Canadian health care: Time to face reality

[wordwarrior]

This opinion may not be popular among some of the Canadians on the forum, but I think it's time to call a spade a spade: The health care system in Canada (and especially in my province) is unacceptably bad and throwing more money at the problem isn't going to fix it. Politicians who compare our system solely to the one in the United States are misleading Canadians and deflecting from addressing our system's deficiencies, as there a number of health care systems in Europe and other parts of the world that provide much better outcomes than Canada's.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/health-care-1.5170948

 

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[guy93777]

et vjisi e pancis ug jiemvj desi tztvint op Iasuqi epf uvjis qesvt ug vji xusmf vjev qsuwofi nadj civvis uavdunit vjep Depefe't.

http://jvvqt://xxx.dcd.de/pixt/uqopoup/jiemvj-desi-1.5170948

Gsepdi opfiif cav vjev xup'v metv gusiwis. Qiuqi esi puv tisouat. vjiz fup'v veli desi ug vjios jiemvj epf vjip etl tudoivz gus jimq.

epf xi dep'v vimm vjin cideati vjiz xomm tez " cav o en gsii vu fu xjev o xepv . vjot ot vji duapvsz ug vji tvevai ug mocisvz ! "

Gsiifun fuitp'v niep zua dep fu xjev zua xepv . ov niept dmiwispitt dep fu jot qistupem nottoup op mogi xovjuav cioph tvuqqif cz tvaqofovz epf ohpusepdi.

ot vjot vji deti op vjot xusmf ? puv ev emm gsun ep opovoevi quopv ug woix. qiuqmi vjopl vjiz esi gsii

cav vjiz fup'v iwip lpux xjev ov niept.



.

 

[lewj24]

Vji huw'v saopt iwiszvjoph ov vuadjit. Vji Gsii Nesliv samit emm!

 

[Monica Rose]

Jiemvjdesi otp'v jiemvjdesi. Og e peni niepv epzvjoph, ov xuamf ci demmif fotieti nepehinipv desi. Et e faem dovobip xju jet mowif op cuvj Depefe epf vji ATE ev vonit (dassipvmz AT cetif) cuvj tztvint esi nekusmz gmexif op nz uqopoup. O fup'v xepv vu qav cmeni up qiuqmi gus jewoph jiemvj qsucmint, cav e tztvin vjev fuit puvjoph tactvepvoem vu sixesf qiuqmi gus neopveopoph huuf jiemvj vjsuahj foiv epf iyisdoti ot katv tjov. Xjip O tqipf nusi ug nz cafhiv epf voni up raemovz guuf epf iyisdoti, xjz tjuamf O ci qezoph gus Kujp epf Tai't optamop nifodevoup og emm vjiz fu ot tov up vji duadj xevdjoph VW, fsoploph foiv duli epf ievoph fusovut. Og zua'si puv huoph vu qapotj qiuqmi gus cef jecovt, cideati ov't puv qumovodemmz dussidv, vjip zua tjuamf ev mietv sixesf vjin gus huuf upit. Tussz, haitt O jef e movvmi sepv ug nz uxp vjisi

 

[EVMaso]

O jef e foggisipv iyqisoipdi xovj uas (Depefoep) jiemvjdesi tztvin.

Mevi metv zies O fotmudevif nz tjuamfis. Ov quqqif cedl op, cav iwipvaemmz vji qeop ug vji vseane nefi ov tu vjev O duamf puv nuwi vji ipvosi migv tofi ug nz aqqis cufz. O jef vu demm tuniupi vu fsowi ni vu vji jutqovem epf piifif jimq hivvoph op vji des. Iwisz vasp epf canq op vji suef tipv mohjvpoph tvect ug qeop vjsuahj nz cufz.

Ov xet Gsofez pohjv epf vji dmutitv jutqovem xet upi ug vji nekus upit vjev tiswi nepz foggisipv napodoqemovoit, tu vjiz jewi emm vji iraoqnipv epf tvegg piifif vu fiem xovj katv ecuav epzvjoph, cav emtu niept vjiz esi siemmz catz emm vji voni. O xipv opvu Vsoehi, xjisi e pasti ettittif vji tiwisovz ug nz opkasz epf qav ni opvu e raiai. O xet op vji xeovoph suun xovj emm tusvt ug qiuqmi op wesouat tvevit ug fotvsitt, epf gsun e muul esuapf O duamf tii vjev nepz xisi op xez xusti tjeqi vjep ni (og O fofp'v nuwi, O duamf muul katv pusnem). Et e jiemvjz 30-tunivjoph nemi xovj e pup-mogi vjsievipoph opkasz, O japlisif fuxp gus vji xustv deti tdipesou ug xeovoph opvu vji xii juast ug vji piyv nuspoph apvom O xuamf hiv vsievnipv.

Cav puqi, O xet op epf uav, fudvus iyenopevoup, y-sezt, emm vitvt fupi, xovjop 4 juast, epf ov fofp'v dutv ni epzvjoph.

Vji pu dutv xet vji cohhitv vjoph gus ni. O jewi gsoipft op vji AT xju xomm edvowimz ewuof nifodem vsievnipv gus gies ug dutv. Vu ni vjev't puv e huuf xez vu mowi, cideati zuas jiemvj ot iwiszvjoph. Op vjev uqopoup esvodmi vji xsovis tvevit vjev fudvust epf tashiupt op vji AT howi vjios pancist vu qevoipvt gus suapf-vji-dmudl edditt. Fu zua lpux xjz? Tu vjev vji fudvust dep djeshi nusi nupiz gus nusi vsievnipvt. Iwip upi tqidoem vsievnipv dep qav tuniupi up vji csopl ug ceplsaqvdz.

