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Should I be worried about capitalism changing? Or am I overthinking it?

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I read somewhere that monarchies (before) actually hate capitalism because it threatens their class structure where the monarch can safely safeguard his throne.

Hmmm... I just realize it. At least for the Russians, communists didn't fought capitalism but monarchy. And clearly they're different structures: monarchies has a class structure that safeguards the monarch. Capitalism cuts this structure off and gives way to those who are willing to risk and work hard, meaning any people can be as rich as a monarch. Of course kings won't like this!

This is true, they did not overthrow a capitalist society in Russia.

The problem with both monarchy and socialism/communism is control over property. Only in "classical liberal" societies are rights to property (land and chattel) enforced more or less equally among classes.

In monarchic systems, there is an elite class that can own land and make claims, and lesser classes that generally can not. Even merchant trade was seen as a threat to this structure, but by the late middle ages mercantilism was too powerful to stop.

In Marxist systems, the theory is essentially for elites to hold all property and land in trust for the collective; unfortunately the net result of this is totalitarian power for a few elites. Secondary result is deplorable mismanagement, because the elites, even if they were benevolent, simply don't know enough to manage the thousands of farms, factories, and distribution points that would normally (for us) be handled by thousands of specialized people with knowledge and skills related to their jobs. This is why Lenin, as much as he hated business people, actually had to let them out of jail and put them back in business. It was that or more starvation (Lenin's policies killed a sobering number of people through starvation, just as most other Marx-inspired leaders did).

And once again, this is why we all need to get good at business and stay that way. Let's go save the world from communism folks.
 
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I read somewhere that monarchies (before) actually hate capitalism because it threatens their class structure where the monarch can safely safeguard his throne.

Hmmm... I just realize it. At least for the Russians, communists didn't fought capitalism but monarchy. And clearly they're different structures: monarchies has a class structure that safeguards the monarch. Capitalism cuts this structure off and gives way to those who are willing to risk and work hard, meaning any people can be as rich as a monarch. Of course kings won't like this!
That's an interesting point!

Capitalism is interesting because it has changed forms over the years. For example, in the British Empire, merchants had enormous power that business owners in America today could only dream of (East India Trading Company literally started wars). However the flipside to that is it had to serve the crown, and everyone has to know their place. Modern capitalism is based on the idea that all are equal, and everyone having the opportunity to start a business is better for society.

However this is heavily debated, and many particularly left-leaning scholars will say colonialism was just capitalism on steroids. There are some good arguments for that (Chiquita Fruit Company for example), but referring to the British again, their society started to become freer once modern capitalism become more prominent.

Maybe something similar could have happened in Russia too, because once serfdom was abolished, the lives of the former serfs actually were getting better. However, Russia was still still undeveloped and most people in poverty. Add to war to the mix and you have a lot of angry people.

The funny thing is though, it was not even the workers who revolted. Lenin and Trotskey were privilaged, middle-class intellectuals, and the bulk of their fighting force were disgruntled Imperial soldiers who were fed up with the current dynasty.

I'm sure the Romanovs would have been happy if Russia became a thriving capitalist monarchy, but when a county is that unstable, who have various douchebags all jockying for power.
 

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I think you know the history better than me haha.

But Nicholas II was called "Nicholas the Bloody." He frequently had people assassinated and in general used violence to suppress his opponents. Not that this was uncharacteristic of monarchs in the old days. Many monarchs were weak rulers who relied on fear to keep their subjects in line.

But yeah, Russia lacked the infrastructure and systems to facilitate entrepreneurship. They were about 50-100 years behind the rest of Europe. It's hard to see opportunity when you're just trying not to freeze or starve to death.

And yeah, Russia was very much like a feudalism; landowners held all the wealth and didn't give a damn about the welfare of the common folk.


This is the major point: Russia didn't turn communist because extreme-leftists got a voice. It was because things were so bad that the average person literally had nothing to lose. Communism just appealed to people's deep hatred for the upper class, who prospered while everyone else suffered.



You also have to understand, people's perspectives are often based off of that they see. When everyone around you is fighting to stay alive, then having a small farm which is enough to keep yourself and your family afloat often seems more than enough. We generally don't realize this today because we're so insanely well-off today compared to people 100 years ago.

Societies become more developed as they move away from agriculture and towards industry as the primary means of production. It makes sense, first you make sure there's food then you can worry about having things.

In Russia, the farmers who were sustaining themselves actually WERE the entrepreneurs. And they weren't even really rich, they just weren't starving. But they were better off than their peers, and they were the first targets of the communist revolution. Ironically, they were also the ones feeding everyone, so when they got purged, the commies basically shot themselves in the foot.

lol i didn't know he had nickname nicholas the bloody, had to check why and history channel website said:
A few days after his coronation in 1894, nearly 1,400 of his subjects died during a huge stampede. They had gathered on a large field in Moscow to receive coronation gifts and souvenirs, but the day ended in tragedy. It was a disturbing beginning to Nicholas’ reign, and his bungled response earned him the nickname “Nicholas the Bloody.”


Anyways,
there is one HUGE difference between russia and feudalism. In feudalism the lords, landowners, etc were the law, but in russia there was an actual russian government above the landowners.
Similar to slave plantations in the United States. Slaves answered to the owner, but the owner still lived under federal and state law.

Just goes to show how complex things are.

 

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This is true, they did not overthrow a capitalist society in Russia.

The problem with both monarchy and socialism/communism is control over property. Only in "classical liberal" societies are rights to property (land and chattel) enforced more or less equally among classes.

In monarchic systems, there is an elite class that can own land and make claims, and lesser classes that generally can not. Even merchant trade was seen as a threat to this structure, but by the late middle ages mercantilism was too powerful to stop.

In Marxist systems, the theory is essentially for elites to hold all property and land in trust for the collective; unfortunately the net result of this is totalitarian power for a few elites. Secondary result is deplorable mismanagement, because the elites, even if they were benevolent, simply don't know enough to manage the thousands of farms, factories, and distribution points that would normally (for us) be handled by thousands of specialized people with knowledge and skills related to their jobs. This is why Lenin, as much as he hated business people, actually had to let them out of jail and put them back in business. It was that or more starvation (Lenin's policies killed a sobering number of people through starvation, just as most other Marx-inspired leaders did).

