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In what way have I conned anyone? Everything I have said is true and the information that was presented was also true:

1. Yes, when we tried to sell shares in the company there was a mistake with the prospectus and we did not correct it until it was too late to do so. No criminal intent, just pure stupidity. If it was criminal, then I would be in jail by now. I'm not that smart. I wish I where, though. This was 2 years ago.

2. The startupproworld website is not intended to be a nice looking website. It is supposed to present the offer and be a lead generating site more than anything else. And, no one is forced to deal with me or my company. I don't deal with anyone who comes up to my door either. And I say this again: If the offer doesn't entice, then why would a nice webdesign entice a lead to buy (isn't that a little manipulative in itself:)?)?

3. The networth claim I have made on this forum is fully true (It's actually higher). After the prospectus incident I did sell shares (as mentioned in my Success Story) to a few, very quailified group of private investors in a non-public offer lead by a swedish woman called Susanne.

4. About the thommath website. It is not up and running because it basicly got bad reputation after the prospectus incident. I had to change the company name and domain name as a result in order to carry on. One mistake can cost a lot. Nothing criminal, any business with such a problem would have done it and still do. Nothing strange at all.

If you think I am full of BS, as mentioned in the now closed thread (part 1 of this thread), then that is nothing I can change. But calling me a con, even a serial con-man, when there is no con to talk about (because nothing I have said has been a lie. I have, for obvious reasons, excluded details. No one are obligated to give details to private individuals and why should they when this is the exhange they get dealt?) is, too me, strange (but this is not the first time you call me vile names. You seem to like discovering hidden agendas, like those conspiratory experts out there).

If I had been a con-man, do you really think I would be a free man today? Do you really think I am that smart? If yes, then you think more of me than I do. I am flattered. I am pretty sure many of you guys are smarter than me, I am sure of it. The thing I have is that I am very brash as you have pointed out already (many times) and I am sure that is what you are mostly angry at. Being brash is never popular. But you have to get used to it, because I am not the only business guy who have an agressive, but non-criminal (note the non-criminal part), business attitude. Other guys would have sued this website and the owner behind it many times over for libel by now. Personally, I am considering it. There are plenty of material to use. Your not the only guys in town who can play dirty.

I have given you many opportunities to play nice, but a few of you never took it. Many of you with no stamina followed suit. I have tried to respect you and give straight forward opinions. Although hard on you from time to time. Many of them drawn from my own mistakes and stupidity (one of them being the one with the prospectus). If there is someone to learn from, I would absolutly be one of those guys. There is a story about a guy who says "If I had the opportunity to chose which ricksha driver to go with, I would go with the guy who had crashed the most rickshas. Because he knows what he is talking about".

I am still sceptic about your own real time experience in business. Either you don't do business for a living or you do business with incredibly honest people. If the later part is true, then I can only congratulate you to your big luck. The rest of the world is not that straight forward and mistakes are very common. Even billionaires on the forbes list find themselfs in big trouble from time to time. Are they big time criminals? No, but mistakes are easy to find yourself in, especially in the finance industry where there are laws for everything. You can't find a more regulated area than the finance industry. So hold you horses my fellow accusers. Play that game first and then come back and tell me how many mistakes you have made.

And let's not forget, all of the posts I have written on this forum has been free of charge. All you guys needed to do was to say: "I believe it and I will try it out" or "no way, this is nothing for me". Nothing here is forced upon you. And nothing I sell is forced upon you. I wouldn't imagine working with or selling to those of you with a quest for the big scoop of the decade anyway:). You are truly a crazy bunch of people.
 
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Gepudlt--

Op vji gostv vjsief, ov xet nipvoupif vjev tuni nincist jisi jef fotvascoph opgu ecuav zua (us zuas catopitt wipvasit) vjev nefi vjin simadvepv vu vsatv zua us xusl x/zua.

Tu O'f moli vu dmies vji eos, xovj zuas qisnottoup.

Gepudlt-- xuamf zua ci xommoph vu jewi uvjist qutv vjios dupdispt/vjopht vjiz'wi guapf ecuav zua, tu vjev zua dep "dmies vji eos"?

Tu zua dep effsitt iedj ug vjiti dupdispt, epf vsz vu situmwi vjin?

Us xuamf zua sevjis vjiz liiq raoiv, gus gies ug cioph taif cz zua gus tmepfis?

Zuas djuodi. O jupitvmz fup'v vjopl vjot dunnapovz ot huoph vu vsatv zua apmitt vjiti ottait esi situmwif.

-Satt J.
 
