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<div class="bbWrapper">Helping business owners will always be in demand. Don&#039;t be just a &quot;website guy&quot;. <br /> <br /> Be the guy who helps business owners get more sales online... by developing a killer website.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Hahaha totally, Fox and Dan got everyone on the train. (Not a knock at all, those guys are amazing). Web design is pretty saturated right now indeed, but there is still money to be made. I think the key is working with local businesses that may be more inclined to work with you since you&#039;re in the same city/state.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re feeling really saucey, get into web development. There is a pretty big shortage of developers right now, and it is a higher barrier to entry than just the design stuff because you&#039;re writing code and building custom solutions that cannot be solved through tools that some designers use - elementor and wordpress and such.<br /> <br /> My approach has been: Do web development, get more senior roles, use the great income from the day job to fund other endeavors / invest. But also pick up the skills to build software while you&#039;re on the job so you can apply it to your entrepreneurial projects. It&#039;s a long and arduous process, but the ability to build something solo is invaluable, and (this might be an unpopular opinion - perpetually stuck in the slow lane) learning to code is a pretty future proof skill, so you&#039;ll have the opportunity for well paying jobs in the future if the entrepreneurship goes to shit.<br /> <br /> Check out some bootcamps if you&#039;re wanting to go this route (this is how I learned, bootcamp in 2016), or if you&#039;re a motivated self starter, below this is a great course for learning (no affiliate links or anything, just love the guy and his courses). A note on the course: it says it&#039;s 129.99 right now, it&#039;s a weird marketing tactic udemy uses, but wait a couple days and it will go down to around ten bucks. Good luck to you sir!<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24221" data-url="https://www.udemy.com/course/the-web-developer-bootcamp/" data-host="www.udemy.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fimg-b.udemycdn.com%2Fcourse%2F480x270%2F625204_436a_3.jpg&amp;hash=dbaf92075fa19f65c5879cb78aa94541&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.udemy.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.udemy.com/course/the-web-developer-bootcamp/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="noopener" data-proxy-href=""> The Web Developer Bootcamp: Learn HTML, CSS, Node, and More! </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">COMPLETELY REDONE - The only course you need to learn web development - HTML, CSS, JS, Node, and More!</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.udemy.com%2Fcourse%2Fthe-web-developer-bootcamp%2F&amp;hash=3efcf4f88fbcff5d1d32ae71e334f2b3&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.udemy.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.udemy.com </div> </div> </div> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 37222" data-quote="Empires" data-source="post: 935961" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=935961" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-935961">Empires said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Helping business owners will always be in demand. Don&#039;t be just a &quot;website guy&quot;.<br /> <br /> Be the guy who helps business owners get more sales online... by developing a killer website. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah that makes sense, thanks for the advice.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 62536" data-quote="tigerbalm" data-source="post: 935964" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=935964" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-935964">tigerbalm said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Hahaha totally, Fox and Dan got everyone on the train. (Not a knock at all, those guys are amazing). Web design is pretty saturated right now indeed, but there is still money to be made. I think the key is working with local businesses that may be more inclined to work with you since you&#039;re in the same city/state.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re feeling really saucey, get into web development. There is a pretty big shortage of developers right now, and it is a higher barrier to entry than just the design stuff because you&#039;re writing code and building custom solutions that cannot be solved through tools that some designers use - elementor and wordpress and such.<br /> <br /> My approach has been: Do web development, get more senior roles, use the great income from the day job to fund other endeavors / invest. But also pick up the skills to build software while you&#039;re on the job so you can apply it to your entrepreneurial projects. It&#039;s a long and arduous process, but the ability to build something solo is invaluable, and (this might be an unpopular opinion - perpetually stuck in the slow lane) learning to code is a pretty future proof skill, so you&#039;ll have the opportunity for well paying jobs in the future if the entrepreneurship goes to shit.<br /> <br /> Check out some bootcamps if you&#039;re wanting to go this route (this is how I learned, bootcamp in 2016), or if you&#039;re a motivated self starter, below this is a great course for learning (no affiliate links or anything, just love the guy and his courses). A note on the course: it says it&#039;s 129.99 right now, it&#039;s a weird marketing tactic udemy uses, but wait a couple days and it will go down to around ten bucks. Good luck to you sir!