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The last 10 years have shown that that the world has become much more aware of what's real due to the evolution of the internet. That was the cause of the Arab Spring. That happened as a direct result of social media, not the traditional organized protests. That movement didn't fully take because others wanted the power (understandably) and there was no one there to prevent that.

Then we had Donald Trump become president of the US. At that point people really wanted real change and Trump was someone who they knew through television and could literally see. They thought he could make the changes even though he no experience in politics. That is amazing and shows that anything is possible. Like him or not he knew, and knows, how to get value and this is something that can be learned by anyone who wants to learn.

Then we had the pandemic which has shown light on all human activities. We saw how health is the most import asset. We saw that education, including higher education, is not what everyone thought and is long overdue for a major fundamental change. We saw how professional and trusted public safety is the answer. We saw that we really need to take of the environment. There are so many valuable lesson that have come from the pandemic and will continue to come.

My theory is that the world is right at the edge of fundamental change in all aspects. And it's all for the better, as noted above, people can see what's real. For the better means that everyone can have the right to peace, prosperity, health and happiness without violating the rights of anyone else.

In fact happiness was the keyword and the goal in both the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. It's my opinion those founding father's "got it" (and they got it from the great philosophers in England) even though they themselves were not going to abide by some of the lofty language (all men created equal). That was for the future.

The future is now. I believe there could be a world-wide revolution that will lead to everyone having the right to pursue happiness without interference from no one. What do you think? Do you think my theory is correct?
 
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I think you are both too optimistic and naive about how the world works. The so called "Arab spring" was fomented and organized by assets from our very own alphabet soup agencies. Far from being organic movements, these were orchestrated at the whim of Uncle Sam. If any such activity were attempted here at home, you can rest assured the participants would be Waco'd and a narrative spun in the complicit media that they were homegrown terrorists.

As far as what's coming .... If anything, the last year has shown us that the population will accept tyranny without so much as a sideways questioning glance. In virtually every country on Earth, liberty was curtailed. In no country was liberty expanded. Since tyranny has gone unchecked, you can expect more of it. The primary lesson of the pandemic is that people crave the boot at their throat, and will shout down anybody that even suggests a more rational course of action.

I'm hoping for an awakening, but preparing for (and honestly expecting) a new dark age.
 

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I think you are both too optimistic and naive about how the world works. The so called "Arab spring" was fomented and organized by assets from our very own alphabet soup agencies. Far from being organic movements, these were orchestrated at the whim of Uncle Sam. If any such activity were attempted here at home, you can rest assured the participants would be Waco'd and a narrative spun in the complicit media that they were homegrown terrorists.

As far as what's coming .... If anything, the last year has shown us that the population will accept tyranny without so much as a sideways questioning glance. In virtually every country on Earth, liberty was curtailed. In no country was liberty expanded. Since tyranny has gone unchecked, you can expect more of it. The primary lesson of the pandemic is that people crave the boot at their throat, and will shout down anybody that even suggests a more rational course of action.

I'm hoping for an awakening, but preparing for (and honestly expecting) a new dark age.
Sad but accurate.
 

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We're on the cusp of something alright, but it ain't pretty!

Unfortunately it's going to get much worse before it gets better. And ironically I don't think the internet is going to feature much. Which is good because if anything, we live in a post-truth era.

I was going to say 'interesting times' but that's bullshit. I'd much rather times be a lot less interesting.
 
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The elites will take what they can, while they can. And they will leave the non-elites to rot in a hyper-inflated dystopia. It is currently happening before your eyes. That is the "revolution" that's happening - the systematized extinction of the middle class. They know that we know now. That is the key difference. They can't do anything to hide it anymore, so they will amplify it until it doesn't matter if they hide it or not.
 

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The last 10 years have shown that that the world has become much more aware of what's real due to the evolution of the internet. That was the cause of the Arab Spring. That happened as a direct result of social media, not the traditional organized protests. That movement didn't fully take because others wanted the power (understandably) and there was no one there to prevent that.
What do you mean by people seeing what is real? I am genuinely asking to see what you mean.

Also, how do you see such a revolution happening? What would it solve exactly, what would be the trigger? There are already small world-wide revolutions happening, like the vegan one. I think its in our DNA to never be happy with the things are, so there will always be revolutions.
 
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The last 10 years have shown that that the world has become much more aware of what's real due to the evolution of the internet. That was the cause of the Arab Spring. That happened as a direct result of social media, not the traditional organized protests. That movement didn't fully take because others wanted the power (understandably) and there was no one there to prevent that.

