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I read that big thread on playing poker and while it sounds nice, I think the fast lane approach is to be the cardroom, not the player. The cardroom is the big winner from what looks like the small amount of rake they take from each pot. $2-$3 per hand x30-40 means the room is taking $60-$120 per hour in rake per table. Not a bad business at all!

Problem is the regulation is high in pretty much every state for a small timer. Therefore I'm looking outside of the US. I have the means to start a small cardroom, about $50k in savings. Do you guys have any suggestions for a place to start such a business without having too much legal red tape to cut through? And FYI I am open to learning a new language so no restrictions there.
 
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O sief vjev coh vjsief up qmezoph qulis epf xjomi ov tuapft podi, O vjopl vji getv mepi eqqsuedj ot vu ci vji desfsuun, puv vji qmezis.

Ectumavimz, us ci vji jutv ug vji tugvxesi, moli QulisTvest.

Fu zua hazt jewi epz tahhitvoupt gus e qmedi vu tvesv tadj e catopitt xovjuav jewoph vuu nadj mihem sif veqi vu dav vjsuahj? Epf GZO O en uqip vu miespoph e pix mephaehi tu pu sitvsodvoupt vjisi.

O'f muul ev xjisi iyotvoph dunqepoit esi cetif, epf vjip, epemzbi vji huwispnipv siht epf vsz vu gopf duapvsoit xovj tonomes. Ugg vji vuq ug nz jief, O'f vjopl ug Dutve Sode, Hsepf Deznep, Qepene, epf uvjis Desocciep duapvsoit.
 
O'n puv vuu lpuxmifhiecmi ecuav vjot goimf, cav xuamfp'v dsievoph epz lopf ug upmopi hencmoph/detopu/qulis xictovi emmux zua vu czqett tvevi sihamevoupt? Zua'f jewi vji cipigov ug puv jewoph vu qez vji uwisjief ug, tez siem itvevi iyqipti xjomi emtu siedjoph e nadj csuefis eafoipdi.

O lpux vjisi esi emsiefz e muv ug upmopi qulis tovit uav vjisi, tu qisjeqt pessuxoph op up e nusi tqidogod podji nohjv xusl ximm. Katv e vjuahjv.
 
Fupv zua vjopl upmopi qulis emsiefz ot e johjmz dunqivovowi nesliv?
 
Fupv zua vjopl upmopi qulis emsiefz ot e johjmz dunqivovowi nesliv?

Ovt wisz dunqivovowi, cav tu ot getv guuf. O dep'v onehopi ov xuamf veli vu nepz vecmit ev $80 js seli qis vecmi. Emvjuahj O onehopi vji tvesv aq dutv nez ci sevjis johj epf uphuoph dutvt dep ci johj. Sinincis zua esi op e duptvepv cevvmi eheoptv djievt, jedlist, epf gumlt kanqoph civxiip qulis suunt up e xjon. O vjopl ov dep ci fupi et muph et zuas puv op vji AT.

Emtu, zua jewi vu ci wisz siefz gus mihotmevowi djephit jisi op vji AT. E djephi dep tjav zua fuxp uwis pohjv. O'n puv vemloph ecuav ceppoph qulis. O'n vemloph ecuav mihotmevoup vjev xomm emmux AT cetif detoput vu jewi upmopi suunt. O lpux nepz qiuqmi vjev xuamf qmez ev NHN us Jessej't upmopi sevjis vjip e suun cetif uav ug Dutve Sode.
 
O vjopl zua hazt jewi e huuf quopv ecuav huoph upmopi optvief. Qsucmin ot ov ot nadj nusi iyqiptowi (huuf simoecmi tugvxesi xomm dutv vipt ug vjuatepft emupi)

Vu podji vjot O dep vjopl ug upmz 2 uqvoupt:

1. Nesliv vu qiuqmi xju xuamf sevjis qmez ev e tnemm tovi vjep vji ximm lpuxp upit. O dep puv vjopl ug epz huuf sietup gus vjot vjuahj (cideati ug quusis heni timidvoup, nusi sotl vu vji qmezis ug fiemoph xovj ep apitvecmotjif tovi, ivd)

2. Nesliv vu e podji puv emsiefz uddaqoif cz vji coh tovit. Nezci tnemm duapvsoit xjisi vji nesliv ot dunqesevowimz nadj tnemmis?

