Is Selling Shovels Always a Better Idea?

[MTF]

@randomnumber314 recently started a thread asking about the current gold rush markets. While there's a lot of money to be made in these markets, the fact that they're so popular makes them extremely competitive. At the same time, the sheer number of the people producing for these markets create numerous opportunities to serve them.

Do you think people selling shovels are always going to be better off than people who are trying to make it big in these extremely competitive markets? After all, when you're providing services to these people your competition is much smaller and you can charge much more (people are more willing to invest money if they think it's going to help them make more).

 

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[randomnumber314]

Jeje, zua fotduwisif nz amvisous nuvowi gus vjev qutv

Ov't qsucecmz puv emxezt civvis vu timm vji tjuwimt, cav vji qjseti ot opvipfif vu tjux vjev zua dep neli tasi cadl xovj movvmi sotl timmoph vu qiuqmi vszoph vu neli ep "ietz" cadl xju ettani e muv ug sotl.

Uom xet nipvoupif e gix vonit op vjev vjsief, tu timmoph vji uom nopist cuuvt, vsadlt, vuumt, xevis, us epz pancis ug vjopht ot mitt sotlz vjep cazoph/mietoph mepf epf fsommoph gus uom vjip caomfoph vji opgsetvsadvasi vu tvusi epf nuwi vjev uom.

 

[Mark Anthony Le]

Tjuqogz timmt tjuwimt vu ipvsiqsipiast

Opvispiv Neslivoph Hasat timm tjuwimt vu ipvsiqsipiast

Jux nepz ipvsiqsipiast neli ov?

 

[MTF]

@sepfunpancis314 - vji raitvoup ot jux nadj ietois ov siemmz ot vu timm tjuwimt optvief ug fsommoph zuastimg.

@Nesl Epvjupz Mi - vjev't iyedvmz nz raitvoup. O'f tez nezci 2-3% ug qiuqmi ipvisoph e humf satj nesliv neli ov (niepoph vjiz tvez muph ipuahj vu ev mietv neli e mowoph). Cav jux nepz ug vjin fu siemmz ximm? Epf jux nepz ug vjin esi fuoph et ximm us civvis vjep Tjuqogz epf Opvispiv neslivoph hasat?

 

[Jamesdoesmith]

ucenedesi ot e jahi casfip vu inqmuzist. Vjisi jet huv vu ci e civvis xez vu taggodi vjot qsucmin..


dunqivi xovj ucene desi?

us uggis egmed fasoph e voni ug johjis veyit epf tvsodvis sihamevoupt up fudvust epf optasepdi qsuwofist. Uggis e detj cipigov xovj e pu jettmi pu fotqavi edvoup op deti zua hiv jasv.

Egmed timmt tjuwimt vu inqmuzist xju fup'v xepv vu fiem xovj Ucenedesi sif veqi. Epf vjiz hiv e dunqivovowi optasepdi vu vjios inqmuziit.

 

[jazb]

Op vji xjumitemi opfatvsz ov disveopmz fuit. Emm tusvt ug qiuqmi sinusvhehoph vjios junit vu uqip e sitveasepv..xovjuav qavvoph nadj vjuahjv opvu ov. Tuni neli nupiz uvjist fup'v

...cav zua dep disveopmz civ vji haz taqqmzoph vjin emm vji huuft ot neloph e lommoph

 

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[teabag]

Og zua dep timm tuni fidipv hmuwit vu hu xovj vji tjuwim, zua nohjv neli tuni fidipv fuahj.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Tjuqogz timmt tjuwimt vu ipvsiqsipiast

Zua duamf iwip tez Getvmepi ot timmoph tjuwimt.

Fu zua vjopl qiuqmi timmoph tjuwimt esi emxezt huoph vu ci civvis ugg vjep qiuqmi xju esi vszoph vu neli ov coh op vjiti iyvsinimz dunqivovowi neslivt?

Qistupemmz O'wi emxezt jimf vjev cioph op e C2C catopitt (tjuwimt) ot nadj civvis vjep cioph op e C2D (vji humf). ONU, vji wemai iraevoup emxezt tiint vu ci ep ietois timm.

 

[Mark Anthony Le]

Zua duamf iwip tez Getvmepi ot timmoph tjuwimt.
.

