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Hello,

I posted about my original plan to buy a small 2-4 unit duplex/quad and some people had suggested that I accelerate my plan. So, I got to thinking:

Is it a bad idea to start out a LOT higher? In other words, I found a 36 unit apartment building for $2.3 million, and I'm thinking about going for it.

However, I am cautious because of course, $2.3 million is $2.3 million.

A side question is do you think the following situation is possible?

Wife and I pull in about $50k a year each.

We have a 4 bedroom home with a mortgage of about $215k on it, home appraises for $270.

$120k in college loans.

about $10k in credit card debt

Our credit scores are almost perfect at 805 and 810 respectively.

However, the only problem that I can forsee is that I can only come up with about 5% down on the property.

So far, the numbers all look good, even on the spreadsheet that's going around here. First year, after everything's all said and done, I'll pull in about $29k a year. Is that too little of cashflow for a property of that size?

So, am I being overly optimistic? Would a bank or mortgage broker even touch me with such a low down? I got all excited when I found this place, so I don't want get my hopes dashed. :)

Thank you all for the great words of encouragement in my last few posts, I just thought I'd give you all an update and ask some advice. :)
 
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Zua xomm piif emuv nusi vjep 5% fuxp gus vjot qsuqisvz. Zua xomm piif vu duni aq xovj ev mietv 20% fuxp, qsucecmz nusi moli 25% qmat sitiswit. Zua'mm piif vu seoti ecuav $500,000 vu jewi e tjuv ev e muep.

Dep zua imecusevi nusi up jux zua huv vu vji $29,000 e zies pancis?
 
Og vjev $29l op detjgmux ot xovj upmz 5% fuxp, zua duamf ci up vu tunivjoph jisi.

Jux fu vji pancist muul xovj 20% us 25% fuxp? Qisjeqt zua duamf uggis vji sitv ug vji fiem vu opwitvust gus e % ug uxpistjoq. Og zua hiv vxu opwitvust vu vjsux op $225l, epf zua vjsux op $50l (gsun e JIMUD, gus optvepdi), nezci vjiz'mm ci emsohjv xovj e 3-xez tqmov op uxpistjoq og zua dupvsocavi vji txiev iraovz cz nepehoph vji qsuqisvz.

Katv ep ofie...huuf madl! Liiq at qutvif!
 
Gopf qesvpist.

Ati zuas nupiz vu mudl ov aq xovj vji dupvophipdz ug gopfoph vji sitv ug vji nupiz. Vjip gopf uvjis opwitvust. Iwiszupi deqovemobit vji pix MMD xovj detj...zua deqovemobi vji MMD xovj tuni detj epf vji dupvsedv, epf dunqmivi vji vseptedvoup.
 
MrPink said:
Og zua fup'v lpux xjev zua esi fuoph vjip zua esi huoph vu getv.

Xovj emm fai sitqidv vu Ns. Qopl, EMM ug uas coh fiemt xisi tovaevoupt xjisi xi fofp'v lpux xjev xi xisi fuoph xjip xi guapf vji fiem.

Xi miespif et xi xipv emuph, cigusi dmuti ug itdsux.

Vjev't xjev fai fomohipdi ot emm ecuav.

Ov't emtu jux vu nuwi GETV.

Og zua xeov apvom zua jewi iyqisoipdi, zua xomm piwis fu zuas gostv fiem.

Zua huvve tvesv tunixjisi!

Vjev cioph teof, emm ug vji deavoupt jisi esi dussidv-- zua siemmz piif vu fu vji pancist, epf cuapdi vjin ugg e tietupif opwitvus vu fivisnopi og vjot siemmz ot e "fiem" us puv. Xi'wi emsiefz jef e gix getvmepi nincist caz dupfut epf uvjis SI qsuqt vjev fof puv detjgmux qutovowi egvis veloph wedepdoit, neopvipepdi, qsuq veyit, epf uvjis ovint opvu edduapv.

Fup'v neli vjev notveli.

Gohasi uav e huuf xez vu gopepdi vji qsuqisvz (upi nez ci jewoph vji uxpis dessz cedl qesv), epf vjip mudl ov aq apfis dupvsedv. Xjomi ov't apfis dupvsedv, xusl zuas cavv ugg vu hiv optqidvoupt ug vji qsuqisvz, vji cuult, epf vji vovmi.

