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@GlobalWealth .. Not to get political...but I pick and choose the new I read and it seems mainstream media isn't covering or educating us on btc. If this is true, I think I understand why.

@Testament .. Thanks for the links. Time to educate myself on this subject.

Great discussion !
 
I still have to complete reading the white paper by Satoshi Nakamoto on Bitcoin, and educate myself on how bitcoin is used and all the processes relevant to its use, but I believe bitcoin will steadily rise in usage among the world once people know how much faster and cheaper it can be used to make payments, transfers, banking etc.

I am actually thinking of introducing it into my country (developing country), and developing a service based business related to its use.

In reference to the OP's Kenyan mobile money system, there is already something similar being done with bitcoin and SMS(transferring bitcoin via SMS) and I think this method will lead to a lot of the 3rd world becoming becoming part of the worldwide financial system, mobile money is currently being accepted more and more in the 3rd world, so I predict bitcoin will follow. Obvious issue for the 3rd world would be converting btc to fiat, easy with net access but the only problem would be convincing people this is real money haha.

Death to the unscrupulous fractional reserve banking system and long live btc!

By the way, anyone on this thread own and trade in btc or accept it for their business or use it somehow? Just curious
 
Oh btw, how will the fact that there can only be 21 million btc ever affect its future price? Or does supply affect price for btc at all or currently?
Or price is more related to how much use and therefore value there is associated with bitcoin as @BusinessBen mentioned?
or am I basically rephrasing and repeating what you said, but not well?
 
Oh btw, how will the fact that there can only be 21 million btc ever affect its future price? Or does supply affect price for btc at all or currently?
Or price is more related to how much use and therefore value there is associated with bitcoin as @BusinessBen mentioned?
or am I basically rephrasing and repeating what you said, but not well?
Supply always has an impact on price. Supply + demand.

Here's a chart of the current supply https://blockchain.info/charts/total-bitcoins and 3,600 new coins are mined daily. Supply gets cut in half every 4 years until 21,000,000 are released.

Miners have expenses to cover (hardware + electricity, rent, etc) so there is consistent selling pressure during this phase of distribution.

Think of bitcoins as scarce space on a global distributed ledger. The higher people value space on this ledger the higher the price goes. When more and more uses come online the price should increase as well. All uses won't have the same price impact though. Some uses, such as colored coins, where you can mark a "satoshi" 1/100,000,000 of a bitcoin as an asset that can be traded in a fast, secure, and un-restricted way may have little impact on the price (although increase the overall perceived value of the network) while other use-cases such as Store of Value can have an insane impact on the price.

A globally accessible, verifiable, distributed ledger with property that is not only fungible but cannot be counterfeited should become an excellent way to store wealth imo. It has all of the properties that make gold a chosen store of value but it can be accessed from anywhere and transported globally in seconds. So I believe the price affecting super use-case of bitcon as SoV will happen. It only makes sense.

Because this post talks about price movements I'l add my disclaimer again. Do not invest based on my opinions. You could lose everything. The original post was made about a technology, not an investment
 
Oh btw, how will the fact that there can only be 21 million btc ever affect its future price? Or does supply affect price for btc at all or currently?
Or price is more related to how much use and therefore value there is associated with bitcoin as @BusinessBen mentioned?
or am I basically rephrasing and repeating what you said, but not well?

Yeah so there's only 21 million Bitcoins in existence. Right now, there's only about 13 million or so mined, which means in circulation.

The reason for the price increasing is Bitcoin's scarcity, it's like gold there's only so much to go around. Compared with Fiat currency which is unlimited.

In Fiat currency, if the demand increases, more is printed. However what this does is dilute the value of the currency since more is added into circulation. Which is why a dollar in 1960 is different in value to one in 2014. Eventually all Fiat currency's go to 0.

In Bitcoin, if you need more money, the value of the coins increase. This works because as Jake explained, it's possible to send 0.00000001 Bitcoins. So basically if Bitcoin was worth 1M$ it would be possible to send only one cent. Eventually 12 million coins won't be enough for the demand so the value will basically increase until we can start sending multiples of Bitcoins like the Satoshi.

So let's say the value is 1B$ now since the demand is bigger. 0.00000001 Bitcoins would now be worth 10$ which allows more people to use it since 10$ is only a 100 millionth of a Bitcoin. So now instead of people using whole Bitcoins they would use multiples.