And once again, this is why we all need to get good at business and stay that way. Let's go save the world from communism folks.

Well Lenin only got to be in power because people were already dying from starvation, cause there were too many people and not enough land to farm, and as we know the landowners gave 0 F*cks about the masses.
It was a catastrophic situation all around, hence the revolution.

The communist party did that whole farm collectivization approach because that was their strategy to produce enough to feed everyone.

It's easy to look back now and criticize their strategic decisions, but i really don't feel Lenin was some evil a**hole who wanted to starve people to death.

You got it right about the problems of managing the country. Russia was fukin HUGE! i believe over 160 million people fell under it's jurisdiction.
I can't even begin to imagine what a challenge it was to govern all that back in early 1900's!
 
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lol i didn't know he had nickname nicholas the bloody, had to check why and history channel website said:
A few days after his coronation in 1894, nearly 1,400 of his subjects died during a huge stampede. They had gathered on a large field in Moscow to receive coronation gifts and souvenirs, but the day ended in tragedy. It was a disturbing beginning to Nicholas’ reign, and his bungled response earned him the nickname “Nicholas the Bloody.”


Anyways,
there is one HUGE difference between russia and feudalism. In feudalism the lords, landowners, etc were the law, but in russia there was an actual russian government above the landowners.
Similar to slave plantations in the United States. Slaves answered to the owner, but the owner still lived under federal and state law.

Just goes to show how complex things are.
You know what's funny, I've learned way more about feudalism today than the average person ever needs to lol.

Anyways I had to do a some quick research on Feudalism in Russia. I think in general it was pretty similar to other countries in Europe at the time, but like you said, the Emperor of Russia seemed to have A LOT more centralized power. Russia was an absolute monarchy until 1906 which basically meant the Emperor could do whatever the hell he wanted to anymore, and no one had a right to say no. Britain had been a constitutional monarchy for hundreds of years at that time, so the nobles had a lot more power.
It's interesting that the Emancipation of the Serfs happened BEFORE it got changed to a constitutional monarchy. So even when people were supposedly "free" the emperor could probably order your death for looking at him the wrong way.

Doesn't sound like a fun place to live.
 

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You know what's funny, I've learned way more about feudalism today than the average person ever needs to lol.

Anyways I had to do a some quick research on Feudalism in Russia. I think in general it was pretty similar to other countries in Europe at the time, but like you said, the Emperor of Russia seemed to have A LOT more centralized power. Russia was an absolute monarchy until 1906 which basically meant the Emperor could do whatever the hell he wanted to anymore, and no one had a right to say no. Britain had been a constitutional monarchy for hundreds of years at that time, so the nobles had a lot more power.
It's interesting that the Emancipation of the Serfs happened BEFORE it got changed to a constitutional monarchy. So even when people were supposedly "free" the emperor could probably order your death for looking at him the wrong way.

Doesn't sound like a fun place to live.

yea probably it was a government that still had the tsar have the final veto and control of decisions.
and he had "divine" rule and all that so yea...
 
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Well, Stalin sure was.

Well if it wasn't for stalin we might all be speaking german now, except for me cause the nazis woulda killed my great grandparents.
So i can't really hate on the guy.

I am boggled at how that man was able to turn revolutionary peasant russia into a force powerful enough to turn back the nazis at stalingrad, and create soviet superpower after the war.

And he wasn't even russian!
 
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Well Lenin only got to be in power because people were already dying from starvation, cause there were too many people and not enough land to farm, and as we know the landowners gave 0 F*cks about the masses.
It was a catastrophic situation all around, hence the revolution.

The communist party did that whole farm collectivization approach because that was their strategy to produce enough to feed everyone.

It's easy to look back now and criticize their strategic decisions, but i really don't feel Lenin was some evil a**hole who wanted to starve people to death.

You got it right about the problems of managing the country. Russia was fukin HUGE! i believe over 160 million people fell under it's jurisdiction.
I can't even begin to imagine what a challenge it was to govern all that back in early 1900's!

No, Lenin did not necessarily want to starve people. Maybe the more inconvenient ones, but not all of them. He did murder people if they were suspected of disagreeing with him though, so let's stop short of making him a saint. He wasn't better than previous leaders, and he was worse than quite a few.

It was easy to criticize their strategic decisions, even at the time. Not just looking back. They put the people who knew how to do things in jail, or killed them. The natural result was that those things were not done anymore. People looking from the sidelines understood this (if they weren't part of the propaganda), but the ones implementing it, perhaps, thought their ideas would just make everything work. This is the problem, and the danger. People who "just believe" that their ideas will work on a large scale, without any knowledge or skills (other than murdering dissenters), and without the consent of the people who pay the price for their actions, are by definition ******** who starve people to death.

We don't really need to apologize for people like Lenin and Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and [insert long list] ... they're worthless people who caused millions of deaths that would not have happened otherwise. I'm sure some of them had unhappy childhoods that I could be made to sympathize with, but it frankly doesn't excuse their choices as adults. All of them presided over rapid declines in population, or quality of life, or both. And it was simply because they wanted power and control over other people, and followed a philosophy that makes no room for individual rights. Well, other than their own right to rule over other people, which was effectively unlimited. They were hypocrites who railed against kings in order to make themselves kings.

Sorry. I hate to take a thread that's about "should I start a business even though the communists might take over" and turn it into a history/philosophy talk. But we can't just start making excuses for totalitarian murderers and leave it at that. That's seriously step 1 toward what the OP is worried about. It's what The Road to Serfdom is about. It's what The Vision of the Anointed is about. It's incompatible with capitalism, free trade, business, family success, you having any liberty. Next we'll be defending the most infamous, whose name I have intentionally not mentioned (since every unpopular political leader is inevitably compared to him...). It's Ok -- we can just call them all worthless jackasses.

But yeah, Russia lacked the infrastructure and systems to facilitate entrepreneurship. They were about 50-100 years behind the rest of Europe. It's hard to see opportunity when you're just trying not to freeze or starve to death.

^ Big reason for this... people didn't have rights. Yes there was snow and ice and whatever. But people couldn't make things. Wherever you free people up to build, experiment, exercise free will, you find entrepreneurship and opportunity. Russia was behind politically because it didn't have an elected parliament and people were not free to choose anything... profession, location, education, etc. That was the root of its problems, more than the weather.