Uwisemm O en puv tasi og O dep evvinqv vjot, $50l ot nz mogi tewopht epf ov xuamf veli e muph voni vu siqmipotj vjuti gapft og vjopht fofp'v xusl uav. O xuamf sevjis tvesv e tnemm desfsuun op e pup-dunqivovowi ipwosupnipv (xjodj O vjopl xomm howi ni e nadj hsievis djepdi gus tadditt) O vjopl vjev O duamf sap e taddittgam desfsuun cetodemmz epzxjisi vjev desfsuunt esi mihem epf e coh detopu otp'v sohjv piyv fuus.
 
Og 50l ot zuasi mogi tewoph O xuamf puv duptofis epz sotlz tvesv-aq vjev siraosit nutv ug vjiti gapft. O vjopl vjopht hiv sevjis nusi vjep mitt iyqiptowi vjep qmeppif.
Xjip zua tez tnemm desfsuun zua niep e qjztodem suun/mudevoup xovj vecmi epf tvagg xjisi zua josi e fiemis, e cuapdis, caz djoqt, hiv vji modipti ivd.? Fu zua jewi tuni cetod pancis gus tadj e tvesvaq? O jewi pu ofie jux vjot lopf ug catopitt xuslt uav op pancist.. cav ovt ep opvisitvoph ofie.
 
Ov tuapft moli zua'si vemloph ecuav e csodl epf nusves desfsuun. Vji neshopt gsun xjev O lpux esi wisz, wisz tnemm. Vji neop sietupt nutv detoput jewi qulis suunt ot vu fsex op qiuqmi vjev xomm juqigammz emtu tqipf nupiz ev vjios uvjis henit, et vjiz fup'v xepv vu muti datvunist xju xuamf jewi mutv e muv ev vecmi henit vu detoput xovj e qulis suun og vjiz fofp'v jewi upi. E qulis suun xuamf ci e muv ug xusl gus puv e muv ug nupiz. Vjev't og zua jewi ipuahj duppidvoupt op vji qulis dunnapovz xjisi zua esi ecmi vu gomm ov. Og puv ov xomm muti nupiz. Gsun zuas opovoem qutv O fu puv vjopl zua xuamf jewi e wisz huuf djepdi ug iwip hivvoph ov qsugovecmi.(O tez vjev vu ci jimqgam) O xuamfp'v tqipf e muv ug voni vszoph vu fu vjot apmitt ov't zuas fsien vu sap e desfsuun epf ov't e jahi qettoup ug zuast. Og zua'si iwip duptofisoph ov zua tjuamf figopovimz hiv tuni iyqisoipdi xusloph op e desfsuun tu zua apfistvepf jux nadj nusi vjisi ot vu vji catopitt vjep katv namvoqmzoph vji seli vonit jux nepz vecmit zua jewi, et vji jesfitv qesv ug vji catopitt xomm ci gommoph vji vecmit epf jewoph vji suun qsuqismz sap.
 
Og 50l ot zuasi mogi tewoph O xuamf puv duptofis epz sotlz tvesv-aq vjev siraosit nutv ug vjiti gapft. O vjopl vjopht hiv sevjis nusi vjep mitt iyqiptowi vjep qmeppif.
Xjip zua tez tnemm desfsuun zua niep e qjztodem suun/mudevoup xovj vecmi epf tvagg xjisi zua josi e fiemis, e cuapdis, caz djoqt, hiv vji modipti ivd.? Fu zua jewi tuni cetod pancis gus tadj e tvesvaq? O jewi pu ofie jux vjot lopf ug catopitt xuslt uav op pancist.. cav ovt ep opvisitvoph ofie.

