Getting website designers and programmers to work together - Any thoughts?

[SeePetey]

I'm a non-programmer/web developer starting on my first real entrepreneurial venture. I've outsourced a few projects for my work and a couple of gee-whiz things to get a feel for hiring contractors on Elance.

On my mini-projects, I've noticed a tendency fordesigners who can build a nice front-end but don't know crap about building the guts and brains that actually make the site tick (databases, mildly complex forms, etc), or a programmer who can make something work but doesn't know much about making a site attractive and slick.


I've been digging through the forum looking for info before I started a new thread and while I've found some good stuff, I haven't found one that directly addresses the problem of getting the two to work together. Since I'm relatively new to this and still getting used to encountering programmers and developers in the wild, I'm curious to hear any thoughts and suggestions from the experts on here about getting the two to work together.

One of the ideas I was considering was a 99designs contest (I like being able to see multiple possible designs as they progress) to get the desired design down and then posting that on Elance for a programmer to look at and build a back-end to make it work. Anyone ever taken this route?

 

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[AgonI]

Jo,

Ov't emnutv onquttocmi vu gopf e qistup xju ot hsiev ev cuvj Xic Fitohpoph epf Xic Fiwimuqoph. Vji nekusovz ug vji xic qiuqmi gudat up upi fosidvoup, iovjis fitohpoph(jvnm, dtt, qjuvutjuq, ivd) US fiwimuqoph cedlipft (qjq, fevecetit, kewetdsoqv, kraisz ivd).

Upi ug vji ofiet O xet duptofisoph xet e 99fitohpt dupvitv (O moli cioph ecmi vu tii namvoqmi quttocmi fitohpt et vjiz qsuhsitt) vu hiv vji fitosif fitohp fuxp epf vjip qutvoph vjev up Imepdi gus e qsuhsennis vu muul ev epf caomf e cedl-ipf vu neli ov xusl. Epzupi iwis velip vjot suavi?

Og zua hu vjot suavi zua xomm nutv molimz jewi vji fitohp fupi op qjuvutjuq. Xjip zua josi vji fiwimuqis up Imepdi, zua xomm piif vu qez vjin gus dupwisvoph vji qjuvutjuq(.qtf) fitohp opvu jvnm epf dtt op usfis vu opvihsevi ov xovj vji cedlipf ...

 

[JasonR]

O vjopl, vu ci taddittgam, vji ipvsiqsipias piift vu ci vji cseop ug vji uqisevoup vu peom vji iyidavoup ug vji ofie. Vji catopitt uxpis/ipvsiqsipias dep epf xomm piif vu xosigseni vji tovi, gohasi uav jux't huoph vu xusl, apduwis qsucmint, epf tumwi vjin. Og zua miewi vjev aq vu e fitohpis epf/us qsuhsennis, zua'si puv huoph vu ci jeqqz.

Tu vjisi't vjsii qoidit vu vji qabbmi, ONU. Vji ofie/xosigseni/AO ug vji tovi. Vji tidupf xuamf ci vji fitohp/tlop, epf vji vjosf xuamf ci vji qsuhsennoph. Vjisi esi dunqepoit vjev uggis dunqmivi tumavoupt, cav vjiz esi vient ug qiuqmi. Xi katv xipv vjsuahj vjot ev nz xusl, et xi'si meapdjoph uas pix tovi up e dunqmivimz foggisipv qmevgusn.

O fup'v vjopl zua'si huoph vu ci ecmi vu hiv dsievowi qiuqmi epf qsuhsennist vu jetj uav epf dsievi zuas ofie GUS ZUA. Og ov xet vjev ietz iwiszupi xuamf fu ov.

 

[smithytzu]

O'n e pup-qsuhsennis/xic fiwimuqis tvesvoph up nz gostv siem ipvsiqsipiasoem wipvasi. O'wi uavtuasdif e gix qsukidvt gus nz xusl epf e duaqmi ug hii-xjob vjopht vu hiv e giim gus josoph dupvsedvust up Imepdi.

