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    That's it. I'm done. I can't take sitting in class any longer. It's trash. Classes are trash. The system is trash. All for some useless trash degree.

    "Yeah but you NEED a degree to be successful in life" my friends tell me...

    1. You need it in order to get hired by someone ( But do I need one to hire someone?)
    2. You need it for the connections you'll make ( So college is the only way to do this? Hmmm.)
    3. It proves that you are dedicated and can see something all the way to the end ( HA! And creating and managing a business isn't a sign of dedication?)
    4. You'll learn a lot and mature there ( Yes. Study what you're told during the week and escape into the drunk, partying nights of the weekend. For suuure.)
    5. It's a good safety net ( Which you'll find yourself laying on, instead of working above)
    6. People will respect you more and take you more seriously ( If a degree is how you assess somebodies intelligence or capability? I don't care for the respect of those people.)
    I used to argue back. I stopped. Of course if you want to be a doctor, or engineer, or scientist, by all means, go to college. But if you want to become truly wealthy, stop wasting your time.

    Im 19. Wrapping up my second year of college. I sit around the dinner table with my family. I spin the noodles of spaghetti around my fork. It's apparent. My mother has been working for 15 years at a job she hates. My father has a masters degree in Electrical Engineering. He worked for NASA. For JPL. Made military drones. Yet has been laid-off several times and unemployed for months at a time. Thankfully he works now. But I noticed something. Is it like this with everyone? They are not happy. The life is sucked out of them. No passion. No dreams. No goals. Just the same thing. Every. Single. Day.

    It just blows my mind guys. We have one life. One huge opportunity. Why? Why the FUCK do we settle?

    Why do we settle for anything less than our dream home?



    Why do we settle for anything less than a classic Lamborghini Countach, Audi R8, and any other of our dream cars?

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    Why do we not nourish our bodies, and chisel our physiques into those of Greek Gods?

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    Mentally, spiritually, physically, we have so much room to grow. And yet so many choose to waste their lives to fit in and be average.

    I want to see the northern lights. Get a skydiving license. Pass out drunk somewhere in Thailand. Run parkour across the rooftops of Brazil. Compete in MMA tournaments. Learn 3 languages. I want to help people. Inspire people.


    You know when you reach the point where you simply can't do something a single second longer? Well, I reached that point with college. I've missed every class for the last two weeks. I stayed at home and read books on marketing instead. And guess what? I've learned more in that time than I have in my last two years of college. I'm done wasting my time.

    Progress
    Here's what I am doing:

    • Working 30 hours a week as an MMA instructor
    • Expanding my eBay business (started this 2-3 months ago)
    • Reading and studying absolutely everything I can on copywriting ( Bought 9 books, read 3 so far)
    • Smashing the gym 6 days a week
    Here's my short term plan:
    • Go full time at my job and expand our MMA studio
    • Grow my eBay business into at least 3k a month of net profits
    • Become proficient in copy and freelance my writing
    • Move out of my parents' house (if they don't kick me out first for dropping college)
    I don't care if I have to sleep on friend's couches or in my car. 10 years from now, who knows what'll happen? But I sure as hell won't be at the bar on a Friday night, bitching about my boss with my coworkers.

    Tomorrow I have my first class of this week. Let the dropping begin.


     
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    If I can offer one piece of advice--big jolts of motivation (like the kick you seem to be on atm, right now this very second) won't help. The pictures of cars and dream homes and all of that is nice, but the daily grind is where all of that comes from.

    Learning to love the grind is where it's at. Not trying to be a dick, this all just sounds pretty familiar to my mindset a few years ago. It got me nowhere.
     
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    I hope you set the world on fire, teach us all how it's done.

    You still have a lot yet to learn and some of it is going to be painful.

    I agree, you got to learn to love the grind. Keep us posted on your milestones.

    Good luck.
     