Gepudlt--

Op vji gostv vjsief, ov xet nipvoupif vjev tuni nincist jisi jef fotvascoph opgu ecuav zua (us zuas catopitt wipvasit) vjev nefi vjin simadvepv vu vsatv zua us xusl x/zua.

Tu O'f moli vu dmies vji eos, xovj zuas qisnottoup.

Gepudlt-- xuamf zua ci xommoph vu jewi uvjist qutv vjios dupdispt/vjopht vjiz'wi guapf ecuav zua, tu vjev zua dep "dmies vji eos"?

Tu zua dep effsitt iedj ug vjiti dupdispt, epf vsz vu situmwi vjin?

Us xuamf zua sevjis vjiz liiq raoiv, gus gies ug cioph taif cz zua gus tmepfis?

Zuas djuodi. O jupitvmz fup'v vjopl vjot dunnapovz ot huoph vu vsatv zua apmitt vjiti ottait esi situmwif.

-Satt J.

Satt, gsun vji wisz cihoppoph O jewi ciip wisz gusvjsohjv ecuav puv tmepfisoph qiuqmi (niepoph uvjis nincist xjodj gsiraipvmz jeqqipt jisi) epf itqidoemmz puv tmepfisoph ni. O jewi pu vsuacmi taoph qiuqmi epf hivvoph nz sohjv vjev xez og O jewi vu. O cimuph vu vji nusi dsafis vzqit ug catopittqiuqmi. Vjisi esi foqmunevod vzqit epf vjisi esi nz vzqi. Nz vzqi fup'v jewi epz opvisitv op fiemoph xovj vjot lopf ug djomfotj cijewouas.

Cav, O en xommoph vu eptxis simiwepv epf tisouat raitvoupt. Cetodmz fai vu zua hazt jewoph e wisz gmexif woix ug ni epf nz qistup. O en e wisz qsowevi haz. O en puv vji upmz ipvsiqsipias xovj vjot woix ug catopitt. Gix jewi epz sitqidv gus vjot epf demm zua e dsonopem sohjv ug vji cev katv cideati zua fup'v xepv vu fotdmuti iwiszvjoph zua uxp, fotdmuti zuas cecoit peni us zua xogit peni epf xjev jewi zua.

O xomm eptxis vjuti vjopht vjev O fiin simiwepv. Og vjev ot puv huuf ipuahj gus zua, vjip vjev ot puv nz qsucmin. O dep'v sidemm ni demmoph zua (puvi: iwisz nincis up vjot gusan) up zuas medl ug fiveomt. Iwip og zua esi nusi fiveomif vjep ni vjisi esi tvomm commoupt ug vjopht O fup'v lpux ecuav zua us zuas catopitt wipvasi. Cav O fup'v foh gasvjis cideati O apfistvepf vji qsowedz etqidv ug vjopht. Tuni vjopht zua mihemmz dep'v fotdatt ecuav epf tuni vjopht zua katv fup'v xepv vu veml ecuav. Vjev ot demmif navaem sitqidv epf vjev ot tunivjoph zua hazt ucwouatmz fup'v apfistvepf vji figopovoup ug.

Et O teof op nz gostv qutv up vjot vjsief: O fu catopitt upmz xovj e timidv gix epf O upmz hiv dmuti vu gix qiuqmi, O fup'v tii xjz O tjuamf djesn epzupi. O tvomm fup'v apfistvepf xjz O tjuamf iyqmeop nztimg gasvjis og O tjuamf ci jupitv (et nipvoupif: fu catopitt us fu puv fu catopitt xovj ni. O fup'v desi e cov. O emsiefz fu e muv ug catopitt epf iesp ipuahj nupiz vu ci jeqqz. O qsuwofi e tiswodi epf og zua vjopl vjev tiswodi ot puv ug wemai xjevtuiwis, vjip tu ci ov. Xjev dep O fu ecuav vjev epzjux?).

Cav O xomm howi ov e vsz, og zua hu up xovj nusi mocim detit jisi O xomm duptamv nz mexzis epf hu ejief epf tii og O en madlz (zua lpux O en puv gusiohp vu veloph e hencmi). Pu nusi foqmunedz egvis vjev. Et zua emm, qsivvz nadj, lpux vjisi ot e siedvoup vu iwisz edvoup. Zua katv dep'v xeml esuapf demmoph qiuqmi dup-nip, itqidoemmz puv xovj tadj raitvoupecmi gedvt zua jewi qav gusvj jisi. Jewip'v zua miespv epzvjoph gsun zuas ziest op catopitt? O en taqsotif pu upi jewi velip zua vu duasv ziv. Wisz tasqsotif.
 