[So the point is...] Now exercise your right to own property in your own name, to trade, to make profit off of your own work, your own risk, to give your children a better start than you had, etc., so that we can continue to progress as a species, and maybe one day overcome these self-inflicted mental disorders we call political ideologies.
 

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No, Lenin did not necessarily want to starve people. Maybe the more inconvenient ones, but not all of them. He did murder people if they were suspected of disagreeing with him though, so let's stop short of making him a saint. He wasn't better than previous leaders, and he was worse than quite a few.

It was easy to criticize their strategic decisions, even at the time. Not just looking back. They put the people who knew how to do things in jail, or killed them. The natural result was that those things were not done anymore. People looking from the sidelines understood this (if they weren't part of the propaganda), but the ones implementing it, perhaps, thought their ideas would just make everything work. This is the problem, and the danger. People who "just believe" that their ideas will work on a large scale, without any knowledge or skills (other than murdering dissenters), and without the consent of the people who pay the price for their actions, are by definition ******** who starve people to death.

We don't really need to apologize for people like Lenin and Mao and Stalin and Pol Pot and [insert long list] ... they're worthless people who caused millions of deaths that would not have happened otherwise. I'm sure some of them had unhappy childhoods that I could be made to sympathize with, but it frankly doesn't excuse their choices as adults. All of them presided over rapid declines in population, or quality of life, or both. And it was simply because they wanted power and control over other people, and followed a philosophy that makes no room for individual rights. Well, other than their own right to rule over other people, which was effectively unlimited. They were hypocrites who railed against kings in order to make themselves kings.

Sorry. I hate to take a thread that's about "should I start a business even though the communists might take over" and turn it into a history/philosophy talk. But we can't just start making excuses for totalitarian murderers and leave it at that. That's seriously step 1 toward what the OP is worried about. It's what The Road to Serfdom is about. It's what The Vision of the Anointed is about. It's incompatible with capitalism, free trade, business, family success, you having any liberty. Next we'll be defending the most infamous, whose name I have intentionally not mentioned (since every unpopular political leader is inevitably compared to him...). It's Ok -- we can just call them all worthless jackasses.



^ Big reason for this... people didn't have rights. Yes there was snow and ice and whatever. But people couldn't make things. Wherever you free people up to build, experiment, exercise free will, you find entrepreneurship and opportunity. Russia was behind politically because it didn't have an elected parliament and people were not free to choose anything... profession, location, education, etc. That was the root of its problems, more than the weather.

[So the point is...] Now exercise your right to own property in your own name, to trade, to make profit off of your own work, your own risk, to give your children a better start than you had, etc., so that we can continue to progress as a species, and maybe one day overcome these self-inflicted mental disorders we call political ideologies.

you stopped short of making lenin a saint, and reversed deep into "worthless people who caused death of millions".

I personally looked into these "millions" dead claims, whether from famines or repression, gulags, etc
and i have found NO consensus that millions died from these things.

Apparently a lot of these very high estimates were created during the cold war, before the soviet union collapsed and the archives were made public.
Newer research shows the numbers were GREATLY exaggerated.
 

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Hey guys I’m new to the forum, just finished Millionaire Fastlane and on to unscripted now, but something I’m really worried about with starting to be an entrepreneur and can’t get out of my mind so hopefully someone can help me clear my head, is anyone else worried about liberals wanting to change capitalism? I hear they think the current system is unfair and want to change it which sounds scary. Is it going to ruin it for entrepreneurs in America or is this something that I’m over thinking and shouldn’t worry about? If you haven’t heard anything about this then it probably means It’s not as big a deal as I think, thanks
Yes, they think they want change in our society. What they don't know is how far we've come in just my lifetime.

I came from the Ozark Mountains. Many of the people around us didn't have indoor plumbing. My aunt washed the banker's white shirts in a big black pot over an open fire out in her yard. No, we didn't have TV service available since we were in a rural area. My whole family slept in the guest room downstairs during the winters -- which was located off of the family/dining room with the pot belly stove -- our only winter heat. We didn't heat the upstairs with our bedrooms during the winter. We were elite in our town. We had indoor plumbing, but the toilet froze every winter because there was no adequate insulation available for the pipes. I had ear infections, and there were no antibiotics for that problem invented at that time. I had lost 1/3 of my hearing by the time I was in second grade from those untreated infections. And that's not the half of it.

In contrast, I live like a queen today... due to capitalism. These liberals just haven't had to work hard at the basics. My life has made me really tough. They're a bunch of snowflakes. They think they know what they want. When things don't go their way, they will fold their hand.

Carry on with creating your business. It's the most powerful thing you can do.
 
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Well Lenin only got to be in power because people were already dying from starvation, cause there were too many people and not enough land to farm, and as we know the landowners gave 0 F*cks about the masses.
It was a catastrophic situation all around, hence the revolution.

It's a well known fact that Lenin used to be an landowner himself and sued (!) starving farmers for stealing crops from his land during famine. Lenin didn't give a F*ck about people, rich or poor, he hated people in general. Good base for a totalitarian regime, don't you think?

But it's probably a lie spread by the CIA.

Well if it wasn't for stalin we might all be speaking german now, except for me cause the nazis woulda killed my great grandparents.
So i can't really hate on the guy.

I am boggled at how that man was able to turn revolutionary peasant russia into a force powerful enough to turn back the nazis at stalingrad, and create soviet superpower after the war.

And he wasn't even russian!

You think living under the nazi regime would be worse than living under Soviet regime? Please talk to some people in Europe that saw both. If Stalin didn't have millions of men to use as cannon fodder, we wouldn't even talk about Stalin right now. That and because the Germans heavily underestimated the long and bad supply lines (like Napoleon did). After the war he was celebrated as a hero because "he stopped the Germans". Well, sorry to bust your Stalin-ideal, but he sucked. Soviet army was terrible. They couldn't even beat a minuscule Finnish army.

That's just classic Soviet-heroism-propaganda that is apparently still stuck in your brain.

you stopped short of making lenin a saint, and reversed deep into "worthless people who caused death of millions".

I personally looked into these "millions" dead claims, whether from famines or repression, gulags, etc
and i have found NO consensus that millions died from these things.