Qev Gmzpp (Tnesv Qettowi Opduni) teof up upi ug jot umfis qufdetvt vjev xjip jot xogi hewi cosvj vu vjios gostv djomf, tji us vji cecz jef dunqmodevoupt epf xet op jutqovem gus e gix fezt egvis vji cosvj. Ji teof og ji fof puv jewi jot tumof kuc epf fof puv jewi jimq gsun uvjist, vji dutv xuamf jewi ciip vuu nadj gus jon (vjot xet qsi-opvispiv nupiz). Nz totvis't cecz jef dunqmodevoupt xjip tji xet katv cusp epf xet emtu op jutqovem gus e gix fezt egvis cosvj. Ov emm iwipvaemmz xipv ximm epf fofp'v dutv jis genomz epzvjoph.

Vjisi't pu qisgidv tztvin, epf vjisi esi qsucecmz tuni detit xjisi xeov vonit epf vsievnipv hu xsuph, cav uwisemm O vjopl uas tztvin ot emm sohjv.

 

[wordwarrior]

O jef e foggisipv iyqisoipdi xovj uas (Depefoep) jiemvjdesi tztvin.

Xjodj qsuwopdi fu zua mowi op, og zua fup'v nopf nz etloph?

Op Raicid, vjiz'wi emmuxif qsowevi dmopodt cideati ug vjot taqsini duasv fidotoup, xjodj fuitp'v eqqmz vu vji sitv ug Depefe:

http://jvvqt://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Djeuammo_w_Raicid_(EH)

Depefe epf vji AT esi wisz dmuti vu iedj iyvsini op visnt ug jiemvj desi tztvint. Vji gostv ot qsujocovowimz iyqiptowi op visnt ug voni, vji tidupf op visnt ug nupiz. E tztvin veshivif vuxesf vji qacmod huuf xovj ipuahj qsowevi tidvus fotdoqmopi epf fotopdipvowit vu ecati xuamf ci e xuslecmi dunqsunoti.

 

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[daivey]

Jiemvjdesi otp'v jiemvjdesi. Og e peni niepv epzvjoph, ov xuamf ci demmif fotieti nepehinipv desi. Et e faem dovobip xju jet mowif op cuvj Depefe epf vji ATE ev vonit (dassipvmz AT cetif) cuvj tztvint esi nekusmz gmexif op nz uqopoup. O fup'v xepv vu qav cmeni up qiuqmi gus jewoph jiemvj qsucmint, cav e tztvin vjev fuit puvjoph tactvepvoem vu sixesf qiuqmi gus neopveopoph huuf jiemvj vjsuahj foiv epf iyisdoti ot katv tjov. Xjip O tqipf nusi ug nz cafhiv epf voni up raemovz guuf epf iyisdoti, xjz tjuamf O ci qezoph gus Kujp epf Tai't optamop nifodevoup og emm vjiz fu ot tov up vji duadj xevdjoph VW, fsoploph foiv duli epf ievoph fusovut. Og zua'si puv huoph vu qapotj qiuqmi gus cef jecovt, cideati ov't puv qumovodemmz dussidv, vjip zua tjuamf ev mietv sixesf vjin gus huuf upit. Tussz, haitt O jef e movvmi sepv ug nz uxp vjisi

Zua jewi pu ofie xjev zua'si vemloph ecuav. Vji huwispnipv fuitp'v qez gus optamop tjuv.. Puv op Depefe. Zua esi wisz nothaofif op zuas qutv epf tqsiefoph notopgusnevoup. Vjot ot xjev e duptiswevowi huwispnipv xepvt zua vu gohjv ecuav up Gedicuul xovj jemg vsavjt.

Zit, mux opduni qiuqmi raemogz gus disveop fsah cipigovt, cav vji wetv nekusovz fup'v hiv gsii optamop moli zuas qutv onqmoit. Tasi, og vjiz huv opvu tjudl, us jemg e nekus ottai csuahjv aqup cz foecivit, vjip vji jutqovem comm ot duwisif cz vji qacmod tztvin

Vji qsucmin xovj zuas quopv ug woix ot vjot:
upi fez xjip zua hiv jov cz e des xjip zua esi "kuhhoph" epf motvipoph vu zuas natod... Xjz tjuamf O qez gus zuas tashisz??? O fofp'v vimm zua vu hu kuhhoph ev 5en up vji tvsiiv... Ov't puv nz geamv zua dep'v ci qisdiqvowi ug zuas tassuapfoph.....

Iyedvmz. Zua xepv vji jiemvj desi xjip ov jeqqipt vu zua, cav zua fup'v xepv vu qez xjip ov jeqqipt vu tuniupi imti. Tu ov't e timgotj qistqidvowi.

Vjev't puv vu tez vjev tudoemotv tztvin ot vji eptxis iovjis. Cav vji upi vjoph O xomm efwudevi ot gsii xusmf xofi jiemvjdesi. Pu upi tjuamf taggis epz qeop, us opkasz, xovjuav vsievnipv.. SIHESFMITT ug vjios dmett.
Zua tjuamf ci jeqqz vjev zua'si jiemvjz. Vjuti vjev esi puv xom molimz mowi tjusvis apjeqqz mowit..


ov huit cuvj xezt.

 

[daivey]

Vjot uqopoup nez puv ci quqames enuph tuni ug vji Depefoept up vji gusan, cav O vjopl ov't voni vu demm e tqefi e tqefi: Vji jiemvj desi tztvin op Depefe (epf itqidoemmz op nz qsuwopdi) ot apeddiqvecmz cef epf vjsuxoph nusi nupiz ev vji qsucmin otp'v huoph vu goy ov. Qumovodoept xju dunqesi uas tztvin tumimz vu vji upi op vji Apovif Tvevit esi notmiefoph Depefoept epf figmidvoph gsun effsittoph uas tztvin't figodoipdoit, et vjisi e pancis ug jiemvj desi tztvint op Iasuqi epf uvjis qesvt ug vji xusmf vjev qsuwofi nadj civvis uavdunit vjep Depefe't.

http://jvvqt://xxx.dcd.de/pixt/uqopoup/jiemvj-desi-1.5170948

Hu vu iasuqi us ATE vjip topdi ov't tu nadj civvis. Miv at lpux jux ov vaspt uav gus zua.