<br /> <br /> <div class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--unfurl js-unfurl fauxBlockLink" data-unfurl="true" data-result-id="24221" data-url="https://www.udemy.com/course/the-web-developer-bootcamp/" data-host="www.udemy.com" data-pending="false"> <div class="contentRow"> <div class="contentRow-figure contentRow-figure--fixedSmall js-unfurl-figure"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fimg-b.udemycdn.com%2Fcourse%2F480x270%2F625204_436a_3.jpg&amp;hash=dbaf92075fa19f65c5879cb78aa94541&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.udemy.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-image" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </div> <div class="contentRow-main"> <h3 class="contentRow-header js-unfurl-title"> <a href="https://www.udemy.com/course/the-web-developer-bootcamp/" class="link link--external fauxBlockLink-blockLink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href=""> The Web Developer Bootcamp: Learn HTML, CSS, Node, and More! </a> </h3> <div class="contentRow-snippet js-unfurl-desc">COMPLETELY REDONE - The only course you need to learn web development - HTML, CSS, JS, Node, and More!</div> <div class="contentRow-minor contentRow-minor--hideLinks"> <span class="js-unfurl-favicon"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.udemy.com%2Fcourse%2Fthe-web-developer-bootcamp%2F&amp;hash=3efcf4f88fbcff5d1d32ae71e334f2b3&amp;return_error=1" loading="lazy" alt="www.udemy.com" class="bbCodeBlockUnfurl-icon" data-onerror="hide-parent"/> </span> www.udemy.com </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>That is exactly what i was thinking man, i justed wanted to know if can still make money out of it because i&#039;m gonna need that to fund the real goals.<br /> Thanks a lot for taking the time and replying to my post. I&#039;m already well familiar with HTML, CSS and Javascript but i&#039;ll buy that bootcamp you recommended.<br /> Thanks again, i appreciate it</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 84570" data-quote="Mohammed ED-DAHB" data-source="post: 935990" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=935990" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-935990">Mohammed ED-DAHB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That is exactly what i was thinking man, i justed wanted to know if can still make money out of it because i&#039;m gonna need that to fund the real goals.<br /> Thanks a lot for taking the time and replying to my post. I&#039;m already well familiar with HTML, CSS and Javascript but i&#039;ll buy that bootcamp you recommended.<br /> Thanks again, i appreciate it </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>How I am interpreting this is that you will become an average web developer. Because you really don’t want to do web design, but are doing it to make money to fund another venture in the future.<br /> <br /> It will be very hard for you to compete against people who do it full-time all the time as their main business.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 84570" data-quote="Mohammed ED-DAHB" data-source="post: 935990" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=935990" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-935990">Mohammed ED-DAHB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> i justed wanted to know if can still make money out of it because i&#039;m gonna need that to fund the real goals. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> There&#039;s no money in web design. Give up.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 28255" data-quote="SEOguy" data-source="post: 936018" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936018" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936018">SEOguy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There&#039;s no money in web design. Give up. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> <script class="js-extraPhrases" type="application/json"> { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } </script> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="oC8e8HL.gif" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoC8e8HL.gif&amp;hash=d3546402e270e969171f5091d61d49bd" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoC8e8HL.gif&amp;hash=d3546402e270e969171f5091d61d49bd" data-url="https://i.imgur.com/oC8e8HL.gif" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="oC8e8HL.gif" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 84570" data-quote="Mohammed ED-DAHB" data-source="post: 935960" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=935960" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-935960">Mohammed ED-DAHB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Literally everyone in this forum is going for web design / web development biz, or anything close to that. Is it still a good choice in 2021? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I also want to learn web design, but also web development, and app development, and programming in general.<br /> <br /> Front end web development and design is just the lowest barrier of entry. But when you get some more skill, the competition drops, because its hard to learn a lot.