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    That's the house the minecraft creator purchased from under the noses of jayz and Beyoncé. Tremendous.

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    Completely agreed. The flashy cars and homes are the event. The grind and the process is what makes them. I understand this. As it is, I am loving it. But maybe this isn't even close to how hard the grind will become...

    As I see it, I'm like a baby deer. Wobbly legged and barely able to stay standing. Yet full of the dreams of prancing around in green pastures. I'm not going to delude myself. It'll suck at some points. It's easy to say "I'm ready for anything that's coming." Until I have to face it. So I won't waste my breath talking about it. I'll let my actions do that.
     
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    Thank you. I can't say I'm looking forward to the pain, but I can say that I'm looking forward to moving in a direction that directly relates to my goals. As opposed to spending hours differentiating between types of instrument tones for a Gen Ed music class.
     
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    Progress Update 1: Drop That Bitch On Her Head Like Bang
    I dropped all my classes today.

    This was after I went into my 8:30 AM accounting class this morning. Sat through the lecture. The topic was F.O.B. (Free on Board) for shipping products. Interesting... I learned about this when starting up my eBay business.

    I feel lightened, and honestly more true to myself. It's a weight off my shoulders. I'm shedding societies' rules. I feel like it's so important to get rid of the BS in our lives that gets in the way of what we want. I sure as hell won't use Calculus 2, or Music Appreciation. So why waste time? More than time, why be inauthentic to myself? I am making it a goal to avoid wasting time on things that do not provide direct benefit.

    Now heres what I've done:

    MMA Job:

    • Spoke with my boss and he agreed to keep my 30 hour weekly schedule, as opposed to my previous 11.5 hour schedule. (I have been covering for a co-worker on vacation)
    • I am re-designing the website for our studio and will be in charge of marketing. We are switching locations within the next couple months, so lots of work to do.
    eBay:
    • Currently have 5 products up on eBay. These are all my sample orders. The ones that sell best will be re-ordered in a larger quantity.
    • Sold 3 units of one product in the last 10 days. The rest are not selling so far.
    Copywriting:
    • Reading "The Robert Collier Letter Book"
    • Copying at least 2 letters that Halbert recommended per week
    Lets go!
     
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    You said you lived at home? How are the parents reacting?
     
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    Oh man, here we go...

    -2-3 months on an Ebay business is not nearly enough time. What kind of margins are you making?
    -MMA job- Do your goals involve teaching MMA? If not then why stay there? 30hrs a week? Are they paying you some ridiculous amount of money for what you do? +$20.00-$30.00 an hour? VERY flexible hours? If not then you need to be looking to do something else for the time being. If your not going to school then you need to be working as many hours as you can to explode the Ebay business.
    -I have a few requirements when I have to work a day job. (The harder I work the more I get paid, or the harder I work the earlier I get to leave with the same pay) If your getting paid a set rate per hour then you need to find somewhere else for a day job.
    -What are you doing with your spare time? Because at 30hrs a week and an Ebay business that is not netting over 3k a month you should have plenty of "spare time".


    I could go on but I'll wait a little.
     
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    lol

    MJ can you make a counter on the right of the website that counts all the people that said they are dropping out collage?
     
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    I disagree. Kid needs cash to grow the business, and create a safety net if his parents kick him out. Working 30 hours a week + 70 hours on his business is where it's at. He's doing it right for now. Just has to keep grinding.
     
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    And I'm the badass lion that is going to eat your wobbly standing baby deer ass alive.

    Just kidding. I wish you luck and I am interested in hearing your progress.
     
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    What Im saying is, is the job actually worth it or is the job a "glory" job? Is he working 30 hours a week for 8.50 an hour but gets to say I'm a badass MMA trainer? If so there are plenty of other less glorious jobs that you can walk in making more (deliver pizza, server, bartender other tipped wages) back to the "the harder you work the more you make or the harder you work the sooner you get off for the same pay) example of the 2nd sooner off for same pay: pest control, pool service, delivery driver, most places like this have a route and are salary pay and you usually get to go home when your done to work on your own thing. If you have to work, at least make it worth while...
     
