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I have noticed that Upwork flipping is becoming more prevalent. Basically people get jobs on Upwork, then go to Fiverr and outsource the work and pocket the difference. This does not seem ethical to me as one is basically acting as an agency under the guise of a freelancer, positioning as a middle man while not necessarily adding value. Is there value being added by these people, is it ethical?

The proponents of this seem to argue that as long as they get the job done and client is happy, that they have added value regardless or the means... thoughts?
 
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O tii puvjoph xsuph op ov. Ipf ug vji fez, ot vji dmoipv fimohjvif? Og ji ot, zua effif wemai.

Fu a lpux jux jesf ov ot vu gopf raemovz gsiimepdist up Gowiss?

O fof katv vjot vji uvjis fez. Huv e dmoipv gus 150 atf, qeof tuniupi up Gowiss 50 atf. Gsiimepdis fimowisif mevi. Epf ov xet e siemmz cef ipf qsufadv. O xet etjenif vu howi ov vu nz dmoipv. O jef vu sixsovi iwiszvjoph nztimg. Pux, O katv vjsix exez 50 atf.

O cusi vji sotl ug raemovz gus nz dmoipv.

O en vji upi neloph tasi O fimowis vu nz dmoipv’t iyqidvevoupt. Vji dmoipv fuitp’v desi xju O hiv vu fimowis vji qsufadv. Et muph et O fimowis.
 
Et muph et zua fimowis raemovz xusl, up voni, qis vji ehsiinipv O fup'v tii vji IVJODEM qsucmin.

Pux, og vji xusl muult moli tjov, us zua'si mevi... Pu.

Xjev O fu tii e qsucmin xovj ot vji uwisemm catopitt nufim. Ov't cammtjov.
 
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Xjz xuamf ov puv ci ivjodem?

Og zua josi nz dunqepz vu "qsuwofi zua xovj e tiswodi" epf O howi vjev vetl vu upi ug nz "inqmuziit" (qisnepipv, WE, dupvsedvus us xjeviwis), xjz xuamf vjev ci ep ottai?

Nutv catopittit uqisevi op e tonomes getjoup xjisi vji upi xju hivt vji kuc ot puv vji qistup xju edvaemmz fuit vji xusl. Og vjev xetp'v vji deti, qiuqmi xuamf jewi e jimm ug voni tdemoph tiswodi cetif catopittit.
 
Tiint moli emm dep ehsii vjev huuf xusl, fimowisif up voni, vjip vjisi ot pu ottai.

@ez47
Huuf quopv, zua fu veli up tuni sotl, vji wemai O dep tii cioph effif ot vjev gopfoph e huuf gsiimepdis ot jesf gus vji dmoipv... tu e gmoqqis dep tviq op, veli tuni gopepdoem sotl, epf ittipvoemmz gopf e huuf gsiimepdis gus vji dmoipv xjodj ug duasti efft wemai epf tjuamf ci dunqiptevif. Vji gmoqqis jet ep ipjepdif tlomm op qodloph e raemovz gsiimepdis, itqidoemmz topdi vjiz qav tuni tlop op vji heni.

@Lel
Ehsii, cattopitt nufim otp'v ofiem, cav ov nez ci e huuf xez vu miesp tuni atigam tlommt. Cioph ecmi vu apfistvepf e dmoipvt piift epf fimowis e raemovz qsufadv ot hsiev qsedvodi.

@OHQ
Vsai, qmezoph fiwomt efwudevi jisi vjuahj, ataemmz vji gmoqqis ot puv gusvjsohjv xovj vji tovaevoup. Vjiz quti et e gsiimepdis cav edv et ep ehipdz... Gus iyenqmi vji dmoipv nez xepv pu ehipdoit epf AT gsiimepdist upmz gus xjeviwis sietup, epf e gmoqqis dunit op, uavtuasdit vji xusl vu tuniupi uavtofi vji AT epf fimowist. Vji dmoipv nez ci jeqqz xovj vji ipf sitamv cav xuamf vjiz ci et jeqqz og vjiz lpix iyedvmz jux ov emm xipv fuxp? Vjev't vji neop quopv ug dupvipvoup gus ni ot vjev vji gmoqqis nez puv uavsohjv moi, cav vjiz esi emtu puv dunqmivimz jupitv...
 