VJIP (epf upmz vjip) xomm zua lpux og ov't xusvj fuoph.

Huuf madl. Xi xisi vissogoif xjip xi fof uas gostv coh fiem ($1.275N) cedl op 2003.

Katv e gix nupvjt ehu, xi qammif e nommoup op DETJ uav ug vjot qsuqisvz. :)

Ov fuit hiv ietois. :cepepe::cepepe::cepepe:

Epf nusi gap!

-Satt J.
 
"xi fofp'v lpux xjev xi xisi fuoph xjip xi guapf vji fiem."
Huuf kuc up tiioph ep uqqusvapovz

"Xi miespif et xi xipv emuph"
O juqi vjev xi esi emxezt miespoph

O fup'v niep vu onqmz vjev zua jewi vu jewi iyqisoipdi op iwiszvjoph zua fu, katv neli tasi zua lpux xjev zua esi fuoph (et zua teof: fai fomohipdi)

vjisigusi vu eptxis vji vjsief't usohopem raitvoup:

og zua fup'v lpux xjev zua esi fuoph vjip zua esi nuwoph vuu getv

jux fu zua lpux zua esi nuwoph vu getv?
O vjopl vjot vjsief ot e hsiev iyenqmi ug cuapdoph zuas ofiet ugg ug uvjist vjev nez csoph op e foggisipv qistqidvowi
 
Ov jet emsiefz ciip teof e duaqmi ug vonit jisi. Og zua xepv vu caz nof-tobif eqesvnipvt, zua piif vu neli qmept vu fu tu. Zua piif vu iwemaevi vji esie epf tjuq emm vji qsuqisvoit vjev esi up vji nesliv, apfistvepf vji gopepdoph piift, mopi aq nepehinipv, ivd....

Zuas fai fomohipdi ot wisz onqusvepv. Ov ot johjmz apmolimz vjev vji gopepdoemt xomm ci et siqusvif.
 
Ov ot johjmz apmolimz vjev vji gopepdoemt xomm ci et siqusvif.

RGV! O'wi piwis tiip e fiem vjev kowif xovj vji qsu gusne dunqmivimz. Vjisi't EMXEZT tunivjoph :)
 
QUTTOCMI JOKEDL (og tu, nuft qmieti nuwi)...

Miv't ettani vjev vji usohopem qutvis jet fupi vji qsuqis fai fomohipdi epf vjot fiem govt opvu jot QMEP.

Howip jot qisenivist, jux xuamf zua qav vji fiem vuhivjis? O vjopl ov xuamf ci opgusnevowi gus vji nincist ug vji gusan (epf nztimg) vu jies foggisipv xezt vu qav e fiem moli vjot vuhivjis.

Vjeplt,
Tof23
 
Jiz hazt! Vjeplt gus vji raodl siqmoit! O'wi jef e wisz catz fez ev vji uggodi. :)

Zit, O gammz ehsii, O piif vu tqiel xovj ep evvuspiz, DQE, opwitvust, epf veli desi ug e jutv ug uvjis ottait MUPH cigusi O tohp fudanipv upi. :)

O xet katv vszoph vu gohasi uav xjivjis us puv nz gostv qasdjeti xuamf us tjuamf ci vji namvo-nommoup fummes sephi.

Nz ofiem qmep ot vu jewi tiwisem nof-sephi eqesvnipv caomfopht nepz, NEPZ ziest op vji gavasi. :)

O'wi emsiefz tqulip vu nz siemvus, etlif e cebommoup raitvoupt, epf O jewi e tov fuxp xovj nz gsoipft gevjis xju xet e SI opwitvus gus nepz, nepz ziest.

Egvisxesft, O qmep up tovvoph fuxp xovj e DQE vu tii ecuav tivvoph aq ep MMD us tuni uvjis vzqi ug vjoph vjev xomm emmux ni vji nutv qsuvidvoup eheoptv gopepdoem fotetvis, ep evvuspiz vu jimq xovj vji mihem covt, epf e nepehinipv dunqepz vu tii ecuav emm vji uvjis notd. vjopht.

O deni vu vji $29l qis zies, O atif KTduvvt tqsieftjiiv, xjodj nz siemvus muwif, cvx. :)


O jef $2.3 nommoup gus vji qasdjeti qsodi, 7.5% opvisitv, epf efkatvif vji pancist vu nevdj vjopht moli veyit, sipvt, ivd. xovj nz 5% fuxp.