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    I agree with you here. $8.50 to be an MMA trainer might not be worth it.

    But he also did say he wanted to fight MMA, maybe this is why he is holding on to this job.

    I'd love to know if he actually plans to make money fighting MMA or what the pay on that is.

    I see OP is from Cali, could be making $20-$30/hr plus. He said "his studio".

    If it's his studio he could be doing $50-$120/hr + interested to hear more. There are a lot of undefined variables


    As for college. If that's how you react while sitting in class. Then it's not for you plain and simple, you made the right move there. @Ben S.
     
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    You need to get on Amazon yesterday. My sales went up (both in volume and in price sold) after switching. Ebay is a nice supplement, but it's really only a superior selling platform for more "individual" items. If it's mass produced, has a bar code, etc. then Amazon rocks.

    I second MJ's question and would like to know how the parents reacted.
     
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    There was no explosive "Get out of this house!" reaction. Luckily my parents are very understanding. However my mother insists that I at least get an A.A. degree from my Community college. I looked up the requirements and found that I would have to complete 5 more classes (16 more units) and to get an Associate in Science Business Administration Degree.

    I don't think it's worth it. 16 units is a LOT of time. But at the same time if I chose not to do it, I will very likely have to leave my house. I do have plenty of time to decide. Next semesters classes don't begin until mid August. Until then, I'll hustle my ass off.
     
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    This^ Amazon in my opinion is a much better platform than ebay. Day in day out I see more people flipping over to amazon because they are making waves. Amazon wants drones, amazon wants huge distribution centers to cut down shipping times etc. When has ebay made the news lately? Not anytime recent.
    And it's pretty much the same way of doing business, you're instantly doubling your audience with minimal effort.

    Ebay, Amazon, depending on your product fire it up on the other social feeds, pinetrest etc.

    +1 on wondering how the parents reacted. I would have tried to finish a 2-3 year program OR gone part time and balanced a steady job, school (mainly for contacts) and working on personal improvement (business and lifestyle). Hopefully the MMA job is paying you half decent, if not look for another job. I'm ALL for supporting yourself while doing a start up, in my opinion there is no other way unless you have a nice savings account to use as capital. BUT, there are jobs that could be paying you 2x the money for similar effort.
     
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    Will that A.A degree help you at all? How much $ to take the courses.

    Can you take them part time and finish it over an extended period of time? OR Kick ass until August and then jump back into school F/T or P/T.... School is much more livable when you have steady income instead of steady expenses.
     
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    You have a flawed perception of trainers. Normal workout trainers will make $20 to $100 an hour with the right setup.

    MMA trainers can make a lot more.

    For example, let's say he opens up his own studio, and teaches 10 people at a time, $20 each. That's $200 an hour. There's tremendous potential here for a significant income that he can then invest.
     
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    Progress Update 2: Solid Plans
    I am grinding. I've been waking up between 3:30 and 5 AM for the last couple weeks. Yes, even while I was in school. Now with a good chunk of "free time" it's easy to waste it. I'd consider myself very disciplined, but you can't argue with human nature. You remember Parkinson's Law? The time it takes you to do the things you need to do will expand to fit the time you have to do them. So I have a daily schedule:

    • Wake up at 3:30 AM
    • Eat and hit the gym while listening to business podcasts
    • Meditate
    • Begin 4 hours of working on "The absolute ONE THING I can do TODAY to achieve my long term goal." as well as other priorities
    • 2.5 hours of Copywriting study (school substitute)
    • Work 3:30 PM to 8:30 PM
    • Asleep by 9:30 PM
    I get a good 6 hours of sleep, which seems to work for now.