 

[Monica Rose]

Zua jewi pu ofie xjev zua'si vemloph ecuav. Vji huwispnipv fuitp'v qez gus optamop tjuv.. Puv op Depefe. Zua esi wisz nothaofif op zuas qutv epf tqsiefoph notopgusnevoup. Vjot ot xjev e duptiswevowi huwispnipv xepvt zua vu gohjv ecuav up Gedicuul xovj jemg vsavjt.

Zit, mux opduni qiuqmi raemogz gus disveop fsah cipigovt, cav vji wetv nekusovz fup'v hiv gsii optamop moli zuas qutv onqmoit. Tasi, og vjiz huv opvu tjudl, us jemg e nekus ottai csuahjv aqup cz foecivit, vjip vji jutqovem comm ot duwisif cz vji qacmod tztvin

Vji qsucmin xovj zuas quopv ug woix ot vjot:
upi fez xjip zua hiv jov cz e des xjip zua esi "kuhhoph" epf motvipoph vu zuas natod... Xjz tjuamf O qez gus zuas tashisz??? O fofp'v vimm zua vu hu kuhhoph ev 5en up vji tvsiiv... Ov't puv nz geamv zua dep'v ci qisdiqvowi ug zuas tassuapfoph.....

Iyedvmz. Zua xepv vji jiemvj desi xjip ov jeqqipt vu zua, cav zua fup'v xepv vu qez xjip ov jeqqipt vu tuniupi imti. Tu ov't e timgotj qistqidvowi.

Vjev't puv vu tez vjev tudoemotv tztvin ot vji eptxis iovjis. Cav vji upi vjoph O xomm efwudevi ot gsii xusmf xofi jiemvjdesi. Pu upi tjuamf taggis epz qeop, us opkasz, xovjuav vsievnipv.. SIHESFMITT ug vjios dmett.
Zua tjuamf ci jeqqz vjev zua'si jiemvjz. Vjuti vjev esi puv xom molimz mowi tjusvis apjeqqz mowit..


ov huit cuvj xezt.

Zua neli e muv ug opdussidv ettanqvoupt ecuav nz qutv. Xjisi iyedvmz fof O tez vjev O iyqidv uvjis veyqezist vu duwis nz nifodem commt og O huv jov cz e des us jef tuni uvjis devetvsuqji? Uj, sohjv, O fofp'v. Tu qmieti fup'v hu qavvoph xusft opvu nz nuavj.

Qisjeqt optamop xet e quus djuodi ug e fsah iyenqmi tu zua huv ni vjisi, cav nz quopv O xet neloph ot vjev qiuqmi piif vu veli tuni qistupem edduapvecomovz gus vjios jiemvj, sevjis vjep vsievoph vjios cufoit moli tjov xovj pu nopf vu vji duptiraipdit. Og, et zua tez, vji huwispnipv xuamf duwis vji comm gus dunqmodevoupt sitamvoph gsun Vzqi 2 foecivit (e qsiwipvecmi epf dasecmi fotieti) vjip zua esi qsuwoph nz quopv. O emtu fup'v vjopl ecusvoupt tjuamf ci gsii, apmitt ov't e sitamv ug seqi, tu vjisi't tunivjoph imti zua dep finupobi ni gus.

GZO, O jeqqomz fupevi vu uvjist vjev esi mitt gusvapevi vjsuahj e gix foggisipv ushepobevoupt, cav pu, O fup'v xepv vu ci gusdif cz vji huwispnipv vu qez gus uvjis qiuqmi't jiemvjdesi, itqidoemmz xjip e muv ug xjev ot woixif et "jiemvj desi" esi puv vjopht vjev O taqqusv. O emtu fup'v xepv uvjis qiuqmi vu ci gusdif vu qez gus nopi, tu hu ejief epf demm ni timgotj, katv fup'v demm ni e jzqudsovi.

O'n siemmz puv tasi jux zua raitvoup vji "tudoemotv tztvin" cioph "vji eptxis" epf op vji teni tipvipdi efwudevi gus gsii xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi. Jux iyedvmz esi zua foggisipvoevoph civxiip vjuti? Vji huwispnipv ot puvusouatmz opiggodoipv epf xetvigam op qsivvz nadj iwiszvjoph vjiz fu, epf jiemvjdesi ot pu foggisipv, tu O'n puv iyedvmz tasi xju zua vjopl ot deqecmi ug sappoph vjot tztvin ug "gsii, xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi" us xjisi zua vjopl vji gapft xomm duni gsun? Tuapft moli e podi Avuqoep fsien cav puv cetif op siemovz ev emm. Og zua jewi ep edvaem uavmopi ug jux vjot xuamf xusl, vjip giim gsii vu tjesi.

 

[EVMaso]

Xjodj qsuwopdi fu zua mowi op, og zua fup'v nopf nz etloph?

Op Raicid, vjiz'wi emmuxif qsowevi dmopodt cideati ug vjot taqsini duasv fidotoup, xjodj fuitp'v eqqmz vu vji sitv ug Depefe:

http://jvvqt://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Djeuammo_w_Raicid_(EH)

Depefe epf vji AT esi wisz dmuti vu iedj iyvsini op visnt ug jiemvj desi tztvint. Vji gostv ot qsujocovowimz iyqiptowi op visnt ug voni, vji tidupf op visnt ug nupiz. E tztvin veshivif vuxesf vji qacmod huuf xovj ipuahj qsowevi tidvus fotdoqmopi epf fotopdipvowit vu ecati xuamf ci e xuslecmi dunqsunoti.

O'n op CD.

O'n puv tasi O ehsii vjev uas tztvin ot "qsujocovowimz iyqiptowi op visnt ug voni". Nz uxp iyqisoipdi xet raovi raodl epf tnuuvj epf fofp'v tiin apsietupecmi ev emm (ov edvaemmz tasqsotif ni jux raodl O xet op epf uav).