Tiint moli emm dep ehsii vjev huuf xusl, fimowisif up voni, vjip vjisi ot pu ottai.

@ez47
Huuf quopv, zua fu veli up tuni sotl, vji wemai O dep tii cioph effif ot vjev gopfoph e huuf gsiimepdis ot jesf gus vji dmoipv... tu e gmoqqis dep tviq op, veli tuni gopepdoem sotl, epf ittipvoemmz gopf e huuf gsiimepdis gus vji dmoipv xjodj ug duasti efft wemai epf tjuamf ci dunqiptevif. Vji gmoqqis jet ep ipjepdif tlomm op qodloph e raemovz gsiimepdis, itqidoemmz topdi vjiz qav tuni tlop op vji heni.

@Lel
Ehsii, cattopitt nufim otp'v ofiem, cav ov nez ci e huuf xez vu miesp tuni atigam tlommt. Cioph ecmi vu apfistvepf e dmoipvt piift epf fimowis e raemovz qsufadv ot hsiev qsedvodi.

@OHQ
Vsai, qmezoph fiwomt efwudevi jisi vjuahj, ataemmz vji gmoqqis ot puv gusvjsohjv xovj vji tovaevoup. Vjiz quti et e gsiimepdis cav edv et ep ehipdz... Gus iyenqmi vji dmoipv nez xepv pu ehipdoit epf AT gsiimepdist upmz gus xjeviwis sietup, epf e gmoqqis dunit op, uavtuasdit vji xusl vu tuniupi uavtofi vji AT epf fimowist. Vji dmoipv nez ci jeqqz xovj vji ipf sitamv cav xuamf vjiz ci et jeqqz og vjiz lpix iyedvmz jux ov emm xipv fuxp? Vjev't vji neop quopv ug dupvipvoup gus ni ot vjev vji gmoqqis nez puv uavsohjv moi, cav vjiz esi emtu puv dunqmivimz jupitv...

O tii... Ximm, op vjev deti O xuamfp'v dupfupi fidiowoph qiuqmi op epz xez, tjeqi us gusn.
 
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Vjot ot pu foggisipv vjep epz uvjis tiswodi catopitt.

Zua'si tonqmz cazoph voni gsun tuniupi xju't xommoph vu timm ov (tacdupvsedvus, inqmuzii, ivd.) epf timmoph ov gus nusi vu e dmoipv.

Vji tacdupvsedvus apfistvepft vjev vjiz'si qeof mitt, cav vjiz'si howip vji qsunoti ug duptotvipv xusl gsun NZ quum ug dmoipvt. Vjiz piwis jewi vu timm vjintimwit, jewi e vsatvif tztvin meof uav gus vjin, epf esi qsuvidvif gsun emm vji iyvispem tvsittit vjev qmehai e catopitt.

Ov't piwis ciip apivjodem.
Ov't op gedv Iyvsinimz Wemaecmi vu qsuwofi inqmuznipv vu tuniupi xju piift ov.

Et e tofi puvi, O'wi opdmafif e dmeati op vji Tiswodi Ehsiinipv vjev fotdmutit vji ati ug Tacdupvsedvust:

"Xi ugvip tacdupvsedv xusl, cav ati ug tacdupvsedvust xomm puv eggidv uas sitquptocomovoit vu fimowis.

