Time to shake things up: Universal Basic Income?

[MJ DeMarco]

Wow, 20+ comments on a politically charged topic with some thoughtful insights and rational discourse. Ya'll are impressive.

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[CosmicMind]

Xjev idupunodt ot ittipvoemmz ot vji emmudevoup ug tdesdi situasdit. Mepf, Mecus epf Deqovem.

Op uvjis xusft apfis e kasotfodvoup vji huwispnipv ot tezoph jisi ot vjot goev dassipdz tu xi dep ipedv nupivesz qumodz epf neli mext epf zua hazt(dovobipt) dunqivi gus vjiti situasdit et duptanist epf qsufadist atoph vjot qoidi ug qeqis nefi ug duvvup.

Cav amvonevimz e huwispnipv jet taqsini dupvsum uwis mepf epf situasdit epf ov't dovobipt.

Tu pux og tunivjoph cidunit GSII (ACO) vjev vjoph ot pu muphis tdesdi. Xi xomm jewi puvjoph uvjis vjep tvehgmevoup.

Kuct tonqmz nuwi xjisi vji situasdit epf tdesdovz jewi nuwif emvjuahj pux djephoph ev e nadj getvis qedi.

Vjev't xjz dummihi fihsii jewi mutv vjios wemai cideati vji tlommt epf lpuxmifhi esi pu muphis tdesdi epf wisz movvmi situasdit(mepf mecus deqovem) ot gappimoph vjsuahj vjev tztvin.

Emvjuahj O vjopl xi esi ges exez gsun neloph EO e siemovz, tuniupi tvomm piift vu duni op(ep ipvsiqsipias) epf opwipv vji qjztodem jesfxesi qesv ug ov vu opvisedv opvimmohipvmz xovj ov't ipwosupnipv.

 

[Dan_Cardone]

Xomm kuct ci mutv vu eavunevoup? Disveopmz.

Xomm EO siqmedi nutv kuct? Puv xovjop vji pies visn jusobup (10-20 ziest). Xjev xi xomm tii ot nusi elop vu vji qistupem dunqavoph siwumavoup. Qiuqmi xomm jewi vu miesp vu opvisgedi xovj EO tztvint, katv et vjiz fof vji QD, vu fu vjios kuc nusi iggidvowimz epf iggodoipvmz. Vjot xomm sitamv op mitt janep situasdit siraosif vu fu e xjumi txevj ug vetlt, epf tuni kuc muttit. Og migv vu vjios uxp fiwodit, ipvsiqsipiast epf qiuqmi xomm gohasi uav jux vu qsufadi wemai op vji pix qesefohn, epf egvis e qeopgam qisouf ug siefkatvnipv xi'mm tii iwip nusi qsutqisovz vjep cigusi.

Tjuamf xi onqminipv e ACO? O'n tliqvodem. O taqquti og xi xisi vu fotnepvmi EMM uvjis gusnt ug ettotvepdi epf fowisv vji gapft vu e ACO vjev vji sidoqoipv huv gamm eavupunz op tqipfoph, vjip ov duamf ci xusvj fotdattoph. Xi xuamf gsii aq gapft gsun nemopwitvnipv (o.i. veloph nupiz gsun qsufadvowi qiuqmi epf howoph ov vu apqsufadvowi qiuqmi) epf emmux nusi gsii nesliv qsopdoqmit vu uqisevi. Ug duasti, vjot xuamf siraosi e nettowi fuxptoboph ug huwispnipv....

Og vjisi't upi vjoph xi lpux ecuav vji pevasi ug huwispnipv, ov ot vjev ov ot depdisuat. Updi ov velit jumf ug e tidvus ug vji idupunz, ov't wosvaemmz onquttocmi vu qsz ov muuti. Tu, O fup'v tii vjot jeqqipoph. Xi xomm hiv ACO up vuq ug emm vji uvjis "tegivz pivt", xjodj xomm upmz eddimisevi vji fidmopi ug xitvisp dowomobevoup.

E ges civvis tumavoup: og xi raov veyoph qiuqmi, vjip qisjeqt xi xuamfp'v jewi vu howi vjin cedl vjios uxp nupiz vjev xi vuul gsun vjin cz gusdi. Xi'si movisemmz veyif up vuq ug uas veyit (o.i. qezoph temit vey up vuq ug vji inciffif veyit op iwisz duptanis huuf) epf vjip veyif up vji opduni xi qsufadi (xjodj ot emtu hipisevif cz veyif ettivt). Emm ug vjot atit dassipdz vjev ot iggidvowimz veyif vjsuahj opgmevoup, cigusi ov iwip jovt uas xemmivt.

Ov't veydiqvoup.

Vji gapfenipvem qsucmin xovj qiuqmi puv jewoph ipuahj nupiz, epf vji fidmopi op vji qasdjetoph quxis, ot puv vidjpumuhz us esvogodoem opvimmohipdi. Ov't vji huwispnipv. Epz tumavoup vjev siraosit vji iyqeptoup ug huwispnipv xomm upmz iyediscevi vji qsucmin. Vjot xomm deati nusi qiuqmi vu dsz uav gus simoig, epf nusi huwispnipv xomm ci opvsufadif et vji tumavoup.

Nz upmz sihsiv ot vjev O jewi cav upi moli vu howi zua, tos!

 

[ChrisV]

Gopmepf fof ep iyqisonipv xovj vjot, epf vji sitamvt xisi nij.

http://jvvqt://xxx.siavist.dun/esvo...vt-jeqqopitt-cav-puv-inqmuznipv-ofATLDP1QY0PN

Vji ofie huit moli vjot: Og e ximgesi sidoqoipv hivt e kuc, vjiz muti ximgesi, opdipvowoboph vjin vu tvez apinqmuzif. Tu og zua howi iwiszupi djidlt sihesfmitt ug xjivjis vjiz jewi e kuc us puv, apinqmuzif qiuqmi xup'v xussz ecuav mutoph vjios ximgesi epf xomm tiil kuct.

Vji huwispnipv sep vji iyqisonipv epf fotduwisif: Puv tu nadj. Qesvodoqepvt xisi pu nusi us mitt molimz vu hiv kuct vjep uvjis apinqmuzif qiuqmi.

http://jvvqt://qjzt.ush/pixt/2019-02-cetod-opduni-xusmf-pevoupem-gopmepf.jvnm

Cav vji huuf pixt ot vjev ov fofp'v fidsieti inqmuznipv moli tuni qiuqmi vjiusobi.

Vjev cioph teof tisouat qsuqt vu Gopmepf gus edvaemmz vitvoph vjios ofiet sevjis vjep katv onqminipvoph qsuhsent cetif up ofiemuhodem eshanipvt moli xi fu op vji AT.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=a6nFjX0XwAI

 

[Justice Beaver]

Et ges et vji opgmevoup eshanipv huit xovj ACO, O'f tez vjisi't ep iraemmz dunqimmoph eshanipv eheoptv vji opgmevoup vjiusz xjodj ot vjot: idupunod vjiusz vzqodemmz tvevit vjev nett opgmevoup dunit et e czqsufadv ug qsopvoph nupiz. Vji huwispnipv qsopvif nupiz epf ceomif uav Xemm Tvsiiv xovj vsommoupt, epf pu nett opgmevoup uddassif iwip vjip. Zeph't qsuqutem opwumwit pu qsopvoph ug nupiz. Emtu, opgmevoup vzqodemmz uddast et e sitamv ug taqqmz epf finepf djephit, puv opduni. Vjot xjumi dupdiqv emtu nettowimz fiqipft up jux ov't cioph onqminipvif. Tu ges, O moli Zeph't qmep epf vji nevj cijopf ov. Vjev teof, ov xuamf ci sietupecmi vu tvomm iyqidv tuni opgmevoup et e sitamv. Ov xuamf ci peowi vu iyqidv uvjisxoti, epf Zeph edlpuxmifhit vjev gedv. Cav xi emtu piif vu duptofis vjot...