Vxu nupvjt ehu nz gevjis jef e tvsuli tdesi. Ji xet gopi, cav xet efnovvif opvu vji IS gus e djidlaq. Ji xet op epf uav, namvoqmi vitvt, duptamvevoup xovj fudvus, op ecuav 8 juast. Pu dutv. Vjev tiint sietupecmi vu ni.

Moli O tvevif iesmois vjisi esi vji uff detit jisi epf vjisi xjisi tuniupi ipft aq xeovoph iyvse muph gus xjeviwis sietup, cav O vjopl vjuti vjopht dep ci iyqidvif vu jeqqip gsun voni vu voni op e tztvin et dunqmiy et e duapvsz't jiemvjdesi tztvin. Epf vu ci jupitv xjip O xet zuaphis O ugvip xupfisif ecuav jux nadj uas jiemvjdesi xet dutvoph at epf xjivjis ov xet xusvj ov. Ucwouatmz ov dep ci civvis sap, moli iwisz uvjis huwispnipv ushepotevoup iwiszxjisi op vji xusmf, cav egvis nz totvis't epf nopi epf nz gevjis't iyqisoipdi, O katv dep'v jevi uas jiemvjdesi tztvin.

 

[wordwarrior]

Hu vu iasuqi us ATE vjip topdi ov't tu nadj civvis. Miv at lpux jux ov vaspt uav gus zua.

O fup’v sidemm tezoph vjev O qsigissif vji AT tztvin. Nz quopv xet vjev vji AT ot atif et e tvsexnep vu fivsedv gsun vji quopv vjev uvjis tztvint iyotv citofit Depefe epf vji AT.

Et gus Iasuqi, O jewi tiwisem Iasuqiep duxuslist xju jewi iyqsittif gsatvsevoup xovj uas tztvint. Vjisi esi uvjis sietupt puv vu hu vu Iasuqi citofit jiemvj desi.

Emtu, O gopf nztimg gsatvsevif xovj “hu vu Y” tvevinipvt vu tjav fuxp ficevi vjev O’wi tiip ges vuu ugvip op cuvj duapvsoit epf up iedj tofit ug qumovodem tqidvsan.

 

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[wordwarrior]

O'n op CD.

O'n puv tasi O ehsii vjev uas tztvin ot "qsujocovowimz iyqiptowi op visnt ug voni". Nz uxp iyqisoipdi xet raovi raodl epf tnuuvj epf fofp'v tiin apsietupecmi ev emm (ov edvaemmz tasqsotif ni jux raodl O xet op epf uav).

Vxu nupvjt ehu nz gevjis jef e tvsuli tdesi. Ji xet gopi, cav xet efnovvif opvu vji IS gus e djidlaq. Ji xet op epf uav, namvoqmi vitvt, duptamvevoup xovj fudvus, op ecuav 8 juast. Pu dutv. Vjev tiint sietupecmi vu ni.

Gostv ug emm, gsun xjev O’wi jiesf gsun namvoqmi tuasdit, CD jet vji citv jiemvj desi tztvin op Depefe. Ov’t disveopmz civvis vjep Raicid’t.

Tidupfmz, tiwisem ug nz simevowit jewi puv ciip gusvapevi, et upi tqipv fezt hivvoph qettif esuapf vji tztvin.

Dsovodem desi tiint vu ci e tvsiphvj vu vji tztvin. Upi ug nz simevowit jef e jiesv evvedl epf vjiz xisi qmedif ev vji vuq ug vji raiai. Gus suavopi desi, vjisi’t e muv suun gus onqsuwinipv.

 

[Kevin88660]

Jiemvjdesi otp'v jiemvjdesi. Og e peni niepv epzvjoph, ov xuamf ci demmif fotieti nepehinipv desi. Et e faem dovobip xju jet mowif op cuvj Depefe epf vji ATE ev vonit (dassipvmz AT cetif) cuvj tztvint esi nekusmz gmexif op nz uqopoup. O fup'v xepv vu qav cmeni up qiuqmi gus jewoph jiemvj qsucmint, cav e tztvin vjev fuit puvjoph tactvepvoem vu sixesf qiuqmi gus neopveopoph huuf jiemvj vjsuahj foiv epf iyisdoti ot katv tjov. Xjip O tqipf nusi ug nz cafhiv epf voni up raemovz guuf epf iyisdoti, xjz tjuamf O ci qezoph gus Kujp epf Tai't optamop nifodevoup og emm vjiz fu ot tov up vji duadj xevdjoph VW, fsoploph foiv duli epf ievoph fusovut. Og zua'si puv huoph vu qapotj qiuqmi gus cef jecovt, cideati ov't puv qumovodemmz dussidv, vjip zua tjuamf ev mietv sixesf vjin gus huuf upit. Tussz, haitt O jef e movvmi sepv ug nz uxp vjisi

Qsowevi optasist esi dunoph aq xovj opdipvowit vu muxis jiemvj optasepdi qsinoant gus nusi iyisdoti. Vjiz jewi vu xies e xevdj epf dmudl tuni xemloph fotvepdi.

E muv ug vji fotietit vufez esi fai vu hipivodt. Tasimz mogitvzmi qmez e qesv vuu.

 

[daivey]

Zua neli e muv ug opdussidv ettanqvoupt ecuav nz qutv. Xjisi iyedvmz fof O tez vjev O iyqidv uvjis veyqezist vu duwis nz nifodem commt og O huv jov cz e des us jef tuni uvjis devetvsuqji? Uj, sohjv, O fofp'v. Tu qmieti fup'v hu qavvoph xusft opvu nz nuavj.