You looked into those one by one? And then you assumed it didn't happen. This is identical behavior as neo-nazis denying holocaust. It doesn't fit in your opinion, so let's just ignore cold hard facts.

Apparently a lot of these very high estimates were created during the cold war, before the soviet union collapsed and the archives were made public.
Newer research shows the numbers were GREATLY exaggerated.

It doesn't matter if they killed millions, or hundreds of thousands or hundreds even. They were tortured, raped, killed, because they had other ideas. Or because somebody else said they had other ideas. Isn't that enough?

Now I remember why you were on my ignore-list. You are a Soviet crime denier. I don't understand what you're still doing here on an entrepreneur forum. You'd make a great political commissar in North-Korea under Kim Jong-un, the great Hero who won WW III with nuclear superior weapons against US and A from Trump.
 
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Hey guys I’m new to the forum, just finished Millionaire Fastlane and on to unscripted now, but something I’m really worried about with starting to be an entrepreneur and can’t get out of my mind so hopefully someone can help me clear my head, is anyone else worried about liberals wanting to change capitalism? I hear they think the current system is unfair and want to change it which sounds scary. Is it going to ruin it for entrepreneurs in America or is this something that I’m over thinking and shouldn’t worry about? If you haven’t heard anything about this then it probably means It’s not as big a deal as I think, thanks

Overthinking it. First of all nothing being proposed by the "radical left" is all that radical , a 70% top marginal income bracket is too high to be effective (we can use evidence for this) but its hardly radical.

Also anything the "left" proposes tends to be attacked by democracies immune system , its qctually questioned. Sanders says medicaid for all and shows us 90 pages and months later world class economists from across the spectrum release a dizzying array of reports.

Id be much more concerned with far right populism , 1.5 trillion dillar deficit hole (over ten years) to give tax cuts to people who have movie theaters inside their yachts? , doesnt really help the demand side of things or help bind society together. Everyone yawned at that and it passed overnight.

Either way though you should ignore it , saying its the red or blue teams fault you arent rich is an excuse. Plenty of fastlaners in nordic countries with "socialist" programs , plenty in countries with universal healthcare. Plenty of fastlaners in shitty third world countries too , you think they made money worrying about which dictator was vying for power in their shitty banana republic or by keeping themselves focused on the end goal?
 
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you stopped short of making lenin a saint, and reversed deep into "worthless people who caused death of millions".

I personally looked into these "millions" dead claims, whether from famines or repression, gulags, etc
and i have found NO consensus that millions died from these things.

Apparently a lot of these very high estimates were created during the cold war, before the soviet union collapsed and the archives were made public.
Newer research shows the numbers were GREATLY exaggerated.
What? Google “20th century democide.” Read it and weep. Communism has killed more people than all modern wars combined.

Too all you naysayers on here, just remember that Hitler was democratically elected. The populous is stupid and miseducated by design. @Kak is right, it’s the voters that you should be worried about, not the politicians.

This is why America was never intended to be a democracy in the first place, and technically it still isn’t. CNN would have you believe otherwise, however.
 

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Why these millionaires want to raise taxes on themselves

Check this pompous jackass out... The CNBC host does a decent job of telling it like it is... but wow.

First of all... This guy names his tax and spend liberal organization, “Patriotic Millionaires” as if people that don’t share his viewpoint are “unpatriotic.”

He is using his status and wealth to pontificate for “all the millionaires” his own personal socialistic political views. I find this guy morally reprehensible.

Let’s talk about patriotism.. One of the very premises this country was founded on was because of the taxation from England with no representation. It was one of the reasons for the revolutionary war.

The 99% all but admit they want to take from the 1% (steal at gunpoint). Where is the representation for the 1%? Don’t tell me it is this fat F*cker.

Now in 2019... we have ideologue billionaires like Warren Buffett literally speaking for millionaires (people worth thousands of times less than him). We have jackasses like the guy in this video thinking it is virtuous to surrender more money to a black hole, but is also too stupid to realize that there is zero connection between wealth redistribution and the advancement of society.

Very few would disagree that we have a pretty great standard of living in the USA... Possibly the best of the larger countries in the world. That said, my question for him would be this... What drove our country to this point? No one in the US needs to go hungry, very very few do. No one in the US works in working conditions like that of just 50 years ago. No one in the US is forced to work long hours. Very few that are truly willing to work are unemployed.

Employees are buying big beautiful homes with very little sacrifice, or risk. They are driving luxurious automobiles and flying on airplanes to go on nice vacations every year. They are playing golf. They are eating at restaurants. Leisure has never been more attainable and people are healthier and happier than ever before.

Ask a working class guy from the 1950s what his lifestyle looked like... It was quite different.

Did government do this? HELL No!

The reason for this constant improvement... FREE MARKET Capitalism... Government does not advance society. Evil, greedy, capitalist pigs advance society.

Capitalism begot machinery that reduced human workload.

Capitalism harnessed the energy stored in fuels to further reduce workload and light our homes.

Capitalism begot railways that spread economies far and wide.

Capitalism begot cars that made capitalist exchange even more efficient within city centers.

Capitalism made air travel affordable for the masses.

Capitalism begot technology that turned us into an information sector economy.

Capitalism has cured and continues to cure diseases.

Capitalism creates the value that employs people. Even government indirectly.

Capitalism is virtuous. Win-win, trade-up value exchanges create opportunity for everyone.

All along the way there was a producer that made a killing off of each and every one of these advancements. They deserve it.

What has the government done? Bombs people, jails citizens, blows resources on frivolous endeavors, death marches our soldiers into battle, kills (mostly minority) unborn babies, regulates and creates expensive compliance issues, writes us speeding tickets, indoctrinates our children, makes trying to “capitalism” the world forward a living hell and they charge us 40-60 percent of everything we earn for the privilege.

So much for “progressivism.”

All of this said, the facts are there... The money is much better left with us greedy capitalists.

So build... build the most audacious pile of money you possibly can. Be an “evil” producer. Capitalistically exchange your way to the biggest business you possibly can build. Along the way you will provide means for all of your employees and value to your customers and shareholders. The value you provide the world is exponential. The working class value is linear. The undeniable fact is that the world is better for your efforts... Don’t ever let a fat, pompous, communist F*cker tell you otherwise.

Never cede these truths.
 
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Why these millionaires want to raise taxes on themselves

Check this pompous jackass out... The CNBC host does a decent job of telling it like it is... but wow.