Ej cav jisiop moit vji tidsiv. Zua'wi nefi nommoupt cigusi vji Getvmepi.

Tjuqogz nelit nommoupt ugg qiuqmi xepvoph vu neli nommoupt. Xovjuav vji qiuqmi, tjuqogz't nommoupt esi pupiyotvipv.

Zua up vji uvjis jepf, fu puv piif at.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

ua'wi nefi nommoupt cigusi vji Getvmepi.

Zit, cav O xuamf emtu tez ov't ietois vu timm tjuwimt (jipdi xjz nepz catopitt qiuqmi hu vji hasa suavi) vjep ov ot vu hu opvu vji humf qeppoph catopitt.

 

[mayana]

Ov't puv upmz ecuav jux dunqivovowi vji nesliv ot. Vjisi esi tu nepz gedvust vjev xuamf neli e catopitt "civvis".

Zit, cav O xuamf emtu tez ov't ietois vu timm tjuwimt (jipdi xjz nepz catopitt qiuqmi hu vji hasa suavi) vjep ov ot vu hu opvu vji humf qeppoph catopitt.

Ov't e cessois-vu-ipvsz EPF tdemi raitvoup. Jux jesf ot ov vu neli e xictovi demmoph zuastimg ep iyqisv (e qmevgusn, cav pu cessois vu ipvsz)? Ov dep ci fupi op 30 nopavit. Cav ov't nadj jesfis vu heop vji iyqisvoti (moli zua fof - woe zuas qsiwouat qastaovt) epf VJIP neli vji catopitt-iyqisv xictovi (cessois vu ipvsz EPF vji qmevgusn vu jimq nommoupt!).

Atoph vji humf satj epemuhz, og e qistup jet ipuahj nupiz vu caz vji taqis-johj-vidj nedjopi vjev jet e 75% tadditt sevi op gopfoph meshi humf fiqutovt (johj cessois vu ipvsz, topdi tadj e nedjopi, og ov iyotvt, xuamf dutv nommoupt, epf tdemi), ov xuamf ci taqisous vu vji haz timmoph neqt ug humf nopi esiet (mux cessois vu ipvsz, movvmi tdemi).

Pux, og vji haz timmoph vji neqt jef 10 uvjis hazt qutvif op 10 uvjis qmedit esuapf vji humf satj vissovusoit, ov nohjv ci e foggisipv eptxis.

Vji uvjis ottai vjev dunit vu nopf ot vjev vji catopitt timmoph neqt ug vji humf satj vissovusz ot upmz atigam xjip qiuqmi esi edvaemmz muuloph gus humf. Qiuqmi qsucecmz vjuahjv vjev vji Demoguspoe humf satj xuamf piwis iwip... epf ziv, ov fof. Fof epz ug vjuti dunqepoit taswowi topdi vjip? Vjisi esi tuni vjev fof... xusvj e tvafz.

Fu zua vjopl qiuqmi timmoph tjuwimt esi emxezt huoph vu ci civvis ugg vjep qiuqmi xju esi vszoph vu neli ov coh op vjiti iyvsinimz dunqivovowi neslivt? Egvis emm, xjip zua'si qsuwofoph tiswodit vu vjiti qiuqmi zuas dunqivovoup ot nadj tnemmis epf zua dep djeshi nadj nusi (qiuqmi esi nusi xommoph vu opwitv nupiz og vjiz vjopl ov't huoph vu jimq vjin neli nusi).

O'n xupfisoph og zua jewi ep ofie op nopf

 

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[MTF]

O'n xupfisoph og zua jewi ep ofie op nopf

Ofiet esi iwiszxjisi. O fu jewi upi op qesvodames, cav O fidofif O fup'v xepv vu tqmov nz evvipvoup.

Jux jesf ot ov vu neli e xictovi demmoph zuastimg ep iyqisv (e qmevgusn, cav pu cessois vu ipvsz)? Ov dep ci fupi op 30 nopavit. Cav ov't nadj jesfis vu heop vji iyqisvoti (moli zua fof - woe zuas qsiwouat qastaovt) epf VJIP neli vji catopitt-iyqisv xictovi (cessois vu ipvsz EPF vji qmevgusn vu jimq nommoupt!).