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Apparently you need to know all the essential web development languages to get a chance in this industry nowadays</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 84570" data-quote="Mohammed ED-DAHB" data-source="post: 936113" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936113" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936113">Mohammed ED-DAHB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Apparently you need to know all the essential web development languages to get a chance in this industry nowadays </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> You speaking the truth today...<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="EiZ8Ds2.gif" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEiZ8Ds2.gif&amp;hash=53fc7a8f1e8472d8ca95219bf72c4669" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEiZ8Ds2.gif&amp;hash=53fc7a8f1e8472d8ca95219bf72c4669" data-url="https://i.imgur.com/EiZ8Ds2.gif" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="EiZ8Ds2.gif" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Web design is not only about designing beautiful websites.<br /> Most people still don&#039;t really understand what it&#039;s about.<br /> <br /> 1. Design Thinking - The advancement of digitalization means there is a lot of opportunity to optimize processes. Even inside the process of optimization, there are still a lot of inefficiencies. That&#039;s why UX design is so big. <b>Design thinking itself is all about solving tangible problems of real people today!</b><br /> For example, when going on a shopping site, were you annoyed that suddenly all your items in the basket disappeared? That&#039;s when UX comes in.<br /> <br /> 2. Digitalization - The web enables businesses to get cheap leads with almost zero-cost. They can connect from the US to any person around the world. And vice versa. It started with the tech bubble in 2000s, and there are still way too many areas to improve on. <b>It&#039;s like modern architecture and engineering and is here to stay.</b></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 28459" data-quote="Mainstream7" data-source="post: 936119" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936119" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936119">Mainstream7 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Web design is not only about designing beautiful websites.<br /> Most people still don&#039;t really understand what it&#039;s about.<br /> <br /> 1. Design Thinking - The advancement of digitalization means there is a lot of opportunity to optimize processes. Even inside the process of optimization, there are still a lot of inefficiencies. That&#039;s why UX design is so big. <b>Design thinking itself is all about solving tangible problems of real people today!</b><br /> For example, when going on a shopping site, were you annoyed that suddenly all your items in the basket disappeared? That&#039;s when UX comes in.<br /> <br /> 2. Digitalization - The web enables businesses to get cheap leads with almost zero-cost. They can connect from the US to any person around the world. And vice versa. It started with the tech bubble in 2000s, and there are still way too many areas to improve on. <b>It&#039;s like modern architecture and engineering and is here to stay.</b> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah you&#039;re totally right. Even today there is still plenty of opportunities for innovation in web development</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">While everyone was busy arguing about market saturation I was in thialand for two months on vacation and made around 4-5k in a month from posting basic craigslist ads and using templates to build websites for businesses in my free time between riding a motorcycle around the island and snorkeling with cute little fishies with my girlfriend. <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/0128f74b69f249c3a0e2cf1f9868bdf8-10662-mp4.37447/" target="_blank">View attachment 0128f74b69f249c3a0e2cf1f9868bdf8[10662].mp4</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/f7fbf620-4e29-4b08-8f4c-847ca9d78264-10666-webp.37448/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/34/34075-c42ef7c6c0c1c3fc04c3652726ae405a.jpg?hash=zQBdqZjm-N" class="bbImage " style="" alt="F7FBF620-4E29-4B08-8F4C-847CA9D78264[10666].webp" title="F7FBF620-4E29-4B08-8F4C-847CA9D78264[10666].webp" width="356" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 936130" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936130" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936130">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> While everyone was busy arguing about market saturation I was in thialand for two months on vacation and made around 4-5k in a month from posting basic craigslist ads and using templates to build websites for businesses in my free time between riding a motorcycle around the island and snorkeling with cute little fishies with my girlfriend. <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/37447/" target="_blank">View attachment 37447</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/37448/" target="_blank">View attachment 37448</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>How long did it take you to get to this level of success?</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 84570" data-quote="Mohammed ED-DAHB" data-source="post: 936134" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936134" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936134">Mohammed ED-DAHB said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How long did it take you to get to this level of success? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>post craigslist ads, put up a template website exactly like <a href="https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/divi-resources/download-a-free-web-agency-divi-layout-pack" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">this one</a>, and don&#039;t be a weirdo when selling them over the phone. takes a day or two.