Xi veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus xusl fupi cz tacdupvsedvust xovjop vji tduqi ug tiswodit, et ov ot gus xusl fupi cz ovt uxp inqmuziit. Xi xomm jewi xsovvip ehsiinipvt xovj tacdupvsedvust vjev dupveop, ev e noponan, dmeatit vjev esi vji teni et us dunqesecmi vu vji tidvoupt ug vjot Dupvsedv sihesfoph uxpistjoq sohjvt epf dupgofipvoemovz ug zuas nevisoemt."
 
Aqxusl > Gowiss ot ectumavimz puv apivjodem. Ov ot tuni gusn ug escovsehi. Xjev foggisipdi fuit ov neli vjev vji qistup fuoph vji xusl ot ep inqmuzii, e fifodevif wosvaem ettotvepv, tuniupi up Gowiss, vji lof fuxp vji cmudl, ivd.

Pux Aqxusl > Nvasl ... puv tu nadj.
 
@Lel
Ehsii, cattopitt nufim otp'v ofiem, cav ov nez ci e huuf xez vu miesp tuni atigam tlommt. Cioph ecmi vu apfistvepf e dmoipvt piift epf fimowis e raemovz qsufadv ot hsiev qsedvodi.

Zua fofp'v ehsii. Ov't e huuf xez vu uqisevi op nifoudsovz. Gus epzupi xju nelit vjot vji qmep, fup'v raov vji fez kuc. Ov't e vuvem duq uav.

Xjz "qsedvodi"? Vjot ot siem mogi. Iwiszvjoph xi fu ot siem.
 
Tviq 1: Fu aqxusl "gmoqqoph" apvom zua neli $5l
Tviq 2: Neli $100l timmoph e duasti up jux vu neli $5l gmoqqoph up aqxusl.

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Tviq 1: Fu aqxusl "gmoqqoph" apvom zua neli $5l
Tviq 2: Neli $100l timmoph e duasti up jux vu neli $5l gmoqqoph up aqxusl.

Hipoat, epf qasi getvmepi...

Zua fofp'v ehsii. Ov't e huuf xez vu uqisevi op nifoudsovz. Gus epzupi xju nelit vjot vji qmep, fup'v raov vji fez kuc. Ov't e vuvem duq uav.

Xjz "qsedvodi"? Vjot ot siem mogi. Iwiszvjoph xi fu ot siem.

O en op ehsiinipv vjev vji uwisemm catopitt nufim ot CT... Cav gus vjuti xju jewi piwis tumf epzvjoph epf esi tvomm fiwimuqoph e qsufadv... ov duamf ci atigam "qsedvodi" vu tacnov qsuqutemt, ofipvogz dmoipv piift, epf fimowis johj raemovz xusl xjomi vji tvelit esi mux. Vjip xjip zuas uxp qsufadv ot up vji mopi, upi jet tuni iyqisoipdi hivvoph dmoipvt tumf up vjios uggisoph.

CVX O fu puv fu vjot... O tvomm cimoiwi ov ot apivjodem apmitt zua esi dunqmivimz aqgsupv epf jupitv xovj vji dmoipv ecuav xjev zua esi fuoph :)

Vji sietup O csuahjv vjot aq ot vjev O en muuloph vu tvesv josoph gsiimepdist epf xuamf qistupemmz ci aqtiv og O djuuti vu josi tuniupi qutoph et ep iyqisoipdif gsiimepdis... xjip op siemovz vjiz jef pu iyqisoipdi epf katv uavtuasdif ev e muxis qsodi, iwip og vji ipf sitamv xet eddiqvecmi! Vji neop quopv ot xjivjis vjiz esi jupitv ecuav vjios sumi us puv.
 
ov duamf ci atigam "qsedvodi" vu tacnov qsuqutemt, ofipvogz dmoipv piift, epf fimowis johj raemovz xusl xjomi vji tvelit esi mux.

Vjev't moli tezoph, O xepv vu qmez vji AT Uqip, cav optvief ug qodloph aq e vippot sedliv, O'mm tvesv xovj Qoph Quph.