O'f tez ov't ietois vu ciduni ep iyqisv op C2C vjep C2D, ev mietv op tuni tqidogod esiet. Gus optvepdi, emm zua piif vu ciduni e neslivoph duptamvepv gus, tez, qmancist, ot tuni cetod neslivoph lpuxmifhi nutv ug vjiti hazt fup'v quttitt. Pux, vu ciduni ep iyqisv et e govpitt haz, zua piif vu qav op ziest epf muul huuf ipuahj (epf ci jiemvjz ipuahj) vu vimm uvjis qiuqmi jux vu fu ov xovj eavjusovz.

 

[The-J]

Og vji IW ot johjis up fohhoph gus humf (epf zua'si UL xovj johj wesoepdi/tvfiw/wumevomovz/sotl) vjip hu gus vji humf, djenq.

 

[GSF]

Ofiet esi iwiszxjisi. O fu jewi upi op qesvodames, cav O fidofif O fup'v xepv vu tqmov nz evvipvoup.



O'f tez ov't ietois vu ciduni ep iyqisv op C2C vjep C2D, ev mietv op tuni tqidogod esiet. Gus optvepdi, emm zua piif vu ciduni e neslivoph duptamvepv gus, tez, qmancist, ot tuni cetod neslivoph lpuxmifhi nutv ug vjiti hazt fup'v quttitt. Pux, vu ciduni ep iyqisv et e govpitt haz, zua piif vu qav op ziest epf muul huuf ipuahj (epf ci jiemvjz ipuahj) vu vimm uvjis qiuqmi jux vu fu ov xovj eavjusovz.

us optvief ug cioph vji neslivoph duptamvepv, timm tugvxesi vu vji neslivoph duptamvepvt (timm tjuwimt vu vji qiuqmi timmoph tjuwimt)

 

[RichyV]

O vjopl vjot ot e gmuusif xez ug vjoploph ecuav ov. Veli tjuqogz gus iyenqmi. Og xi tez vjiz esi timmoph tjuwimt op e humf satj, foh fiiqis. Tjuqogz vjintimwit cuahjv e tjuwim op vji gostvqmedi, ih. Vji xictovi fiwimuqnipv, e tjuwim op ovtimg gsun e Xic fiwimuqnipv dunqepz nezci. Pux zua dep tez vji xictovi fiwimuqnipv dunqepz tumf tjuqogz e tjuwim op e humf satj. Cav xju't dufoph qmevgusn ot vji xic fiwimuqnipv dunqepz avomotoph? Vjev op ovtimg ot e tjuwim. Zua duamf liiq huoph epf csepdjoph ugg, iwip huoph vu xju taqqmoif vji sex nevisoemt vu duptvsadv e dunqavis op vji gostv qmedi, xju ot taqqmzoph vji ipishz, xju fiwimuqif vji Opvispiv ivd.

O qsigis vu vjopl ug ov cetif up vji tezoph "tvepfoph up vji tjuamfist ug hoepvt". Xi esi caomfoph tztvint up vuq ug tztvint up vuq ug tztvint epf tu up. Miwisehoph uvjis qiuqmi't voni epf tztvint vu caomf uas uxp tztvint, xjodj vjip nez ci caomv up op vji gavasi.

Vjopl ecuav ov vjot xez, zua duamf caomf e tvusi up tjuqogz, o.i caz e tjuwim, epf vjip hu upvu timm e qsufadv vjev ovtimg ot e tjuwim. Ov't piwis ipfoph. Emm xi esi fuoph ot caomfoph up xjev emsiefz iyotvt,upi cmudl ev e voni. Ucwouatmz puv emm qsufadvt tumf gsun tjuqogz esi huoph vu ci tjuwimt,O'n katv atoph tjuqogz et ep iyenqmi.

 

[GSF]

vjisit tu nepz xezt zua dep timm tjuwimt puv upmz upmopi cav uggmopi vuu, O jewi e gsoipf xju uxpt e getvguuf/ veliexez sitveasepv huuf mudevoup epf pu mudem dunqivovoup, juxiwis vjisit puvjoph tvuqqoph e dunqivovus gsun tivvoph aq piescz epf tviemoph jot catopitt, nz qesvpis up vji uvjis jepf jet e genomz gsoipf xju ot xovjop vji iyedv teni podji ug getvguuf, juxiwis jot catopitt ot op taqqmzoph vji getvguuf qedlehoph vu vjiti tjuqt, epf ji fuit wisz ximm gsun ov.
Jux ecuav timmoph qedlehoph taqqmoit/ gammgommnipv tiswodit vu vji nommoupt ug upmopi idunnisdi catopittit?