I hope I explained this good enough.

Bitcoin Rocks!
 
I wish I had read this 2 years ago.
when I was 17 I stumbled onto the silk road and tried to wrap my head around bitcoins......The price was flashing at a mere 13 dollars. I do think that this post has lots of merit. The coin is gonna go through ALOT before it becomes the cell phone of finance. It is also gonna need some ride or die holders. I really want to see what government and the fed will try to do to it when it gets big enough.
 
Thats true on the current value, but if currency wasnt fiat the gold price today would be 1000 times higher, wars will still happen but they would need someone to loan them the money instead of just printing it.

If bitcoin was in use as sole currency it would mean that its value only goes up which is totally opposite of the fiat currencys. So today 1k bitcoin buys you a house and in 10 years time it still buys you a house. While dollars halves its value in 10 years because of inflation and money printing.

All the gold that has ever been mined in history up until this point in history is estimated at 171,300 tons. Pricing at 1500 US dollars per troy ounce as of April 2013, is estimated at 8 trillion dollars. The price for that same ounce in 1913 (just before the federal reserve was created, the dollar lost 96-98% of it's value since then) was 20 bucks.

So going off of that, 8 trillion dollars in 1913 money when the US dollar was at it's strongest, would've been $339,976,905,609.19 billion at that time. Here's an article from reuters saying that the war cost more than 1.7 trillion (that's leaving out benefits to be paid out to veterans totaling 490 billion but estimated to grow to 6 trillion in the next four decades).

Let's round up to 2 trillion. Going off of that number, 2 trillion in 1913 would've been $83,182,442,623.02 billion dollars, or a quarter of all gold that's been mined in human history. (Here's the inflation calculator I used to get those figures so you can test them: Link)

You're right, it would cost less in more powerful dollars and they could still fund it. :woot:

But instead of being able to endlessly print off money, they'd have to raise taxes. Insanely.

If the war has cost 2 trillion so far and it's stretched out over 10 years, that's 200 billion per year. With the current population of the US (317 million) that'd be 630 dollars per person, per day. o_O Which means they would have to go door to door with a dollar sign embroidered sack, every single day, asking for 630 from every single man, woman and child in the continental United States of America.

I think I'd pretty quickly declare my neutrality and move to Switzerland with that in mind. :)

Sorry if I seem to be making this overly political, this isn't really about the war in Iraq. This is about war in general. 1913 was the year that the federal reserve bank came into being and was allowed to just print fake money that wasn't backed by anything. World war 1 (for the US), began on July 28th, 1914, the very next year.

What would typically happen before this insane printing of fake money able to finance endless wars, was that the warring countries would just fight each other into a stalemate until they had no more resources left to continue it. With the development of fiat currency, that allowed them the ability to just wage war permanently if they were so inclined.

Even in Roman times, Rome was able to keep fighting their endless wars because they just kept melting down their gold coins and diluting them. Near the end of the Roman empire, their currency had been devalued by 98%.

Kind of an eerie parallel.

You can't do that with Bitcoin. It has a set amount of coins in existence, or that ever will exist. You can't keep devaluing them. And since they can keep being traded in smaller and smaller increments, you don't have to worry about them all getting destroyed and having no currency anymore.

0.00000001 BTC is the smallest increment that Bitcoin can go to. So that will never realistically be a problem.

Being unable to print out endless money is one of the big reasons why banks, governments and other assorted entrenched financial interests are scared to death of what a technology like Bitcoin represents. Printing money won't be possible.

That's a whole lot of political power and political favors that go straight out the window. If I were involved with the financial industry in a high level capaity, you'd be damn sure that Bitcoin would have my attention.

When they talk about "competing" with Bitcoin, they don't actually mean they're going to have fair, free market capitalistic competition that's decided by the consumer. What the banks mean is that they're going to go straight to the government and start lobbying to put restrictions on BTC/crypto-currency technology.

From what I read and what I personally think, the US won't go the route of China and ban Bitcoin outright. People are too aware of Bitcoin now, and their window for doing that under the radar pretty much passed. They still could, but people would blatantly see what they were doing.

Most likely, they'll just keep trying to link Bitcoin to the funding of terrorism. To being the main currency used to purchase drugs and weapons, and being the sole form of currency used by child molesters all over the world and until the end of time. So they'll try to keep getting more and more regulations passed to limit the usefulness of Bitcoin, so it gets to a point where no one wants to bother using it because it's such a pain in the a$$.