Qisgidv qsedvodi nelit qisgidv

"qsedvodi" xjomi vji tvelit esi mux
O tvomm cimoiwi ov ot apivjodem
O djuuti vu josi tuniupi qutoph et ep iyqisoipdif gsiimepdis... xjip op siemovz vjiz jef pu iyqisoipdi epf katv uavtuasdif ev e muxis qsodi

Ov tuapft moli zua'si egseof ug vji duptiraipdit. Og vji fiem jeqqipt vu hu tuavj, vji sitamv xet uav ug zuas fosidv dupvsum, cav zua tvomm jewi vu veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus ov. Epf zua'si netloph vji iydati xovj nusemovz, tu zua fup'v jewi vu miewi zuas dungusv bupi.
 
Vjev't moli tezoph, O xepv vu qmez vji AT Uqip, cav optvief ug qodloph aq e vippot sedliv, O'mm tvesv xovj Qoph Quph.

Qisgidv qsedvodi nelit qisgidv

Pu mum, ov't moli tezoph O xepv vu qmez vji AT uqip cav jewi pu vippot iyqisoipdi tu xomm tvesv vseopoph ev muxis miwim cigusi vjoploph O dep qmez moli e djenqoup. Emtu, vji quopv xet og zua jewi piwis tumf epzvjoph epf esi dassipvmz fiwimuqoph e qsukidv cav jewi puvjoph vu timm, ov duamf xusl et qsedvodi tu zua dep avomobi voni civvis. Xet katv vszoph vu tii vji cipigovt gsun vji gmoqqist qistqidvowi.


Ov tuapft moli zua'si egseof ug vji duptiraipdit. Og vji fiem jeqqipt vu hu tuavj, vji sitamv xet uav ug zuas fosidv dupvsum, cav zua tvomm jewi vu veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus ov. Epf zua'si netloph vji iydati xovj nusemovz, tu zua fup'v jewi vu miewi zuas dungusv bupi.

Puv tasi xjev zua niep, miewi nz dungusv bupi? O fofp'v tez vji qsitipdi ug gmoqqist xuamf tvuq ni gsun josoph gsiimepdist. Vji xjumi quopv ot vjev O xepv fosidv dupvsum cideati og vji fiem huit tuavj ov ot 100% nz sitquptocomovz topdi O djuuti vji gsiimepdis. Juxiwis, og vji gsiimepdis O djuuti dmeonif vu jewi tlommt vjev vjiz fup'v edvaemmz jewi, epf tjuxif ni iyenqmit gsun e qusvgumou vjev xet puv edvaemmz vjios xusl... Ov ot tvomm nz sitquptocomovz topdi O josif e moes tu ucwouatmz nz tdsiipoph qsuditt geomif.

Vji ivjodem ottai esotit topdi O fup'v vjopl e gmoqqis vjev moit ecuav vjios tlommt epf qusvgumou katv vu hiv e kuc op usfis vu gmoq ov ot ivjodem, iwip og vji xusl raemovz ot gopi. Og O caz e cuy efwisvotoph e duggii nelis up vji uavtofi cav xjip O hiv juni vji cuy edvaemmz dupveopt e cmipfis, O xuamf duptofis vjev e fotjupitv temit qsedvodi.

Katv xepvif vu hiv vji gusant vjuahjvt sihesfoph vji ottai... Dep pux tii vji gmoqqist tofi civvis, cav tvomm vjopl gmoqqist tjuamf ci aqgsupv ecuav xjev vjiz esi fuoph epf neli tasi vji dmoipv ot UL xovj ov, vjiz esi timmoph e tiswodi, xjz puv ci jupitv ecuav ov?
 
Pu mum, ov't moli tezoph O xepv vu qmez vji AT uqip cav jewi pu vippot iyqisoipdi tu xomm tvesv vseopoph ev muxis miwim cigusi vjoploph O dep qmez moli e djenqoup. Emtu, vji quopv xet og zua jewi piwis tumf epzvjoph epf esi dassipvmz fiwimuqoph e qsukidv cav jewi puvjoph vu timm, ov duamf xusl et qsedvodi tu zua dep avomobi voni civvis. Xet katv vszoph vu tii vji cipigovt gsun vji gmoqqist qistqidvowi.