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 936130" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936130" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936130">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> While everyone was busy arguing about market saturation I was in thialand for two months on vacation and made around 4-5k in a month from posting basic craigslist ads and using templates to build websites for businesses in my free time between riding a motorcycle around the island and snorkeling with cute little fishies with my girlfriend. <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> <img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/37447/" target="_blank">View attachment 37447</a><br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/37448/" target="_blank">View attachment 37448</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 936138" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936138" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936138">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> post craigslist ads, put up a template website exactly like <a href="https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/divi-resources/download-a-free-web-agency-divi-layout-pack" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">this one</a>, and don&#039;t be a weirdo when selling them over the phone. takes a day or two. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> How dare you get his/her hopes up like that.<br /> <br /> YoU kNoW iT tOoK yOu 30 YeArS tO bReAk InTo ThIs InDuStRy....</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Read somewhere the other day<br /> &quot;saturation proves that it works&quot;<br /> <br /> sometimes its just how you choose to view things.<br /> <br /> Although I do agree web design is one of the most popular business models right now.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 38282" data-quote="Raoul Duke" data-source="post: 936140" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936140" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936140">Raoul Duke said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> How dare you get his/her hopes up like that.<br /> <br /> YoU kNoW iT tOoK yOu 30 YeArS tO bReAk InTo ThIs InDuStRy.... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Man he is 24<img src="/community/imgs/emoticons/em-rofl.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="ROFL :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 65234" data-quote="Mario_fastlaner" data-source="post: 936149" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936149" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936149">Mario_fastlaner said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Too many people doing web design? Try to help them instead of joining them. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Yeah i just had this idea this morning</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Looking at your location, the sub-saharan bit of your continent is , along with Asia, the fastest growing economic zone in the world.<br /> <br /> All these satellites being fired up into space to get Africa online will provide a massive demand for online services.<br /> <br /> You can see what works in UK/US and apply to the millions of businesses that are starting up and will <b>need</b> connecting to the web.<br /> <br /> Dan</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 936130" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936130" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936130">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> While everyone was busy arguing about market saturation I was in thialand for two months on vacation and made around 4-5k in a month from posting basic craigslist ads and using templates to build websites for businesses </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;ve built a couple of shopify websites I still have lying around on a hard drive I could probably use as a portfolio for social proof or whatever. I know a decent amount about FB ads as well. Care to share the other resources you used? I figure I could find other craigslist ads, call them up and ask about pricing to accurately price my own but is there a formula you follow or point of origin to go down this path? I have a lot of free time the next month or 2 would really like to give this a shot despite what everyone is saying. UX/UI ain&#039;t that hard</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 936138" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=936138" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-936138">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> post craigslist ads, put up a template website exactly like <a href="https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/divi-resources/download-a-free-web-agency-divi-layout-pack" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">this one</a>, and don&#039;t be a weirdo when selling them over the phone. takes a day or two. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Can you be a weirdo over a phone? My accent is &#039;polished&#039;.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I earn some money doing it and the number of amateurs is staggering.<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re going to be successful, you need a grounding in either software development and/or artistry/design.