Kickstarter project for Sand Battery project

[Michael Moore]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone has run a kickstarter campaign or has any advice on how to run them successfully. I checked the forum and couldnt really find any threads.

I've developed a domestic sand battery unit and my goal is to get the word out about it and to find funds to improver the unit and its capabilities.

This is a sand battery by the way: commercial edition.

What is a sand battery? — Polar Night Energy




Getting these into the hands of more businesses and home owners would reduce their heating bills as the burner unit is to be a HHO unit that is ESG compliant and Carbon neutral and eventually a electricity generator attached to produce up to 7,5kw of energy as the heated sand produces steam which then can be used to produce electricity.

Anyway, would love a bit of advice or to be pointed in the right direction.

Thanks!
Michael

 

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[Xavier X]

Sounds like a great project. I've always thought small scale energy production needs a lot more innovation in this direction, especially for heating. Some thoughts:

1. When using technical terms or abbreviations, like "HHO," it helps to communicate what it is, as many won't know.
2. I'm not the biggest fan of Linkedin, but I think if you position it properly and if it's at least "cleaner" energy, you might get some bites. I say "cleaner," because it still depends on traditional energy sources (I believe).
3. Kickstarter can be good for such campaigns, but the target audience will need some convincing. You might need to make elaborate videos showing the system in action. This means you'll need to market aggressively weeks before the campaign launches.
4. Compile a list of influencers in the space and message them to help spread the word. Most will ignore it, but if 1 or 2 agree, it might make a difference. Good luck!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Here's some threads for Kickstarter...

kickstarter

www.thefastlaneforum.com

I've developed a domestic sand battery unit and my goal is to get the word out about it and to find funds to improver the unit and its capabilities.

Can't speak for Nordic countries, but this would never work here in the states (maybe Alaska would work?) due to its size. Most homeowners would view it as an eye-sore because it is far too big. Can it be buried?

 

[alexkuzmov]

The pitch sounds strange and confusing.

In the first post you wrote carbon neutral, in the post after that you wrote carbon negative.

But the tank is heated using a oil/gas burner?
Obviously a carbon positive process.

Also whats the point of heating sand and then using the heat to power something?
Ita much more energy efficient to use the burner to generate electricity when needed

 

[Michael Moore]

The pitch sounds strange and confusing.

In the first post you wrote carbon neutral, in the post after that you wrote carbon negative.

But the tank is heated using a oil/gas burner?
Obviously a carbon positive process.

Also whats the point of heating sand and then using the heat to power something?
Ita much more energy efficient to use the burner to generate electricity when needed

My apologies for the confusion. Initially until I find funding to certify a HHO ( Electrolysis derived Hydrogen gas burner ) , the units can be heated with already existing fuel gas/oil burners. It is to get users making immediate heating savings as the heated sand stays very warm for much longer(Potentially a couop;e of weeks ) than just heating your water cylinder to 75'centigrade.

 

[Michael Moore]

Here's some threads for Kickstarter...

kickstarter

www.thefastlaneforum.com

Can't speak for Nordic countries, but this would never work here in the states (maybe Alaska would work?) due to its size. Most homeowners would view it as an eye-sore because it is far too big. Can it be buried?

Ideally it would be hiden behind a garage or possibly buried. The idea of a larger tank is that the higher quantity of sand stays hot for several weeks which suits larger houses and off grid types , it also allows a larger heat store to produce steam for the electricity generator that also needs certification funding. A standard domestic sized unit with proper insulation should only have a footprint of 4 wide by 6 feet long.
Water can only be hated to 100 degrees C before it turns to steam but the sand can be heated to several 100s of degrees and with a small coiled copper pipe running through the sand the water from your main cylinder is heated by passing water through this coil back to the domestic hot water cylinder when ever the domestic tank needs reheating.
Heat the sand once every 2 weeks instead of turning your heating on twice a day in your house.
Think of the sand batery as a large thermal sump.

 

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[Sirrom]

I am in the commercial energy storage sector. My company also does some residential.

1. What is your usp compared to new LFP, Graphite and Saltwater batteries? Is it mostly the duration? How small can you make them? Small enough to scale?

Have you taken energy markets in account? I presume the cheapest way to heat would be using their own solar? At least in my country it would.

 

[Michael Moore]

I am in the commercial energy storage sector. My company also does some residential.

1. What is your usp compared to new LFP, Graphite and Saltwater batteries? Is it mostly the duration? How small can you make them? Small enough to scale?

Have you taken energy markets in account? I presume the cheapest way to heat would be using their own solar? At least in my country it would.

These units are designed to be heated at most once a week in comparison to turning on your heating every day.
The minumum square footage I would recommend for a 2000 sq ft house would be a tank that can hold 2000 kilos of sand , plus the ancillary water tank that feeds the main house domestic heating unit.
Energy prices are set to rise after the election in the US and the increased war capacity of the Neocons in Ukraine etc.
scaliing is a potential Franchisee oppertunity.

 

[alexkuzmov]

My apologies for the confusion. Initially until I find funding to certify a HHO ( Electrolysis derived Hydrogen gas burner ) , the units can be heated with already existing fuel gas/oil burners. It is to get users making immediate heating savings as the heated sand stays very warm for much longer(Potentially a couop;e of weeks ) than just heating your water cylinder to 75'centigrade.

Would you post some of your math? Namely:

1. Heat capacity of the sand container at 250C, how much joules are we looking at?
2. How much fuel in liters to heat up the sand container from 20C lets say to 250C? Ignore the time it taskes.
Also please specify the fuel and the energy density of the fuel.
3. What is the termal conductivity in W/m·K of the gas between the sand grains?
4. How much surfice area do the pipes have, which will be in contact for heat transfer when extracting the energy?

Any other info would also be great if you have it on hand, would love to examine your calculations.