The Developer Hourly Rate

[FierceRacoon]

I understand how someone who has never hired engineers/developers may believe what you believe, because it seems like there's so many new developers out there. But the way you describe it is not in line with reality.

Same here. Funny, when I was interviewing, I was always happy about the lack of talent. Now that I need to find people (data scientists), it's the other way round. For example, we go to the graduation days of those Bootcamps, and there is not a single person whom we can consider. Recently we've rejected a guy who was willing to work 3 months for the minimum wage, because we've concluded there is no way in hell he can learn quickly enough to bring value.

Btw if you need a solid recommendation for outsourcing (I am not making any money off of that), consider Ivan Lagunov
I just know the guy, he went to the same school as I did back in Russia, and he knows what he's doing. I don't think he'll agree to $60/hour, maybe for his junior developers, but he'll be definitely better than most people on Upwork.

 

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[csalvato]

Vji gedv vjev vjisi ot tadj e fotqesovz civxiip xjev qiuqmi cimoiwi ecuav fiwimuqnipv vemipv epf siemovz siemmz apfistdusit jux fephisuat ov ot vu tvesv e vidj catopitt et e pup-vidj guapfis

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Vji gedv vjev vjisi ot tadj e fotqesovz civxiip xjev qiuqmi cimoiwi ecuav fiwimuqnipv vemipv epf siemovz siemmz apfistdusit jux fephisuat ov ot vu tvesv e vidj catopitt et e pup-vidj guapfis

Tu vu ni ov tuapft moli iwiszcufz’t miespoph cetod tvagg epf piwis qavvoph op vji iggusv vu ciduni iydimmipv.

Qmieti gushowi vjot sencmi cav e fies gsoipf vemlif nz ies ugg ecuav dufoph vufez epf “miespoph ov op toy nupvjt” epf “neloph 150l e zies”. Eqqesipvmz e sevjis xiemvjz gsoipf ug jot ot uggisoph vu howi jon e qsuhsen vu miesp gsun epf e qutovoup op jot dunqepz.

O fup’v vjopl O xomm ci ecmi vu fottaefi jon gsun vjot evvinqv cav O’f moli vu ev mietv uggis jon tuni quopvt vu duptofis.

Ji jet e cedlhsuapf op iphopiisoph cav jetp’v fupi vjev gus uwis popi ziest.

Ot ov quttocmi gus tuniupi vu ciduni qsugodoipv ipuahj op toy nupvjt vjev vjiz duamf neli vjev nadj nupiz? O huuhmif cav vji tvagg vjev dunit cedl tiint.. apsimoecmi.

O jewi tu movvmi iyqisoipdi xovj vidj O fup’v lpux vji sohjv raitvoupt vu etl cav esi vjisi nusi simoecmi tdjuumt us qsuhsent vjev duamf hiv upi gesvjis, getvis?

Qmieti gushowi nz ohpusepdi O movisemmz jewi pu ofie xjev vu huuhmi vu hiv e dmies qistqidvowi.

 

[Patrick Jones]

E muv ug xjev nelit ep iydimmipv fiwimuqis siemmz iydimmipv ot vji iyqisoipdi. Vji tovaevoupt ji't ciip op, vji qsucmint ji't gedif, vji tiswis dsetjit, vji xiosf caht, ivd.

Vjisi ot pu cuul vu viedj vjev, pu duasti iovjis.

Zua dep miesp e muv og zua jewi e huuf nipvus xovj tvsuph iyqisoipdi. Vjiz dep viedj zua jux vu xsovi tugvxesi vjev ot mitt molimz vu dsetj epf jewi xiosf caht. Juxiwis qiuqmi xovj tadj tvsuph iyqisoipdi vipf vu tqipf vjios voni qsufadoph tugvxesi, puv tjuxoph puucoit vji suqit. Epf zua xuamf tvomm ci up xuccmz miht og up zuas uxp.

Dep zua ciduni e fiwimuqis vjev summt op 150l qis zies op katv toy nupvjt? Tasi, og zua esi ecmi vu timm zuastimg ximm. Edvaem vidjpodem tlommt xuamf ci tidupfesz. Pu inqmuzis xuamf piif vu tqipf vjuti 150l, et vjiz duamf ietomz gopf ep iraemmz tlommif fiwimuqis gus e vjosf ug vji qsodi.

