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A good friend of mine made me aware of something this weekend that I felt only was right to share here on the forum, especially because I know many of you (including myself) have been buying their UPC barcodes from Cheap-UPC-Barcode [dot] com.

This info comes from George Laurer the originator of the UPC bar code:
Cheap UPC Barcode at UPC-Cheap-Barcode - Inexpensive UPC UUC Barcodes and Free Graphics for Amazon eBay etc UCC , advertises bar codes for sale. They obtained their Company Prefix License from GS1 Canada after March 31, 1997. Companies purchasing a license after that date agreed to terms prohibiting them from subdividing their prefix (sec. 2.1.3). The agreement also states that the license can can be terminated if the company does not comply (sec. 2.4.2). Further GS1ca's agreement says they may reissue the Company Prefix to other parties. (sec. 2.4.2). It has come to our attention that they are now just making up numbers. One number they sold had the prefix 045635 which is not a GS1 registered prefix. Note the sequence of numbers they used...it is a give away that the number is bogus.
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After learning this, I immediately checked my own supplement barcode - and sure as shit, my code also begins with 045635. I also just spoke with another forum member here on Skype and had him check his number as well. Yup, his code also starts with 045635. Looks like they probably sold out a large series of these fake numbers for some easy profit.

This probably is not an issue as long as you are just selling on eBay / Amazon. But when the time comes to move your product into retail stores or chains, or any other place that do more due dilligence on checking your barcodes - chances are you will just get rejected using these barcodes.

I guess you get what you pay for - and in this case, it isn't worth it. I will be getting my UPC codes elsewhere from now on.
 

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Thanks for the heads up eSkil - let us know where you end up getting them from, I'm sure it'll save some people time :)
 

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After worming through George Laurer's site I found what is supposed to be a registered list of UPC resellers. These are sites that should have legitimate UPC codes that come from the time period where they could be bought in bulk and resold before the UPC regulations changed.

link: Registered Resellers | Authenticated UPC Registration Directory

George Laurer links to this website through his own so I actually did end up getting upc's from one of the sites listed here several months ago. Don't know if these are the only legit resellers out there, but they should at least be good to go?
 

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It will be interesting to see how this turns out. I have sent an inquiry to cheap-upc-barcode.com.

What I do know is that :
1. They (cheap-upc-barcode) claim to be a GS1 certified licensee
2. That George Laurer has zero relationship with the GS1 corporation that oversees the licensing of master licenses
and that
3. George Laurer is trying to SELL subscriptions to his directory, and casting aspersions on anyone who doesn't pay to join as a reseller
4. George Lauer's company has a reseller advertisement arrangement through http://www.barcodesamerica.com/special.html who would be a competitor of the company he puts on his naughty list. He should probably also mention they are direct competitors.

I am not stating whether or not this is correct or incorrect information at this point. For my sake, I hope that 045635 is authentic as I have several packages that use that prefix. I would find it interesting if GS1 has not initiated any action against someone claiming to be a licensed reseller if they are not. Wouldn't be very hard to file a cease and desist followed by a lawsuit to protect your franchise. GS1 would have a pretty compelling interest in stopping someone fraudulently marketing fraudulent products under the GS1 brand umbrella.

I will let you know if the folks from cheap-upc-barcode responds, and what their response is. Right now it looks like this could go either way. George Laurer certainly has some dated credentials, but also has a motive in his naughty list. We'll see...
 

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Speed+ to Eskil by the way...

We should probably move this into the product development thread.
 
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Thanks for chiming in here with your thoughts, Vigilante.

3. George Laurer is trying to SELL subscriptions to his directory, and casting aspersions on anyone who doesn't pay to join as a reseller
This is interesting for sure, and yeah it might be a bit too soon to jump to conclusions I agree. Please post your findings here when you know anything more. Mods can move the thread into Product Development if they like. I almost posted it there first. :)
 

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I own a Barcode Company...I am listed on Laurer's site and am one of the two advertisers on his site...I am not here to Spam this page.

Laurer is a good guy, he invented the UPC Barcode about 40 years ago while working at IBM. He and a friend of his started Authenticated UPC Directory about a year ago to validate who the legitimate guys are. He's also trying to figure out a way to make money from barcodes, but his attempts haven't worked very well and is not adding much value.

