Antiwork.....what's up with these people?

[14ernovice]

I saw this video from MJ.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zouvwHDLU0&t=5s&pp=ygUTTWogZGVtYXJjbyBhbnRpd29yaw%3D%3D


I also saw the thread from a long time ago regarding antiwork. I think this needs to be brought back up. Considering the antiwork subreddit has 2.5 million subscribers, is this a bunch of enlightened employees who decided that their employer isn't going to dictate their life any longer? Or is it a bunch of socialists/communists who despise anyone who has more than they do?

Overall, what is your opinion of this group?

 

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[Devilery]

The second option (with confidence). Why? Because they're not saying: "working for minimum wage and barely getting by sucks, I'm going to learn useful skills and provide a service to those who appreciate my value." No. Instead, they're rambling about how the world is run by evil capitalists, how the system is rigged, and how everyone but them is at fault.

I haven't read their crap in a while but when I did, I never saw a post: "I hated working in IT, my boss was a real a**hole, so I started my own small agency, hired 2 part-time employees to help, and have now moved to a sunny island in Greece and living life."

They're a big bunch of losers who will spend hours in their loser eco chamber daily, while they could be upskilling themselves, working out, meeting real people, etc.

Of course, some of them have grown up poor, experienced traumas, etc., their vision is distorted and it can be tough to realize that there's more to life, but it's all their fault at this point.

 

[The Janitor]

Ironically enough I think people are like that because they don't work either hard enough or for the right reasons.

These people are the kind who have been coddled by mommy and daddy in safe homes, where food comes from the fridge and money grows in the bank. In this environment "resting" becomes sacred and the meaning of life, while work is the spawn of evil.

These people are not stupid or evil in any way really. They're mostly ignorant of reasons to work and scared of discomfort that comes from working.

Though I'd say that there is a sort of benefit to these kind of movements when talking about purposeless work.

 

[14ernovice]

The second option (with confidence). Why? Because they're not saying: "working for minimum wage and barely getting by sucks, I'm going to learn useful skills and provide a service to those who appreciate my value." No. Instead, they're rambling about how the world is run by evil capitalists, how the system is rigged, and how everyone but them is at fault.

I haven't read their crap in a while but when I did, I never saw a post: "I hated working in IT, my boss was a real a**hole, so I started my own small agency, hired 2 part-time employees to help, and have now moved to a sunny island in Greece and living life."

They're a big bunch of losers who will spend hours in their loser eco chamber daily, while they could be upskilling themselves, working out, meeting real people, etc.

Of course, some of them have grown up poor, experienced traumas, etc., their vision is distorted and it can be tough to realize that there's more to life, but it's all their fault at this point.

Good points

 

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[BigRomeDawg]

@ZCP has the best take on the Antiwork crowd that I've heard- chime in broski!

 

[14ernovice]

@ZCP has the best take on the Antiwork crowd that I've heard- chime in broski!

I'd love to hear it

 

[Johnny boy]

When are you businesspeople going to realize it.

Don't hire liberals!

Hire traditional people.

Every tech company. Every modern corporate bullshit company. Every virtue signaling company. They all make this mistake!

You can bow, cater to, roll out the red carpet for, and be a wonderful boss to these people and they will just F*ck you and say you're oppressing them.

Don't hire them. They are a cancerous tumor to your company.

Do you know why they keep making that mistake?

Here's an example.

You start a company. You are efficacious and driven beyond belief. You kick a$$ and grow it.

You hire people to do the work. You hire great people. Your company succeeds.

You get bigger and need an HR department. You have 50 people. It's overwhelming.

You step away from the hiring. You can still sniff out bad people so it doesn't matter.

Eventually you get BIG. You have employees you will never meet.

Then....it happens.

You hire an MBA to oversee your HR department. Your HR department is soon filled with college propagandized idiots and you never meet the people doing the hiring, much less the people THEY hire.

Now you have been thoroughly infected.

It gets worse the bigger you grow. Layers and layers of idiots hired by idiots. People who do not understand the larger picture.

And it usually has to be that way. You have to give instructions on who to hire. You can't use the same things to decide who to hire and not hire that you used to. You'll catch a lawsuit. Everyone needs to be hired based off a resume so it's standardized. You need to be politically correct now that you're huge.

That is why these stupid companies keep F*cking up and hiring cancerous, instigating, entitled assholes.

If you are not ruthless and careful you will be infected.

As I grow my company, I will be ruthless and careful about our hiring, our HR, our layers of management. I will do everything I can to resist being infected in the same way.

 

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[Kak]

When are you businesspeople going to realize it.

Don't hire liberals!

Hire traditional people.

Every tech company. Every modern corporate bullshit company. Every virtue signaling company. They all make this mistake!

You can bow, cater to, roll out the red carpet for, and be a wonderful boss to these people and they will just F*ck you and say you're oppressing them.