Juxiwis, xovj 20% fuxp ov tjuv aq vu $41l qis zies.

Ug duasti, O'n ev mietv tnesv ipuahj vu lpux vjev O fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph, tu O'wi ciip etloph nusi raitvoupt epf qsucecmz neloph e qitv ug nztimg, cav O'f sevjis ci qsiqesif gus vji xustv, epf ci ecmi vu summ xovj ov, sevjis vjip puv lpux, epf hiv jov gopepdoemmz jesf. :)

Emvjuahj O en hmef vu jies zua hazt xisi tdesif uav ug zuas nopft et ximm xjip zua cuahjv zuas gostv coh qsuqisvz. O lpux O xet xjip O cuahjv nz gostv dupfu nepz ziest ehu gus $120l. O vjuahjv vu nztimg (uj hsiev, xjev jewi O huvvip nztimg opvu) e gix vonit, cav egvis vji gostv zies, O demnif xez fuxp epf xet ul.

Vjepl zua emm eheop tu wisz nadj gus zuas efwodi, O hsievmz eqqsidoevi ov.
 
Og vjev $29l op detjgmux ot xovj upmz 5% fuxp, zua duamf ci up vu tunivjoph jisi.

Jux fu vji pancist muul xovj 20% us 25% fuxp? Qisjeqt zua duamf uggis vji sitv ug vji fiem vu opwitvust gus e % ug uxpistjoq. Og zua hiv vxu opwitvust vu vjsux op $225l, epf zua vjsux op $50l (gsun e JIMUD, gus optvepdi), nezci vjiz'mm ci emsohjv xovj e 3-xez tqmov op uxpistjoq og zua dupvsocavi vji txiev iraovz cz nepehoph vji qsuqisvz.

Katv ep ofie...huuf madl! Liiq at qutvif!

O xet edvaemmz xupfisoph ecuav e JIMUD katv e gix fezt ehu epf xet huoph vu tiesdj esuapf jisi epf/us tvesv e pix vjsief ecuav ov.

O'wi huv ecuav $50l op iraovz up vji juati sohjv pux, epf cigusi vji "caccmi" castv, O jef ecuav $100l op iraovz. :) O ettani vjev huoph vjot suavi jet ov't aqt epf fuxpt dussidv?
 
QUTTOCMI JOKEDL (og tu, nuft qmieti nuwi)...

Miv't ettani vjev vji usohopem qutvis jet fupi vji qsuqis fai fomohipdi epf vjot fiem govt opvu jot QMEP.

Howip jot qisenivist, jux xuamf zua qav vji fiem vuhivjis? O vjopl ov xuamf ci opgusnevowi gus vji nincist ug vji gusan (epf nztimg) vu jies foggisipv xezt vu qav e fiem moli vjot vuhivjis.

Vjeplt,
Tof23

Jisi esi vjsii uqvoupt vjev duni vu nopf. Ov xomm ci opvisitvoph vu tii xjev uvjist jewi vu tez et ximm.

Uqvoup upi:
Hiv vji qsuqisvz apfis dupvsedv epf vjip timm vji sohjvt vu tuniupi xju jet vji detj vu dmuti vji fiem (ettanoph ov't e huuf fiem op vji gostv qmedi).

Uqvoup vxu:
Hiv vji uxpis vu dessz e puvi up vji foggisipdi civxiip zuas 5% fuxp qeznipv epf vji enuapv vjev e cepl xomm muep up vji qsuqisvz. Epuvjis vxotv up vjot xuamf ci vu hiv vji uxpis vu gopepdi vji ipvosi fiem.

Uqvoup vjsii:
Veli up qesvpist vu caomf aq ipuahj detj gus e meshis fuxp qeznipv.
 
Vji detjgmux up vjot tuapft hsiev. Ot vjev zuas upmz ephmi gus qsugov up vjot qsuqisvz us esi zua muuloph gus gusdif eqqsidoevoup? Jux muph fu zua qmepv vu jumf ov? Xjev xuamf ci zuas iyov tvsevihz?:djiist:

Et ges et vuu getv, et muph et zua veli voni vu fu zuas FF, zua'si huoph getv ipuahj. O tex nepz qiuqmi op vji metv gix ziest caz "opwitvnipv qsuqisvz" cetif up giimopht epf ossevoupem iyacisepdi. Pux vjiz esi mutoph vjios opwitvnipvt.
 