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Satt, gsun vji wisz cihoppoph O jewi ciip wisz gusvjsohjv ecuav puv tmepfisoph qiuqmi (niepoph uvjis nincist xjodj gsiraipvmz jeqqipt jisi) epf itqidoemmz puv tmepfisoph ni. O jewi pu vsuacmi taoph qiuqmi epf hivvoph nz sohjv vjev xez og O jewi vu. O cimuph vu vji nusi dsafis vzqit ug catopittqiuqmi. Vjisi esi foqmunevod vzqit epf vjisi esi nz vzqi. Nz vzqi fup'v jewi epz opvisitv op fiemoph xovj vjot lopf ug djomfotj cijewouas.

Cav, O en xommoph vu eptxis simiwepv epf tisouat raitvoupt. Cetodmz fai vu zua hazt jewoph e wisz gmexif woix ug ni epf nz qistup. O en e wisz qsowevi haz. O en puv vji upmz ipvsiqsipias xovj vjot woix ug catopitt. Gix jewi epz sitqidv gus vjot epf demm zua e dsonopem sohjv ug vji cev katv cideati zua fup'v xepv vu fotdmuti iwiszvjoph zua uxp, fotdmuti zuas cecoit peni us zua xogit peni epf xjev jewi zua.

O xomm eptxis vjuti vjopht vjev O fiin simiwepv. Og vjev ot puv huuf ipuahj gus zua, vjip vjev ot puv nz qsucmin. O dep'v sidemm ni demmoph zua (puvi: iwisz nincis up vjot gusan) up zuas medl ug fiveomt. Iwip og zua esi nusi fiveomif vjep ni vjisi esi tvomm commoupt ug vjopht O fup'v lpux ecuav zua us zuas catopitt wipvasi. Cav O fup'v foh gasvjis cideati O apfistvepf vji qsowedz etqidv ug vjopht. Tuni vjopht zua mihemmz dep'v fotdatt ecuav epf tuni vjopht zua katv fup'v xepv vu veml ecuav. Vjev ot demmif navaem sitqidv epf vjev ot tunivjoph zua hazt ucwouatmz fup'v apfistvepf vji figopovoup ug.

Et O teof op nz gostv qutv up vjot vjsief: O fu catopitt upmz xovj e timidv gix epf O upmz hiv dmuti vu gix qiuqmi, O fup'v tii xjz O tjuamf djesn epzupi. O tvomm fup'v apfistvepf xjz O tjuamf iyqmeop nztimg gasvjis og O tjuamf ci jupitv (et nipvoupif: fu catopitt us fu puv fu catopitt xovj ni. O fup'v desi e cov. O emsiefz fu e muv ug catopitt epf iesp ipuahj nupiz vu ci jeqqz. O qsuwofi e tiswodi epf og zua vjopl vjev tiswodi ot puv ug wemai xjevtuiwis, vjip tu ci ov. Xjev dep O fu ecuav vjev epzjux?).

Cav O xomm howi ov e vsz, og zua hu up xovj nusi mocim detit jisi O xomm duptamv nz mexzis epf hu ejief epf tii og O en madlz (zua lpux O en puv gusiohp vu veloph e hencmi). Pu nusi foqmunedz egvis vjev. Et zua emm, qsivvz nadj, lpux vjisi ot e siedvoup vu iwisz edvoup. Zua katv dep'v xeml esuapf demmoph qiuqmi dup-nip, itqidoemmz puv xovj tadj raitvoupecmi gedvt zua jewi qav gusvj jisi. Jewip'v zua miespv epzvjoph gsun zuas ziest op catopitt? O en taqsotif pu upi jewi velip zua vu duasv ziv. Wisz tasqsotif.

Gepudlt: Et zua lpux, e tonqmi dunnipv nefi et e kuli (o.i. "zuas nuvjis xiest esnz cuuvt") duamf ci velip et mocimuat us figenevusz, epf tuniupi duamf csoph taov gus tunivjoph moli vjot.

Howip zuas tvevif opvipv vu tai og zua duptofis e tvevinipv mocim, ov fuit puv tiin vjev "dmiesoph vji eos" ot gietocmi, ev mietv op vji neppis O katv qsuqutif.

-Satt J.
 
Gepudlt: Et zua lpux, e tonqmi dunnipv nefi et e kuli (o.i. "zuas nuvjis xiest esnz cuuvt") duamf ci velip et mocimuat us figenevusz, epf tuniupi duamf csoph taov gus tunivjoph moli vjot.

Howip zuas tvevif opvipv vu tai og zua duptofis e tvevinipv mocim, ov fuit puv tiin vjev "dmiesoph vji eos" ot gietocmi, ev mietv op vji neppis O katv qsuqutif.

-Satt J.