Don't hire them. They are a cancerous tumor to your company.

Do you know why they keep making that mistake?

Here's an example.

You start a company. You are efficacious and driven beyond belief. You kick a$$ and grow it.

You hire people to do the work. You hire great people. Your company succeeds.

You get bigger and need an HR department. You have 50 people. It's overwhelming.

You step away from the hiring. You can still sniff out bad people so it doesn't matter.

Eventually you get BIG. You have employees you will never meet.

Then....it happens.

You hire an MBA to oversee your HR department. Your HR department is soon filled with college propagandized idiots and you never meet the people doing the hiring, much less the people THEY hire.

Now you have been thoroughly infected.

It gets worse the bigger you grow. Layers and layers of idiots hired by idiots. People who do not understand the larger picture.

And it usually has to be that way. You have to give instructions on who to hire. You can't use the same things to decide who to hire and not hire that you used to. You'll catch a lawsuit. Everyone needs to be hired based off a resume so it's standardized. You need to be politically correct now that you're huge.

That is why these stupid companies keep F*cking up and hiring cancerous, instigating, entitled assholes.

If you are not ruthless and careful you will be infected.

As I grow my company, I will be ruthless and careful about our hiring, our HR, our layers of management. I will do everything I can to resist being infected in the same way.

Amen.

In the interview, ask questions that determine locus of control.

Less drama. Less troublemakers. Less problems overall.

Slow to hire quick to fire. If an employee begins to show signs of external locus, just find a way to get rid of them. Business is tough enough without toxic, entitled people.

 

[srodrigo]

The scary thing is that r/antiwork has 2.6m lunatics in there.

 

[14ernovice]

The scary thing is that r/antiwork has 2.6m lunatics in there.

I know that's odd

 

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[Kak]

I recorded this is July of 21. Basically about the anti work people. Episode 222 for those of you with android.

I have no idea what I said, but I can probably still approve.

‎Kyle Keegan Radio Show: Why People CHOOSE To Produce For A Living - Ep 222 on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Kyle Keegan Radio Show, Ep Why People CHOOSE To Produce For A Living - Ep 222 - Jul 28, 2021

podcasts.apple.com

 

[TeeJay_]

I saw this video from MJ.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zouvwHDLU0&t=5s&pp=ygUTTWogZGVtYXJjbyBhbnRpd29yaw%3D%3D


I also saw the thread from a long time ago regarding antiwork. I think this needs to be brought back up. Considering the antiwork subreddit has 2.5 million subscribers, is this a bunch of enlightened employees who decided that their employer isn't going to dictate their life any longer? Or is it a bunch of socialists/communists who despise anyone who has more than they do?

Overall, what is your opinion of this group?

I understand the frustration of those people (coporations don't take about, loyalty doesn't exist, the average income is not enough to retire before you reached your 60s or even find a nice big home on your own, etc.), but the thing is, people get frustrated when they cannot figure out a way to liberate themselves from their frustrating position.

I read somewhere an expression that said that it's impossible to change the direction of the wind if you are not comfortable with it, instead you gotta find a way to adapt yourself and to take advantage of it. Or just go to a less windy place.

When are you businesspeople going to realize it.

Don't hire liberals!

Hire traditional people.

Every tech company. Every modern corporate bullshit company. Every virtue signaling company. They all make this mistake!

You can bow, cater to, roll out the red carpet for, and be a wonderful boss to these people and they will just F*ck you and say you're oppressing them.

Don't hire them. They are a cancerous tumor to your company.

Do you know why they keep making that mistake?

Here's an example.

You start a company. You are efficacious and driven beyond belief. You kick a$$ and grow it.

You hire people to do the work. You hire great people. Your company succeeds.

You get bigger and need an HR department. You have 50 people. It's overwhelming.

You step away from the hiring. You can still sniff out bad people so it doesn't matter.

Eventually you get BIG. You have employees you will never meet.

Then....it happens.

You hire an MBA to oversee your HR department. Your HR department is soon filled with college propagandized idiots and you never meet the people doing the hiring, much less the people THEY hire.

Now you have been thoroughly infected.

It gets worse the bigger you grow. Layers and layers of idiots hired by idiots. People who do not understand the larger picture.

And it usually has to be that way. You have to give instructions on who to hire. You can't use the same things to decide who to hire and not hire that you used to. You'll catch a lawsuit. Everyone needs to be hired based off a resume so it's standardized. You need to be politically correct now that you're huge.

That is why these stupid companies keep F*cking up and hiring cancerous, instigating, entitled assholes.

If you are not ruthless and careful you will be infected.

As I grow my company, I will be ruthless and careful about our hiring, our HR, our layers of management. I will do everything I can to resist being infected in the same way.