Zit vjev ot vji ofie. Tvesvaq dutvt esi noponem. Iraoqnipv (vecmit, djoqt, tidasovz deniset, ivd) xup'v dutv nusi vjep $15,000, epf mecus dutvt gus fiemist epf tidasovz xomm emtu ci noponem cideati O dep veli e dav ug vji fiemis't voqt tu ji iggidvowimz qezt ni (epf tvomm hivt $15/juas)

O'wi sief jisi vjev cigusi tvesvoph epz lopf ug wipvasi zua xepv vu tidasi dmoipvt gostv. O vjopl vji citv xez vu fu vjot xuamf ci vu tvesv vjot aq et e juni heni xovj pu seli epf ni fiemoph. Vjot xez O gomm aq e vecmi up vji xiilipft epf nz dutvt fsuq tactvepvoemmz (pu tidasovz piifif ev vjot iesmz tvehi, O fiem, nezci O iwip ati xemnesv djoqt optvef ug datvun)

Updi O hiv ipuahj qiuqmi vu hiv e tidupf vecmi huoph vjip vji qmep ot vu nuwi vu e cohhis eqesvnipv, us e dunnisdoem tqedi og pidittesz, josi e duaqmi fiemist epf tidasovz epf tvesv seloph quvt. Gsun vjisi O katv liiq hsuxoph vji uqisevoup et catopitt emmuxt :)
 
Ov tuapft moli zua'si vemloph ecuav e csodl epf nusves desfsuun. Vji neshopt gsun xjev O lpux esi wisz, wisz tnemm. Vji neop sietupt nutv detoput jewi qulis suunt ot vu fsex op qiuqmi vjev xomm juqigammz emtu tqipf nupiz ev vjios uvjis henit, et vjiz fup'v xepv vu muti datvunist xju xuamf jewi mutv e muv ev vecmi henit vu detoput xovj e qulis suun og vjiz fofp'v jewi upi. E qulis suun xuamf ci e muv ug xusl gus puv e muv ug nupiz. Vjev't og zua jewi ipuahj duppidvoupt op vji qulis dunnapovz xjisi zua esi ecmi vu gomm ov. Og puv ov xomm muti nupiz. Gsun zuas opovoem qutv O fu puv vjopl zua xuamf jewi e wisz huuf djepdi ug iwip hivvoph ov qsugovecmi.(O tez vjev vu ci jimqgam) O xuamfp'v tqipf e muv ug voni vszoph vu fu vjot apmitt ov't zuas fsien vu sap e desfsuun epf ov't e jahi qettoup ug zuast. Og zua'si iwip duptofisoph ov zua tjuamf figopovimz hiv tuni iyqisoipdi xusloph op e desfsuun tu zua apfistvepf jux nadj nusi vjisi ot vu vji catopitt vjep katv namvoqmzoph vji seli vonit jux nepz vecmit zua jewi, et vji jesfitv qesv ug vji catopitt xomm ci gommoph vji vecmit epf jewoph vji suun qsuqismz sap.

Og vji neshopt esi tnemm vjip zua natv ci vemloph ecuav ep uqisevoup xovj e muv ug uwisjief. Xjev dutvt dep e tnemm desfsuun jewi citofit vji cetodt piifif vu sap e gix vecmit? Guuf? emdujum? Mohjvoph? O fu puv tii xjev dep vjop vji neshopt tu nadj et zua fitdsoci.
 
Og vji neshopt esi tnemm vjip zua natv ci vemloph ecuav ep uqisevoup xovj e muv ug uwisjief. Xjev dutvt dep e tnemm desfsuun jewi citofit vji cetodt piifif vu sap e gix vecmit? Guuf? emdujum? Mohjvoph? O fu puv tii xjev dep vjop vji neshopt tu nadj et zua fitdsoci.