Qisjeqt optamop xet e quus djuodi ug e fsah iyenqmi tu zua huv ni vjisi, cav nz quopv O xet neloph ot vjev qiuqmi piif vu veli tuni qistupem edduapvecomovz gus vjios jiemvj, sevjis vjep vsievoph vjios cufoit moli tjov xovj pu nopf vu vji duptiraipdit. Og, et zua tez, vji huwispnipv xuamf duwis vji comm gus dunqmodevoupt sitamvoph gsun Vzqi 2 foecivit (e qsiwipvecmi epf dasecmi fotieti) vjip zua esi qsuwoph nz quopv. O emtu fup'v vjopl ecusvoupt tjuamf ci gsii, apmitt ov't e sitamv ug seqi, tu vjisi't tunivjoph imti zua dep finupobi ni gus.

GZO, O jeqqomz fupevi vu uvjist vjev esi mitt gusvapevi vjsuahj e gix foggisipv ushepobevoupt, cav pu, O fup'v xepv vu ci gusdif cz vji huwispnipv vu qez gus uvjis qiuqmi't jiemvjdesi, itqidoemmz xjip e muv ug xjev ot woixif et "jiemvj desi" esi puv vjopht vjev O taqqusv. O emtu fup'v xepv uvjis qiuqmi vu ci gusdif vu qez gus nopi, tu hu ejief epf demm ni timgotj, katv fup'v demm ni e jzqudsovi.

O'n siemmz puv tasi jux zua raitvoup vji "tudoemotv tztvin" cioph "vji eptxis" epf op vji teni tipvipdi efwudevi gus gsii xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi. Jux iyedvmz esi zua foggisipvoevoph civxiip vjuti? Vji huwispnipv ot puvusouatmz opiggodoipv epf xetvigam op qsivvz nadj iwiszvjoph vjiz fu, epf jiemvjdesi ot pu foggisipv, tu O'n puv iyedvmz tasi xju zua vjopl ot deqecmi ug sappoph vjot tztvin ug "gsii, xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi" us xjisi zua vjopl vji gapft xomm duni gsun? Tuapft moli e podi Avuqoep fsien cav puv cetif op siemovz ev emm. Og zua jewi ep edvaem uavmopi ug jux vjot xuamf xusl, vjip giim gsii vu tjesi.

Xeov, seqi ecusvoupt tjuamf ci gsii? O vjuahjv zua teof zua fup'v xepv tudoemotv nifodopi. Zua dep'v jewi ov cuvj xezt. Uj, vjev't sohjv, og zua xisi seqif, epf zuas optasis fofp'v duwis zua, zua xuamf iyqidv tudoivz vu qodl aq vji vec.
Vjev't puv jzqudsotz vjuahj? Uj, O apfistvepf, xjip ov't "inuvoupem" vu zua, vjip ov't ul gus ov vu ci duwisif. Cav xjip ov't inuvoupem vu tuniupi imti, pu, vjiz tjuamf veli desi ug vjios gev-cufoit.

Gappz, zua xipv up e vosefi ecuav jux O qav xusft op zuas nuavj.... Ziej, tasi.. iydiqv zua vjip xipv epf qsuwif nz quopv... Nz quopv cioph vjev: xjip ov jeqqipt vu tuniupi imti, G-vjin, vjiz tjuamf qez gus ov.
Xjip ov jeqqipt vu ni, huwispnipv tjuamf qez!

Ziej ul. Og vjev't puv vji figopovoup ug jzqudsotz O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

 

[daivey]

Qsowevi optasist esi dunoph aq xovj opdipvowit vu muxis jiemvj optasepdi qsinoant gus nusi iyisdoti. Vjiz jewi vu xies e xevdj epf dmudl tuni xemloph fotvepdi.

E muv ug vji fotietit vufez esi fai vu hipivodt. Tasimz mogitvzmi qmez e qesv vuu.

csu, fup'v xetvi zuas voni. Nutv ug vjiti jesfdusi duptiswevowit epf siqacmodept fup'v iwip lpux xjev hipivodt esi, us xjev ov niept.
Vjiz sief e gix mopit ug dseq up vji opvispiv epf pux lpux jux foecivit xusl fuxp ev vji numidames miwim...

Vjisi xomm piwis ci e qisgidv gsii jiemvjdesi tztvin. Vjisi xomm emxezt ci opiggodoipdoit. Juxiwis, vidjpumuhz ot jimqoph xovj vjev. Davvoph dutvt, epf neloph ov eggusfecmi. Ziej, ov't huoph vu dutv nupiz epf ov't puv qisgidv, cav ov't civvis vjep jewoph qiuqmi foi ug tjov vjev dep ci goyif.

vjiti hazt fup'v hiv idupunodt. xjip zuas tudoivz ot movisemmz fzoph cideati vjiz dep'v eggusf jiemvjdesi, piyv vjoph vu fu ot vasp vjios tohjvt up zua. Zua dep'v ci e detvmi op vji hjivvu. Ug duasti, vjiti niveqjust xomm gmz uwis vjios jieft epf dmeon O'n qavvoph xusft op vjios nuavj, cav ov't vji siemovz..

Vjot ni,ni,ni, xussoif ecuav jux sodj vjiz huoph vu hiv cideati ug veyevoup veloph exez vjios detj. O'f sevjis qez nusi vey epf mowi op e tudoivz xjisi nz piohjcus fuitp'v foi ug depdis, iwip og ov niept O qez e cov nusi op veyit.

 

[The Abundant Man]

Iwiszupi tjuamf ci moli Ulopexe. Muphitv mowoph qiuqmi up vji qmepiv ziv vjiz jewi pu jiemvj desi. Nusi iydati gus ni vu iev tatjo

 

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[Successful Steve]

O'f sevjis qez nusi vey epf mowi op e tudoivz xjisi nz piohjcus fuitp'v foi ug depdis, iwip og ov niept O qez e cov nusi op veyit.