If you slice and dice the barcode resellers, they fall into a number of categories.
1. The legitimate guys who are treating this like a business. Solid infrastructure, multiple prefixes (inventory), automation, customer service, understanding of the retail or webtailer value chain (there are 2 or 3 people in this category tops).
2. Companies that have 1 or 2 prefixes, they are legit but when they sell out, they will move on to another business
3. Companies like Cheap Barcode (and there are several others) who make up numbers or don't have a legal right to sell barcodes.

My recommendation is that you go to Laurer's site first, click on all the links and make your decision who the best company is. Look for level of information/knowledge, a toll free number (this indicates commitment), a BBB rating, contact info and a price that you are comfortable with.

Some of the companies on Laurer's list have a legal right to subdivide their numbers but are pretty clueless when it comes to taking care of the customer or having a serious infrastructure.

IF you are planning on selling your products in Kroger (Fred Meyer, King Sooper, Ralph's, etc.), Walmart/Sam's Club, JC Penny's, Macy's/Bloomingdales, you will need to go direct to the GS1. These companies ties the prefix to their EDI systems and require that you have a direct relationship with the GS1.

I got into a disagreement with Laurer and his partner about the advertiser, Barcodes America. I thought it was pretty unethical that he would allow someone to advertise who wasn't on his 'approved' list - I felt this was a desperate attempt to make a little money and that ad would mislead the average person who came to the site to see who was "validated".
 

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It is worthwhile noting that I have not received a response from Cheap-UPC-Barcode.com yet.

I emailed again today to a contact that I have at their parent company, along with extending him an invitation to come to this forum. I am super interested in getting to the bottom of this, as I have recommended their services to several people.

I have also sent off a request for assistance/clarity to the GS1 organization.
 

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I own a Barcode Company...I am listed on Laurer's site and am one of the two advertisers on his site...I am not here to Spam this page.

Laurer is a good guy, he invented the UPC Barcode about 40 years ago while working at IBM. He and a friend of his started Authenticated UPC Directory about a year ago to validate who the legitimate guys are. He's also trying to figure out a way to make money from barcodes, but his attempts haven't worked very well and is not adding much value.

If you slice and dice the barcode resellers, they fall into a number of categories.
1. The legitimate guys who are treating this like a business. Solid infrastructure, multiple prefixes (inventory), automation, customer service, understanding of the retail or webtailer value chain (there are 2 or 3 people in this category tops).
2. Companies that have 1 or 2 prefixes, they are legit but when they sell out, they will move on to another business
3. Companies like Cheap Barcode (and there are several others) who make up numbers or don't have a legal right to sell barcodes.

My recommendation is that you go to Laurer's site first, click on all the links and make your decision who the best company is. Look for level of information/knowledge, a toll free number (this indicates commitment), a BBB rating, contact info and a price that you are comfortable with.

Some of the companies on Laurer's list have a legal right to subdivide their numbers but are pretty clueless when it comes to taking care of the customer or having a serious infrastructure.

IF you are planning on selling your products in Kroger (Fred Meyer, King Sooper, Ralph's, etc.), Walmart/Sam's Club, JC Penny's, Macy's/Bloomingdales, you will need to go direct to the GS1. These companies ties the prefix to their EDI systems and require that you have a direct relationship with the GS1.

I got into a disagreement with Laurer and his partner about the advertiser, Barcodes America. I thought it was pretty unethical that he would allow someone to advertise who wasn't on his 'approved' list - I felt this was a desperate attempt to make a little money and that ad would mislead the average person who came to the site to see who was "validated".
Glad you found us. Any insight as to why GS1 wouldn't go after some of these companies who are marketing the reselling of GS1 barcodes if they are using prefixes that are not sanctioned by GS1?
 
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@philperetz; Thanks for coming on here and sharing the knowledge.
 

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Good find Eskil

This may or may not be of any value, but when I was adding my new products to Amazon using bar codes from cheap-upc-barcodes.com, I mistyped one and it threw an error. Turns out I ended the bar code with a 5 instead of a 6 or something like that. No big deal, but it got me thinking. How does Amazon know that my barcode "0000000006" is good but another barcode "0000000005" isn't?

So for the next product I typed in a random number like 5774628750 and it failed. I just changed the 0 on the end to 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, etc. Ended up throwing an error on every one of the numbers except 9. Long story short, every number to the 2nd to last digit contains a bar code and all you have to do is pick the right digit on the last number.

There is probably an algorithm tied to bar codes that companies like this have figured out. If you're going to use fake UPCs, you might as well not pay for them. Obviously this wouldn't work for Wal-Mart, but you get the idea.
 