<br /> <br /> I only got involved because I had been doing something else and happened into the higher level technical stuff (core software issues).<br /> <br /> My first programming book, for example, was a beginner&#039;s guide to PHP4 (we&#039;re now up to PHP 8), which I bought when I was 12 or 13 in 2003:<br /> <br /> <div class="bbImageWrapper js-lbImage" title="51l76SGQjAL._UL500_.jpg" data-src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51l76SGQjAL._UL500_.jpg&amp;hash=598cdbd96e57d61abffe8e44d1bd04e8" data-lb-sidebar-href="" data-lb-caption-extra-html="" data-single-image="1"> <img src="/community/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51l76SGQjAL._UL500_.jpg&amp;hash=598cdbd96e57d61abffe8e44d1bd04e8" data-url="https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51l76SGQjAL._UL500_.jpg" class="bbImage" data-zoom-target="1" style="" alt="51l76SGQjAL._UL500_.jpg" title="" width="" height="" loading="lazy" /> </div><br /> <br /> Some things to be aware of: -<br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>There are MANY demanding buyers</u><br /> If you&#039;re getting started and have to work basically for free to get clients, be prepared to deal with some of the most annoying people possible. They will continually pester you for the smallest fixes and will often send constant messages/chats to see progress.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>There are 3 types of buyer</u><br /> The first type is the average person who wants something fixing/repairing. These typically have maybe $50 or something and are looking for someone who can get it done for that price. The constraints of the work determine the price. They can often go up to like $500 depending on what needs to be done.<br /> <br /> The second is someone who wants a higher level implementation (full website build, product site etc). These typically have several thousand to put into a solution and will want to work with someone with design prowess &amp; technical ability to pull it off. These are typically successful &quot;offline&quot; businesses who need a website to remain competitive. The majority of &quot;agencies&quot; out there will serve this type of buyer - $3k,$5k,$10k per project. This is the type <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/33771/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="33771" data-username="@Fox">@Fox</a> targets.<br /> <br /> The third is a company with relatively deep pockets to spend on something substantive. They may have their own digital platform, or some other &quot;mission critical&quot; piece of digital infrastructure that requires constant support &amp; maintenance. I don&#039;t have much experience at this level but I imagine the work to be quite gruelling with extensive amounts of preparation required. Budgets can be in excess of $100k (full app build or similar).<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>There are two types of developer - &quot;paint by numbers&quot; + creators</u><br /> The majority of people scratching a living doing it are &quot;paint by numbers&quot; people. They are getting paid to install a premium Wordpress theme, change the menus/widgets and adding pictures.<br /> <br /> As you&#039;ll appreciate, anyone with 2hrs + a functioning brain can figure out how to do this stuff, which is why these people are to be avoided. If you find yourself heavily relying on the likes of DIVI or Elementor, you need to take a look at your value proposition.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>Websites are a part of a <b>MUCH</b> larger equation</u><br /> Most are high on the digital kool-aid and don&#039;t really consider &quot;why&quot; people are buying so many products online. I am convinced that there will come a point where people disassociate from the Internet like they do TV and radio now. It&#039;s become a massive billboard.<br /> <br /> If you are involved in &quot;web design&quot;, please be weary of adding to the circus. People don&#039;t want to be sold every 2 seconds and will actually deplore attempts to make quick money.<br /> <br /> Of course, you&#039;ll always get people trying to exploit those without self control, but when it&#039;s flagrant, most will see through it (hence bad reviews etc). Online, there are basically 3 ways to make money:<br /> <br /> - Sell an existing (in demand) product cheaper<br /> - Sell a new (innovative) product at a premium<br /> - Build a community around something extraordinary &amp; sell products from that<br /> <br /> If you&#039;re not doing the first, you&#039;re doing the second. The third is for influencers.<br /> <br /> If you are doing the second, you need to look at what <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/members/47734/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="47734" data-username="@Black_Dragon43">@Black_Dragon43</a> has written before about marketing to understand how to create an effective (and valuable) funnel. Being able to present a product in a way which triggers someone to buy it is basically where the &quot;real&quot; value of a web dev lies.<br /> <br /> Succinctly, you need one reason why your product is different (preferably better) than what exists. You then create a digital experience (website) showcasing the core benefits of what you&#039;ve got, and then use some marketing magic to get people interested. If you&#039;ve got the experience, you will supplement this with <i><u>offline</u></i> traffic generation (advertising/PR) to drive demand.<br /> <br /> <b><u>ALL</u></b> digital values derives from the following formula: <u>traffic x conversion = sales</u>.