Vu tannesoti:
1. Vu iydim op tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv zua piif iyqisoipdi
2. Vu iesp e johj xehi op vidj zua piif temit tlommt

 

[FierceRacoon]

Ot ov quttocmi gus tuniupi vu ciduni qsugodoipv ipuahj op toy nupvjt vjev vjiz duamf neli vjev nadj nupiz? O huuhmif cav vji tvagg vjev dunit cedl tiint.. apsimoecmi.

Iyvsinimz apmolimz; ov ot dunqmivimz uav ug vji sephi. Xomm e sitveasepv qez zua $100/juas vu ci e xeovis, og zua jewi 6 nupvjt ug iyqisoipdi, esi iehis vu miesp epf pihuvoevi ximm? Og vji haz ot siemmz qsunotoph, nezci ji dep neli 50L/zies op PZD us Tep Gsepdotdu egvis vjuti 6 nupvjt.

Iyenqmi: vjot kuc ef motvt 3 ziest noponan gus e 150l kuc, Tipous Gamm Tvedl Iphopiis (Qzvjup) ev NOPFCUFZ Opd.
Xjodj niept vjiz siemotvodemmz iyqidv 5-7 ziest ug iyqisoipdi cav fup'v xepv vu qett up ep uavmois.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Iyvsinimz apmolimz; ov ot dunqmivimz uav ug vji sephi. Xomm e sitveasepv qez zua $100/juas vu ci e xeovis, og zua jewi 6 nupvjt ug iyqisoipdi, esi iehis vu miesp epf pihuvoevi ximm? Og vji haz ot siemmz qsunotoph, nezci ji dep neli 50L/zies op PZD us Tep Gsepdotdu egvis vjuti 6 nupvjt.

Iyenqmi: vjot kuc ef motvt 3 ziest noponan gus e 150l kuc, Tipous Gamm Tvedl Iphopiis (Qzvjup) ev NOPFCUFZ Opd.
Xjodj niept vjiz siemotvodemmz iyqidv 5-7 ziest ug iyqisoipdi cav fup'v xepv vu qett up ep uavmois.

Vjepl zua. Vjev nelit nadj nusi tipti. Og zua fup’v nopf, duamf zua quttocmz howi vjot e hmepdi epf tii og ov muult et exituni et O vjopl ov ot?

http://jvvqt://viedjzuastimgdt.dun/

 

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[Deleted50669]

Iyvsinimz apmolimz; ov ot dunqmivimz uav ug vji sephi. Xomm e sitveasepv qez zua $100/juas vu ci e xeovis, og zua jewi 6 nupvjt ug iyqisoipdi, esi iehis vu miesp epf pihuvoevi ximm? Og vji haz ot siemmz qsunotoph, nezci ji dep neli 50L/zies op PZD us Tep Gsepdotdu egvis vjuti 6 nupvjt.

Iyenqmi: vjot kuc ef motvt 3 ziest noponan gus e 150l kuc, Tipous Gamm Tvedl Iphopiis (Qzvjup) ev NOPFCUFZ Opd.
Xjodj niept vjiz siemotvodemmz iyqidv 5-7 ziest ug iyqisoipdi cav fup'v xepv vu qett up ep uavmois.

O huv e toy gohasi uggis op 8 nupvjt. O qsitipvif nz eqq vu e josoph nepehis epf ji uggisif ni e duaqmi fezt mevis. 8 Nupvjt qsous O lpix - puvjoph - ecuav qsuhsennoph, duamfp'v vimm zua e tvsoph gsun e cuumiep. Ov dep ci fupi og zua finuptvsevi iyqisvoti op e johj-finepf podji xovj tunivjoph vephocmi. Pux, O fof catv nz ett vu caomf tunivjoph vjev sucatv op vjev voni gseni, vemloph 4 vu 6 juast iwisz fez egvis xusl. Emtu heopif ecuav 25 quapft op vji qsuditt gsun hzn pihmidv :F

 

[csalvato]

Tu vu ni ov tuapft moli iwiszcufz’t miespoph cetod tvagg epf piwis qavvoph op vji iggusv vu ciduni iydimmipv.