First of all... This guy names his tax and spend liberal organization, “Patriotic Millionaires” as if people that don’t share his viewpoint are “unpatriotic.”

He is using his status and wealth to pontificate for “all the millionaires” his own personal socialistic political views. I find this guy morally reprehensible.

Let’s talk about patriotism.. One of the very premises this country was founded on was because of the taxation from England with no representation. It was one of the reasons for the revolutionary war.

The 99% all but admit they want to take from the 1% (steal at gunpoint). Where is the representation for the 1%? Don’t tell me it is this fat F*cker.

Now in 2019... we have ideologue billionaires like Warren Buffett literally speaking for millionaires (people worth thousands of times less than him). We have jackasses like the guy in this video thinking it is virtuous to surrender more money to a black hole, but is also too stupid to realize that there is zero connection between wealth redistribution and the advancement of society.

Very few would disagree that we have a pretty great standard of living in the USA... Possibly the best of the larger countries in the world. That said, my question for him would be this... What drove our country to this point? No one in the US needs to go hungry, very very few do. No one in the US works in working conditions like that of just 50 years ago. No one in the US is forced to work long hours. Very few that are truly willing to work are unemployed.

Employees are buying big beautiful homes with very little sacrifice, or risk. They are driving luxurious automobiles and flying on airplanes to go on nice vacations every year. They are playing golf. They are healthier and happier than ever before.

Ask a working class guy from the 1950s what his lifestyle looked like... It was quite different.

Did government do this? HELL No!

The reason for this constant improvement... FREE MARKET Capitalism... Government does not advance society. Evil, greedy, capitalist pigs advance society.

Capitalism begot machinery that reduced human workload.

Capitalism harnessed the energy stored in fuels to further reduce workload.

Capitalism begot railways that spread economies far and wide.

Capitalism begot cars that made capitalist exchange even more efficient within city centers.

Capitalism made air travel affordable for the masses.

Capitalism begot technology that turned us into an information sector economy.

Capitalism creates the value that employs people. Even government indirectly.

Capitalism is virtuous. Win-win, trade-up value exchanges create opportunity for everyone.

All along the way there was a producer that made a killing off of each and every one of these advancements. They deserve it.

What has the government done? Bombs people, jails citizens, blows resources on frivolous endeavors, death marches our soldiers into battle, kills (mostly minority) unborn babies, regulates and creates expensive compliance issues, makes trying to “capitalism” the world forward a living hell and they charge us 40-60 percent of everything we earn for the privilege.

All of this said, the facts are there... The money is much better left with us greedy capitalists.

So build... build the most audacious pile of money you possibly can. Capitalistically exchange your way to the biggest business you possibly can build. Along the way you will provide means for all of your employees and value to your customers and shareholders. The world is better for your efforts... Don’t ever let a fat, pompous, communist F*cker tell you otherwise.
Amen! I don’t think it could be said better.

Too bad you’ll be labeled a bigot, racist, misogynist for believing such things.
 
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Why these millionaires want to raise taxes on themselves

Check this pompous jackass out... The CNBC host does a decent job of telling it like it is... but wow.

First of all... This guy names his tax and spend liberal organization, “Patriotic Millionaires” as if people that don’t share his viewpoint are “unpatriotic.”

He is using his status and wealth to pontificate for “all the millionaires” his own personal socialistic political views. I find this guy morally reprehensible.

Let’s talk about patriotism.. One of the very premises this country was founded on was because of the taxation from England with no representation. It was one of the reasons for the revolutionary war.

The 99% all but admit they want to take from the 1% (steal at gunpoint). Where is the representation for the 1%? Don’t tell me it is this fat F*cker.

Now in 2019... we have ideologue billionaires like Warren Buffett literally speaking for millionaires (people worth thousands of times less than him). We have jackasses like the guy in this video thinking it is virtuous to surrender more money to a black hole, but is also too stupid to realize that there is zero connection between wealth redistribution and the advancement of society.

Very few would disagree that we have a pretty great standard of living in the USA... Possibly the best of the larger countries in the world. That said, my question for him would be this... What drove our country to this point? No one in the US needs to go hungry, very very few do. No one in the US works in working conditions like that of just 50 years ago. No one in the US is forced to work long hours. Very few that are truly willing to work are unemployed.

Employees are buying big beautiful homes with very little sacrifice, or risk. They are driving luxurious automobiles and flying on airplanes to go on nice vacations every year. They are playing golf. They are healthier and happier than ever before.

Ask a working class guy from the 1950s what his lifestyle looked like... It was quite different.

Did government do this? HELL No!

The reason for this constant improvement... FREE MARKET Capitalism... Government does not advance society. Evil, greedy, capitalist pigs advance society.

Capitalism begot machinery that reduced human workload.

Capitalism harnessed the energy stored in fuels to further reduce workload.

Capitalism begot railways that spread economies far and wide.

Capitalism begot cars that made capitalist exchange even more efficient within city centers.

Capitalism made air travel affordable for the masses.

Capitalism begot technology that turned us into an information sector economy.

Capitalism creates the value that employs people. Even government indirectly.

Capitalism is virtuous. Win-win, trade-up value exchanges create opportunity for everyone.

All along the way there was a producer that made a killing off of each and every one of these advancements. They deserve it.

What has the government done? Bombs people, jails citizens, blows resources on frivolous endeavors, death marches our soldiers into battle, kills (mostly minority) unborn babies, regulates and creates expensive compliance issues, makes trying to “capitalism” the world forward a living hell and they charge us 40-60 percent of everything we earn for the privilege.

All of this said, the facts are there... The money is much better left with us greedy capitalists.

So build... build the most audacious pile of money you possibly can. Capitalistically exchange your way to the biggest business you possibly can build. Along the way you will provide means for all of your employees and value to your customers and shareholders. The world is better for your efforts... Don’t ever let a fat, pompous, communist F*cker tell you otherwise.

Never cede these truths.


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Either way though you should ignore it , saying its the red or blue teams fault you arent rich is an excuse. Plenty of fastlaners in nordic countries with "socialist" programs , plenty in countries with universal healthcare. Plenty of fastlaners in shitty third world countries too , you think they made money worrying about which dictator was vying for power in their shitty banana republic or by keeping themselves focused on the end goal?