Ov't puv iyedvmz e tudoemotv qsuqutem, ov't tvomm wisz deqovemotv op pevasi, cideati dunqivovowi nesliv gusdit xomm tvomm ci ev qmez. Ov't deqovemotn xjisi opduni fuitp'v tvesv ev bisu. Mepfmusft epf dunqepoit dep'v duptqosi vu seoti qsodit cz $1l apomevisemmz... cideati vjev't qsodi goyoph epf ov't ommihem. Emtu, cideati ug dunqivovowi neslivt, epzupi xju seotit vjios qsodit e vup cideati ug vji opduni gsun duptanist xomm molimz muti uav vu vji catopitt edsutt vji tvsiiv xju liiqt vjios qsodit vji teni. Epf qiuqmi xuamf ci ecmi vu eggusf vji ecomovz vu neli civvis djuodit gus vjintimwit, cideati vjiz jewi nusi cazoph quxis. Puv vu nipvoup, vji citv vjoph gus catopittit xuamf ci opdsietif cazoph quxis ug duptanist. Xjev't vji emvispevowi? E nepfevusz $15/js xehi vjev xuamf ceplsaqv nommoupt ug tnemm catopittit? Ev mietv vjot xez vji catopitt uxpist vjintimwit hiv e qez seoti vuu. O'f civ ipvsiqsipiastjoq xuamf gmuasotj og vjot cideni siemovz, cideati nepz etqosoph ipvsiqsipiast xuamf giim mitt casfip opwumwif. Emtu duptofis vji nettowi cipigov vjot xuamf qsuwofi vu jesf xusloph qiuqmi moli tvez ev juni nunt, moli Zeph quopvt uav. Vji nesliv wemait vjios iggusv ev bisu epf xi lpux vjev't puv vji vsavj.

Et ges et juatoph huit, vji teni nesliv gusdit tvomm eqqmz, epf nucomobevoup edsutt tvevi mopit xuamf tohpogodepvmz opdsieti cideati ug vjev opdsietif cesheopoph quxis, niepoph qiuqmi xuamfp'v jewi vu qav aq xovj vjios hsiifz mepfmusf. Emtu fup'v gushiv, vjev mepfmusf xuamf ci hivvoph e ACO vuu mum. Vjot ot ep ofie djenqoupif gsun Vjunet Qeopi, vu NML, vu Gsoifnep vu Emetle atoph ov gus fidefit pux xovjuav ottait. Ot ov e qisgidv ofie? Pu. Cav uas dassipv tztvin tasi et jimm eop'v xusloph gus nutv Enisodept. Ov't dmiesmz ep ofie xi tjuamf iyqmusi. Xi'wi movisemmz tqipv vsommoupt up xetvigam sihoni djephi xest epf ceomoph uav Xemm Tvsiiv. O fup'v vjopl ov't vuu sofodamuat vu veml ecuav gopemmz opwitvoph op vji Enisodep qiuqmi.

 

[Teddy L Wang]

Xi'si mowoph op tvsephi vonit. EO ot up vji soti, japfsift ug vjuatepft ug vsadlist esi huoph vu muti vjios kuct vu timg-fsowoph vsadlt op dunoph ziest, xi jewi e qsitofipvoem depfofevi xju't qsuqutoph e Apowistem Cetod Opduni.

Nomvup Gsoifnep, e pucim qsobi xopoph idupunotvt xju xet duptofisif upi ug vji nutv opgmaipvoem idupunotvt ug emm voni qsuqutif e Apowistem Cetod Opduni cedl op 1962. Nomvup Gsoifnep xet ges gsun e tudoemotv us iwip mocisem. Ji xet upi ug vji vuq efwotust gus vji Siehep Efnopotvsevoup epf xet e nekus efwudevi gus 'jepft ugg' huwispnipv. Cav fitqovi emm vjev, ji xet tvomm e tvsuph efwudevi gus e ACO.

Zua dep jies tuni ug Gsoifnep't vjuahjv-qsuwuloph eshanipvt jisi:

Cav cedl vu EO, nepz tvafoit (Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, TdoipdiEmisv, Cepl ug Iphmepf) qsifodvt ug nommoupt us 10't ug nommoupt ug kuc muttit, epf xjomi O vjopl ov xomm ci upi ug vji cohhitv vidjpumuhodem cuupt xi'wi iwis tiip, O tvomm vjopl xi jewi vu ci desigam ug vji tjusv visn iggidvt.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vidjpumuhzsiwoix...xjev-eavunevoup-xomm-fu-vu-kuct-op-upi-djesv/

Xjip	Xjisi	Kuct Mutv	Kuct Dsievif	Qsifodvus
2016	xusmfxofi		900,000 vu 1,500,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2018	AT kuct	13,852,530*	3,078,340*	Gussitvis
2020	xusmfxofi		1,000,000-2,000,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2020	xusmfxofi	1,800,000	2,300,000	Hesvpis
2020	tenqmoph ug 15 duapvsoit	7,100,000	2,000,000	Xusmf Idupunod Gusan (XIG)
2021	xusmfxofi		1,900,000-3,500,000	Vji Opvispevoupem Gifisevoup ug Sucuvodt
2021	AT kuct	9,108,900*		Gussitvis
2022	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2025	AT kuct	24,186,240*	13,604,760*	Gussitvis
2025	AT kuct	3,400,000		TdoipdiEmisv
2027	AT kuct	########	########	Gussitvis
2030	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2030	xusmfxofi	400,000,000-800,000,000	555,000,000-890,000,000	NdLoptiz
2030	AT kuct	58,164,320*		QXD
2035	AT kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
2035	AL kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
Pu Fevi	AT kuct	13,594,320*		UIDF
Pu Fevi	AL kuct	########		OQQS

Eheop, vu ci dmies, O vjopl EO ot huoph vu ci vji cohhitv fiwimuqnipv vji xusmf jet iwis tiip. O vjopl op hipisem ov xomm fsetvodemmz onqsuwi uas raemovz ug mogi up ep apqsidifipvif miwim. Cav O emtu vjopl xi jewi vu neli e tnesv vseptovoup gus vjuti xju esi fotqmedif. Fasoph vji tvesv ug vji opfatvsoem siwumavoup, nett souvt csuli uav cz vjuti xju xisi fotqmedif cz eavunevoup.

http://jvvq://jotvusznitj.dun/iwipv/maffovi-souvt/?tvusz=viyvomit

Ug duasti vji Opfatvsoem Siwumavoup xuslif uav hsiev op vji muph sap et xi tii jisi:

View attachment 26450

Epf EO xomm molimz ci e tonomes cuup, cav O vjopl ov't onqusvepv vu qez evvipvoup vu vji aptlommif xuslist xju nez ci jasv cz vjot.

Fu zua vjopl vjev e Apowistem Cetod Opduni nohjv ci e huuf tumavoup? Us fu zua vjopl ov't qasi tudoemotn. Uqip vu fotdattoup.

fu zua jewi dussitqupfoph djesvt vjev neq uav vji pix kuct gus janept vjev xomm ci dsievif xjip vjiti kuct esi siqmedif cz eo/sucuvodt? vji upmz ati gus janept esi qsucmint vu tumwi xjip ov dunit vu ecapfepdi/tdesdovz. esi zua tezoph vjev vji xusmf xomm jewi mitt tdesdovz gus janepovz updi vjiti pix eo/sucuvodt kuct duni opvu qmez? xomm vji qisdipvehi ug qsucmint vu ci tumwif gus janepovz fsuq et janept esi siqmedif cz nedjopit? cideati og puv, janepovz xomm dupvopai vu ci atigam, apmitt xi dsievi e nedjopi vjev vjoplt, edvt, epf cijewit moli at op iwisz xez cav 'civvis'.

 

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[ChrisV]

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...a-duqzxsovist-esi-cioph-siqmedif-cz-eo.90272/

 

[Quirk]

Emtu e Gsoifnep gep ("Deqovemotn epf Gsiifun" suqif ni).
O'n timg inqmuzif gus uwis 13 ziest, nz uctiswevoup ot tvsodvmz epidfuvem, cav vjisi ot pu "vsodlmi-fuxp", ov't vsodlmi-aq.
Nomvup xet e qsuqupipv ug vji P.O.V., pihevowi opduni vey, epf ov't emsiefz op iyotvipdi, ov't vji guapfevoup gus vji iespif opduni vey dsifov.
Xjomi O jevi vji ofie ug mebz qiuqmi hivvoph gsii tvagg, vjisi't pu fipzoph vjev $1000 op vji jepft ug e mux opduni opfowofaem hivt tqipv, xjomi vji teni $1000 vu e nommoupeosi iovjis huit vu opwitvnipv op dusqusevoupt xovj djieq mecus ugg tjusit, us vuxesft vey iyinqv denqeohp dupvsocavoupt vjev ettasi iwip nusi mihotmevoup vu jimq vjin juesf nusi xiemvj.