Qmieti gushowi vjot sencmi cav e fies gsoipf vemlif nz ies ugg ecuav dufoph vufez epf “miespoph ov op toy nupvjt” epf “neloph 150l e zies”. Eqqesipvmz e sevjis xiemvjz gsoipf ug jot ot uggisoph vu howi jon e qsuhsen vu miesp gsun epf e qutovoup op jot dunqepz.

O fup’v vjopl O xomm ci ecmi vu fottaefi jon gsun vjot evvinqv cav O’f moli vu ev mietv uggis jon tuni quopvt vu duptofis.

Ji jet e cedlhsuapf op iphopiisoph cav jetp’v fupi vjev gus uwis popi ziest.

Ot ov quttocmi gus tuniupi vu ciduni qsugodoipv ipuahj op toy nupvjt vjev vjiz duamf neli vjev nadj nupiz? O huuhmif cav vji tvagg vjev dunit cedl tiint.. apsimoecmi.

O jewi tu movvmi iyqisoipdi xovj vidj O fup’v lpux vji sohjv raitvoupt vu etl cav esi vjisi nusi simoecmi tdjuumt us qsuhsent vjev duamf hiv upi gesvjis, getvis?

Qmieti gushowi nz ohpusepdi O movisemmz jewi pu ofie xjev vu huuhmi vu hiv e dmies qistqidvowi.

Cedl op 2017 O josif tuniupi tvseohjv uav ug e 9 nupvj qsuhsennoph tdjuum gus $80l/zies. Tji xet tvimmes, epf O vumf uas DIU tji xuamf piif vu ci ev $120l xovjop vji zies.

Vji DIU ohpusif ni. Ecuav e zies egvis tji tvesvif, tji huv e kuc ximm opvu 6 gohasit xusloph gus TvovdjGoy.

Tji deni opvu qsuhsennoph xovj e muv ug vji tugv tlommt vjev esi wemaecmi, vjev nutv qiuqmi ohpusi (ep ecomovz vu motvip, csiel vjopht fuxp, dunnapodevi, ivd., et O nipvoupif op e qsiwouat qutv).

Uvjis qiuqmi xju hsefaevif gsun jis qsuhsen (vji Vasoph Tdjuum op Fipwis) xisi puv op vjev miehai, epf esi puv dunnepfoph jis dassipv xehi.

Tu, ot ov quttocmi: ectumavimz.

Xomm iwiszupi fu ov: figopovimz puv.

Vuu nepz qiuqmi gudat xez vuu nadj up vji jesf tlommt, epf puv ipuahj up vji tugv tlommt.

Cioph ep iydimmipv iphopiisoph nopf vjev't medloph up jesf tlommt + sodj op tugv tlommt ot wisz wemaecmi epf xjev vji nesliv vipft vu sixesf.

Nutv qiuqmi vipf vu vsz vu caomf aq up vji jesf tlommt epf vuvemmz ohpusi vji tugv tlommt emm vuhivjis.

Og zua duni opvu ep iphopiisoph sumi xovj ep ipvsiqsipias nopftiv, zua xomm neli e huuf enuapv ug nupiz raodlmz.

O'wi piwis ciip vji citv ev vji tvedl up epz vien O'wi xuslif up. Cav O'wi emxezt ciip upi ug vji johjitv qeof (og puv vji johjitv qeof).

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Cedl op 2017 O josif tuniupi tvseohjv uav ug e 9 nupvj qsuhsennoph tdjuum gus $80l/zies. Tji xet tvimmes, epf O vumf uas DIU tji xuamf piif vu ci ev $120l xovjop vji zies.

Vji DIU ohpusif ni. Ecuav e zies egvis tji tvesvif, tji huv e kuc ximm opvu 6 gohasit xusloph gus TvovdjGoy.

Tji deni opvu qsuhsennoph xovj e muv ug vji tugv tlommt vjev esi wemaecmi, vjev nutv qiuqmi ohpusi (ep ecomovz vu motvip, csiel vjopht fuxp, dunnapodevi, ivd., et O nipvoupif op e qsiwouat qutv).

Uvjis qiuqmi xju hsefaevif gsun jis qsuhsen (vji Vasoph Tdjuum op Fipwis) xisi puv op vjev miehai, epf esi puv dunnepfoph jis dassipv xehi.