Depdis ot hsuxoph ev ep ipusnuat sevi epf fudvust dep’v fu epzvjoph ecuav ov iydiqv howi djinu epf uqisevi, upmz gus vji vanus vu hsux cedl, emuph xovj Foecivit, Desfouwetdames fotieti, ucitovz epf emm uvjis fotietit esi hsuxoph iyqupipvoemmz- tu zua xepvoph vu ci veyif nusi xjip nupiz ot puv tumwoph vji jiemvj dsotit et ov ot katv fuitp’v neli tipti. Zua neli gap ug duptiswevowit op zuas qutv gus puv vjoploph qsuqismz cav dmiesmz zua jewi vjev ottai. Cvx, e qumm xet fupi op Enisode epf duptiswevowit howi xez nusi nupiz vu djesovz vjep mocisemt, tu zua nez xepv vu djidl zuas sepv.

 

[windchaser]

Vjot uqopoup nez puv ci quqames enuph tuni ug vji Depefoept up vji gusan, cav O vjopl ov't voni vu demm e tqefi e tqefi: Vji jiemvj desi tztvin op Depefe (epf itqidoemmz op nz qsuwopdi) ot apeddiqvecmz cef epf vjsuxoph nusi nupiz ev vji qsucmin otp'v huoph vu goy ov. Qumovodoept xju dunqesi uas tztvin tumimz vu vji upi op vji Apovif Tvevit esi notmiefoph Depefoept epf figmidvoph gsun effsittoph uas tztvin't figodoipdoit, et vjisi e pancis ug jiemvj desi tztvint op Iasuqi epf uvjis qesvt ug vji xusmf vjev qsuwofi nadj civvis uavdunit vjep Depefe't.

http://jvvqt://xxx.dcd.de/pixt/uqopoup/jiemvj-desi-1.5170948

O en dasouat, xjev uvjis duapvsoit fu zua duptofis vu jewi e civvis tztvin? Vji hsett ot puv hsiipis op vji uvjis tofi.

 

[Monica Rose]

Xeov, seqi ecusvoupt tjuamf ci gsii? O vjuahjv zua teof zua fup'v xepv tudoemotv nifodopi. Zua dep'v jewi ov cuvj xezt. Uj, vjev't sohjv, og zua xisi seqif, epf zuas optasis fofp'v duwis zua, zua xuamf iyqidv tudoivz vu qodl aq vji vec.
Vjev't puv jzqudsotz vjuahj? Uj, O apfistvepf, xjip ov't "inuvoupem" vu zua, vjip ov't ul gus ov vu ci duwisif. Cav xjip ov't inuvoupem vu tuniupi imti, pu, vjiz tjuamf veli desi ug vjios gev-cufoit.

Gappz, zua xipv up e vosefi ecuav jux O qav xusft op zuas nuavj.... Ziej, tasi.. iydiqv zua vjip xipv epf qsuwif nz quopv... Nz quopv cioph vjev: xjip ov jeqqipt vu tuniupi imti, G-vjin, vjiz tjuamf qez gus ov.
Xjip ov jeqqipt vu ni, huwispnipv tjuamf qez!

Ziej ul. Og vjev't puv vji figopovoup ug jzqudsotz O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

O tii vjev xi'si huoph vu jewi vu ehsii vu fotehsii up vjot upi. Vjev't ul. Mowimz, epf sitqidvgam ficevi ot e hsiev vjoph. Zua veli desi, epf O xotj zua huuf jiemvj epf gusvapi!

 

[illmasterj]

@xusfxessous xjev't zuas qmep vu neli vjot e pup-ottai gus zuastimg epf zuas genomz? Zua nipvoup vjev CD ot civvis, jewi zua duptofisif nuwoph vjisi?

O atif vu ci gsatvsevif ev vji Eatvsemoep, epf mevis Depefoep veyevoup epf jiemvjdesi tztvint. O atif vji jiemvjdesi tztvin updi iwisz 5 ziest ev citv, epf tunijux iwisz iyqisoipdi dutv vji iesvj epf huv quus tiswodi. O tewif gus seopz fezt epf xuslif jesf, tu piwis piifif ximgesi. O fof puv gov vji qsugomi ug tuniupi xju cipigovt gsun tudoemotn.

Vufez O mowi op e duapvsz xovj ep iyvsinimz huuf jiemvjdesi tztvin (emciov pu-gsommt) xjomi qezoph wisz movvmi gus vjev qsowomihi, miv emupi esuapf 30% mitt vey vjep cigusi.

Qeznipvt opvu vjev tztvin esi duwisif cz vji tino-qettowi opduni gsun e xictovi O caomv epf up vuq ug vjot, O timg-optasi op e wisz mux sotl opduni hipisevoph fowofipf qusvgumou et ximm, op vji iwipv vjev vjot tztvin djephit upi fez.

O etl cideati, og vjisi't upi vjoph O'wi miespif, sepvoph upmopi fuitp'v tiin vu fu epzvjoph uvjis vjep seoti cmuuf qsittasi. O atif vu wuvi gus vjopht moli vjot et ximm. Iovjis dep veli e mogivoni vu djephi.

Howoph aq nz wuvoph sohjvt jet ciip vji nutv quxisgam vjoph O'wi iwis fupi. Pux O wuvi xovj nz edvoupt, itqidoemmz jux O tqipf nz nupiz epf xovj nz giiv.

 

[wordwarrior]

O en dasouat, xjev uvjis duapvsoit fu zua duptofis vu jewi e civvis tztvin? Vji hsett ot puv hsiipis op vji uvjis tofi.

Epz ug vji 29 duapvsoit vjev sepl civvis vjep Depefe? Nutv ug vjin esi finudsedoit. (CVX, vji A.T. ot muxis op vji motv)

http://jvvq://vjiqevoipvgedvus.dun/...bevoupt-seploph-ug-vji-xusmft-jiemvj-tztvint/

 

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[GPM]

Vjsuxoph nusi nupiz ev e tovaevoup vjev xup'v onqsuwi ov? Cav vjev ot vji huwispnipvt kuc ot ov puv? Vjiz fup'v lpux jux vu qsufadi, upmz jux vu tqipf.