    MMA Job

    You know how MMA is a "badass" "tough" sport? This studio isn't like that. Our primary students are children aged 3 to 13. What does this mean? I do not market to the kids, I market to the parents. And oh boy is there a huge market! Now, I haven't given the MMA much thought yet, because my priorities are in my eBay business and learning copywriting. Here are some jumbled thoughts:

    My job as an MMA instructor pays...eh. $16.50 per hour. Which amounts to a little under $2k monthly. I believe I am providing enough value to ask for $17 an hour. I will do this soon. In fact, for all I do I should be getting paid WAY more. HOWEVER, I am not working it primarily for the hourly pay. I absolutely hate the idea of trading my time for any amount of money. So why? This will be the first business I use my copywriting skills for. Being a small business, I work with the owner (my boss). He has given me full permission to market his business however I like. I am re-designing the website. I am managing the Facebook page. He also offered me a bonus for any new members I bring in. Weather this is a percentage of their monthly payments, or a one-time bonus, I do not know. Essentially, this job is a HUGE project for me to work on. I will blow up his business, and learn TONS in the process.

    • We are changing locations very soon. This means everything is NEW. Except for our students and a few pieces of equipment (punching bags, target gloves, etc). I will help source all of our new equipment, and get everything running.
    • I will use Direct Marketing to build a better relationship with our current students, as well as pull in new students.
    • I currently run a fitness class for the older students. Aged 16 and above. Some have asked me if I can personally train them. I don't have time, but it is a definite option to make extra $$$ on the side. My boss doesn't mind.
    • I will create a new promo video, complete with go-pros in a Jiu Jitsu match, and an overhead drone during kids classes
    • I will collect testimonials from very happy parents (We really do change their rowdy kids for the better)
    • I will create tournament events, with entry fees to up our monthly revenue
    I could be asking for more pay, but I want to show my value first. After results start coming in, then I will make better pay arrangements. My boss mentioned a partnership, or that I even take over eventually. I don't want this. It'll tie me down to a brick and mortar business. Ultimately my exit strategy is making a small equity agreement and occasionally assisting in marketing for the studio. If he gets around 100 members at our $200 monthly charge, a 2% revenue agreement should bring me a nice $4,000 monthly.


    eBay Business
    Nothing has changed. Still 5 products up. Still only 3 of one product has sold. I'm doing something wrong. I believe feedback is a huge part of my issue. I have 100% positive feedback but only 11 feedbacks. Today I will dedicate most of my time to finding what I'm missing here.

    Copywriting

    I ordered 8 books. Currently reading "The Robert Collier Letter Book." The ones in blue I have finished:

    • Scientific Advertising
    • Cashvertising
    • No B.S. Direct Marketing
    • How to Write a Good Advertisement
    • Tested Advertsing Methods
    • The Lazy Man's Way to Riches
    • 7 Steps to Freedom
    • The Robert Collier Letter Book
    Lets go!

     
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    I was thinking about going on Amazon, but I have dedicated so much time to figuring out eBay that I stubbornly want to make it work. I have to find what I'm doing wrong here. Would you suggest switching over to Amazon before I get too deep into the eBay game?
     
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    I'm lucky in that money is not an issue. My grandmother saved me enough money for college that I could pursue a degree from most UC schools and not get into debt. So class costs are covered, should I pursue the A.A. God she'd have a heart attack if she found out what I did. :D

    I may be able to take them part time and finish over the course of two semesters. But at this point its almost the principle of it all that holds me back. Why do something that won't benefit me, or my ultimate goals? Much rather KICK ASS and make all this college talk irrelevant by August.
     
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    When we relocate, I hope to make an equity deal in which I can benefit from more members. As of now, I am just an employee.
     
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    It seems like you could just open your own MMA Studio. You seem to be doing it all already. Why not feel the rewards for your work?
     
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    I think you have already summarized it. You may want to unlearn this trait. If something's not working for you, maybe you should be evaluating your alternatives?
     
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