The government WILL play a role, but you're mostly right.

Unless you're in a country with collapsed economy or under a heavy dictatorship (think of North Korea), you have a chance to be in the Fastlane/be a Fastlaner.

I also worry about these, too. Here in the Philippines, at least based on personal experience, there are growing sentiments of socialism and communism around. Hatred towards the capitalists, which is unfortunately fueled by some big corporations here who do squeeze their workers, and the pressing poverty we have so far, contributes to all of these.

To make things worse, at least again based on personal experience, many people here keeps blaming the government and businesses for their problems but never look at themselves. Try to talk them out of their (money) problem, and they'll tell you something like, "Oh you just don't understand me since you're from the middle/upper class!" Then they'll return to their old ugly habits - never save money, for example.

To be fair, we are indeed a poor - but developing - country. But I can't just stand anymore the fact that the victim and slave mentality is tolerated in our culture.

OK, I'm ranting now. But on the better side...

There ARE Filipino Fastlaners who came from poverty.

So think about this: from a poor/developing country + poor person = able to become a Fastlaner.

One of my favorite story is of a once carwash guy who made it in millions just out of savvy and hard work.

His name is Edmar, and his story is featured in a news article. But I personally don't know the guy, but would love to.

At the time, he can't afford college out of poverty so he just ended up a high school graduate. Of course, his best chances of a jobs are the shitty ones - he served as a waiter in various fast food chains before he became a carwash guy.

By the way, being a carwash guy here is so shitty that working as a waiter in a fast food chain is probably more respectable!

When he got the chance you study at TESDA, a government program aimed to hone skills for poor people, he used the skill he learned - something about barista - to start a business. TESDA gives P8,000 (or around $160) once you finished their programs. It can be a big money here!

Together with a few of his savings + P8,000, he was able to start a food cart business selling coffee and chocolate shakes. That's the beginning of his Fastlane business. He worked hard at first, but ultimately he's able to expand it and hire people to work for him.

Sure he had ups and downs - at one point, he almost lost all his money - but managed to get back on top.

Now, he's a millionaire with I think two cars and a nice home. A once poor guy, living in a third world country, now a rich guy.

By the way, he probably doesn't even think about being rich. He just want to get out of poverty! In fact, on his first day in business, he really just want the capital to go back (or break even). He expects a P2,000 ($40) in gross revenue. Guess what, though, he made it to P12,000 ($240).

Moral lesson: I second with @MHP368 that regardless of your government and where you are, and I'll assume you live in a fairly democratic country, you have a chance to be in the Fastlane.
 

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Why these millionaires want to raise taxes on themselves

Check this pompous jackass out... The CNBC host does a decent job of telling it like it is... but wow.

First of all... This guy names his tax and spend liberal organization, “Patriotic Millionaires” as if people that don’t share his viewpoint are “unpatriotic.”

He is using his status and wealth to pontificate for “all the millionaires” his own personal socialistic political views. I find this guy morally reprehensible.

Let’s talk about patriotism.. One of the very premises this country was founded on was because of the taxation from England with no representation. It was one of the reasons for the revolutionary war.

The 99% all but admit they want to take from the 1% (steal at gunpoint). Where is the representation for the 1%? Don’t tell me it is this fat F*cker.

Now in 2019... we have ideologue billionaires like Warren Buffett literally speaking for millionaires (people worth thousands of times less than him). We have jackasses like the guy in this video thinking it is virtuous to surrender more money to a black hole, but is also too stupid to realize that there is zero connection between wealth redistribution and the advancement of society.

Very few would disagree that we have a pretty great standard of living in the USA... Possibly the best of the larger countries in the world. That said, my question for him would be this... What drove our country to this point? No one in the US needs to go hungry, very very few do. No one in the US works in working conditions like that of just 50 years ago. No one in the US is forced to work long hours. Very few that are truly willing to work are unemployed.

Employees are buying big beautiful homes with very little sacrifice, or risk. They are driving luxurious automobiles and flying on airplanes to go on nice vacations every year. They are playing golf. They are eating at restaurants. Leisure has never been more attainable and people are healthier and happier than ever before.

Ask a working class guy from the 1950s what his lifestyle looked like... It was quite different.

Did government do this? HELL No!

The reason for this constant improvement... FREE MARKET Capitalism... Government does not advance society. Evil, greedy, capitalist pigs advance society.

Capitalism begot machinery that reduced human workload.

Capitalism harnessed the energy stored in fuels to further reduce workload.

Capitalism begot railways that spread economies far and wide.

Capitalism begot cars that made capitalist exchange even more efficient within city centers.

Capitalism made air travel affordable for the masses.

Capitalism begot technology that turned us into an information sector economy.

Capitalism has cured and continues to cure diseases.

Capitalism creates the value that employs people. Even government indirectly.

Capitalism is virtuous. Win-win, trade-up value exchanges create opportunity for everyone.

All along the way there was a producer that made a killing off of each and every one of these advancements. They deserve it.

What has the government done? Bombs people, jails citizens, blows resources on frivolous endeavors, death marches our soldiers into battle, kills (mostly minority) unborn babies, regulates and creates expensive compliance issues, writes us speeding tickets, indoctrinates our children, makes trying to “capitalism” the world forward a living hell and they charge us 40-60 percent of everything we earn for the privilege.

So much for “progressivism.”

All of this said, the facts are there... The money is much better left with us greedy capitalists.

So build... build the most audacious pile of money you possibly can. Be an “evil” producer. Capitalistically exchange your way to the biggest business you possibly can build. Along the way you will provide means for all of your employees and value to your customers and shareholders. The value you provide the world is exponential. The working class value is linear. The undeniable fact is that the world is better for your efforts... Don’t ever let a fat, pompous, communist F*cker tell you otherwise.

Never cede these truths.

This makes my day. Month, maybe year. Remind me I owe you lunch if we ever meet in person.
 
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Too bad you’ll be labeled a bigot, racist, misogynist for believing such things.

Let them. No one takes that strawman Alinskyite shit seriously anymore anyway. They’ve cried wolf 10 million too many times. The meanings of those words are so tamped down by modern use it is ridiculous.
 
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Loud politicians aren’t the problem. Idiot voters are.

I am concerned that a wide majority of voting public support 75+ percent taxes on the “wealthy” only basically definied as “not them.”