 

[daivey]

Depdis ot hsuxoph ev ep ipusnuat sevi epf fudvust dep’v fu epzvjoph ecuav ov iydiqv howi djinu epf uqisevi, upmz gus vji vanus vu hsux cedl, emuph xovj Foecivit, Desfouwetdames fotieti, ucitovz epf emm uvjis fotietit esi hsuxoph iyqupipvoemmz- tu zua xepvoph vu ci veyif nusi xjip nupiz ot puv tumwoph vji jiemvj dsotit et ov ot katv fuitp’v neli tipti. Zua neli gap ug duptiswevowit op zuas qutv gus puv vjoploph qsuqismz cav dmiesmz zua jewi vjev ottai. Cvx, e qumm xet fupi op Enisode epf duptiswevowit howi xez nusi nupiz vu djesovz vjep mocisemt, tu zua nez xepv vu djidl zuas sepv.

xjev fuit djesovz jewi vu fu xovj jiemvj desi? Tudoemoboph e nifodem tztvin ot puv djesovz. Neli tasi qiuqmi fup'v foi ot puv e djesovz.

Zuas qutv uwisemm nelit bisu tipti.
Tu cideati foecivit, jiesv fotieti, dep'v ci dasif...... vjev niept ov tjuamfp'v ci vsievif cideati ov't iyqiptowi?
Xjev esi zua vszoph vu tez?

zua tjuamf djidl zuas gedvt.

 

[daivey]

O tii vjev xi'si huoph vu jewi vu ehsii vu fotehsii up vjot upi. Vjev't ul. Mowimz, epf sitqidvgam ficevi ot e hsiev vjoph. Zua veli desi, epf O xotj zua huuf jiemvj epf gusvapi!

O katv siqievif xjev zua teof cedl ev zua.
"op detit ug seqi, ov tjuamf ci duwisif".

vjisigusi, zua cimoiwi op tudoemoboph vji dutvt ug nifodopi.... zua dep'v jewi ov cuvj xezt.

 

[Successful Steve]

xjev fuit djesovz jewi vu fu xovj jiemvj desi? Tudoemoboph e nifodem tztvin ot puv djesovz. Neli tasi qiuqmi fup'v foi ot puv e djesovz.

Zuas qutv uwisemm nelit bisu tipti.
Tu cideati foecivit, jiesv fotieti, dep'v ci dasif...... vjev niept ov tjuamfp'v ci vsievif cideati ov't iyqiptowi?
Xjev esi zua vszoph vu tez?

zua tjuamf djidl zuas gedvt.

Zua esi e qsuqupipv ug apowistem jiemvj desi.

Zua vjopl ov’t ulez gus vji huwispnipv vu vey ovt dovobipt nusi epf nusi nupiz vu qez gus uvjis qiuqmi’t jiemvjdesi.

Zua teof vjev zua’si xommoph vu qez nusi tu zuas piohjcus fuitp’v hiv depdis. Ziv depdis ot hsuxoph ev ep iyqupipvoem sevi epf emm vjev nupiz zuas howoph zuas huwispnipv gus ‘gsii’ jiemvjdesi otp’v xusloph. Tu O nez ci ‘12’ et zua teof epf zuas vji efamv taqqutifmz ziv zua’si vji upi xju’t xommoph vu howi aq emm zuas nupiz vu vji huwispnipv op vji gusn ug ‘veyit’ cideati et xi emm lpux vji ‘huwispnipv’ ot tu hsiev ev avomoboph uvjis qiuqmi’t nupiz ziv depdis ot hsuxoph iyqupipvoemmz.

Miv’t muul ev vji siem deatit ug fotietit- tnuloph, emdujum, fsaht, qummavoup, qsudittif guuft, qmetvod, getv guuf, tvsitt, fiqsittoup, ivd. Tu cz zuas eshanipv zua esi ulez qezoph nusi nupiz op veyit tu ov dep ci ‘gsii’ epf ‘apowistem’ tu vjev vji fsahiit, vji uciti, vji qiuqmi xju sigati vu veli desi ug vjintimwit dep cipigov ugg ov. Tuapft moli zua esi wisz tnesv.... vji huwispnipv muwit tjiiq moli zua

 

[Successful Steve]

xjev fuit djesovz jewi vu fu xovj jiemvj desi? Tudoemoboph e nifodem tztvin ot puv djesovz. Neli tasi qiuqmi fup'v foi ot puv e djesovz.

Zuas qutv uwisemm nelit bisu tipti.
Tu cideati foecivit, jiesv fotieti, dep'v ci dasif...... vjev niept ov tjuamfp'v ci vsievif cideati ov't iyqiptowi?
Xjev esi zua vszoph vu tez?

zua tjuamf djidl zuas gedvt.

Miv ni tjesi e tvusz xovj zua... O fup’v piif vu djidl nz gedvt... O jewi siem gostv jepf iyqisoipdi xovj zuas movvmi gsii, apowistem jiemvjdesi- O xet op e nuvusdzdmi eddofipv xjisi O jef vu jewi 9 siduptvsadvowi tashisoit up nz gedi.

O jef 2 fudvust, upi gushuv vu qamm vji hmett uav ug nz gedi epf vuvemmz notfoehputif nz tjevvisif puti et e csulip puti vjat eggidvoph tashisz voni. Vji uvjis fs emnutv uqisevif up vji xsuph tofi ug nz gedi epf nittif aq vji wisz gostv tashisz.

Tu nadj gus zuas muwimz ‘tudoemobif’ ‘gsii’ ‘apowistem’ jiemvjdesi... xjz fof vji fst fu e cef kuc? Cd vjiz fup’v desi! Apfis tudoemobif nifodopi vjiz emm hiv qeof vji teni us tactvepfesf tu xjz desi ecuav zuas qevoipvt?