Then we had Donald Trump become president of the US. At that point people really wanted real change and Trump was someone who they knew through television and could literally see. They thought he could make the changes even though he no experience in politics. That is amazing and shows that anything is possible. Like him or not he knew, and knows, how to get value and this is something that can be learned by anyone who wants to learn.

Then we had the pandemic which has shown light on all human activities. We saw how health is the most import asset. We saw that education, including higher education, is not what everyone thought and is long overdue for a major fundamental change. We saw how professional and trusted public safety is the answer. We saw that we really need to take of the environment. There are so many valuable lesson that have come from the pandemic and will continue to come.

My theory is that the world is right at the edge of fundamental change in all aspects. And it's all for the better, as noted above, people can see what's real. For the better means that everyone can have the right to peace, prosperity, health and happiness without violating the rights of anyone else.

In fact happiness was the keyword and the goal in both the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. It's my opinion those founding father's "got it" (and they got it from the great philosophers in England) even though they themselves were not going to abide by some of the lofty language (all men created equal). That was for the future.

The future is now. I believe there could be a world-wide revolution that will lead to everyone having the right to pursue happiness without interference from no one. What do you think? Do you think my theory is correct?
Perhaps this is what evolution is about. Learning about power, control, and domination. How we use that personal power over others in society, and whether it is quite toxic and what we will tolerate. This is more about social groups, social norms, what each society says is acceptable versus unacceptable. What everyone has in them is the Manager, the Supervisor, and the Boss.

When you have any Mob Squad in Protests, Riots, there is a social group with a "Brand", that "Believes" in something. Which is probably will have many different cults in political, religious, spiritual, come out all displaying there form of those traits of the Organized establishment, with a Manager, Supervisor, and Boss.

We see this in everything we do on the planet. This is just on the Macro scale world wide versus the Micro scale of family, local community, and social groups with in those communities.

Obviously, they know how to pull in those individuals in the local community for higher causes and go world wide. This is no different then Entrepreneurship, Business, Companies, Organizations.

In the Netherlands, I had to kind of chuckle in 2020 because there was some farmers that were going to network together to fight off some protests. So, you would never think on the average day, that a bunch of farmer's would gather together to take care of those rebels.

In the U.S. we just call in the National Guard. And watching how different cultures handle the situation and control the populations is quite unique in itself. How violent or non-violent are they in their approach and how effective is their methods, techniques, and tools. What is their strategy.

Then you had the "Isolation", and how they perceived that experience. Did they used it effectively. I mean they had 12 months to learn something different. Many people might have just wasted that time do nothing and not being productive, while others might have discovered and focused on new opportunities.

In World War II you have many people who rose in victory as Entrepreneurs, but others were caught up in the emotional pain, mental pain, spiritual pain, physical pain, and financial pain.

This is all about "Survival". You either be depressed, anxious, and get lost in the "Virus" of conspiracy theories, politics, riots, or protests, or you stay focused on your goals.

The Art of War is a good book. While everyone is focused on these areas of life fighting for what they perceive to be happening in the world around them, it's really an illusion in some sense.

You can either participate in the positive or negative side of the matter.

You can have the "War" mentality or you can have a more "Zen" mentality of improving the world for the better. You will see a balance of both destruction, chaos, the collapse of the old world, old lifestyle, educational system, banking systems, and really no different then that time back in World War II which is why you keep seeing the word "Reset".

The objective is to look at the last 89 years and see what worked in society and what did not work in society. What you can do differently. If you do the same thing, you get the same result and outcome.

You can never get everyone on the planet in the same direction, and joining a cult of some sort may sound like a good idea at the time, but last year was quite fascinating watching the agenda, motivations, and intentions of the social groups.

Most people need that Chaos and Confusion to understand life is not the way they thought it was at face value.

People will be in emotional and mental pain and won't like seeing the truth and it's all about "Responsibility". Then this word "Responsibility" is subjective to interpretation since many people might have a different definition of what this means in their experience.

This is all about making smart choices. The consequences of their choices lands them in prison, wounded, in poverty, divorced, separated, and shows the true colors of friends, family, co-workers, and neighbors.

What will you do to survive? What are your ethics, values, morals, and do you go burn down someone else's house, business, or do you be smart and help build the community stronger?

This is about communities in a sense learning what my grandparents learned in WWII. They worked together in communities with their neighbors, friends, family, and had to learn to relate and communicate effectively. Chaos and confusion always brings order and structure.