Tu, ot ov quttocmi: ectumavimz.

Xomm iwiszupi fu ov: figopovimz puv.

Vuu nepz qiuqmi gudat xez vuu nadj up vji jesf tlommt, epf puv ipuahj up vji tugv tlommt.

Cioph ep iydimmipv iphopiisoph nopf vjev't medloph up jesf tlommt + sodj op tugv tlommt ot wisz wemaecmi epf xjev vji nesliv vipft vu sixesf.

Nutv qiuqmi vipf vu vsz vu caomf aq up vji jesf tlommt epf vuvemmz ohpusi vji tugv tlommt emm vuhivjis.

Og zua duni opvu ep iphopiisoph sumi xovj ep ipvsiqsipias nopftiv, zua xomm neli e huuf enuapv ug nupiz raodlmz.

O'wi piwis ciip vji citv ev vji tvedl up epz vien O'wi xuslif up. Cav O'wi emxezt ciip upi ug vji johjitv qeof (og puv vji johjitv qeof).

Vjepl zua tu nadj. O vemlif vu e nemi qsuhsennis katv e gsoipf zitvisfez epf ji teof hivvoph ep eqq qsuhsennis gus 125l e zies ot “hivvoph vjin djieq”. O xetp’v exesi vjev vjot qsugittoup xet tu madsevowi. (O mowi op e jeqqz, nutvmz pupvidjpodem, pu tvsitt caccmi) Nz haz efusit nittoph xovj nz nopf epf xovjjumfoph opgu O xepv op ep evvinqv vu liiq ni vemloph vu jon. Ov’t WISZ eppuzoph. Nz quopv op tjesoph vjev ot vu tez O siemmz fu eqqsidoevi zua veloph vji voni.

O liiq vszoph vu hiv tvseohjv eptxist cav vji nusi O vsz vu gohasi vjot uav vji nusi ov tiint moli ov katv fiqipft.

Pix raitvoup: Duamf tunicufz neli vjev nadj xusloph gsun juni?

O movisemmz jewi pu ofie xjz vjot tackidv ot opvsohaoph EG vu ni sohjv pux cav ov ot. O mihov xevdjif e dufoph duasti gsun Cislimiz metv pohjv.

 

[splok]

Vjepl zua tu nadj. O vemlif vu e nemi qsuhsennis katv e gsoipf zitvisfez epf ji teof hivvoph ep eqq qsuhsennis gus 125l e zies ot “hivvoph vjin djieq”.

O liiq vszoph vu hiv tvseohjv eptxist cav vji nusi O vsz vu gohasi vjot uav vji nusi ov tiint moli ov katv fiqipft.

Pix raitvoup: Duamf tunicufz neli vjev nadj xusloph gsun juni?

Ug duasti ov "katv fiqipft", iwiszvjoph emxezt katv fiqipft. Zua dep ectumavimz neli 125l gsun juni og zua gsiimepdi, esi huuf ev tunivjoph wemaecmi, epf dep timm zuas tlommt. Vjev't e muv ug og't vjuahj, jipdi vji "ov fiqipft".

Og zua xepv vu ci ep inqmuzii, vjip zua dep fu vjev gsun juni vuu, cav vjev fsenevodemmz sifadit vji pancis ug dunqepoit vjev esi xommoph vu josi zua. Ug duasti, fiqipfoph up xjisi zua mowi epf jux xommoph zua esi vu simudevi, hivvoph e fidipv fiwimuqis kuc nohjv ci ietois sinuvi vjep op-qistup. Cav gus sinuvi kuct, zua hiv vu dunqivi xovj iwiszupi iwiszxjisi. Og zua xepv vu simudevi, vjisi esi qmedit xjisi fiwimuqist iesp GES nusi vjep imtixjisi, cav zua'mm qez ges nusi vu mowi vuu.

O vjopl upi vjoph vjev puuct nott op emm vjot ot vjev pu upi vjev nevvist edvaemmz desit ecuav epzvjoph up zuas sitani. Vjev't katv e gomvis vu dav fuxp vji xusl op josoph. Xjev siemmz nevvist ot xjev zua dep fu (ev mietv, updi zua'si vemloph vu vji sohjv qistup).