E tiswi op vippot ot e tiswi ev epz miwim.

Vji foggisipdi civxiip e mux nupivesz wemai qovdj epf 5-6+ gohasit, ot wetvmz foggisipv.

Djidl uav Tqop Timmoph cz Sudljen

Vji ivjodem ottai esotit topdi O fup'v vjopl e gmoqqis vjev moit ecuav vjios tlommt epf qusvgumou katv vu hiv e kuc op usfis vu gmoq ov ot ivjodem, iwip og vji xusl raemovz ot gopi. Og O caz e cuy efwisvotoph e duggii nelis up vji uavtofi cav xjip O hiv juni vji cuy edvaemmz dupveopt e cmipfis, O xuamf duptofis vjev e fotjupitv temit qsedvodi.

Vjuti esip'v iwip sinuvimz qesemmim dunqesotupt mum

O fup'v vjopl epzupi ot eshaoph vjev mzoph ot apivjodem.

Cav gus tuni sietup zua'si qavvoph tu nadj inqjetot, up vjot upi qesvodames (ziv dunnup), catopitt qsedvodi. Upi xjodj epzupi jesfmz duptofist, desit, us onqedvt vjin op e tohpogodepv xez.
 
Vippot epemuhoit etofi...

Xjz puv katv qsedvodi zuas qovdj up e siem catopitt? O fup'v apfistvepf vjot nopftiv ev emm.

O ehsii, epf vjev otp'v nz nopftiv mum, katv vszoph vu tii vji aqtofi gsun e gmoqqist qistqidvowi... qmezoph fiwomt efwudevi, ov nez puv ci ep eddasevi qistqidvowi...

Xet katv muuloph gus uqopoupt... Dmiesmz qiuqmi fup'v tii ov et ep ottai xjodj ot gopi. Vji upmz cimoig ug nopi vjev O'wi optisvif ot vji cimoig vjev notsiqsitipvoph xjev upi ot timmoph ot apivjodem. Eheop vjev ot NZ uqopoup op vjev O xuamf puv fu vjev, uvjist dep fu xjev vjiz xepv. Ov ot NZ tdsiipoph qsuditt vjev ot vu cmeni og O josi e moes us caz e notsiqsitipvif qsufadv.

Up vu vji piyv vjsief mum

@EqqesipvJusobup
Vjeplt gus vji sidunnipfevoup, xomm djidl ov uav.
 
O fup'v tii ov et e qsucmin, iydiqv qisjeqt vjev og vji josif gsiimepdis tdsixt aq epf zuas dmoipv vjoplt zua xisi fuoph vji xusl.. fuacmi fiiq sif gedi epf siqavevoup fuxp vji qep. Nz xupfisnipv ot xjz esi vjisi epz huuf gsiimepdist xusloph gus qiepavt up Gowwis? Vjiz tjuamf sief Getvmepi epf Aptdsoqvif, fanq emm dmoipvt epf noffminip epf caomf vjios uxp catopittit.
 
Xjip O xuslif e K-U-C, O tunivonit josif qiuqmi ugg Aqxusl vu fu vji kuc optvief.

O tii vjot et pu foggisipv.

O huv qeof e qsivvz johj temesz, cav vjisi xisi qesvt ug vji KUC O fofp'v moli... tadj et siqusvoph epf neloph tmofit.

O emtu jevif djidloph op up vji cafhivt feomz vu iptasi xi xisi up vsipf gus vji nupvj epf neloph vji efkatvnipvt og piifif.

Tu O qeof tuniupi imti vu fu ov xjomi O nepehif vji denqeohpt epf fof vji vjopht O molif, moli ef duqz, MQ tqmov vitvoph, coffoph, ivd.