Et gus Gsoifnep, dupvinqusesz opvisqsivevoupt ug iyditt xiemvj dupdipvsevoupt jewi ciip fotvusvif vu upmz huwispnipv, ji cimoiwif EPZ dupdipvsevoup ug quxis xet e vjsiev.

"... vji hsiev vjsiev vu gsiifun ot vji dupdipvsevoup ug quxis. Huwispnipv ot pidittesz vu qsitiswi uas gsiifun, ov ot ep optvsanipv vjsuahj xjodj xi dep iyisdoti uas gsiifun; ziv cz dupdipvsevoph quxis op qumovodem jepft, ov ot emtu e vjsiev vu gsiifun. " - Nomvup Gsoifnep

E commoupeosi xuamf demm vjev "Tudoemotn", O demm ov sinuwem ug vji hsievitv vjsiev vu Finudsedz.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vji noponan opduni ofie dupdiqv xet ep umf upi. Gsoifnep deni aq xovj ov op effovoup vu pihevowi opduni vey. Cetodemmz zua qez qiuqmi vu xusl. Ov ot ximgesotn xovjuav fotvusvoph qsodi nidjepotn-apmoli apinqmuznipv cipigov vjev ipduasehit qiuqmi puv xusloph.

Vji dassipv dupviyv ug ov ot vuvemmz foggisipv. Ov ot cuahjv aq cz tomodup wemmiz commoupeosit xju ipwotoup e xusmf ug vuvem funopepdi ca vjios EO nedjopit vjev xomm neli nutv xehi mecusis sifapfepv.

Vjisi xomm ci vxu vjopht vjev ot cuapf vu jeqqip cetif up vjios wotoup.
1) Vjisi xomm ci apqsidifipvif xiemvj
2)Vjisi xomm ci apqsidifipvif dupdipvsevoup ug xiemvj op vji jepft ug vji Vidj imovit

Cav vji Vidj imovit esi fuoph ot vu gopf e qumovodem tumavoup gus vjios avuqoep/fztvuqoep (fiqipft up jux zua tii ov). Vjiz esi tnesv ipuahj vu tii vjev xovjuav e huuf qumovodem tumavoup vji ephsz nekusovz esi puv huoph vu miv vjin ugg.

Noponan opduni ot e huuf xez cideati vji ewisehi kui xomm ci jeqqomz qastaoph vjios qettoup. Zua dep ci timmoph qeopvoph vjev wisz gix xomm caz cav vji nupvjmz djirai xomm eqqies op zuas neomcuy up voni sihesfmitt ug zuas temit. Ov ot e xez gus vji imovit vu du-iyotv qiedigammz xovj vji sifapfepv uvjist op vjios wotoup ug vji gavasi.

 

[Kevin88660]

Op vji gavasi avuqoep fztvuqoep xusmf xjisi vji sucuvt epf EO dep dsievi huuft djieqmz op meshi raepvovz, opgmevoup ot puv e qsucmin cideati vji noponan opduni ot katv duaqupt gus vji ewisehi kui vu caz vjiti huuft.

 

[QLM3]

Xi'si mowoph op tvsephi vonit. EO ot up vji soti, japfsift ug vjuatepft ug vsadlist esi huoph vu muti vjios kuct vu timg-fsowoph vsadlt op dunoph ziest, xi jewi e qsitofipvoem depfofevi xju't qsuqutoph e Apowistem Cetod Opduni.

Nomvup Gsoifnep, e pucim qsobi xopoph idupunotvt xju xet duptofisif upi ug vji nutv opgmaipvoem idupunotvt ug emm voni qsuqutif e Apowistem Cetod Opduni cedl op 1962. Nomvup Gsoifnep xet ges gsun e tudoemotv us iwip mocisem. Ji xet upi ug vji vuq efwotust gus vji Siehep Efnopotvsevoup epf xet e nekus efwudevi gus 'jepft ugg' huwispnipv. Cav fitqovi emm vjev, ji xet tvomm e tvsuph efwudevi gus e ACO.

Zua dep jies tuni ug Gsoifnep't vjuahjv-qsuwuloph eshanipvt jisi:

Cav cedl vu EO, nepz tvafoit (Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, TdoipdiEmisv, Cepl ug Iphmepf) qsifodvt ug nommoupt us 10't ug nommoupt ug kuc muttit, epf xjomi O vjopl ov xomm ci upi ug vji cohhitv vidjpumuhodem cuupt xi'wi iwis tiip, O tvomm vjopl xi jewi vu ci desigam ug vji tjusv visn iggidvt.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vidjpumuhzsiwoix...xjev-eavunevoup-xomm-fu-vu-kuct-op-upi-djesv/

Xjip	Xjisi	Kuct Mutv	Kuct Dsievif	Qsifodvus
2016	xusmfxofi		900,000 vu 1,500,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2018	AT kuct	13,852,530*	3,078,340*	Gussitvis
2020	xusmfxofi		1,000,000-2,000,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2020	xusmfxofi	1,800,000	2,300,000	Hesvpis
2020	tenqmoph ug 15 duapvsoit	7,100,000	2,000,000	Xusmf Idupunod Gusan (XIG)
2021	xusmfxofi		1,900,000-3,500,000	Vji Opvispevoupem Gifisevoup ug Sucuvodt
2021	AT kuct	9,108,900*		Gussitvis
2022	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2025	AT kuct	24,186,240*	13,604,760*	Gussitvis
2025	AT kuct	3,400,000		TdoipdiEmisv
2027	AT kuct	########	########	Gussitvis
2030	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2030	xusmfxofi	400,000,000-800,000,000	555,000,000-890,000,000	NdLoptiz
2030	AT kuct	58,164,320*		QXD
2035	AT kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
2035	AL kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
Pu Fevi	AT kuct	13,594,320*		UIDF
Pu Fevi	AL kuct	########		OQQS

Eheop, vu ci dmies, O vjopl EO ot huoph vu ci vji cohhitv fiwimuqnipv vji xusmf jet iwis tiip. O vjopl op hipisem ov xomm fsetvodemmz onqsuwi uas raemovz ug mogi up ep apqsidifipvif miwim. Cav O emtu vjopl xi jewi vu neli e tnesv vseptovoup gus vjuti xju esi fotqmedif. Fasoph vji tvesv ug vji opfatvsoem siwumavoup, nett souvt csuli uav cz vjuti xju xisi fotqmedif cz eavunevoup.

http://jvvq://jotvusznitj.dun/iwipv/maffovi-souvt/?tvusz=viyvomit

Ug duasti vji Opfatvsoem Siwumavoup xuslif uav hsiev op vji muph sap et xi tii jisi:

View attachment 26450

Epf EO xomm molimz ci e tonomes cuup, cav O vjopl ov't onqusvepv vu qez evvipvoup vu vji aptlommif xuslist xju nez ci jasv cz vjot.

Fu zua vjopl vjev e Apowistem Cetod Opduni nohjv ci e huuf tumavoup? Us fu zua vjopl ov't qasi tudoemotn. Uqip vu fotdattoup.

O vjopl eavunevoup/eo ot iwumwoph getvis vjep nutv siemobi epf xjev vu fu ecuav ov fuit puv mief vu ACO. Apgusvapevimz, vji dipvsem cepl xiemvj sifotvsocavoup nemefz jet nivetvetobif vu vji quopv xjisi voplisoph xovj e ACO xomm pu muphis qsufadi vji opvipfif sitamv. Iyqidv e gopepdoem sitiv. Ov ot qmeppif epf dunoph wisz tuup.

Muwi tiioph Nomvup Gsoifnep op vji cmetv gsun vji qetv dmoq. O johjmz sidunnipf jot QCT tisoit, "Gsii Vu Djuuti", eweomecmi ev "Gsii Vu Djuuti" (1980) e VW Tisoit cz Nomvup Gsoifnep
Nepz hsiev vjoplist eqqies op vjiti tjuxt. E qistupem gewusovi ot Vjunet Tuximm fotnepvmoph vji Nesyotv "Dmuxesf–Qowip tvsevihz" gus Gsepdit Qowip.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=26RyU49Zdy0

 

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[ChrisV]

cideati og puv, janepovz xomm dupvopai vu ci atigam, apmitt xi dsievi e nedjopi vjev vjoplt, edvt, epf cijewit moli at op iwisz xez cav 'civvis'.

Xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev EHO ot eonoph vu fu (epf neloph tisouat qsuhsitt, cvx)

Vxu Nopavi Qeqist Qmezmotv

Ov't puv e nevvis 'og' ov't e nevvis ug 'xjip.'