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There is probably an algorithm tied to bar codes that companies like this have figured out
Good point and I think you are right. It's like social security numbers or credit card numbers. They have to have certain digits in certain places - in relation to one another. I think for instance with social security numbers - one of the digits means odd or even for male/female or vice versa.

You can make up random credit card numbers too, and even ones that would be "real" - but then you still would hit a wall because of the month/year expiration + CVC code + name / address.
 

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The last digit in a bar code is called a "check digit" and you are exactly right... it is some type of standardized calculation. The check digit is only in place to ensure that the rest of the numbers are correct. That part is not unique to Amazon or any one barcode supplier... that's the industry standard.
 

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Still have not received any response from Cheap-UPC-Barcode, or now their parent company Certified Battery - Canadian company.
 

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Eskil, thanks for sharing this information, and Vigilante, I appreciate the heads up when and if you find something out.
I googled cheap upc codes and even checked ripoff reports dot com to see if there had been any complaints. I am astounded how many websites there are that are selling cheap barcodes. Makes one wonder if many of these websites are just scamming people with false barcodes.
I also bought 20 barcodes with 0456 numbers.
Very frustrating.
Randall
 

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All right. I received a response from the president of Cheap UPC Barcode. I was familiar with him from correspondence several months ago, and his response this afternoon made me comfortable with his service again.

I told him that I would repost it here for him. It is somewhat in line with what the rest of my research determined. He's not likely to register on the forum, but it also sounds like his company is taking some steps to protect itself from some of what they might consider blatent competitive attacks. Anyway, I appreciated the response and likely will continue to use them as I have had nothing but a great experience thus far. His response to my inquiry is as follows :

This is Todd Stephenson here, owner of Cheap-UPC-Barcode.com. One of our regular customers made us aware of this thread and I am very happy to respond. There are two issues to address here: The validity of this particular prefix, and why we do not bother getting our prefixes “certified” by George Laurer’s UPC registration website

First of all the codes for this prefix and any others we sell are perfectly valid and eligible for resale, meaning all of them were originally issued before the UCC/GS1 rule change that occurred around 2002. This particular one (045635) we purchased from a Texas honey company in April of 2012. The prefix is very old, and dates back to before 1990. That is why it begins with a zero and not a six or an eight like most of the newer US prefixes. Most of the zero prefixes are locked up by the big conglomerates like P&G, so we thought it was a real coup to acquire this one for resale. Customers that purchased codes from us under this prefix got the extra little benefit of looking like their product has been around forever. We have sold all but a few of the codes remaining in this prefix, but if you have some, please be assured that you got exactly what you paid for – valid UCC/GS1 codes that were issued before 2002 and have never been used. These codes are yours forever and you may use them as you please. If you ever have any difficulties with them I will give you 100 to one odds it is because you are using listing spreadsheets incorrectly. Excel and other spreadsheets drop “redundant” leading zeros in numbers, but the leading zero in a UPC code is all important. Format your UPC code cells to be “text” and your leading zeros will not be dropped. The codes will work perfectly, guaranteed.

To address the other issue, we do not bother getting our prefixes “certified” by George Laurer because the certification doesn’t mean anything. Although Mr. Laurer invented the UPC code in the 1970’s, he has no association with the GS1 or the UCC, and has no authority to issue any form of certification for resale. Using his status as the inventor of the code format, he is attempting to set himself up as an intermediary in the UPC code resale industry. Mr Laurer also appears to have associations with certain competitors in the barcode resale industry, although I am not privy to any financial arrangements between them. We have had discussions with Mr Laurer in the past. He is a friendly and interesting fellow, but in the end, we do not feel it is best for our industry, our company, and our customers to add useless costs to barcode resale transactions.

In summary, for any of you that have purchased your codes from Cheap-UPC-Barcode.com, please feel reassured that you have received exactly what you paid for. The prefix under discussion in this thread has been sold out except for about 800 numbers we are selling at a premium. The newest prefix we are selling beings with an eight, originally hails from a California clothing company from 2001, and is also perfectly valid for UPC code resale.

Best regards,



Todd Stephenson


p.s. footnote to this from Vigilante - his letter kind of made me want to attempt to grab more of 045635. :)
 

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I also suggest that maybe since there has been some back and forth on this subject, that this forum may not be the best place to adjudicate this issue. I am GLAD that Eskil brought this up, glad that some of the folks involved were able to weigh in, and glad that we have been kind of able to hear both sides on this.

I don't think this should now become a back and forth, tit for tat exchange. These are big boys, slugging it out in their own industry. I don't want this forum to really be their battle ground. It sounds like this is a complicated industry, with some possible pending litigation, and I for one don't want to be involved in any of that.