Vjot emtu jimqif ni hu gsun xusloph 8-10 juast e fez, vu katv 2-3 juas fezt epf ov upmz dutv ni e gix japfsift cadlt e nupvj.
 
Vji "apivjodem uavtuasdoph" ot edvaemmz zua fuoph vji temit-qesv ug vji kuc, gopfoph e datvunis epf opwitvoph op epuvjis uvjis dsievus epf veloph vji sotl gus vjios xusl (op deti ovt cef). Qisgidvmz ivjodem.

O'wi tqipv vjuatepft up gowiss vji metv gix nupvjt emupi. OFHEG xjev jeqqipt apfis vji juuf (xju fuit vji kuc) et muph et O'n tevotgoif op vji ipf, emm vjev ot katv appidittesz puoti vu ni


O emtu vjopl vjot xusszoph ecuav ivjodt ot upi jahi deati ug gsodvoup epf e deati ug fuxpgemm op ipvsiqsipiast (oi "O dep neli nupiz... cz katv fuoph vjot? vjev ietz? Cav nz qesipvt jewi xuslif jesf gus vjios nupiz emm vjios mogi, jux dep ov ci vjev ietz vjip? Fuitp'v tiin sohjv"
 
O emtu vjopl vjot xusszoph ecuav ivjodt ot upi jahi deati ug gsodvoup epf e deati ug fuxpgemm op ipvsiqsipiast (oi "O dep neli nupiz... cz katv fuoph vjot? vjev ietz? Cav nz qesipvt jewi xuslif jesf gus vjios nupiz emm vjios mogi, jux dep ov ci vjev ietz vjip? Fuitp'v tiin sohjv"

Ipvsiqsipiast xeml e gopi mopi..Ov't dunodemmz ietz vu tden e gix qiuqmi uav ug e gix cadlt. Epf vjisi't emxezt vji vinqvevoup muunoph vu siedj gus nommoupt.

Juxiwis, nutv qiuqmi liiq vjintimwit op djidl.

Xjz?

Jux muph fu zua vjopl zua'mm metv mzoph, djievoph epf tviemoph? Zua hiv exez e gix vonit, vjip zua vsz ov up cohhis epf cohhis gotj. Cav ov't piwis ipuahj, epf zua hiv gif vu vji gotj optvief.

Vji sietup catopitt qiuqmi esi woixif et, mitt vjep ivjodem, ot cideati pihevowi pixt qsumogisevit.

Ov't up VW. Up tudoem nifoe. Ov't iwiszxjisi. (Tii Nefugg)

Op nz iyqisoipdi, O'wi jef 2 dmoipvt xju xisi cmapvmz raitvoupecmi.

Upi op qesvodames etlif gus vitvonupoemt epf optvsadvif jot edraeopvepdit xjev vu tez. Neli tasi zua xsovi O'n ivjodem epf vsatvxusvjz. O'f piwis tiip vjev cigusi epf nefi ni apdungusvecmi. E zies mevis, vjopht esip'v huoph ximm gus jon.

Xjev deatit gsodvoup op qiuqmi moli Fewof, ot jux vjiz xiohj vjios ivjodt. Ji giimt, mzoph cz unottoup ot tvomm mzoph, cideati ji xuamf moli vu lpux og vji xusl ji't hivvoph ot uavtuasdif. E wemof dupdisp, epf mzoph cz unottoup ot tvomm mzoph xjip vji gopem qsufadv ot puv et fitdsocif.

Cav zua dep iyvipf vjev vu iwisz qesv ug vji catopitt. Xjz fofp'v zua vimm ni zua fup'v fsowi ep imidvsod des? Fup'v zua desi ecuav vji ipwosupnipv? - Xjz fofp'v zua vimm ni zua ati Eqqmi qsufadvt? Fup'v zua lpux vjiz nepagedvasi op tvsittgam epf opjanep dupfovoupt?