<br /> <br /> If you aren&#039;t getting someone traffic, you need to make sure you&#039;re converting what they get already.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u>The real money is in PLATFORMS</u><br /> The big money lies in the ability to create a platform (SAAS).<br /> <br /> To own a platform which is a) useful, b) high value, c) popular, d) worth paying for is one of the most valuable business models in the modern world. Not only do you get recurring cashflow, but you&#039;re able to add/change the product as the market evolves.<br /> <br /> Every big player in the digital space should be focused on the creation of an effective platform to keep users coming back.<br /> <br /> If I owned Gymshark, for example, it&#039;s where I would be focusing the majority of my R&amp;D spend. Getting people into a space where they are able to keep themselves fit &amp; moving towards higher quality goals is basically what the brand represents, and providing them with the ability to a) showcase their progress, b) network with others, c) get discounts/introductions to similar brands &amp; generally build a new &quot;fit family&quot; is what will amplify their offering.<br /> <br /> The clothing would become <i>a step</i> along the brand journey (not the destination as it is now), allowing the business to multiply its revenue without having to acquire more customers.<br /> <br /> Of course, they won&#039;t do that, they&#039;re 100% dependent on Shopify lol, why would they put $1m&#039;s into their own bespoke SAAS solution (that&#039;s where someone like me comes in).<br /> <br /> -<br /> <br /> In other words, if you want to &quot;get rich&quot; with web design, dump any money you make into an actual asset (brandable platform). The quality and depth of the platform drives its worth. This is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopify#History" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener">how Shopify started</a>.</li> </ol>There is a bunch more stuff I could add, but I&#039;ll just say that &quot;web design&quot; is basically like what typesetting was back in the day - a means to help someone get their message across.<br /> <br /> As you&#039;ll probably appreciate, none of what I have mentioned here touches on the &quot;technology&quot; aspect at all. That&#039;s because the real value of the web is the way in which it helps companies reach a wider audience.<br /> <br /> Understanding how to get in front of that audience and provide an offer they are inclined to want to purchase is where the value lies. And when you&#039;re competing with someone who&#039;s got like 17 years experience with PHP, Ruby, C, marketing, selling, art direction etc, you have to provide results.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">I really believe the “it’s too saturated” mindset is just another way your brain tricks itself into not taking action. Go out there and figure out if it’s too saturated for your self. Figure out how to do things differently than the other 10,000 people that took the same Tai Lopez course. No one has all the answers for you. Sitting on the sidelines wondering if things are too saturated isn’t productive</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">&quot;Saturation&quot; is just another SCRIPTED term to cause inaction on your part. While yes, saturation in a market is a real thing, whether is it a positive or a negative aspect in a market is up to the viewer&#039;s mindset. <br /> <br /> A SCRIPTED entrepreneur sees a saturated market and thinks &quot;There&#039;s too much competition. Everyone is doing it. It will drive the prices down. I shouldn&#039;t do this.&quot;<br /> An UNSCRIPTED entrepreneur sees a saturated market and thinks &quot;There&#039;s a reason this market is saturated. It&#039;s because there&#039;s a bunch of imbeciles charging low rates for low value (literally most of web design). There&#039;s actually very little competition in this regard. If I find a way to differentiate myself in this market and provide lots of value, I can make good money. I can do this.&quot;<br /> <br /> Probably the number one thing you should take away from this forum is that your mindset defines who you are and who you will be.</div>
 
<div class="bbWrapper">Web design is not a good long term choice.<br /> <br /> I think overall four very profitable and versatile business skills are:<br /> - how to build something<br /> - how to sell it<br /> - how to manage yourself<br /> - then how to manage a team and/or systems<br /> <br /> If you have these four skills already and the means to back yourself then probably just skip web design.Go find a market need and build a solid valuable business around it. There is little reason to do web freelancing in this scenario unless you want some extra cash flow.<br /> <br /> If you don&#039;t have these skills though then I think some time in web design can help build them if you take it serious for a time but also don&#039;t plan to get stuck there forever. You learn what needs to be built for other businesses, why they need it, how to sell it, and how to manage yourself, and how to get it completed.<br /> <br /> It 100% isn&#039;t quick money and depending on how badly you need to learn the above skills it can be tough.<br /> <br /> To know if it makes sense for a person to do web design is relative to where they are at right now. Again web design is not a good choice if you are already skilled up and ready to fully solve a big need in the market. <br /> <br /> Of course this is my personal view point and I also teach it this way but to me this approach makes the most sense.</div>
 

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