I am concerned that a wide voting majority supports a retroactive “wealth tax.”

I am concerned when I hear that a voting majority supports a 100% death tax.

Yes, I am concerned.... But no more concerned than I have been for more than a decade. I have always held the notion that when this country no longer makes sense for me to live in, I will leave. I control my life... Not politics.


Pow. Winning comment.

The majority, who walk on the sidewalk and drive in the slow lane, are also the majority that vote on everything else. The erratic majority can’t handle their own personal economics, let alone vote on everyone else’s. Doesn’t have to be liberal or democrat to be anti-capitalist. All these rednecks around me are as hard republican as they can be, but will destroy our economy with the same ignorance they use to mismanage themselves. All they know is that they want more for them and less for you, and they need to see vindication to feel better about themselves.

Even the ones who are self employed, hate entrepreneurs that are doing well. They’re too ignorant to scale their own businesses, so they’ll complain and vote to have anyone doing better than them destroyed with taxation. Their votes scare me, but that’s democracy.

Know, accept and embrace this, or at least know when to exit the situation.
 

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Doesn’t have to be liberal or democrat to be anti-capitalist. All these rednecks around me are as hard republican as they can be, but will destroy our economy with the same ignorance they use to mismanage themselves. All they know is that they want more for them and less for you, and they need to see vindication to feel better about themselves.

I have noticed the same thing. Stupidity crosses the aisle. I’d say 90% of people are the driving force of our intellectual apocalypse.
 
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Why these millionaires want to raise taxes on themselves

Check this pompous jackass out... The CNBC host does a decent job of telling it like it is... but wow.

First of all... This guy names his tax and spend liberal organization, “Patriotic Millionaires” as if people that don’t share his viewpoint are “unpatriotic.”

He is using his status and wealth to pontificate for “all the millionaires” his own personal socialistic political views. I find this guy morally reprehensible.

Let’s talk about patriotism.. One of the very premises this country was founded on was because of the taxation from England with no representation. It was one of the reasons for the revolutionary war.

The 99% all but admit they want to take from the 1% (steal at gunpoint). Where is the representation for the 1%? Don’t tell me it is this fat F*cker.

Now in 2019... we have ideologue billionaires like Warren Buffett literally speaking for millionaires (people worth thousands of times less than him). We have jackasses like the guy in this video thinking it is virtuous to surrender more money to a black hole, but is also too stupid to realize that there is zero connection between wealth redistribution and the advancement of society.

Very few would disagree that we have a pretty great standard of living in the USA... Possibly the best of the larger countries in the world. That said, my question for him would be this... What drove our country to this point? No one in the US needs to go hungry, very very few do. No one in the US works in working conditions like that of just 50 years ago. No one in the US is forced to work long hours. Very few that are truly willing to work are unemployed.

Employees are buying big beautiful homes with very little sacrifice, or risk. They are driving luxurious automobiles and flying on airplanes to go on nice vacations every year. They are playing golf. They are eating at restaurants. Leisure has never been more attainable and people are healthier and happier than ever before.

Ask a working class guy from the 1950s what his lifestyle looked like... It was quite different.

Did government do this? HELL No!

The reason for this constant improvement... FREE MARKET Capitalism... Government does not advance society. Evil, greedy, capitalist pigs advance society.

Capitalism begot machinery that reduced human workload.

Capitalism harnessed the energy stored in fuels to further reduce workload.

Capitalism begot railways that spread economies far and wide.

Capitalism begot cars that made capitalist exchange even more efficient within city centers.

Capitalism made air travel affordable for the masses.

Capitalism begot technology that turned us into an information sector economy.

Capitalism has cured and continues to cure diseases.

Capitalism creates the value that employs people. Even government indirectly.

Capitalism is virtuous. Win-win, trade-up value exchanges create opportunity for everyone.

All along the way there was a producer that made a killing off of each and every one of these advancements. They deserve it.

What has the government done? Bombs people, jails citizens, blows resources on frivolous endeavors, death marches our soldiers into battle, kills (mostly minority) unborn babies, regulates and creates expensive compliance issues, writes us speeding tickets, indoctrinates our children, makes trying to “capitalism” the world forward a living hell and they charge us 40-60 percent of everything we earn for the privilege.

So much for “progressivism.”

All of this said, the facts are there... The money is much better left with us greedy capitalists.

So build... build the most audacious pile of money you possibly can. Be an “evil” producer. Capitalistically exchange your way to the biggest business you possibly can build. Along the way you will provide means for all of your employees and value to your customers and shareholders. The value you provide the world is exponential. The working class value is linear. The undeniable fact is that the world is better for your efforts... Don’t ever let a fat, pompous, communist F*cker tell you otherwise.

Never cede these truths.
Wow. Beautiful post.
 

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It's a well known fact that Lenin used to be an landowner himself and sued (!) starving farmers for stealing crops from his land during famine. Lenin didn't give a F*ck about people, rich or poor, he hated people in general. Good base for a totalitarian regime, don't you think?

But it's probably a lie spread by the CIA.



You think living under the nazi regime would be worse than living under Soviet regime? Please talk to some people in Europe that saw both. If Stalin didn't have millions of men to use as cannon fodder, we wouldn't even talk about Stalin right now. That and because the Germans heavily underestimated the long and bad supply lines (like Napoleon did). After the war he was celebrated as a hero because "he stopped the Germans". Well, sorry to bust your Stalin-ideal, but he sucked. Soviet army was terrible. They couldn't even beat a minuscule Finnish army.

That's just classic Soviet-heroism-propaganda that is apparently still stuck in your brain.



You looked into those one by one? And then you assumed it didn't happen. This is identical behavior as neo-nazis denying holocaust. It doesn't fit in your opinion, so let's just ignore cold hard facts.



It doesn't matter if they killed millions, or hundreds of thousands or hundreds even. They were tortured, raped, killed, because they had other ideas. Or because somebody else said they had other ideas. Isn't that enough?

Now I remember why you were on my ignore-list. You are a Soviet crime denier. I don't understand what you're still doing here on an entrepreneur forum. You'd make a great political commissar in North-Korea under Kim Jong-un, the great Hero who won WW III with nuclear superior weapons against US and A from Trump.

So poor supply lines and millions of poor russian cannon fodder defeated nazis.
ok if you say so.