So... do your own research. Come to your own conclusions. There's a variety of options out there to choose from. Find a reputable and reliable company to do business with.

I stand by my previous recommendation, and suggest therein that we allow these companies to take their fight elsewhere lest we not be involved.

Great topic, Eskil, and I am glad we had the ability to flush this out a bit. If I ever hear anything back from GS1 (they are not the most responsive company so I hear... even from Laurer's site...) I will post it here as well.
 
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That is a great follow-up right there from Todd and thanks again for sharing, Vigilante. This should clear up the situation and I agree we don't need any more deep debate about this at this point. There is obviously some rivalry and competitive business practices in the UPC industry, but as long as we can base our own judgments for purchases on accurate info - picking a provider shouldn't be too hard.
 

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I just bought 250 UPC codes from this company:

GS1 compliant UPC barcodes for all retail items.

250 unique UPC codes for $100!

I like what they had to say on their website also.

This is one of the authenticated sites from the posts above... and the price was excellent. I was used to paying $1.99 per bar code, so to get 250 codes (that are authenticated) for $.40 each... I couldn't resist.
 
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Nice, thanks for sharing! Bookmarked for reference. :)
 

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I just bought 250 UPC codes from this company:

GS1 compliant UPC barcodes for all retail items.

250 unique UPC codes for $100!

I like what they had to say on their website also.

This is one of the authenticated sites from the posts above... and the price was excellent. I was used to paying $1.99 per bar code, so to get 250 codes (that are authenticated) for $.40 each... I couldn't resist.
I just restumbled upon this thread while looking for barcodes, I ended up purchasing from the site that Vig listed above. The prices are a bit higher now but still very cheap (250 barcodes for $125)

What I found interesting and worth noting is that the site Vig linked to is actually owned by the guy who commented above (Phil Peretz) so if you need barcodes and want to support a fellow fastlaner (although just that 1 post) that website is still a good source.
 

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I just bought 250 UPC codes from this company:

GS1 compliant UPC barcodes for all retail items.

250 unique UPC codes for $100!

I like what they had to say on their website also.

This is one of the authenticated sites from the posts above... and the price was excellent. I was used to paying $1.99 per bar code, so to get 250 codes (that are authenticated) for $.40 each... I couldn't resist.
Just called the company and the customer representative was very helpful for a newbie like myself.

Will definitely be purchasing from these people!
 

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Ressurecting this old thread. About to buy a new block of barcodes.

The original reseller I posted about above now is charging 4x what they used to.

Current reading from the Amazon seller forum seems to indicate that what Amazon is looking for is authentic barcodes, but the barcodes seemingly do not have to be registered to you in GS1. Meaning, if they are legit GS1 barcodes that were purchased as legacy (pre-a certain date) then from what I am gathering they still work.

I am intrigued by the fact that there are choices ranging from eBay (pennies per code) to resellers. It appears my old favorite reseller is no longer the value leader in UPC code resale.

Anyone have any current thoughts/experiences on the UPC code topic? Note that when you roll to retail GS1 is probably still recommended, but for eCommerce it seems that resale blocks of GS1 originated blocks of UPC codes are still working.
 

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I just bought 100 barcodes from barcodes mania for $45 this morning and uploaded them with my new products to Amazon. They all worked. I uploaded 40 out of 100 barcodes today. No rejections.
 

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It seems this issue is finally coming to a head. Anyone that tracks Amazon seller boards has seen a flurry of posts over the past week. Seems Amazon is in the process of a catalog purge, having something to do with GS1 barcode matches. Anyone here been affected by this yet?

I registered for the first time with a GS1 prefix for my company in order to legitimize the scalability of the business from the beginning on this new business. I do have a block of resale barcodes, and have used a few of them but based on everything I am reading I am going to duplicate those listings over to a GS1 barcode and then delete the original listings (they have only been live for a few weeks, so no big deal on the listings I am going to kill from the catalog).

In typical fashion, nobody knows exactly what happened over the weekend, but thousands of sellers were taken down over the weekend over "ASIN creation policy violations."

Post what you know.
 

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There are workarounds to Amazon's first level check of the cheap UPC barcodes, but the interesting thing over the weekend was it wan't listings that were taken down... it was seller accounts. Supposedly Amazon is pulling back slightly on that effort over the past 24 hours with a lot of reinstatements, but it doesn't seem like the core issue is going away.
 

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