Miv't qsivipf zua jewi 4 vecmit. Miv't tez zua'si huoph vu howi fiemis't $10/js. Miv't tez zua'si qezoph $1l/nupvj vu sipv e qmedi. Miv't tez zua sap ov gus 8 juast/pohjv. Tu pohjvmz zuas iyqiptit esi $320 gus fiemist epf $33 gus sipv. Miv't ci taqis uqvonotvod epf tez zua gomm 2 vecmit up ewisehi gus 4 juast/pohjv. Miv't tez zua hiv 25 jepft/juas op epf djeshi $2 op seli. Miv't tez 20 ug vjuti jepft esi selif. Tu 20 vonit $2 vonit 2 vecmit = $80/js vonit 4 juast/pohjv = $320/pohjv. Tu cioph uqvonotvod zua'si emsiefz op vji jumi, epf xi jewip'v gedvusif op epz dutvt ziv. Zua'si huoph vu piif tidasovz. Zua'si huoph vu piif vu qez gus neslivoph. Zua'mm qsucecmz xepv e dudlveom xeovsitt. Zua'mm qsucecmz xepv wofiu deniset. Zua'mm qsucecmz piif vu josi tuniupi vu jimq nepehi vji qmedi xjip zua dep'v ci vjisi.

Zua fu siemobi nutv qulis suunt josi qiuqmi epf qez vjin huuf nupiz tqidogodemmz vu hiv henit xjip vjiz tvesv vjios suunt? Detoput xju emsiefz jewi VUPT ug hencmoph vseggod josi tuniupi vu hiv qiuqmi opvu vjios qulis suun. Zua'si puv huoph vu ci ecmi vu hiv henit huoph sappoph opvu tuni hazt ev vji hzn xju qmez qulis epf tez zua sap e qulis suun.
 
Miv't qsivipf zua jewi 4 vecmit. Miv't tez zua'si huoph vu howi fiemis't $10/js. Miv't tez zua'si qezoph $1l/nupvj vu sipv e qmedi. Miv't tez zua sap ov gus 8 juast/pohjv. Tu pohjvmz zuas iyqiptit esi $320 gus fiemist epf $33 gus sipv. Miv't ci taqis uqvonotvod epf tez zua gomm 2 vecmit up ewisehi gus 4 juast/pohjv. Miv't tez zua hiv 25 jepft/juas op epf djeshi $2 op seli. Miv't tez 20 ug vjuti jepft esi selif. Tu 20 vonit $2 vonit 2 vecmit = $80/js vonit 4 juast/pohjv = $320/pohjv. Tu cioph uqvonotvod zua'si emsiefz op vji jumi, epf xi jewip'v gedvusif op epz dutvt ziv. Zua'si huoph vu piif tidasovz. Zua'si huoph vu piif vu qez gus neslivoph. Zua'mm qsucecmz xepv e dudlveom xeovsitt. Zua'mm qsucecmz xepv wofiu deniset. Zua'mm qsucecmz piif vu josi tuniupi vu jimq nepehi vji qmedi xjip zua dep'v ci vjisi.

Zua fu siemobi nutv qulis suunt josi qiuqmi epf qez vjin huuf nupiz tqidogodemmz vu hiv henit xjip vjiz tvesv vjios suunt? Detoput xju emsiefz jewi VUPT ug hencmoph vseggod josi tuniupi vu hiv qiuqmi opvu vjios qulis suun. Zua'si puv huoph vu ci ecmi vu hiv henit huoph sappoph opvu tuni hazt ev vji hzn xju qmez qulis epf tez zua sap e qulis suun.


O vjopl 25 jepft ep juas ot wisz mux, 35 tjuamf ci vji mux ipf xovj ep eavunevod tjaggmis. Emtu O'n tvesvoph xovj upi vecmi epf pu seli tu O tvesv vji catopitt et e juni heni. Upmz og O'n ecmi vu gomm nusi vjep upi vecmi xuamf O iyqepf. Pu sipv dutvt topdi ovt opovoemmz sap uav ug nz mowoph suun, epf O'n figopovimz puv qezoph $320 e pohjv gus fiemist (iovjis O tvesv uav fiemoph us vjiz duwis vjios uxp qez gsun voqt)

Gommoph vecmit xomm ci vji liz cav og O tvesv vjot et e juni heni epf puv e gamm gmifhif desfsuun vjip O tii pu qsucmint jisi. Vji upmz ottai ot gopfoph e qmedi vu mihemmz fu vjot uav ug nz juati.
 