I didn't make my arguments personal, but it seems ur going in that direction so whatever.
I can equally say you got McCarthyism and the red scare propaganda stuck in your head.

As far as entrepreneurship goes, I believe in the freedom to run a business. You won't get any arguments from me on that front.
 
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So poor supply lines and millions of poor russian cannon fodder defeated nazis.
ok if you say so.

Scorched earth, ever heard of?

Germany: between 4.4M and 5.3M casualties (in total in WW2, all fronts).
Soviet-Union: between 8.6M and 11.4M casualties.
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"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem."
- Stalin, Man of Steel, Great Leader and Noble Father of all Soviet-children.

I didn't make my arguments personal, but it seems ur going in that direction so whatever.
I can equally say you got McCarthyism and the red scare propaganda stuck in your head.

People tend to minimize crimes against humanity for some personal reason. I have nothing personal to do with the Soviet-butchery, I just can't stand selective ignorance.

Raised and live in Europe btw, pretty immune for American indoctrination too. Every country has a blood soaked history. Geez, one of the kings of my country was responsible for one of the biggest genocides in Africa (Leopold II). Should I just ignore those facts and call him a great man too? I rather don't.

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But thanks for the brilliant victory, Stalin! Europe loves you! Eastern-Europe was so much better off with your Red Terror :praise::clap::
 
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Scorched earth, ever heard of?

Germany: between 4.4M and 5.3M casualties (in total in WW2, all fronts).
Soviet-Union: between 8.6M and 11.4M casualties.
7m9i4q1snpn01.jpg


"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem."
- Stalin, Man of Steel, Great Leader and Noble Father of all Soviet-children.



People tend to minimize crimes against humanity for some personal reason. I have nothing personal to do with the Soviet-butchery, I just can't stand selective ignorance.

Raised and live in Europe btw, pretty immune for American indoctrination too. Every country has a blood soaked history. Geez, one of the kings of my country was responsible for one of the biggest genocides in Africa (Leopold II). Should I just ignore those facts and call him a great man too? I rather don't.

scumbag-soviet-union_o_4346529.jpg


But thanks for the brilliant victory, Stalin! Europe loves you! Eastern-Europe was so much better off with your Red Terror :praise::clap::

It was a lot more than 11M. The nazis were trying to commit genocide on the russians.

The whole "more bullets than people" is propaganda. I've visited historical forums who debated this topic. In reality by 1940 the Soviet Army was industrialized and had plenty of bullets to go around.

I'm tellin you i don't believe the Soviet regime casualty numbers thrown out there.
There's not even a consensus! you see death counts ranging from <10 million to F*ckin 80 million.

Honestly the only reason i ever got curious about how EVIL stalin and Soviet Union really was, was because it's been pretty brutally demonized.
As a Russian I just needed to see the evidence for myself.
I started googling this stuff with an open mind, if it was really that bad than ok history is history.

But honestly all i saw was even a lack of consensus on the casualty numbers themselves.
I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Obviously there's no world powers out there that are soft and fluffy all around.

As far as Iron Curtain, yea i bet there were nationalists in the soviet bloc who wanted full independence for their countries.
At the same time, there were plenty who felt the communists were liberators and wanted to be part of the Soviet Union.
Its not all black and white.

I'm sure some people in Hawaii and Puerto Rico feel the same way about the United States, but it is what it is!
 

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It was a lot more than 11M. The nazis were trying to commit genocide on the russians.

Those numbers were military casualties only.

The whole "more bullets than people" is propaganda. I've visited historical forums who debated this topic. In reality by 1940 the Soviet Army was industrialized and had plenty of bullets to go around.

That was a joke that you are taking literally. Yes, Soviet Army was industrialized, badly, like the rest of their "industry". They were incompetent as F*ck.

Here's some more numbers about the Superior Red Army in 1940:
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I'm tellin you i don't believe the Soviet regime casualty numbers thrown out there.
There's not even a consensus! you see death counts ranging from <10 million to F*ckin 80 million.

I'm telling you numbers of the victims of his terror regime aren't even relevant. Same argument is often used by neo-nazis denying the holocaust. What does matter is that people were killed for not supporting the State, which is pure terror. If you're ok with that, you are probably living in the wrong state.

Honestly the only reason i ever got curious about how EVIL stalin and Soviet Union really was, was because it's been pretty brutally demonized.
As a Russian I just needed to see the evidence for myself.
I started googling this stuff with an open mind, if it was really that bad than ok history is history.

Like I said, selective ignorance. You believe what you want to believe.

Why would one source contain more truth than another for you? Because you want to believe it, it fits in your vision. That's what most people do. If you would "start this googling stuff with an open mind", you would at least admit that he caused serious crimes against humanity.

I can find "evidence" on Google that the holocaust was a hoax. But I choose not to believe those. Why? Because people that spread those sources have agendas, like spreading hate to other cultures and people.
Interpreting history means you question all sources, apart from your own opinion. And 99% of (also Russian) historians agree that the Stalin regime was pure terror. But those 1% probably speaks the truth for you, fine.

As far as Iron Curtain, yea i bet there were nationalists in the soviet bloc who wanted full independence for their countries.
At the same time, there were plenty who felt the communists were liberators and wanted to be part of the Soviet Union.
Its not all black and white.

I'm sure some people in Hawaii and Puerto Rico feel the same way about the United States, but it is what it is!

So one side is nationalist and the other side is communist, seems like you yourself are seeing it black and white?

The "liberators" become "occupiers". Most people just wanted to get rid of the totalitarian regime that was orchestrated from Moscow. Want examples? Prague Spring, Hungarian Revolution, Poznan Protests... Of course all followed by a blood bath. Those weren't just "nationalists", they were being occupied by the Soviets for almost 50 years just like the nazis occupied countries for 4-5 years! Nationalism was fed by this, yes. Soviets were even deporting whole families to gulags just for being Latvian, Estonian, Polish, or whatever (these are known facts). The few ones that supported the communists had usually good reasons for that, like having a good job or getting some favors.

Seriously, if it was all that good, they wouldn't ditch this Red Terror like all those countries did starting 1989.

Perhaps you should go see for yourself and go visit Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine and see what this Red Terror did with those people instead of "doing serious research" on Google safely behind your computer.
 

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