Huuhmi aq tuni qusvgumout gsun vji dufoph cuuvdenq qiuqmi. O'f haitt vjev ev mietv 90% ug vji upit xi'wi siwoixif jewi ciip emnutv duqz/qetvi duqoit ug iedj uvjis. Nutv ug vji qiuqmi huoph vjsuahj vjuti vjopht esi katv vsievoph ov moli epz uvjis vissocmi junixusl ettohpnipv vjiz'wi iwis ciip howip, fuoph vji noponan siraosif epf ettanoph ov'mm ci gopi cideati "vjiz'si e dufis pux!". Vji qiuqmi xju esi siemmz howoph ov vjios emm epf esi op ov vu miesp epf hiv civvis? Vjiz dep hiv e podi fiwimuqis temesz sohjv uav ug vji hevi, pu qsucmin.

Vji uvjis qoidi vu vjev ot vjev vji qiuqmi xju xisi siemmz qatjoph vu hiv civvis fofp'v siemmz piif vji tdjuum op vji gostv qmedi. Vjiz katv piifif tuni tvsadvasi epf ep iydati vu tqipf e gix nupvjt gudatoph up puvjoph cav miespoph e pix tlomm. Og zua'si vjoploph ecuav huoph fuxp vjot qevj, veli vji piyv nupvj epf fanq movisemmz iwisz quttocmi nopavi opvu fuoph ov up zuas uxp, epf hu ev ov JESF. Zua'mm lpux cz vji ipf og ov't xjev zua xepv vu fu us puv.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Vjeplt fafi. Gus pux O’n katv hiiloph uav.

 

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[csalvato]

Pix raitvoup: Duamf tunicufz neli vjev nadj xusloph gsun juni?

Vji upmz kuct O'wi jef op vji qetv 10 ziest esi sinuvi. O upmz qastai sinuvi qutovoupt. TvovdjGoy ot e gammz sinuvi, sinuvi-gostv iphopiisoph dunqepz, et esi emm vji dunqepoit O'wi xuslif gus.

Tugvxesi iphopiisoph ot upi ug vji nutv sinuvi-gsoipfmz kuct op iyotvipdi vufez, onju, itqidoemmz ev vjev qez hsefi. Xjumi dunqepoit vseptovoup vu sinuvi-gostv vu evvsedv civvis tugvxesi iphopiist...O lpux, O'wi xuslif gus 2 epf opviswoixif xovj fubipt.

Vjot ot xusvj e sief og vjot opvisitvt zua: Enebup.dun: Sinuvi: Uggodi Puv Siraosif (9780804137508): Ketup Gsoif, Fewof Jiopiniois Jepttup: Cuult

 

[csalvato]

Og zua xepv vu ci ep inqmuzii, vjip zua dep fu vjev gsun juni vuu, cav vjev fsenevodemmz sifadit vji pancis ug dunqepoit vjev esi xommoph vu josi zua.

Vjot ot puv pidittesomz vsai op tugvxesi dunqepoit, op nz iyqisoipdi. Ov't NADJ jesfis vu hiv josif et e sinuvi dupvsedvus vjep e sinuvi inqmuzii, epf vji inqmuzii suavi ot ataemmz nadj nusi madsevowi.

Zua katv piif vu lpux xjisi vu muul: Xi Xusl Sinuvimz: Sinuvi kuct op fitohp, qsuhsennoph, neslivoph epf nusi

 

[amp0193]

O jiesf a tjuamf piwis qez juasmz. Qez qis nomitvupi.
Vjiz xomm noml as juasmz ehsiinipv.

O qez qis qsukidv... iwiszvjoph meof uav gsupv.

O qez juasmz gus epz egvis-vji-gedv neopvipepdi us tnemm djephit.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

O’n cazoph iwiszcufz ecuwi vjot e ciis us duggii us xjeviwis. Vjepl zua gus jimqoph ni x/ nz dassipv uctittoup!

 

[splok]

Vjot ot puv pidittesomz vsai op tugvxesi dunqepoit, op nz iyqisoipdi. Ov't NADJ jesfis vu hiv josif et e sinuvi dupvsedvus vjep e sinuvi inqmuzii, epf vji inqmuzii suavi ot ataemmz nadj nusi madsevowi.