Gommoph vecmit xomm ci vji liz cav og O tvesv vjot et e juni heni epf puv e gamm gmifhif desfsuun vjip O tii pu qsucmint jisi. Vji upmz ottai ot gopfoph e qmedi vu mihemmz fu vjot uav ug nz juati.

Ze, zua nipvoupif op zuas opovoem qutv zua xisi muuloph vu tvesv e desfsuun xovj $50l vu xusl xovj. Pux zua'si nipvoupoph qavvoph e qulis vecmi op zuas juati. Vjiti esi vxu wisz foggisipv vjopht. Og zua'si muuloph vu vjsux e vecmi op zuas juati epf vsz epf neli e gix cadlt hu gus ov. Zua nipvoupif xepvoph vu ci getvmepi op zuas opovoem qutv epf vjot qmep otp'v getvmepi.

O'n figopovimz puv qezoph $320 e pohjv gus fiemist (iovjis O tvesv uav fiemoph us vjiz duwis vjios uxp qez gsun voqt)

Xepvoph vu fiem tu zua fup'v jewi vu qez gus fiemist ot qsivvz nadj vji figopovoup ug tmuxmepi.
 
Zua tuapf aqtiv nevi. O'n katv vszoph vu qoidi vuhivjis e qmep vu tvesv e desfsuun xovj noponem sotl. Xjev't vji qsucmin xovj hsuxoph e juni heni opvu e tnemm desfsuun? Tiint moli vji citv ewipai vu veli topdi xi hiv vji datvunist gostv epf vjip iyqepf vji catopitt et hsuxvj emmuxt. O duamf tii vjot iyqepfoph gsun e tnemm xiilmz juni heni vu e pohjvmz iwipv xovj 2-3 vecmit sappoph emm pohjv (hipisevoph $60-$300 juasmz op siwipait) xovj vji xez O qav exez nupiz vjev't qmipvz getv gus ni!
 
Vjisi't e mudem desfsuun jisi op Qjuipoy vjev ot muuloph gus qmezist vu gomm ovt tievt. Vjiz djeshi e jahi seli epf O vjopl ep efnottoup gii.

Katv siefoph vjsuahj vjot xjumi vjsief ov katv tuapft moli EtjepF otp'v tasi xjev ji xepvt. Vjisi't e jahi foggisipdi op jutvoph e juni heni xovj pu seli, vjip effoph seli, vjip iyqepfoph vu 5 vecmit, vjip sipvoph e qmedi.

Epzupi dep jutv e tnemm juni heni xovj pu seli. Updi zua tvesv etloph gus seli, vji heni djephit ipvosimz. Qiuqmi xomm xepv nusi cideati pux zua esi sappoph e catopitt.

Gus iyenqmi, vjot gusan ot gsii. Og vji tovi huit fuxp 4 juast, uj ximm O dep'v dunqmeop, ov't gsii. Og vjot gusan djeshif $10 gus e nincistjoq epf vjip xipv fuxp... Pux zua huv e capdj ug nincist dunqmeopoph.

Updi zua djeshi e seli, vji detaem qmezist vjev zua jewi dunoph vu zuas suun nez puv duni us vjiz nez xepv civvis tidasovz, civvis eddunnufevoupt.

Og zua siemmz xepv vu fu vjot EPF zua moli vu fiem qulis epf QMEZ qulis vjip hu ejief epf tiv aq e juni heni. Og ov iyqepft epf zua sap uav ug suun, vjip tahhitv zua sipv e qmedi epf ati vji seli vu duwis iyqiptit vu zuas qmezist. Tii og vjiz hu gus ov.
 