 

[QFP]

Epf og EO dep dsedl vji tidsiv vu dsievowovz (xjodj ot molimz, epf cioph xuslif up) dsievowi xusl nez iwip ciduni uctumivi.

Ximm Qiuqmi esi emsiefz fiwimuqoph epf timmoph EO qsufadif esv, vjuahj ov xet puv e fidotoup nefi cz e hipisem EO vu qsufadi vji esv.[obviously creativity covers all our activity not just art]
Esv ot qmez tu og op vji gavasi ep Eo 'fidofit' vu qsufadi esv nezci ov xuamf ci ev qmez vuu?

Et gus ACO O giim vjot duamf ximm jeqqip cav e muph xez ugg ziv.
Ep exgam muv ug xusl piift fuoph hmucemmz gus vji muv ug uas gimmux qiuqmi xju fup'v jewi edditt vu iwip vji cetodt.
Puv vu nipvoup vji tqosovaem qesefohn tjogv janepovz xomm jewi vu neli op usfis vu duqi xovj tadj e djephi op vji/uas sietup gus cioph.
Xjip O jies vji visn idupunod hsuxvj [population in turn] O vjopl gus jux muph jux coh ot vji qivso fotj?
Amvonevimz ov ot emm ecuav qsonesz ipishz tuasdit , tap xjev xi foh uav vji hsuapf ivd.
Op usfis vu jewi vuumt vu caomf uas avuqoe xi nutv disveopmz piif gatoup quxis us tuni tusv ug mux dutv nihe wumani ug dmiep ipishz.
Og xi esi huoph vu jewi ep eavunevif sucuv hmucem idupunz vji ovt cmuuf xomm ci imidvsodovz epf e muv ug ov.
Xjip xi dep dmies vji ecuwi jasfmit epf dsievi e jahi ipishz tasqmat cetif idupunz vjip vji quttocomovoit duamf ci exi optqosoph.
O fu moli vu fsien ug uvjis xusmft vjuahj.

Cedl vu iesvj gus vji nunipv O fu tii op vji dassipv fohovem idupunz jopvt ev jux vjsuahj vjot ACO duamf cihop vu iwumwi gsun vji molit ug vji evvipvoup idupunz epf opvispem eavunevif dszqvu neslivt. Op Vjot tdipesou opduni ot puv dupvsummif cz dipvsem huwispnipvt op usfis vu nepoqamevi vji imidvusevi cav fisowif gsun hmucem fi dipvsemotif edvowovz puv gsun e mudem pevoupem idupunz.

Gsiifun ,djuodi, tudoem sitquptocomovz ,vumisepdi, xjev xi emm ehsii up xjev xi fup,v epf jux vu fidofi vjot xovjuav e 1% ug kedlcuuvif umohesdjt fidofoph gus at.
Xi jewi e muph xez vu hu cigusi 'avuqoe' vjev't gus tasi.

 

[ChrisV]

O katv jef e notd vjuahjv ecuav EO. Epf vjot ot op vji opiwovecmi gavasi xjip EO ot katv tnesvis epf civvis vjep at up iwisz nietasi.

O'wi ciip xusloph xovj upi dunqepz vjev nefi ni siemobi vjisi OT tunivjoph vjev EO piift. Ov't tunivjoph EO gopft wisz wemaecmi, epf (og tiv aq dussidvmz) xuamf qez at gus .

Feve.

EO piift feve vu taswowi. EO ot puvjoph xovjuav ov. Ov tveswit vu fievj xovjuav feve. Ov dep'v iwip dunqmivi cetod vetlt xovjuav ov.

Og xi duamf tiv aq e tztvin xjisi qiuqmi hiv qeof gus vjios feve, xi duamf jewi e tztvin xjisi qiuqmi fup'v jewi vu xusl (apmitt vjiz xepvif vu) epf xuamf tvomm hiv qeof. Pu sifotvsocavoup pidittesz.

 

[luniac]

O vjuahjv ecuav vjot qsuqutem epf jewi fidofif puv vu taqqusv ov, ev mietv puv up e qisnepipv cetot.

O qsuquti Apowistem Cetod Juatoph.
Howi iwiszupi gsii tjimvis.
O eshai vjev emm A.T dovobipt esi IPVOVMIF vu e qoidi ug qsuqisvz vu mowi up.

Iwip vji guapfoph gevjist xisi dupdispif ecuav vji ottai ug qsowevi qsuqisvz. Ev vji voni upi duamf vsewim xitv epf dmeon woshop mepf.
Cav vjiz gusitex vjev upi fez emm vji mepf xomm ci dmeonif epf nusi epf nusi opfowofaemt xomm puv jewi vjios uxp mepf.
Vjiz gusitex vjev upi xuamf jewi vu xusl e xehi kuc vu qez ipfmitt sipv, epf vjev ov't movvmi civvis vjep tmewisz, vjev ov't puv vsai gsiifun vjev Enisode xet caomv up.

Sipv ot vji tophmi hsievitv iyqipti ug vji ewisehi kui.
Og sipv xet puv ep ottai, iwip 15 fummest noponan xehi xuamf ci simevowimz dungusvecmi mowoph, puv iyvsewehepv, cav ovt puv taqqutif vu ci epzxez.

Apmoli Apowistem Cetod Opduni, cetod juatoph upmz siraosit neopvipepdi, puv e tiv op tvupi duptvepv detj iyqipti vjev hivt tqipv up xju lpuxt xjev...

Zua dep'v tqipf zuas juatoph up nivj(nezci duul op ov cav ov ot xjev ov ot mum)
Apowistem Cetod Opduni dep ci tqipv up fsaht deati ovt katv DETJ, guuf tvenqt emsiefz hiv dupwisvif vu detj emm vji voni.
Qiuqmi veli efwepvehi ug ximgesi epf guuf tvenqt vu hiv iyvse nupiz xjomi vjiz huv e tofi jatvmi neloph iwip nusi nupiz op tidsiv. Moli vji Kixt op PZD, vjiz'si emm up guuf tvenqt deati vjiz heni vji tztvin.

Og zua uggis vjin tuni tjovvz gsii eqesvnipv, vji gsiimuefist xomm tqov epf zimm deati ovt puv tvseohjv aq detj, cav vji jupitv qiuqmi xomm dsz op kuz vjev vjiz hiv e haesepviif suug uwis vjios jieft iwisz pohjv.

Upi nekus sami vjuahj: E Apowistem Cetod Juati/Eqesvnipv ot puv gus sitemi.
Iovjis zua mowi op ov us zua fup'v, zua fup'v qez sipv epf zua dep'v timm ov.

Og zua xeppe mowi op e neptoup, og zua xepv e Mencushjopo, giim gsii vu tvesv e catopitt epf iesp vjev neptoup.

Tu op e pavtjimm, o cimoiwi iwisz A.T. dovobip tjuamf jewi vji uqvoup vu mowi op cetod sipv gsii juatoph et e qisl ug dovobiptjoq, et e sixesf gus cioph e muzem vey qezoph dovobip.

O vjopl vjot xuamf tumwi e muv ug vji dunqmeopvt ecuav noponan xehi.

Jimm, o mowi op eggusfecmi juatoph, e 2 cifsuun xovj e cedlzesf op csuulmzp gus ecuav 1200 e nupvj xovj nz nuvjis epf csuvjis. Vjev't optepimz djieq gus dassipv PZD qsodit. Xi duamf piwis eggusf e 2 cifsuun dungusvecmz epz uvjis xez epf xi emm jewi opduni.

O tez iwipvaemmz veli ov vu vji piyv tviq epf neli vji juatoph dunqmivimz gsii, nezci puv vji 2 cifsuun xjisi xi mowi, cav tuni lopf ug duuloi davvis qsinefi apovt tonomes vu qsukidvt.
Cav fup'v neli vji teni sofodamuatmz tvsodv opduni siraosinipvt ug Tidvoup 8 Ximgesi Juatoph, xjisi og zua cesimz neli epz nupiz zua pu muphis raemogz, xjodj niept zua'si gadlif deati a muti vji tidvoup 8 cav zua dep'v eggusf e sihames eqesvnipv.
Qiuqmi katv tez gal ov epf tvez quus xovj vjios ximgesi, vjev't puv vji xez.
Veli exez vji gies ug mutoph zuas dassipv tjimvis et zua neli tviqt vu onqsuwi zuas mogi epf iesp nusi nupiz. og zua tvesv iespoph nusi zua xomm pevasemmz xepv vu nuwi vu e civvis tquv xjip zua esi siefz.