I personally don't watch the news, the politics, and the events, simply because it is a lot of negative stuff, instills fear, and seen enough of how the masses get hooked into the Viral content that basically is teaching them to take their personal power back with their thoughts, emotions, and feelings.

Tons of stuff people are learning here out of the events. It's just where they're focused and what they want to create and co-create in the area where they're standing in the world.

What is worth fighting for? What is not worth fight for? Do you need to fight at all and just stay focused on the goal whatever that may be.
 

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The call right now is to come back to community living. To nurturing the land, securing your food supply by growing and sharing food, growing families and growing spiritually.

I think it's clear society is collapsing pretty rapidly and there's a lot of it that we should be thankful to say goodbye to.

We're living through a crazy time.
 

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What do you mean by people seeing what is real? I am genuinely asking to see what you mean.

Also, how do you see such a revolution happening? What would it solve exactly, what would be the trigger? There are already small world-wide revolutions happening, like the vegan one. I think its in our DNA to never be happy with the things are, so there will always be revolutions.
The vegan movement certainly holds a lot of promise if it would support the transition to local farmers instead of monocrop culture. Unfortunately, it appears to be a co-opted movement that wants to see a global supply chain of fake meat and soy production, which ultimately destroys the environment.

Meat eaters and vegans need to combine efforts to support local farmers.

I say this as an ex-vegan.
 

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The call right now is to come back to community living. To nurturing the land, securing your food supply by growing and sharing food, growing families and growing spiritually.

I think it's clear society is collapsing pretty rapidly and there's a lot of it that we should be thankful to say goodbye to.

We're living through a crazy time.

It's interesting you mention a call to community living. I saw the following cycle of societal stages that starts with community living proposed on another forum:

Communism (small tight knit closely related societies) --> capitalism (bigger, looser, freedom focused societies) --> socialism (even bigger societies, trying to grapple with calcified aristocracy and reduced social mobility caused by moats set up by 'successful capitalists') --> fascism (the most tightly regimented societies, using centrally planned tight social control to maintain the social order) --> back to small tight knit "on our own" communist communes again after society breaks down --> back to capitalism as society rebuilds --> and so on and so forth in an endless cycle.

I really hope it's wrong though. But I have noticed its elements in stronger play recently in the US (ex. income inequality, socialist rhetoric).

Hopefully the US is not the next Venezuela.
 

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I'm hoping for an awakening, but preparing for (and honestly expecting) a new dark age.

Yup, because the snake has three heads, corporate oligarchs, mediaand government -- sadly most people still trust whatever news is "curated" to Twitter, Facebook, and the six-o'clock news. The pandemic proved that the average citizen is just an order-taking zombie incapable of any critical thought.

Any dissension to the new world order will be met with more loss of freedom and more cancellations enforced by the three headed snake.
 

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Government is certainly savvy to the whole “they’re a private business!!” Thing too.

It’s not complicated to simply offload all the unconstitutional actions of government to a corporate oligarchy.

State-run media companies are a staple of dictatorships.
 

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I think you are both too optimistic and naive about how the world works. The so called "Arab spring" was fomented and organized by assets from our very own alphabet soup agencies. Far from being organic movements, these were orchestrated at the whim of Uncle Sam. If any such activity were attempted here at home, you can rest assured the participants would be Waco'd and a narrative spun in the complicit media that they were homegrown terrorists.

As far as what's coming .... If anything, the last year has shown us that the population will accept tyranny without so much as a sideways questioning glance. In virtually every country on Earth, liberty was curtailed. In no country was liberty expanded. Since tyranny has gone unchecked, you can expect more of it. The primary lesson of the pandemic is that people crave the boot at their throat, and will shout down anybody that even suggests a more rational course of action.

I'm hoping for an awakening, but preparing for (and honestly expecting) a new dark age.
The "tyranny" that was implemented was to ensure happiness. It wasn't done for no reason. There was, and still is, a serious virus . I'm not saying everything is bad in the world. What I'm saying is that everything is on the edge of becoming what it should. But thank you for your opinion. I think everyone's opinion is important. You never know.
I think you are both too optimistic and naive about how the world works. The so called "Arab spring" was fomented and organized by assets from our very own alphabet soup agencies. Far from being organic movements, these were orchestrated at the whim of Uncle Sam. If any such activity were attempted here at home, you can rest assured the participants would be Waco'd and a narrative spun in the complicit media that they were homegrown terrorists.