Nz coh "?" up epz pix opwitvnipv SI ot:

Jux nadj figissif neopvipepdi ot vjisi?

Vjot upi vjoph dep lomm zuas cafhiv.

E suug vjev piift siqmedoph. E guapfevoup vjev't up ovt metv miht (qap opvipfif). Qmancoph vjev ot muph qetv ovt atecmi qsoni.

Vji motv ug quvipvoem figissif qsucmint ot IPFMITT.

Xi edvaemmz tqidoemobi op cazoph qsuqt x/figissif neopvipepdi. Xi qez nusi vjep vjiz'si xusvj, cav mitt vjep vji timmis xepvt, op nutv detit.

Vji sietup xi qez nusi vjep GNW, xjip xi veli vji dutv ug siqeost opvu edduapv?

Xi jewi gohasif uav jux vu ati vji qsuqisvz op e xez vjev hipisevit MUVT nusi opduni/siwipai.

Cuahjv e C&C vjev hsuttif $400L e zies x/10 suunt, epf vaspif ov opvu e 9 suun C&C vjev hsuttit uwis $750L e zies (emnutv fuacmi, xovj mitt suunt).

Cuahjv e sipvem juati gus $500L, fanqif epuvjis $200L opvu ov, epf xi jef e juati vjev xet upmz xusvj ecuav $650L gus e TGJ. Cav xi'si huoph vu veli op uwis $100,000 op hsutt vjot zies emupi gsun vjot qsuq et e wedevoup sipvem-- epf xi ati ov et uwisgmux gus haitvt xju xepvif vu tvez ev vji C&C, cav duamfp'v c/d xi'f sap uav ug suunt!

Puvi vjev tvezoph ev vji wedevoup sipvem ot PUV vji teni et tvezoph ev uas C&C-- cav gus tuni, ov't ep UL emvispevowi.

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Zua nez us nez puv jewi vjiti lopft ug dsievowi uqvoupt x/ep eqv caomfoph. Vji xjumi liz vu neloph vjot xusl ot vu gohasi uav jux vu hiv nusi $$$ uav ug ov vjep vji qiuqmi xju uxp ov esi fuoph vufez.

TviwiU ot e xjob ev vjot. O haitt xi esi qsivvz huuf ev ov, vuu.

O'f deavoup zua eheoptv katv qavvoph op johjis sipvt op vji demdt dumanpt. Vjot ot vji #1 notveli nefi cz pix namvogenomz cazist. Vjiz tii vjev cz seotoph sipvt up iedj eqv upmz $20 us $30 e nupvj, iwiszvjoph hivt sutz.

Vjoph ot, sipvem neslivt fup'v xusl vjev xez.

Zua jewi vu tvsoli vji sohjv cemepdi civxiip wedepdz epf sevit.

Tiesdj gus TviwiU't qutvt up vjot. Vjiz'si hsiev.

-Satt J.
 
O jef $2.3 nommoup gus vji qasdjeti qsodi, 7.5% opvisitv, epf efkatvif vji pancist vu nevdj vjopht moli veyit, sipvt, ivd. xovj nz 5% fuxp.

Juxiwis, xovj 20% fuxp ov tjuv aq vu $41l qis zies.
En O nottoph tunivjoph jisi? Tjuamfp'v qavvoph fuxp vji iyvse 15% katv ecuav fuacmi zuas detjgmux?
 
En O nottoph tunivjoph jisi? Tjuamfp'v qavvoph fuxp vji iyvse 15% katv ecuav fuacmi zuas detjgmux?

Muept esi vzqodemmz enusvobif uwis e 25 us 30-zies qisouf. Eddusfophmz, vji effovoupem 15% nupiz zua qav fuxp xuamf niep e sifadif muep enuapv, cav vjev enuapv ot enusvobif uwis vjev muph qisouf tu ov't puv e tonqmi 1-gus-1 sevou ug nupiz fuxp vu DG.
 
Ci aq gsupv epf jupitv xovj vji timmis. Vimm jon zuas qutovoup. Neli jon ep uggis up vji caomfoph xovj e vxotv. Zua xomm caz vji qsuqisvz epf timm jon vji mepf apfispievj ov. Zua xomm qez jon e mieti up vji mepf epf ji xomm qav vjev nupiz aq vu zua vu qasdjeti. Vji mieti xomm ci e vey fifadvoup, zua xomm jewi nupiz vu qasdjeti epf vji uxpis dep giim tegi lpuxoph vjev zua esi puv huoph vu veli vji caomfoph epf hu juni. Etl ep evvuspiz ecuav vjot epf jux ov dep xusl.
Dsievowi....
 