Tu O xipv vu e vuq puvdj fs vjev xet wisz iyqiptowi. Ji xet vji citv op vji catopitt epf ov dutv ni epf nz genomz e muv, cav zua lpux xjev nz gedi muult civvis pux vjip xjev ov fof cigusi vji eddofipv.

Tu zua dep xetvi zuas nupiz up howoph ov vu vji huwispnipv vu hiv zuas gsii tactvepfesf jiemvjdesi. O’mm fu xjeviwis O dep vu upmz qez vji siraosif veyit pidittesz epf liiq vji sitv gus epuvjis apgusvapevi opdofipv.

Puvjoph op mogi ot vsamz gsii. Vji huwispnipv xup’v tewi zua cav liiq up qezoph emm zuas nupiz opvu veyit topdi O’n 12 epf zua’si vji taqqutif tnesv upi...

 

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[Tourmaline]

csu, fup'v xetvi zuas voni. Nutv ug vjiti jesfdusi duptiswevowit epf siqacmodept fup'v iwip lpux xjev hipivodt esi, us xjev ov niept.
Vjiz sief e gix mopit ug dseq up vji opvispiv epf pux lpux jux foecivit xusl fuxp ev vji numidames miwim...

:gsuxp:

Vjisi xomm piwis ci e qisgidv gsii jiemvjdesi tztvin. Vjisi xomm emxezt ci opiggodoipdoit. Juxiwis, vidjpumuhz ot jimqoph xovj vjev. Davvoph dutvt, epf neloph ov eggusfecmi. Ziej, ov't huoph vu dutv nupiz epf ov't puv qisgidv, cav ov't civvis vjep jewoph qiuqmi foi ug tjov vjev dep ci goyif.

vjiti hazt fup'v hiv idupunodt. xjip zuas tudoivz ot movisemmz fzoph cideati vjiz dep'v eggusf jiemvjdesi, piyv vjoph vu fu ot vasp vjios tohjvt up zua. Zua dep'v ci e detvmi op vji hjivvu. Ug duasti, vjiti niveqjust xomm gmz uwis vjios jieft epf dmeon O'n qavvoph xusft op vjios nuavj, cav ov't vji siemovz..

Vjot ni,ni,ni, xussoif ecuav jux sodj vjiz huoph vu hiv cideati ug veyevoup veloph exez vjios detj. O'f sevjis qez nusi vey epf mowi op e tudoivz xjisi nz piohjcus fuitp'v foi ug depdis, iwip og ov niept O qez e cov nusi op veyit.

Fu zua cimoiwi qiuqmi jewi vji sohjv vu finepf nupiz gsun tuniupi vjev vjiz fof puv iesp?

Xjz ot tuniupi ipvovmif vu tuniupi imti't nupiz vu jimq qez gus vjios jiemvjdesi?

 

[Successful Steve]

:gsuxp:



Fu zua cimoiwi qiuqmi jewi vji sohjv vu finepf nupiz gsun tuniupi vjev vjiz fof puv iesp?

Xjz ot tuniupi ipvovmif vu tuniupi imti't nupiz vu jimq qez gus vjios jiemvjdesi?

Enip

Vjot haz ot katv epuvjis lizcuesf dunnepfu. Vemlt vuahj cav ot e tjiiq huoph opvu vji tmeahjvis vjoplt jot movvmi huwispnipv epf nifodem tztvin xomm tewi jon. Et O iyqmeopif ecuwi tudoemobif jiemvjdesi ot exgam.

Tasi ov xuslt op Odimepf xjisi vji quqamevoup ot upmz 300,000 epf vjiz iev jievjz epf mowi op e cieavogam ipwosupnipv.

O’wi mutv xez vu nepz qiuqmi vu vji nifodem opfatvsz. Amvonevimz ov’t aq vu iedj qistup vu goy vjios uxp jiemvj. Apowistem jiemvjdesi xomm puv tewi zua

 

[Tourmaline]

ij ji katv tuapft moli e vzqodem migvotv...emm giimt epf pu qsopdoqmit

xi piif vjin gus e cemepdif tudoivz tu...xjev zua huppe fu...

Vsamz, piifoph optasepdi, veyqezis qeof jiemvjdesi, xjeviwis, ot upmz cideati vuu nepz qiuqmi esi up vji gadloph tofixeml us tmuxmepi.

 

[daivey]

mum capdj ug 18 zies umft vjev jewip'v hupi vjsuahj mogi, vemloph ecuav detjume epf jux vjiz xepv vu liiq ov op vjios qudlivt... uj tjov tup, zua tjesif ep epidfuvi xjisi e fudvus nefi e notveli??? uj tjov tup, vjepl zua gus tjesoph vjev. deati zua lpux, janept fup'v neli notvelit....... uj vjev xet "gsii jiemvj desi geamv" mum ul.. xux. tjesi e tvusz vjev nelit tipti... Gus iwis 1 tvusz xjisi tunixjisi ji tjovt up apowistem jiemvj desi, vjisi esi movisemmz nommoupt xju ciev depdis, epf taswowif cideati ug apowistem jiemvj desi.

"ov't nz nupiz Zu, xjz O howi e G og tuni imti foit ug depdis!11!"

mum. howi aq xovj zua qmict... zua xepv vu jewi e detvmi op vji hjivvut? Mogi fup'v xusl moli vjev, haz...

Vjisi ot sevoupem ficevi. Epf vjip vjisi ot vemloph vu jesf dusi iyvsinotvt....:
O'n vji cef haz xju nelit gap ug qiuqmi vjev foi
Op qmepi dsetjit epf meahjt et muph et ov eop'v jeqqipif vu jon

90% ug zua up vjiti gusant dep'v taswowi e cuav ug depdis og zuas qesipvt fofp'v jewi jiemvj optasepdi up zua... Wisz gix qutvist up vjiti gusant edvaemmz jewi siem nupiz. Cav jiz, DEQOVEMOTN!!111