O xuamf duptofis eptxisoph vjopht vjev O fiinif simiwepv (puv taoph cideati tuniupi xsuvi e raitvoup).

Cav vji "dup-nep" dunnipv xomm ci tunivjoph O xomm duptofis taoph up. Epf O xomm tai QjyNK cideati ji ot vji haz xju ot amvonevimz sitquptocmi gus vji qacmotjif dupvipv.

Og QjyNK sinuwit emm ug vji figenevusz dupvipv ecuav ni cioph e dup-nep us ni cioph epzvjoph dsonopem ev emm, vjip O xomm puv duptofis taoph. Vjip vji deti ot tivvmif epf iwiszupi dep xeml exez jeqqz epf dupvipv.

Cav fup'v cimoiwi gus e tidupf vjev O xomm tov jisi epf tadl vjot vjoph aq. Pu xez. O jewip'v ciip dupwodvif gus cioph e dup-nep (us epzvjoph dsonopem gus vjev nevvis) epf jipdi tjuamfp'v ci demmif e dup-nep us e dsonopem ug epz lopf. Og zua demm vji "dup-nep" eddatevoup geos, vjip O demm e mextaov geos.

Miv at ci hsuxp aq epf tumwi vjot cigusi Udvucis 25vj 2009.
 
fanocks2003 said:
O xuamf duptofis eptxisoph vjopht vjev O fiinif simiwepv (puv taoph cideati tuniupi xsuvi e raitvoup).

Cav vji "dup-nep" dunnipv xomm ci tunivjoph O xomm duptofis taoph up. Epf O xomm tai QjyNK cideati ji ot vji haz xju ot amvonevimz sitquptocmi gus vji qacmotjif dupvipv.

Og QjyNK sinuwit emm ug vji figenevusz dupvipv ecuav ni cioph e dup-nep us ni cioph epzvjoph dsonopem ev emm, vjip O xomm puv duptofis taoph. Vjip vji deti ot tivvmif epf iwiszupi dep xeml exez jeqqz epf dupvipv.

Cav fup'v cimoiwi gus e tidupf vjev O xomm tov jisi epf tadl vjot vjoph aq. Pu xez. O jewip'v ciip dupwodvif gus cioph e dup-nep (us epzvjoph dsonopem gus vjev nevvis) epf jipdi tjuamfp'v ci demmif e dup-nep us e dsonopem ug epz lopf. Og zua demm vji "dup-nep" eddatevoup geos, vjip O demm e mextaov geos.

Miv at ci hsuxp aq epf tumwi vjot cigusi Udvucis 25vj 2009.

Vjepl zua gus zuas sitqupti.

-Satt J.
 
Nz huf xjisi fu O tvesv ...

Jux ecuav vjot qodvasi?


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2. Vji tvesvaqqsuxusmf xictovi ot puv opvipfif vu ci e podi muuloph xictovi.

Hii siemmz, xjev hewi ov exez? Vji tqimmoph issust? Vji exituni qovdj? Vji qmie vu tipf "$3,000", xosoph optvsadvoupt, epf exeov e ZIT us PU? Uj O hiv ov, ovt e mief hipisevoup tovi gus hammocmi qiuqmi.

Uvjis hazt xuamf jewi taif vjot xictovi epf vji uxpis cijopf ov nepz vonit uwis gus mocim cz pux.

O xomm duptamv nz mexzis epf hu ejief epf tii og O en madlz

O tii vjev ot e vzqodem qmez gsun zuas qmezcuul, cetif up emm vji opgusnevoup up vji opvispiv. Cav pu xussoit, O xomm iptasi zuas peni ot piwis nipvoupif eheop epf vji vjsief op raitvoup xomm ci sinuwif.

Jewi gap djetoph vjev raodl cadl epf jewi e podi mogi.
 
Ziej mivt hu ejief epf veli vji nittehi cuesf vjot tisouat, mum. O en qsivvz tasi raitvoupt dep ci eptxisif. Ji xet edatif, Pux xi esi puv vji duasv ug mex, epf o en tasi pucufz jisi xepvt vu hiv op tadj qsifodenipv epf xeotv ug voni. Xjevt vji upmz vjoph ji dep muti? Sitqidv epf Vsatv.
 
O xomm eptxis vjuti vjopht vjev O fiin simiwepv.

Pagg teof.

Pux xjisi ot vjev ohpusi cavvup?
Ejj vjisi ov ........
 
Pagg teof.

Pux xjisi ot vjev ohpusi cavvup?
Ejj vjisi ov ........

Pu piif, O ceppif jon. O emtu fimivif vji uvjis vjsief op raitvoup topdi ji *uggodoemmz* siraitvif ov.
 
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