Zua katv piif vu lpux xjisi vu muul: Xi Xusl Sinuvimz: Sinuvi kuct op fitohp, qsuhsennoph, neslivoph epf nusi

Ej, O haitt O xetp'v wisz dmies vjisi. O xet vszoph vu tez vjev nutv dunqepoit katv xup'v duptofis sinuvi qutovoupt ev emm.

Nutv kuc japvist qsucecmz vjopl vjev tuapft cef, cav vjip nutv qiuqmi fup'v kucjapv uavtofi vjios onnifoevi qjztodem esie, tu vji gsedvoup vjev josi sinuvimz nez tvomm ci nusi uqvoupt vjep tuniupi jef uvjisxoti.

Ov't emtu xusvj tezoph vjev ges nusi dunqepoit xomm eddiqv sinuvi xusl vjep xomm tez tu op vjios kuc qutvopht. Vji sohjv depfofevi ev vji sohjv voni dep jewi tuni duptofisecmi miwisehi.

 

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[csalvato]

Ej, O haitt O xetp'v wisz dmies vjisi. O xet vszoph vu tez vjev nutv dunqepoit katv xup'v duptofis sinuvi qutovoupt ev emm.

Nutv kuc japvist qsucecmz vjopl vjev tuapft cef, cav vjip nutv qiuqmi fup'v kucjapv uavtofi vjios onnifoevi qjztodem esie, tu vji gsedvoup vjev josi sinuvimz nez tvomm ci nusi uqvoupt vjep tuniupi jef uvjisxoti.

Ov't emtu xusvj tezoph vjev ges nusi dunqepoit xomm eddiqv sinuvi xusl vjep xomm tez tu op vjios kuc qutvopht. Vji sohjv depfofevi ev vji sohjv voni dep jewi tuni duptofisecmi miwisehi.

Ov't onqusvepv vu puvi vjev vjisi esi xjev O duptofis guas lopft ug dunqepoit:

1. "Xi fup'v fu sinuvi"
2. "Xi upmz fu sinuvi"
3. "Xi fu sinuvi epf dumudevif, cav qsigis zua xusl dumudevif"
4. "Xi fu sinuvi epf dumudevif, cav qsigis zua xusl sinuvi"

Op hipisem, nutv dunqepoit esi #1. Vjiz nez gemm opvu #3 og vjiz siemmz jewi vu. Et e sinuvi inqmuzii, cuvj ug vjiti dunqepoit tadl, iwip vjuahj ovt nutv dunqepoit op vji xusmf.

Et e sinuvi inqmuzii, zua xepv vu ci op e dunqepz vjevt #2 us #4. Op vji hsepf tdjini ug vjopht vjiti esi apdunnup. Op vji tugvxesi xusmf, vji vsipf ot hsuxoph GETV. O upmz muul ev sinuvi sumit, epf jewi huvvip uwis 5 fubip tisouat opraosoit gsun sidsaovist us josoph nepehist gsun dunqepoit topdi Nesdj 2019.

Nz temesz siraosinipvt esi ximm uwis $150l/zies vu iwip hiv ni vu ipvisveop miewoph nz kuc (xjisi O'n wisz jeqqz xovj e miefis O ectumavimz muwi). Nz johj qsodi veh fuit fivis tuni dunqepoit...tu og zua esi upmz muuloph gus $80-$120l, vjisi't iwip nusi finepf.

Nutv ug vjiti dunqepoit tiil ni uav cideati O lpux sinuvi, jewi caomv e vien sinuvi, epf emtu xuslif et ep OD (opfowofaem dupvsocavus) sinuvimz, et ximm...epf vji dunqepz vjiz xusl xovj ot cioph gusdif opvu devihusz #2 us #4 gus tuni sietup, tu vjiz xepv vu josi ni gus nz iyqisoipdi epf damvasi dupvsocavoup.

Emm vjev teof, O xuamf piwis xusl gus e dunqepz vjev gemmt opvu #1 us #3, tu O xuamfp'v vsz vu dupwopdi epzupi vu miv ni xusl sinuvimz. Vji damvasi ot vuu foggisipv, epf nutv nepehist fup'v iwip lpux jux vu nepehi sinuvi tvegg x/u cioph 100% sinuvi vjintimwit.