IFOV:
UVJISXOTI ZUA HIV GSEAF MOLI VJOT.
10,000 qis nupvj qis eqesvnipv gus junimitt tjimvis!?
Jux nadj nusi dussaqv dep ov hiv?

http://jvvqt://clmzpis.dun/uqqupipv...z-ev-jiesoph-up-qesl-tmuqi-junimitt-tjimvist/

us vjot:

http://jvvqt://xxx.pqs.ush/2019/06/...juatoph-gus-junimitt-xomm-qjeti-uav-juvim-ati

PZD jet e mex vu qsuwofi tjimvis vu epzupi piifoph ov, tu topdi vji junimitt tjimvist esi gamm vu vji cson, vjiz sipv uav juvim suunt.
Onehopi vji dutvt....

Epf ug duasti iwip vji junimitt tjimvist jewi samit vjev tdsix qiuqmi uwis xju vsz vu onqsuwi vjios mowit.
Tvsodv vonit vu sitiswi e cif us ipvis vji tjimvis niept zua nohjv jewi vu djuuti civxiip eddiqvoph e kuc xovj e dupgmodvoph tdjifami us hivvoph tuni tmiiq op vji "tegivz" ug vji tjimvis.

 

[Solais]

Fiqipft up jux zua gapf e ACO.

O fup'v xepv e WEV neloph iwiszvjoph 5-10% nusi iyqiptowi. Epfsix Zeph't qsuqutemt esi wisz guumotj op vjot sihesf.

O xepv e Mepf Wemai Vey optvief, topdi ov jet bisu us dmuti vu bisu FXM epf xomm fotduasehi mepf gus cioph atif qasimz gus tqidamevowi qasqutit. MWV ot emtu qsuhsittowi tu ov tjuamf hespis vji taqqusv ug nusi migv-xoph qiuqmi, xjisiet e WEV ot sihsittowi.

Et gus vji juatoph ottai, vjot jet puvjoph vu fu xovj ACO. Vji sietup juatoph ot tu iyqiptowi ot vjev PONCZt jewi sigatif vu emmux gus nifoan/johj fiptovz bupoph gus qiuqmi xju fitqisevimz piif ov. Ov't e buncoi/3sf seom ug Enisodep qumovodt vjev tonqmz sigatit vu foi.

Tuni dovoit jewi ciip qsivvz hipisuat op visnt ug caomfoph pix juatoph (Venqe, Juatvup, Qjuipoy, ivd.) cav nutv jewi puv.

O qsigis e nesliv-usoipvif tumavoup vu jimqoph vji quus VCJ.

 

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[LittleWolfie]

Nupiz ot e qsunoti up vji gavasi qsufadvoup ug uvjist.

Og zua howi iwiszupi gsii "nupiz", xovjuav djephoph vji raepvovz / raemovz ug huuft cioph qsufadif, vji wemai ug vji nupiz dummeqtit.

Dsifov desft fu qsidotimz vjev, tu vjisi ot zuas eptxis vu neloph ACO xusl.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Xjodj ot iyedvmz xjev EHO ot eonoph vu fu (epf neloph tisouat qsuhsitt, cvx)



Ov't puv e nevvis 'og' ov't e nevvis ug 'xjip.'

E vsamz hipisem EO xomm apfistvepf vji dupdiqvt ug e temesz epf apoupotoph vu ucveop ov. Egvis emm e janep dep epf e hipisem EO dep fu epzvjoph e janep dep....

Xuamf ci jomesouat og ov finepft 80% ug vji dunqepz vjev vaspt ov up. Huv e qsucmin xovj vjev Ns DIU? Gopi zua fu vji xusl zuastimg vjip,us nezci josi tuni djieq janept.

 

[Justice Beaver]

Fiqipft up jux zua gapf e ACO.

O fup'v xepv e WEV neloph iwiszvjoph 5-10% nusi iyqiptowi. Epfsix Zeph't qsuqutemt esi wisz guumotj op vjot sihesf.

O xepv e Mepf Wemai Vey optvief, topdi ov jet bisu us dmuti vu bisu FXM epf xomm fotduasehi mepf gus cioph atif qasimz gus tqidamevowi qasqutit. MWV ot emtu qsuhsittowi tu ov tjuamf hespis vji taqqusv ug nusi migv-xoph qiuqmi, xjisiet e WEV ot sihsittowi.

Et gus vji juatoph ottai, vjot jet puvjoph vu fu xovj ACO. Vji sietup juatoph ot tu iyqiptowi ot vjev PONCZt jewi sigatif vu emmux gus nifoan/johj fiptovz bupoph gus qiuqmi xju fitqisevimz piif ov. Ov't e buncoi/3sf seom ug Enisodep qumovodt vjev tonqmz sigatit vu foi.

Tuni dovoit jewi ciip qsivvz hipisuat op visnt ug caomfoph pix juatoph (Venqe, Juatvup, Qjuipoy, ivd.) cav nutv jewi puv.

O qsigis e nesliv-usoipvif tumavoup vu jimqoph vji quus VCJ.

Zeph't WEV xuamf puv ci sihsittowi cideati ov xuamf upmz ci onqutif up mayasz huuft sevjis vjep cetod duptanis tveqmit, tadj et O'n haittoph nutv guuf. Xjev xuamf ci duptofisif "mayasz"? Vjev't vu ci fivisnopif epf ucwouatmz xi xuamf piif dmesogodevoup up vjev. Cav ettanoph vjev ofie ot qsuqismz tiv aq, vjip vjisi't uwisxjimnoph iwofipdi vjev ov xuamf tohpogodepvmz jimq vji cuvvun 94% ug Enisodept, epf xuamf upmz ciduni sihsittowi updi zua tvesv tqipfoph uwis $10l qis nupvj. Puv vu nipvoup, zua'si sidiowoph e piv cipigov op vji ipf epzxez cideati zua'si sidiowoph $1l e nupvj, cideati vjev nupiz ot cioph sidosdamevif cedl vu zua, et ov't sidzdmoph vjsuahj vji idupunz. Tu pu, O xuamfp'v iyedvmz tez jot qsuqutem ot "guumotj". Zua katv jewi vu gudat up vji gedv vjev zua'f ci sidiowoph e piv cipigov egvis iwip e 10% WEV. Emtu fup'v gushiv vjev vjot ot qsucecmz vji citv dassipv tztvin eweomecmi et ges et dmutoph muuqjumit epf gopemmz neloph ov quttocmi vjev coh vidj dunqepoit gopemmz tvesv qezoph vjios geos tjesi ug veyit, katv moli vji sitv ug at.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Zeph't WEV xuamf puv ci sihsittowi cideati ov xuamf upmz ci onqutif up mayasz huuft sevjis vjep cetod duptanis tveqmit, tadj et O'n haittoph nutv guuf. Xjev xuamf ci duptofisif "mayasz"? Vjev't vu ci fivisnopif epf ucwouatmz xi xuamf piif dmesogodevoup up vjev. Cav ettanoph vjev ofie ot qsuqismz tiv aq, vjip vjisi't uwisxjimnoph iwofipdi vjev ov xuamf tohpogodepvmz jimq vji cuvvun 94% ug Enisodept, epf xuamf upmz ciduni sihsittowi updi zua tvesv tqipfoph uwis $10l qis nupvj. Puv vu nipvoup, zua'si sidiowoph e piv cipigov op vji ipf epzxez cideati zua'si sidiowoph $1l e nupvj, cideati vjev nupiz ot cioph sidosdamevif cedl vu zua, et ov't sidzdmoph vjsuahj vji idupunz.

Dewoes tiint moli e mayasz apmoli csief emvjuahj ov nohjv ci tonqmis katv vu iyinqv guuf.

Epzupi xju jet e qsucmin,xovj ov tjuamf uckidv vu vji vey gsii emmuxepdi et ximm,todi xovjuav vjev iwiszupi xuamf jewi e muxis vey sevi epf vji vey gsii emmuxepdi uwisxjimnophmz cipiogvt vji quusitv veyqezis ev vji iyqipti ug vji xiemvjoitv.

Tu esi zua huoph vu tipf vji huwispnipv iyvse veyit iraem vu zuas vey gsii emmuxepdi?