You can see this by the Bitcoin licensing they just did in New York, and stuff like this sting operation that went down to bust a guy trying to trade bitcoins in person.

To use the analogy of Stefan Molyneux (the one speaking in the video I posted), instead of taking a sledgehammer to the engine and breaking it to pieces, the government/financial sector will just stand back and keep throwing little bits of sand into it. And bit by bit, it'll start to break down until most people will find it so difficult and cumbersome to use, they'll just say "Well, Bitcoin was interesting idea in theroy...but it just didn't work out."

I think that's the real danger from the government/financial sector going forward. I'll again echo what Molyneux spoke and say that it seems like most BTC users aren't getting just how mind-bogglingly massive the entrenched interests we're going up against are. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

For anyone who doesn't fully understand Bitcoin wanting to get a clear, concise picture of what Bitcoin actually is, here's a video that's pretty good at explaining the whole thing:

 
We are in the middle of a technology revolution, and this revolution is on a similar magnatude as the industrial revolution. Its funny as most people dont even realise this. Bitcoin is just a small part, the internet is breaking down barriers all over the place, breaking up old monopolies and reducing the cost of a lot of things.

If you dont start a business now in the middle of the biggest revolution ever you will seriously kick yourself when your older.

p.s. I plan on accepting bitcoin on my hotel app, as soon as stripe gets it out of beta testing. I dont know if they just straight convert it into fiat currency or not tho. Anyone in ecommerce can should start accepting it IMO
 
http://www.dnjournal.com/ytd-sales-charts.htm

DN Journal's 2014 Year-to-Date Top 100 Sales Chart
Highest reported 2014 domain sales in all extensions through Oct. 19, 2014


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BTC.com $1,000,000 DomainGuardians 8/6/14
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BitcoinWallet.com $250,000 Pvt Sale 2/12/14
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Coin.org $75,000 DomainGuardians 11/6/14
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Satoshi.com $75,000 Sedo 7/16/14
 
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So you guys got me.

But I went to buy $100 worth of bitcoin to test it out, and I'm being charged 10% to do this? Thought it was free or nearly free.

Where is the benefit exactly?

https://www.coincorner.com/fees

I think it depends how you buy it, if its from a credit card then the fee will be high, if bank transfer then its cheap or free
 
So you guys got me.

But I went to buy $100 worth of bitcoin to test it out, and I'm being charged 10% to do this? Thought it was free or nearly free.

Where is the benefit exactly?
Not bitcoins fault. Whichever company you're using is charging exorbitant fees.

I've never seen fees that high but the 1% fees that are normal with some companies will be driven into the ground by competition.
 
@Testament ... thanks for starting this and thanks for all the info and links.
I've read a lot on this and will read and follow the bitcoin. Fascinating.
 
This article doesn't say very much but it's interesting because who wrote it - Richard Branson

http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/how-digital-currency-could-transform-the-world

Here's another good article / video but a disagree with it's main point

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102178309

"forget everything you know, because the technology underlying bitcoin has the potential to be a much greater disruptive force than the cryptocurrency itself"

This may be a good selling point to get people interested but the statement is way off. Changing the way the world transacts and stores value at it's core is the most disruptive thing that can happen in our lifetime. It is what underpins all economic activity. The repercussions that come from changing the unit of account into a global, instant, decentralized payment method is bigger than anything else that can come from blockchain tech. Bringing the entire world online into global commerce, allow complete control over you funds, and with the ability to transfer value nearly instantly 24/7..nothing comes close.

Sidebar:

Recently I've been trying to get some samples in from China. The samples will be free and they originally wanted me to pay for shipping on arrival. I was all for this but then for some reason it couldn't work so they wanted me to send a bank transfer for $20 or so. I let them know that it's a small amount and that I'd rather not have to spend my time going to the bank to make the transfer. I asked if they'd accept bitcoin as I could make the transfer immediately. No answer after 2 days. One of these days the world may catch onto a cheaper, faster, less painful means of transferring value but for now I may be forced to waste time dealing with archaic means of transfer and waste my time at a bank.
 

a 9 minute video explaining how the blockchain will change lives! If this video doesn't explain it in layman terms, you might as well never pay off your debts with the bank!

This is why I accept bitcoin on my e-commerce store and offer a discount (7%) to encourage its adoption.
 

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