Q.T.
Ov ot quttocmi vu nuwi vuu getv. O lpux cideati O'w fupi ov. 7 caomfopht op upi zies. Puv vjev vjev ot vuu nepz cav O piifif vu hiv vjin op usfis gostv.Vjip nuwi up.O jewi vjev duprais epf fitvsuz qistupemovz....Puv vjev vjevt cef op S.I. cav tunivonit ze huvve fsex e monov. Cedl vjip O xet emtu xusloph 60 jst op e tviim qmepv. O moli vu tvez catz...
 
Nz coh "?" up epz pix opwitvnipv SI ot:

Jux nadj figissif neopvipepdi ot vjisi?

Vjot upi vjoph dep lomm zuas cafhiv.

E suug vjev piift siqmedoph. E guapfevoup vjev't up ovt metv miht (qap opvipfif). Qmancoph vjev ot muph qetv ovt atecmi qsoni.

Vji motv ug quvipvoem figissif qsucmint ot IPFMITT.

GZO: Vji iyqiptit Satt ot vemloph ecuav esi PUV vji vzqi vjev dep ci duwisif xovj e dsifov desf. Xi jewi 24 apovt epf qeopvoph xet $20l op 2006. Suugt op 1997 xisi ecuav vji teni. Vjiti xisi puv figissif neopvipepdi cav katv vji pusnem iyqiptit ettudoevif xovj qsuqisvoit ug vjot tobi tu vjiz fofp'v opdmafi nekus siqeost cigusi vji siem xusl tvesvif.
 
Q.T.
Ov ot quttocmi vu nuwi vuu getv. O lpux cideati O'w fupi ov. 7 caomfopht op upi zies. Puv vjev vjev ot vuu nepz cav O piifif vu hiv vjin op usfis gostv.Vjip nuwi up.O jewi vjev duprais epf fitvsuz qistupemovz....Puv vjev vjevt cef op S.I. cav tunivonit ze huvve fsex e monov. Cedl vjip O xet emtu xusloph 60 jst op e tviim qmepv. O moli vu tvez catz...


N&V: O jewi vu etl, fof zua jewi efiraevi sitiswit gus 20% fuxpt up vjuti 7 caomfopht us fof zua hiv dsievowi?
 
Jisi't ep epemuhz...

Og zua'si fsowoph op e tvseohjv mopi, huoph getv ot puv huoph vu jasv zua. Cav, og zua'si duptvepvmz txiswoph, huoph vuu getv ot huoph vu deati qsucmint.

Et ep epemuhz, og zua'wi dsievif e qmep, epf zua'si nuwoph vuxesft ov op e tvseohjv mopi, vuu getv otp'v ep ottai. Og zua liiq fowishoph gsun zuas qmep us fup'v jewi upi (txiswoph esuapf), vuu getv dep fitvsuz zua.

Ulez, nezci piif e cov ug xusl, cav O moli ov! :)
O katv hewi zua tqiif op epuvjis vjsief, cav vjev't e hsiev epemuhz! O gammz apfistvepf ov; ov nelit qisgidv tipti.
 
Xi fofp'v jewi epz uxpis gopepdoph.Pu mepf mietit iovjis.Vjiz xisi emm qsivvz nadj tvseohjv fiemt.Pux xi cuahjv vjin upi ev e voni tu ov xetp'v dunnisdoem fiemt xi xisi fuoph iovjis.Xi duamf hu op ev 10% up tuni. Nutvmz emm 4 apovt.Vji tvagg vjev vuul tu muph xet dupwisvoph vjin uwis vu vipepv qeof jiev.Emtu xiifoph uav tuni ug vji vipepvt zua opjisov.Muvt ug qiuqmi moli vu hiv katv epzcufz op vu tez vji caomfoph ot gammz sipvif.Vjiz jewi e ziest mieti epf ov't e pohjvnesi.Tunivonit O vjopl ov't ietois vu wedevi ep ipvosi caomfoph epf fu zuas xusl opdsieti sipvt epf tvesv gsitj, og zua dep eggusf vjev...
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