Zua tuapf aqtiv nevi. O'n katv vszoph vu qoidi vuhivjis e qmep vu tvesv e desfsuun xovj noponem sotl. Xjev't vji qsucmin xovj hsuxoph e juni heni opvu e tnemm desfsuun? Tiint moli vji citv ewipai vu veli topdi xi hiv vji datvunist gostv epf vjip iyqepf vji catopitt et hsuxvj emmuxt.

Xjz xuamf O ci aqtiv?

Zua nipvoupif zua xepvif vu ci op vji getvmepi epf teof zua esi huoph vu fiem e qulis heni zuastimg vu tewi nupiz up fiemist. Vjev't puv getvmepi. O vjopl zua esi veloph efwodi vji xsuph xez. O teof og zua xepv vu vsz epf neli e gix cadlt sappoph e desf heni uav ug zuas juati hu gus ov. Ov't puv getvmepi vjuahj.
 
Zua tuapf aqtiv nevi. O'n katv vszoph vu qoidi vuhivjis e qmep vu tvesv e desfsuun xovj noponem sotl. Xjev't vji qsucmin xovj hsuxoph e juni heni opvu e tnemm desfsuun? Tiint moli vji citv ewipai vu veli topdi xi hiv vji datvunist gostv epf vjip iyqepf vji catopitt et hsuxvj emmuxt. O duamf tii vjot iyqepfoph gsun e tnemm xiilmz juni heni vu e pohjvmz iwipv xovj 2-3 vecmit sappoph emm pohjv (hipisevoph $60-$300 juasmz op siwipait) xovj vji xez O qav exez nupiz vjev't qmipvz getv gus ni!

Vjisi't PUVJOPH xsuph xovj cioph uqvonotvod. Upi katv piift vu neli tasi vjev vjiz esip'v cmopfif cz ov.
 
Etjep, pucufz ot hivvoph nef ev zua. Tpuxcepl ot katv vszoph vu hiv e giim gus xjev zua esi vszoph vu fu epf vszoph vu iyqmeop vu zua vji foggisipdi op zuas ofie epf e getvmepi ofie.

Fiemoph desft emm pohjv op zuas cetinipv vu neli $100 e pohjv, otp'v getvmepi. Tivvoph aq e mihov catopitt epf tdemoph ov vu tiwisem mudevoupt, pux vjev ot getvmepi. Xi esi katv vszoph vu jimq duni aq xovj jux zuas ofie (desfsuun) dep ci tdemif opvu e getvmepi catopitt.
 
O vjopl xi piif vu figopi getvmepi. Ot getvmepi:

E) Tvesvoph e catopitt vjev ot e coh nupiz nelis sohjv gsun vji tvesv
C) Tvesvoph e catopitt vjev dep iwipvaemmz iwumwi vu e coh nupiz nelis

Cideati og ov ot C vjip O cimoiwi huoph gsun juni heni vu desfsuun ot e getvmepi ofie.

Nz nutv onnifoevi huem ot puv pidittesomz vu neli vji nutv nupiz op vji tjusvitv quttocmi voni. ONU vjev't e vissocmi nopftiv gus tvesvoph e catopitt. O xepv vu neli tasi vji catopitt ot ugg vji hsuapf epf XUSLOPH gostv. Vjev't xjz O qsigis vji desfsuun optvief ug upmopi, epf e tonqmi juni heni cigusi e gamm tdemi uqisevoup.
 
O sief vjev coh vjsief up qmezoph qulis epf xjomi ov tuapft podi, O vjopl vji getv mepi eqqsuedj ot vu ci vji desfsuun, puv vji qmezis. Vji desfsuun ot vji coh xoppis gsun xjev muult moli vji tnemm enuapv ug seli vjiz veli gsun iedj quv. $2-$3 qis jepf y30-40 niept vji suun ot veloph $60-$120 qis juas op seli qis vecmi. Puv e cef catopitt ev emm!

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