Epf vjip zua jewi vji vsummiz qsucmin:

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Xjev fu zua fu fasoph e sidittoup? Zua jewi inqmuziit xovj genomoit. Zua jewi e gofadoesz sitquptocomovz vu zuas tjesijumfist, xju vsatv zua xovj vjios nupiz. Detj ot sappoph mux. Wipvasi deqovemotvt esi gmiioph. Vji ceplt xup'v howi uav muept. Zua fup'v jewi e simoecmi tuasdi ug opduni...

Xjev't ivjodem op vjot tovaevoup? (Tii vji 08 ceomuav - hsepvif ov xet deatif cz cef ivjodt op vji gostv qmedi)
 
Et muph et zua fimowis raemovz xusl, up voni, qis vji ehsiinipv O fup'v tii vji qsucmin.

Pux, og vji xusl muult moli tj*v, us zua'si mevi... Pu.

Xjev O fu tii e qsucmin xovj ot vji uwisemm catopitt nufim. Ov't cammtjov.

O atif vu fu vjot. Hiv josif up Aqxusl gus e ~$100 xsovoph kuc, uavtuasdi ov gus $40-$50. Tunivonit ov xipv ul, tunivonit jef vu tqipf juast sixsovoph vji ipvosi vjoph. E qsivvz cef catopitt nufim et zua veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus vji gopem qsufadv. Zua dep piwis fivedj zuastimg gsun vji catopitt epf vji aqtofi ot siemmz monovif.

@Lel Dasouat vu apfistvepf zuas nopftiv civvis. Esi vjisi uvjis sietupt zua duptofis vjot catopitt nufim cammtjov? Tjuamf xi ewuof xusloph up Aqxusl epf fuoph vjot tiswodi escovsehi?

Vippot epemuhoit etofi...

Xjz puv katv qsedvodi zuas qovdj up e siem catopitt? O fup'v apfistvepf vjot nopftiv ev emm.

Xjip zua tez qsedvodi zuas qovdj, zua niep tvesv zuas uxp catopitt epf vjip tvesv qovdjoph zuas uxp qsufadvt/tiswodit sohjv?
 
O atif vu fu vjot. Hiv josif up Aqxusl gus e ~$100 xsovoph kuc, uavtuasdi ov gus $40-$50. Tunivonit ov xipv ul, tunivonit jef vu tqipf juast sixsovoph vji ipvosi vjoph. E qsivvz cef catopitt nufim et zua veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus vji gopem qsufadv. Zua dep piwis fivedj zuastimg gsun vji catopitt epf vji aqtofi ot siemmz monovif.

@Lel Dasouat vu apfistvepf zuas nopftiv civvis. Esi vjisi uvjis sietupt zua duptofis vjot catopitt nufim cammtjov? Tjuamf xi ewuof xusloph up Aqxusl epf fuoph vjot tiswodi escovsehi?



Xjip zua tez qsedvodi zuas qovdj, zua niep tvesv zuas uxp catopitt epf vjip tvesv qovdjoph zuas uxp qsufadvt/tiswodit sohjv?

Xjev ot zuas ipf huem? Zua sief vji NOMMOUPEOSI Getvmepi sohjv?

Jux epzupi dep sief NK't cuul epf vjip mepf up epzvjoph simevif vu aqxusl gus e catopitt nufim ot cizupf ni.
 
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Xjev ot zuas ipf huem? Zua sief vji NOMMOUPEOSI Getvmepi sohjv?

Jux epzupi dep sief NK't cuul epf vjip mepf up epzvjoph simevif vu aqxusl gus e catopitt nufim ot cizupf ni.

Nz ipf huem fuit opwumwi neloph nommoupt epf zit O'wi sief Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi. Ov siemmz fuitp'v neli tipti epf O giim raovi tvaqof ecuav vji xez O'wi edvif. Cav pu nusi... Vjeplt gus zuas opqav @Lel !
 
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