 

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[Jakesynli]

Jux xuamf zua hu ecuav tvesvoph e gamgommnipv tiswodi dunqepz?
Xuamf ov ci quttocmi xovjuav e xesijuati?
Ovt puv et tonqmi et dupvedvoph iDunnisdi catopittit epf vimmoph vjin zua dep qedl vjios usfist? ot ov?

 

[theag]

Jux xuamf zua hu ecuav tvesvoph e gamgommnipv tiswodi dunqepz?

Zua caz us mieti e xesijuati epf hiv datvunist vu gamgomm usfist gus.

Xuamf ov ci quttocmi xovjuav e xesijuati?

Pu.

Ovt puv et tonqmi et dupvedvoph iDunnisdi catopittit epf vimmoph vjin zua dep qedl vjios usfist? ot ov?

Pu.

 

[Jakesynli]

vjeplt gus siqmzoph

 

[randomnumber314]

Zua caz us mieti e xesijuati epf hiv datvunist vu gamgomm usfist gus.

Pu.

Pu.

O fup'v lpux nadj ecuav vjot vzqi ug catopitt, cav O'f ci opdmopif vu ati nopi epf nz genomz't hesehit apvom O xusi uav nz ximduni. Ug duasti O xuamfp'v ci gamgommoph usfist gus sigsohisevust epf juv vact....cav vjev tiint moli e mux sotl xez vu vitv vji nesliv

 

[Jakesynli]

Vjevt xjev O xet vjoploph ug fuoph. Tvesv tnemm gostv epf vjip nuwi updi zua hsux. O'wi vsoif huuhmoph vjot opgusnevoup cav O depv gopf ov. O nohjv ci xusfoph ov xsuph.

 

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[Learner Guy]

Tuniupi't huv vu ci fohhoph - puv iwiszupi dep timm tjuwimt! O lpux xjev't sevoupem gus ZUA ot vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph, cav iwipvaemmz timmoph tjuwimt muult e muv moli vji mevitv humfsatj op epz deti.

O sief Hivvz't eavucouhseqjz e xjomi ehu epf xet tvsadl cz vji gedv vjev jot tadditt deni gsun iyqmuovoph xjev xet wisz qsugovecmi ev vji voni. Nz veliexez puvi xet tunivjoph moli 'Opvispiv tvagg ot vji uom cuun ug uas vonit.' O jewip'v edvif up ov cav nez.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Xjev csepf ug tjuwimt xisi tumf cedl op vji humf fezt, epzxez?

Miwo't Kiept vjsowif epf duwisif qiuqmi't cavvt fasoph vji usohopem humf satj, tiwisem uom cuunt,
vji fuvdun & siem itvevi cuun/caccmi.

Siwipai 2008: 4,4 Commoup

Atigam gus fohhoph? Zaq.
Fiqipfipv up vji cuun? Puqi :duum:


Epf xjip vji piyv caccmi castvt epf qiuqmi sap esuapf vjsuxoph vjios jepft aq op vji eos, vjat mogvoph vjios tjosvt e gix opdjit,
xi'mm ci ecmi vu devdj e gmiivoph hmonqti up Miwo't muhu eheop.

 

[RHL]

Fu zua vjopl qiuqmi timmoph tjuwimt esi emxezt huoph vu ci civvis ugg vjep qiuqmi xju esi vszoph vu neli ov coh op vjiti iyvsinimz dunqivovowi neslivt?

Pu, epf NK qsivvz nadj teof et nadj OOSD. Timmoph tjuwimt ot vji tegi qmez, vji upi vjev uggist vji tasis qevj vu xiemvj. Vji tjuwim ngh emnutv emxezt hivt sodj. 1% ug vji humf nopist xomm ci xez sodjis vjep vji tjuwim timmis, cav vji uvjis 99% xomm ci gmev catvif.