As far as what's coming .... If anything, the last year has shown us that the population will accept tyranny without so much as a sideways questioning glance. In virtually every country on Earth, liberty was curtailed. In no country was liberty expanded. Since tyranny has gone unchecked, you can expect more of it. The primary lesson of the pandemic is that people crave the boot at their throat, and will shout down anybody that even suggests a more rational course of action.

I'm hoping for an awakening, but preparing for (and honestly expecting) a new dark age.

What do you mean by people seeing what is real? I am genuinely asking to see what you mean.

Also, how do you see such a revolution happening? What would it solve exactly, what would be the trigger? There are already small world-wide revolutions happening, like the vegan one. I think its in our DNA to never be happy with the things are, so there will always be revolutions.
"What do you mean by people seeing what is real? I am genuinely asking to see what you mean."

By real I mean what something actually is or actually happened. For example, prior to the internet and modern technology someone could be abused by the police and it was not generally possible not only to prove it was abuse, it was not generally possible to have it widely known and immediately known all over the world.

"Also, how do you see such a revolution happening? What would it solve exactly, what would be the trigger?"

Those are great questions. The trigger is where there is abuse that becomes known. I don't know what that exact situation could be but eventually as we saw abuses become immediately known all over the world. Abuses are happening all the time, but it's getting better overall.

A revolution will allow everyone everywhere the right to pursue happiness. In 1967, not so long ago, it was illegal in some states in the US for Afro-Americans to marry whites! Talk about denying happiness! A revolution then brought happiness where it was not. Today people of all "kinds" do fare better in many ways but we are still being deprived of our right to happiness in many ways, many of which you don't even know! Compulsory education is one of the many ways.
 

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear viewed it as the classic Hegelian Dialect.

Why use the term "Hegelian Dialect" which most people have no idea what that is.

I personally know people who were infected with C0VlD-19. I know other people whose relatives had C0VlD-19. Some did not make it. Granted they were older, over 80, but still the virus is real and while not all the restrictions were based on science, like the travel restrictions (look up what epidemiologists say), some were vital in keeping the health care system from being overwhelmed.
 

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Why use the term "Hegelian Dialect" which most people have no idea what that is.

I personally know people who were infected with C0VlD-19. I know other people whose relatives had C0VlD-19. Some did not make it. Granted they were older, over 80, but still the virus is real and while not all the restrictions were based on science, like the travel restrictions (look up what epidemiologists say), some were vital in keeping the health care system from being overwhelmed.
How am I to know who knows what words?

Sure, ok. I'm not here to argue with you about the legitimacy of the governmental C0VlD narrative. You said the tyranny was necessary so people could be happy. I literally can't argue with you on that because we're so divergent in our beliefs.
 

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The last 10 years have shown that that the world has become much more aware of what's real due to the evolution of the internet. That was the cause of the Arab Spring. That happened as a direct result of social media, not the traditional organized protests. That movement didn't fully take because others wanted the power (understandably) and there was no one there to prevent that.

Then we had Donald Trump become president of the US. At that point people really wanted real change and Trump was someone who they knew through television and could literally see. They thought he could make the changes even though he no experience in politics. That is amazing and shows that anything is possible. Like him or not he knew, and knows, how to get value and this is something that can be learned by anyone who wants to learn.

Then we had the pandemic which has shown light on all human activities. We saw how health is the most import asset. We saw that education, including higher education, is not what everyone thought and is long overdue for a major fundamental change. We saw how professional and trusted public safety is the answer. We saw that we really need to take of the environment. There are so many valuable lesson that have come from the pandemic and will continue to come.

My theory is that the world is right at the edge of fundamental change in all aspects. And it's all for the better, as noted above, people can see what's real. For the better means that everyone can have the right to peace, prosperity, health and happiness without violating the rights of anyone else.

In fact happiness was the keyword and the goal in both the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. It's my opinion those founding father's "got it" (and they got it from the great philosophers in England) even though they themselves were not going to abide by some of the lofty language (all men created equal). That was for the future.

The future is now. I believe there could be a world-wide revolution that will lead to everyone having the right to pursue happiness without interference from no one. What do you think? Do you think my theory is correct?
I think most voters want financial security and will favor whoever that could promise/deliver 9-5 jobs with a decent paychecks, two weeks paid holiday and a good medical insurance, to get out of the day job at Walmart, night job at Macdonald while waiting for food stamp kind of current situation.
 

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