll put in a general one specifically for porn...

Time of habit:
Place of habit:

Goal of quitting habit (My Why?):
Number of days/weeks I didn't do porn:
What activity I put in to replace porn habit:
Where did I go to avoid 'habit place':

Why did I fail today, if I did:
What triggered it:
When did it trigger:
What can I do tomorrow to deal with it:

What short-term rewards I enjoyed to motivate me (e.g. good food, good movie):
 
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Man, there is quite the spectrum of opinion being thrown around here...

I have a close friend who works at a non-profit that specializes in porn addiction and removing unwanted sexual behavior.

The biggest thing I have learned is that PORN IS ALMOST ALWAYS A WAY TO MEDICATE negative emotions. It feels good and it's easy. Some people medicate with porn, some with food, alcohol, video games, etc.

I have found myself in a similar cycle to you, where I am able to focus and work very hard for a limited amount of time, but then I burn out. And when you burn out, the more you want things to feel good and be easy.

My advice to you is to find a counselor (and maybe some close friends/family) and talk through your emotions and life circumstances. I used to think counseling was only for weak-minded people. But the truth is that nobody was raised perfectly from childhood. We all have more to learn about ourselves and especially how to openly and safely talk about our emotions and the hard things in life.

If you want something to read as well, I would recommend Unwanted by Jay Stringer
 

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The biggest thing I have learned is that PORN IS ALMOST ALWAYS A WAY TO MEDICATE negative emotions. It feels good and it's easy. Some people medicate with porn, some with food, alcohol, video games, etc.
Some medicate by doing Fastlane haha.

By all means do the counselling.

The counsellor may be able to help you craft an optimal habits schedule, saving you time from trial and error to see what works, as I did.
 

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When kicking a habit, I find there are really two things to do:

1) Keep busy
2) Think of overcoming it will only take 30 days not your lifetime

First --- keep busy ---

We slip into destructive habits when we're idle i.e. we don't have something productive to do. Eating bad, not exercising, porn, watching too much TV or playing too many video games...

All those stem from not planning out your schedule. You plan out your schedule when you have goals to hit, no matter how small.

How ---> create urgency.

Set a goal ---> I will do X by Y date (business goal is best). You'll become obsessed with accomplishing that goal, before you know it, it's been a week since you did your destructive habit. Etc.

For me (and I'm not the best at this), I plan out what I need to get done every week and every day. That includes time for exercise, time for reading, time for wife/kids. The day goes by much faster that you end up having no time for bad habits.

Second --- OVERCOMING ---

Getting over bad habits is daunting because we can't see the end of the tunnel. So, we're discouraged. We beat ourselves up.

Here's the thing...

After about 14-21 days, your body gets into a groove with your new routine.

For me, I'm addicted to carbs. Pizza and ice cream please.

I started (January 2019) with a diet of eating just 1,250 calories per day. There's no way to eat pizza and ice cream on that diet.

The first 14 days are brutal. You're starving. It's terrible. After 2 weeks, though, your body adjusts.

Now, I usually just eat dinner and a snack after dinner. No breakfast. No lunch. Sometimes, I'm not even hungry by dinner time, but I eat to nourish myself.

Today, I can barely eat 3 pieces of pizza. I will only eat about a cup of ice cream before I just throw the rest away. Before, I'd eat a whole 8 pieces. Before, I'd literally eat a pint of ice cream (1250-2000 calories) in 20 minutes on top of 3 meals per day.

Down 22 lbs.

Don't look at your "lifetime" of overcoming porn. Know that after just 2-3 weeks, you'll be strong enough to resist more and more. If you fall off, push through those first 14 days and know it gets easier.
 
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Thanks to everyone who replied. There are so many diverse replies that I'm not even sure what to do next...

My main takeaway is that I need to find and deal with the root cause, whether that's shame, frustration, anger, past history, medical issue, whatever.

Kind of a stupid thought I had. Not sure if relevant.

I know how to give other people value. That's how I make money. I help out other people all the time. I have friends, girlfriends, whatever. Never had a problem with forming relationships per se.

However, I have always felt that I get little from others in return. It's always give, give, give. I don't get much back.

But...

I realized just now that I don't even know how to give myself real value. So why would I expect anyone else to?

I need to figure out how to make myself feel good, like genuinely. Sounds kind of stupid, but I don't actually know how to do that. Or maybe things that make other people happy don't actually make me happy. Will think about it. Try stuff.

Thanks all.
 

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Once every 1-2 weeks, go to a bar with your friends and try to talk to a girl that you would've watched a porn video of. After you get turned down, remember that when you go home. Then use that as motivation to become a better person.

You're getting fat. You're being lazy. You're content because you get the daily high of instant gratification.

Go out there. Embarrass yourself a little. Then use your "addiction" as motivation.
 

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My main takeaway is that I need to find and deal with the root cause, whether that's shame, frustration, anger, past history, medical issue, whatever.

For most people, the root cause is low self-esteem.

My bet is that you're afraid of success, so instead of actually being successful, you rather trick your brain short-term into thinking that it is.
 
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For most people, the root cause is low self-esteem.

My bet is that you're afraid of success, so instead of actually being successful, you rather trick your brain short-term into thinking that it is.

For me, the root cause was isolation. I believe it is for most. Self-esteem is a symptom of being socially and mentally adjusted. A compass of sorts.
We live in a world where our work & life might have no meaning. Make it about something. Connect with your environment.

OP certainly you've realized that porn is a PsyOp. It's a PsyOp to isolate you.
 

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Just F*cking stop it.

Stop letting your base primal instincts drive your life around and belittle your vision.

Oh just stop, why didn't the OP think of that? Sorry for the sarcasm, but this is equivalent to telling someone to just do better, it doesn't help because it's not that easy to just stop, I think that's why he was asking for our help... Apart from that I did actually like the first part of your post, you absolutely nailed the thought process of addiction.

I need help and advice. I have an addictive personality, mostly to porn, but occasionally to video games or internet surfing.

I think @ZF Lee's advice is pretty damn golden and I can't add much to that, except to say buy Atomic Habits by James Clear, he gives great advice on starting good new habits, and getting rid of old bad ones.
 

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A very interesting thread, thank you. I applaud your courage for sharing what many would consider a very sensitive subject.

In Think and Grow Rich, Napoleon Hill has a chapter on what he calls sex transmutation. He talks about how most successful people are also highly sexed people that have learned to "transmute" that energy into success oriented activities. For some this is unconscious, for others it takes concerted effort. From your post, comments by others and my own experiences, I believe there is truth to this. Which leads me to following suggestion...

Don't look upon your addiction as a weakness and lower your self esteem. Instead focus on turning that addiction into the strength it is. Many suggested reading Atomic Habits. I completely agree. Recognize that when you turn that energy to success activities you're rocking it. Channel those successes for the "feel" good. A counselor may be useful to help you better manage the focusing of your energies. But please don't consider yourself a loser or weak. Like all of us, you're human.
 

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