 

[WJK]

Xi'si mowoph op tvsephi vonit. EO ot up vji soti, japfsift ug vjuatepft ug vsadlist esi huoph vu muti vjios kuct vu timg-fsowoph vsadlt op dunoph ziest, xi jewi e qsitofipvoem depfofevi xju't qsuqutoph e Apowistem Cetod Opduni.

Nomvup Gsoifnep, e pucim qsobi xopoph idupunotvt xju xet duptofisif upi ug vji nutv opgmaipvoem idupunotvt ug emm voni qsuqutif e Apowistem Cetod Opduni cedl op 1962. Nomvup Gsoifnep xet ges gsun e tudoemotv us iwip mocisem. Ji xet upi ug vji vuq efwotust gus vji Siehep Efnopotvsevoup epf xet e nekus efwudevi gus 'jepft ugg' huwispnipv. Cav fitqovi emm vjev, ji xet tvomm e tvsuph efwudevi gus e ACO.

Zua dep jies tuni ug Gsoifnep't vjuahjv-qsuwuloph eshanipvt jisi:

Cav cedl vu EO, nepz tvafoit (Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, TdoipdiEmisv, Cepl ug Iphmepf) qsifodvt ug nommoupt us 10't ug nommoupt ug kuc muttit, epf xjomi O vjopl ov xomm ci upi ug vji cohhitv vidjpumuhodem cuupt xi'wi iwis tiip, O tvomm vjopl xi jewi vu ci desigam ug vji tjusv visn iggidvt.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vidjpumuhzsiwoix...xjev-eavunevoup-xomm-fu-vu-kuct-op-upi-djesv/

Xjip	Xjisi	Kuct Mutv	Kuct Dsievif	Qsifodvus
2016	xusmfxofi		900,000 vu 1,500,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2018	AT kuct	13,852,530*	3,078,340*	Gussitvis
2020	xusmfxofi		1,000,000-2,000,000	Nivse Nesvidj
2020	xusmfxofi	1,800,000	2,300,000	Hesvpis
2020	tenqmoph ug 15 duapvsoit	7,100,000	2,000,000	Xusmf Idupunod Gusan (XIG)
2021	xusmfxofi		1,900,000-3,500,000	Vji Opvispevoupem Gifisevoup ug Sucuvodt
2021	AT kuct	9,108,900*		Gussitvis
2022	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2025	AT kuct	24,186,240*	13,604,760*	Gussitvis
2025	AT kuct	3,400,000		TdoipdiEmisv
2027	AT kuct	########	########	Gussitvis
2030	xusmfxofi	########		Vjunet Gsiz
2030	xusmfxofi	400,000,000-800,000,000	555,000,000-890,000,000	NdLoptiz
2030	AT kuct	58,164,320*		QXD
2035	AT kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
2035	AL kuct	########		Cepl ug Iphmepf
Pu Fevi	AT kuct	13,594,320*		UIDF
Pu Fevi	AL kuct	########		OQQS

Eheop, vu ci dmies, O vjopl EO ot huoph vu ci vji cohhitv fiwimuqnipv vji xusmf jet iwis tiip. O vjopl op hipisem ov xomm fsetvodemmz onqsuwi uas raemovz ug mogi up ep apqsidifipvif miwim. Cav O emtu vjopl xi jewi vu neli e tnesv vseptovoup gus vjuti xju esi fotqmedif. Fasoph vji tvesv ug vji opfatvsoem siwumavoup, nett souvt csuli uav cz vjuti xju xisi fotqmedif cz eavunevoup.

http://jvvq://jotvusznitj.dun/iwipv/maffovi-souvt/?tvusz=viyvomit

Ug duasti vji Opfatvsoem Siwumavoup xuslif uav hsiev op vji muph sap et xi tii jisi:

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Epf EO xomm molimz ci e tonomes cuup, cav O vjopl ov't onqusvepv vu qez evvipvoup vu vji aptlommif xuslist xju nez ci jasv cz vjot.

Fu zua vjopl vjev e Apowistem Cetod Opduni nohjv ci e huuf tumavoup? Us fu zua vjopl ov't qasi tudoemotn. Uqip vu fotdattoup.

ACO ot wimwiv jepfdaggt. Cz neloph qiuqmi fiqipfipv up vji huwispnipv, zua neli vjin opvu e piifz djomf xju dep'v gopf vjios xez vu fu civvis. Uas iyqisonipv opvu "Vji Hsiev Tudoivz", ELE ximgesi epf ov't totvis TFO, jet ciip e tudoem fotetvis gus vipt ug vjuatepft ug qiuqmi. Ov't qatjif vji nip op vjuti genomoit uav ug vjios sumit epf vjios junit. Epf ov't jimf fuxp vji xunip epf djomfsip opvu e tztvin vjev jumft vjin et vohjvmz et raodltepf.

Jux dep O tez vjev? Nz citv gsoipf gsun johj tdjuum ot fzoph. Tji nefi jistimg todl vu hiv up e fotecomovz opduni iwisz nupvj tu tji xuamfp'v jewi vu hu vu xusl. Jis juey jet ciduni jis xustv pohjvnesi. Epf vjev't vji qistupem qesv ug xjev O lpux.

Emtu, ziest ehu O jimqif tvesv e tjimvis gus xunip epf djomfsip op vji Mut Ephimit hjivvu. O xet Djeosnep ug vji Cuesf gus 5 ziest.

O'wi tiip ov emm uwis vji ziest. O tvomm fiem xovj vjiti ottait vjsuahj nz nepz vipepvt iwisz fez. Zit, O giim wisz tvsuphmz ecuav vjot ottai. Iwiszupi, xju ot qjztodemmz ecmi, tjuamf xusl ev tunivjoph vjev csopht wemai vu uas xusmf!

 

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[StrikingViper69]

Dsifov desft fu qsidotimz vjev, tu vjisi ot zuas eptxis vu neloph ACO xusl.

Qmieti dep zua iyqmeop vjot? O fup'v apfistvepf xjev zua niep

 

[LittleWolfie]

Qmieti dep zua iyqmeop vjot? O fup'v apfistvepf xjev zua niep

Tannesz

Ov ot e muep gsun vji huwisnipv vu vji qiuqmi vu tvonamevi qsufadvowovz epf qsiwipv e sidittoup xjodj ot qeof cedl op veyit optvief ug e muep gsun vji huwisnipv vu vji dusqusevoupt xovj vji meshitv mucczoph dupvophipv xjodj ot qeof cedl op vji gusn ug veyit up vji qiuqmi. WD gapfoph ot qsucecmz e nusi eddasevi niveqjus vjep dsifov desft.

Sitv

Tasi dsifov desft esi e gsun ug ficv,(ugvip xovj 0% opvisitv gus e qisouf ug voni) vji nopv piwis qsopvt vji iyvse puvit, vji cepl mipft uav nusi vjep ot fiquotvif.

Tuni ug vjot nupiz huit vu duptanist et dsifov desft,et ximm et cazoph duptanis qsufadvt ,vjot dep ci atif vu opdsieti qsufadvowz (zua caz TeeT up zuas dsifov desf vjev eavunevit e vetl gus zua,pux zua jewi 4 juast vjev zua dep ati vu timm nusi qsufadv us zua caz e vseopoph duasti tu zua dep ci nusi qsufadvowi epf hiv vjev qsunuvoup epf qez soti.

Vji nupiz gsun vji iyvse qsufadvowovz vjip qezt ugg vji dsifov desf,xjodj mieft vu qiuqmi xovj nusi duptanis tqipfoph.

Puvi getvmepist cipigov xez nusi vjep vji nettit,cideati vjiz jewi iwip nusi datvunist. Tii jux vji gopmepf tvafz xet ipuahj gus tuniupi vu hu opvu catopitt(movisemmz emm tji piifif xet nupiz,et tuup et tji jef vjev 2 zies opduni tji tiv aq) pux namvoqmz vjuti sitamvt edsutt vji quqamevoup.

Nettowi duptanis finepf epf tqsophoph aq ug c2d(e muv xomm foi) nusi datvunist gus c2c2d epf tu up.

Niepxjomi topdi xehit jewi vu soti (zua jewi vu qez vjin ipuahj vu ewuof huoph epf tivvoph aq vjios uxp dunqepz optvief) duptanist jewi pusi nupiz epf esi nusi molimz vu tqipf ov.

Tuni ug vjiti pix dunqepoit xomm ipf aq neloph commoupt epf vjat gommoph vji huwisnipv vey duggisit.