I had a terrible work experience once, and to sum it up in a few words: I was very obsessed about growth, about defending our members (we were an organization offering services and governmental representation in the real estate industry), I wanted to create content to make our organization look better in the public opinion and bring in new members with additional value (through education, information, etc) but also increase the sales of our software branch for real estate management. I was even challenging our "enemies" who would comment in our comments section. And I was regularly receiving 'thumbs up' from our members. I like to fight for the people I serve.

And then, a new director for our department was hired. Someone on the other side of the political spectrum who was "too" sensitive about how "evil" landlords were. This director then hired another "very sensitive" coworker who soon started to infect our branding.

We started to receive complaints from our members: "are you defending us, or are you now on the side of our enemy? Hello? Why would I keep paying for my subscription to you guys?"

Anyways, I was more and more on a leash because my ideology was too radical for the director, and that she thought we needed to become softer. My mentality was more competitive: why bow down to our enemies just to buy peace and look like we are not defending the people who represent our income?

1 year later, the organization suffered the worst income numbers of the past 10 years. And I left.

 

[ZCP]

As an employer, professor, coach, and parent; I've see ALL sides.

Summary:
You used to be able to work a job, have a place to live, food to eat, and start a family.
Now you cannot. Thus the dissent.
For those that think they should just 'work harder' or 'get a job' or 'i did it, they can too'...... You are OUT OF TOUCH. The world has changed.
Open a spreadsheet and run the numbers. It is no longer possible. (Anyone that wants to challenge this, let's do a recorded video call and I'll post to my channel where I talk about this constantly, mainly trying to help all the people that are stuck).

https://www.youtube.com/@ZaneEngineersLife

To continue:
Now that doesn't mean you can't. People on this forum definitely can. We are the minority. The extreme minority.
We need to help people find a way. Otherwise Atlas is going to Shrug.

 

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[Oso]

The issue is most people operate on extremes and it causes rifts amongst everyone in every sector of life.

In my parent's generation, and their parent's generation, companies more or less had the mentality of "I'm paying you therefore I own you." Now we have people standing up for worker's rights (that aren't lazy), but we also have the Bernie crowd shouting "F*ck you millionaires and billionaires, YOU are responsible for paying for MY college," which is obviously ridiculous.

All extremes shout out "I'm an adult that never learned how to share." My first experience hiring/firing (outside of previous jobs) was for a brick & mortar I co-owned. Now I'm hiring/firing for an online agency. Being able to open your mind past "F*ck you, how much value can you bring me and my company" enables you to flesh out potential candidates exponentially faster than you would otherwise. Similarly, as an interviewee, being able to open your mind past "F*ck you, how much are you paying me and what are my benefits" will generally lead you to better positions/salaries, with better companies/bosses.

TL;DR: If people stopped being pieces of shit to each other, for literally 3 seconds, everyone would win in the long-run. Unfortunately I don't believe humans are capable of this.

 

[Kevin88660]

I checked out the anti-work Reddit. It seems like a place where people post humorous posts about being overworked and underpaid. Like just rants.

Nothing too harmful.

At the end of the day, no one plans or cares for you but only yourself. The only thing sure is the end-of-month paycheck in a job. No one takes away what you have learned in a job. Don't have too unrealistic expectations.

How can you expect "future growth potential" when there isn't a guaranteed survival of the company you work for today? The reason you are struggling is that everyone is.

Be a responsible worker, do the work, learn the stuff, and save the pay. Be nice to everyone around you. Don't waste time and attention asking for a pay rise. You can boost your personal P&L faster by maximizing the consumption of all the pantry's snacks and cutting your meal expense. Go for weekend overtime in the office and print some of your own business materials so long you don't be too greedy. Turn client network into personal if this is your industry choice for future business attempts. Go for sponsored training...There are a million ways to put your own agenda into a place without coming into conflict with management.

When the place becomes unbearable and you must leave, at least you look at your personal profit and loss statement with a big smile.

 

[hexelbyte]

I'm "AntiWork"
But I'm also
"AntiNotDoingAnythingAboutIt"
"AntiActionFaking"
"AntiEntitlement"
"AntiNotTipping"

 

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[monnffffiiiiiii]

Half of me understands these people.

I'd probably commit suicide if you told me I'd have to be a wage slave for 45 years.

Work is awful.

The problem is that they believe they are owed a life of indulgence.

They're not willing to make efforts for 3-7 years to get rich and never work again.

But overall, I share their feelings. I am not anti-work; I am anti-wage slavery and doing stuff that bore the hell out of me.

 

[EmotionEngine]

Just saw this: The quit rate is returning to 2019 levels.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/31/great-resignation-quitting-boom

The ‘great resignation’ — a trend that defined the pandemic-era labor market — seems to be over

The rate at which workers quit their jobs has declined to pre-pandemic levels as the labor market has gradually cooled.

www.cnbc.com