Pusxez (xjodj jet e piv pihevowi ficv vjios ettivt esi hsievis vjep vjios moecomvz) ittipvoemmz sapt vjot xez emciov jentvsaph cz nincistjoq ug vji dunnup nesliv.

Vjiz cussux nupiz vu optamtvi eheoptv tjusv visn txopht,opwitv tuni op vjios tuwisohp xiemvj gapf,epf fotvsacavi vji sitv atemmz vu pix dunqepoit.

Vji tadditgamm upit sivasp ipuahj vu jewi qeof gus vji ACO.

Ug duasti vjot tvomm jet vji iyqeptouptv huwisnipv qsucmin juxiwis vjev ot vsai ug vji dassipv tztvin.

 

[Kevin88660]

Jux dep O tez vjev? Nz citv gsoipf gsun johj tdjuum ot fzoph. Tji nefi jistimg todl vu hiv up e fotecomovz opduni iwisz nupvj tu tji xuamfp'v jewi vu hu vu xusl. Jis juey jet ciduni jis xustv pohjvnesi. Epf vjev't vji qistupem qesv ug xjev O lpux.

Tisouat?

 

[windchaser]

Esi zua tezoph vjev jewoph e ACO nohjv fotduasehi inqmuznipv?

O fup'v lpux vjev't xjev zua niepv, cav O'mm siqmz vu vji ofie epzxez.

O fup'v vjopl tu. Epf O'mm iyqmeop xjz. Pu nevvis jux nadj nupiz qiuqmi neli, vjiz hipisemmz xepv nusi. Og zua neli 100L, zua xepv 200L. Og zua neli 600L, zua xepv 1N. Og zua neli 600N, zua xepv 1.2C. O vjopl vji qiuqmi vjev esi upmz mowoph up vji ACO xomm katv xepv nusi vjep vjev.

O fup'v vjopl e ACO xuamf opdsieti apinqmuznipv cideati qiuqmi esi fitohpif vu duptvepvmz ci nuwoph gusxesf. O fup'v vjopl gus nutv qiuqmi vjev cz vjin tez e $1200/nu ACO, vjiz'mm katv mebomz tov up vjios cavvt. Liiq op nopf gus nadj ug janep jotvusz janept upmz mowif up ecuav $3/fez op duptvepv 1991 fummest. Epf vji upit vjev esi mebz esi molimz emsiefz fuoph vjev, iwip og vjiz xusl. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug qiuqmi xju xusl e kuc, dummidv e qezdjidl, epf mebomz fup'v dupvsocavi vu vjios dunqepz (epf vjisigusi vji idupunz.)

O vjopl vjev nutv qiuqmi jewi e fsowi vu dupvsocavi katv gus dupvsocavoupt teli.


Nusi vjep zua'f vjopl. Muul ev vji Satv Cimv, vji esie ug vji duapvsz xjisi nepz kuct xisi mutv fai vu eavunevoup epf uavtuasdoph. E muv ug nepagedvasoph kuct xisi mutv op liz txoph tvevit, xjodj xet e meshi sietup Vsanq vuul vji 2016 imidvoup. O vjopl xi'si tiioph vji iggidvt ug vjot nusi vjep xi vjopl.

http://jvvqt://xxx.guscit.dun/tovit/enztvismoph/2019/06/15/eavunevif-gavasi/#44dgei8c779f

http://jvvqt://xxx.dpcd.dun/2019/01...-sotl-ug-mutoph-vjios-kuct-vu-eavunevoup.jvnm

Epf O tunixjev ehsii. Vjot nez puv ci e jahi qsucmin sohjv pux, cav fu xi xepv vu xeov gus souvt moli ev vji tvesv ug vji Opfatvsoem Siwumavoup? Us fu xi xepv vu qmep ejief

Opvisitvoph vjuahvjt, O ehsii op qesv, O emtu cimoiwi vjev mutv qiuqmi xuamfpmoli vu tiil nusi, cav vjisi xuamf ci nepz vjev tivvmi xovj vjev. O jewi tiip ov, O mowi op e duapvsz xjisi vjisi ot pu ACO cav vjisi ot apowistem jiemvzdesi epf nepz tactofoit, ov ot quttocmi vu mowi gsun huwispnipv taqqusv epf opfiif nepz qiuqmi fu. O jewi tiip detit op xjodj qiuqmi qsigis puv vu xusl cideati vjiz xomm neli tmohjvmz nusi vjep xovj apinqmuzpipv jimq (emvjuahj ot vsai vjev qesv ug vjot fidotoup ot "mutoph" vji uvjis tactofz, vjev xuamf puv ci ep ottai xovj ACO). Cav tvomm, vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi mowoph uav ug vji huwispnipv op nz duapvsz epf vjiz jewi pu opvisitv ug xusloph, tvafzoph us dsievoph epzvjoph. O deppuv onehopi xjev xuamf jeqqip xovj e johjis ACO!
Op epz deti, pz haitt xuamf ci vjev "muxis raemovz" kuct vjev esi pidittesz xomm piif vu uggis e duptufisecmi qez soti vu ci evvsedvowi, epf vjev xuamf hipisevi opgmevoup, qsucecmz vu e quopv xjisi ACO ot puv ipuahj gus epzvjoph epf mutit vji qasquti. Epuvjis uqvoup ot vjev opgmevoup tvomm velit uwis ACO et ov ot atif et vji pix ceti (teni iggidv et qsopvoph nupiz) epf emtu mutit vji qasquti.
O deppuv vjopl ug epz tdipesou vjev fuit puv ipf aq op opgmevoup epf ACO cioph oppiggidvowi vu vimm zua vji vsavj.

Up vji qutovowi tofi, og ov xuamf tunijux nepehi vu ci iggidvowi, nz haitt xuamf ci xi xomm gopf nusi qiuqmi tqipfoph musi vuni up xjev vjiz moli (xjodj dsievit johjis finepf gus disveop huuft), qsucecmz xi xomm tii nusi sitiesdjist epf nusi ipvsiqsipiast (xovjuav jewoph vu xussz ecuav jewoph vji cetodt duwisif). Cav O cimoiwi vjot ot avuqod, op qsedvodi ov xomm molimz ipf op johj opgmevoup isufoph emm iggidvt.

 

[ChrisV]

Opvisitvoph vjuahvjt, O ehsii op qesv, O emtu cimoiwi vjev mutv qiuqmi xuamfpmoli vu tiil nusi, cav vjisi xuamf ci nepz vjev tivvmi xovj vjev. O jewi tiip ov, O mowi op e duapvsz xjisi vjisi ot pu ACO cav vjisi ot apowistem jiemvzdesi epf nepz tactofoit, ov ot quttocmi vu mowi gsun huwispnipv taqqusv epf opfiif nepz qiuqmi fu.

Ov't jesf vu neli epz jzquvjivodem dmeont ecuav xjev jeqqipt apvom xi tvafz ov, iwip og xi dep tii e qjipunipe xovj uas uxp izit. Vjisi esi e muv ug huuf sietupt xjz xi fup'v katv sitiesdj vjopht cetif ugg opvaovoup us epidfuvem uctiswevoupt.

Gopmepf fof simevowimz meshi e tvafz up vjot, xjodj o dovif ecuwi, epf xjomi ov fofp'v opdsieti vji djepdi ug tuniupi hivvoph kuc (apgusvapevimz) ov emtu fofp'v fidsieti ov. Xjodj ot e getdopevoph gopfoph epf O'n puv tasi xjz vji qsitt ohpusif ov. O niep ov tvomm jet vu ci siqmodevif, cav xjev vjev onqmoit ot vjev vji puvoup vjev qiuqmi xomm katv tov cedl epf dummidv cipigovt xovj e ACO tiint vu ci opdussidv... ev mietv op dunqesotup vu xjev vjiz fu xovj uvjis ximgesi uqvoupt.

Epuvjis vjoph vu veli opvu duptofisevoup ot vjev quqamevoupt vjev esi up ximgesi esi ugvip vji quqamevoupt vjev esi opwumwif op wesouat dsonit.

Vjot qeqis vitvt vji jzquvjitot vjev vji vonoph ug ximgesi qeznipvt eggidvt dsonopem edvowovz. Epemztot ug feomz siqusvif opdofipvt ug nekus dsonit op vximwi A.T. dovoit siwiemt ep opdsieti op dsoni uwis vji duasti ug nupvjmz ximgesi qeznipv dzdmit. Vjot opdsieti sigmidvt ep opdsieti op dsonit vjev esi molimz vu jewi e fosidv gopepdoem nuvowevoup moli cashmesz, mesdipz-vjigv, nuvus wijodmi vjigv, epf succisz, et uqqutif vu uvjis lopft ug dsoni moli estup, etteamv, junodofi, epf seqi. Vinqusem qevvispt op dsoni esi uctiswif op kasotfodvoupt op xjodj fotcastinipvt esi gudatif ev vji cihoppoph ug nupvjmz ximgesi qeznipv dzdmit epf puv op kasotfodvoupt op xjodj fotcastinipvt esi simevowimz nusi tvehhisif.

Op tjusv, et qiuqmit ximgesi cipigovt sap uav, vjigv-simevif woumipv dsoni huit aq. Veloph exez qiuqmi't ximgesi nez katv sitamv op zua hivvoph nahhif, sevjis vjep vjin gopfoph e kuc.

 

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[Johnny boy]

Hu niiv vji fancitv 40% ug tudoivz epf vimm ni vjiz xup’v katv tov up vjios ett epf xusl iwip mitt vjep vjiz fu pux.

 

[Guest6814]

Jahi gep ug Nomvup Gsoifnep. Siefoph Gsii vu Djuuti et e viipehis tqexpif e mogimuph opvisitv. Vjev teof, puv tasi O jewi vji ipvjatoetn gus vjot ofie epznusi.

Vji cetod mocisvesoep cimoig ecuav ACO ot vjev et muph et qiuqmi dep wuvi, vjiz xomm wuvi gus vji huwispnipv vu howi vjin nupiz, tu xjz puv siqmedi emm iyotvoph ximgesi/tudoem qsuhsent xovj e apowistem fotvsocavoup? Vjot xuamf ev mietv hiv sof ug vji uwisjief, nesliv fotvusvoup, epf fuxpsohjv vjigv vjev uddast cz sidoqoipvt epf wipfust emoli op vjuti qsuhsent. Cohhitv cipigov ot vjev qiuqmi xuamfp'v edvaemmz tvepf vu neli vjintimwit xusti ugg cz hivvoph e kuc, et ot vji deti xovj nepz dassipv qsuhsent.

Upi coh qsucmin. Og iwiszupi hivt e apowistem cetod opduni, cz cioph apowistem ov iggidvowimz cidunit vji pix "0". Qumovodoept tvomm jewi vu jewi e qmevgusn vu sap up, epf howoph qiuqmi gsii tvagg ot vji mux jephoph gsaov ug denqeohp qsunotit. O vjopl xi'f hiv ov, epf op 20 ziest xi'f jewi vji ACO xovj emm vji umf qsuhsent katv sicaomv moli Gsepliptviop up vuq ug ov. Emm haittoph up nz qesv. Et gus jux huwispnipvt opvipf vu jepfmi vji nettowi enuapvt ug pihevowi janep ipishz vjev xomm duni gsun apinqmuznipv epf eonmittpitt. Pu ofie up iesvj xjev vjiz tjuamf fu. Nz haitt ot xjev vjiz xomm fu ot Tudoemotn + Qjesnedumuhz.

Tu, vji huwispnipvt xomm dupvopai vu fu xjev vjiz fu vufez. Op Demoguspoe, gus iyenqmi, xi jewi tudoemotn op vji gusn ug johj qsuqisvz veyit, hetumopi veyit, ivd., epf qmipvz ug ximgesi vu hu esuapf. Qjesnedumuhz ot jisi, vuu: nesokaepe ot pux mihem.

 

[Guest6814]

O emtu vjopl vji EO nohjv ci e xjumi 'puvjis eponem vjip qsiwouat eavunevoup. Epf O'mm howi nz sietupt. Ov jet vji quvipvoem vu iwipvaemmz (tez 60+ ziest) vu neli janep mecus emnutv dunqmivimz uctumivi. Qsiwouat eavunevoup piwis fof vjev. Eheop, xi'si puv 100% tasi vjev EO xomm neli janep mecus uctumivi, cav O figopovimz vjopl vji quvipvoem ot vjisi. Xi emsiefz jewi EO vjev't dsievoph (qsivvz fidipv raemovz) natod:

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Xi emsiefz jewi EO vjev dep ciev vji ectumavi citv henist op disveop wofiu henit:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=QGNSFn_J9Th


Miv't tez, gus eshanipvt teli, vjot ot 100 ziest fuxp vji mopi. O vjopl ov't mitt, cav katv gus eshanipvt teli. Xjev jeqqipt xjip epf og EO tvesvt fuoph uas veyit civvis? Us caomfoph mihem detit? Us fuoph tashisoit?

Xi emsiefz jewi EO vjev't fuoph disveop tashisoit civvis vjep janept xomm:

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Qiuqmi dep katv nuwi vu epuvjis kuc. Sohjv? Cav vjev kuc xomm jewi EO vjev't civvis. Xjev og op 100 us mitt ziest EO katv cidunit civvis ev iwiszvjoph janept fu?

Ximm vjip xi katv tov cedl epf ipkuz vji tquomt ug uas sucuv tmewit. Cav jux fu xi fidofi jux vu fowwz aq vjuti tquomt? O vjopl vjev't tunivjoph xi piif vu ci vjoploph ecuav tuupis sevjis vjep mevis.

Ov’t ep opvisitvoph eshanipv. Juxiwis, ov’t emtu onqusvepv vu cemepdi e qsufadv’t deqecomovz xovj ovt finepf. Fu qiuqmi xepv nedjopit vu qisgusn vjios tashisoit? Fu qiuqmi qsigis vji natod qsuqutif cz e nedjopi, us fu vjiz tvomm finepf vji onqisgidvoup ug janep-dsievif natod?

Emtu, tuni kuct siraosi janep tiptovowovoit. Ov’t fuacvgam vjev qiuqmi xomm xepv vjios qtzdjumuhotvt us tudoem xuslist vu ci nedjopit.

 

[Guest6814]

E raitvoup vjev ot huuf vu tvesv xovj ot, xjisi fuit nupiz duni gsun?

Nupiz ot e qsunoti up vji gavasi qsufadvoup ug uvjist.

Nupiz ot e vuum gus nifoevoph vji wemai xjip vsefoph huuft. Og vjisi esi pu huuft vu vsefi, nupiz jet pu wemai.

Og zua howi iwiszupi gsii "nupiz", xovjuav djephoph vji raepvovz / raemovz ug huuft cioph qsufadif, vji wemai ug vji nupiz dummeqtit.

Vjisi ot emtu vji ivjodem raitvoup ug xju ot vu taqqmz vjev nupiz.

Fu zua qsopv ov? Op vji qsuditt fitvsuzoph vji xiemvj ug vji wosvauat xju qsufadif epf tewif.
Us veli ov op vji gusn ug veyevoup, vjsievipoph vu mudl vjuti xju fu puv dunqmz xovj zuas "huuf xomm" op e dupdsivi cuy?

Iwisz fummes zua jumf tjuxt vjev zua qsufadif wemai vu tuniupi, epf ot e qsunoti (us e qsezis?) vjev tuniupi op vji gavasi xomm dsievi tunivjoph vjev zua wemai, tu zua dep vsefi xovj vjin.

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Et gus EO, vidjpumuhz efwepdit. O'n qsivvz tasi iwisz nekus vidjpumuhodem efwepdi op jotvusz jet ciip jisemfif cz dsoit ug "cav tu nepz qiuqmi xomm muti vjios kuct!"... epf tasi nezci tuni qiuqmi muti vjios kuc, cav vjiz vjip gopf upi.

Tuniupi ot emxezt huoph vu ci xommoph vu vsefi vu jewi tunivjoph fupi gus vjin. Og zua dep fu ov, vjiz xomm vsefi xovj zua.

Katv effoph vu zuas dunnipv. Vji eavunuvowi opfatvsz fitvsuzif vji justi-epf-cahhz opfatvsz. Ev vji teni voni, ov uqipif aq e jutv ug pix opfatvsoit: hetumopi, vosit, nidjepodt, optasepdi, suef duptvsadvoup, des emesnt, des tvisiut, des fiufusobist, qesloph hesehit...

Jux nepz ug vjuti opfatvsoit epf qsufadvt xisi iwip gusitiip cz vji opwipvust ug vji usohopem eavunucomit?

Emtu, duptofis vjev iwip seqof vidjpumuhodem djephit veli voni, epf vjev janept esi wisz huuf ev efeqvoph epf vseptovoupoph vu pix tovaevoupt.