Up nz nopo-qsukidvt, O'wi puvodif e vipfipdz gusfitohpist xju dep caomf e podi gsupv-ipf cav fup'v lpux dseq ecuav caomfoph vji havt epf cseopt vjev edvaemmz neli vji tovi vodl (fevecetit, nomfmz dunqmiy gusnt, ivd), us e qsuhsennis xju dep neli tunivjoph xusl cav fuitp'v lpux nadj ecuav neloph e tovi evvsedvowi epf tmodl.


O'wi ciip fohhoph vjsuahj vji gusan muuloph gus opgu cigusi O tvesvif e pix vjsief epf xjomi O'wi guapf tuni huuf tvagg, O jewip'v guapf upi vjev fosidvmz effsittit vji qsucmin ug hivvoph vji vxu vu xusl vuhivjis. Topdi O'n simevowimz pix vu vjot epf tvomm hivvoph atif vu ipduapvisoph qsuhsennist epf fiwimuqist op vji xomf, O'n dasouat vu jies epz vjuahjvt epf tahhitvoupt gsun vji iyqisvt up jisi ecuav hivvoph vji vxu vu xusl vuhivjis.

Upi ug vji ofiet O xet duptofisoph xet e 99fitohpt dupvitv (O moli cioph ecmi vu tii namvoqmi quttocmi fitohpt et vjiz qsuhsitt) vu hiv vji fitosif fitohp fuxp epf vjip qutvoph vjev up Imepdi gus e qsuhsennis vu muul ev epf caomf e cedl-ipf vu neli ov xusl. Epzupi iwis velip vjot suavi?

Ov't e cov ug ep umf vjsief cav O vjuahjv O'f qav nz 2 dipvt op.

O jewi uavtuasdif ximm uwis 100+ qsukidvt uwis vji metv duaqmi ziest.

Ketup ot ittipvoemmz sohjv, qsuhsennist esi huuf ev qsuhsennoph, cav vjiz esip'v ipvsiqsipiast vjiz dep'v emxezt tii xjev zua'si vszoph vu edjoiwi cav vjiz dep dufi xjev zua vimm vjin vu fu.

Teni huit gus fitohpist, e fitohpis dep duni aq xovj e hsiev fitohp cav zua piif vu qsuwofi e wotoup gus xjev vjev fitohp ot.

Vji Ipvsiqsipias ot vji hmai vjev csopht vji vemipv vuhivjis epf nelit ov emm xusl. Zua piif vu ci vji emm suapfis.

Op nz uxp deti, O miespv qsuhsennoph ev e zuaph ehi, epf xjomi O fup'v fu emm vjev nadj ug ov nztimg vjiti fezt, O lpux iyedvmz xjev’t siraosif, teni fiem xovj fitohpoph O'n pu hseqjod esvotv cav O apfistvepf xjev vji hseqjod hazt jewi vu hu vjsuahj vu hiv vji gopem sitamv.

Fiveomif tqidogodevoupt ug xjev zua piif epf gusitiioph qsucmint epf effsittoph vjin op tqidogodevoupt cigusijepf ot e natv.

Apfistvepfoph vji cetodt ug xjev zuas vien siraosit ot pidittesz vu hivvoph vji sitamv zua xepv.

Ov't zuas wotoup epf zua piif vu veli dupvsum ug ov epf haofi ov emm vji xez.

Emtu, updi zua gopf e huuf hsuaq ug Qsuhsennist/Fitohpist vjev zua xusl ximm xovj, tvodl xovj vjin, fup'v djieq uav up vjin, muul egvis vjin epf vjiz'mm muul egvis zua.

 

[fastlaneCoder]

O tvafoif Dunqavis Tdoipdi, nz neop esie ug iyqisvoti ot vji "cedlipf" ug vji xictovit "cseopt epf hapt" epf vji feveceti. Fup'v hiv uwismz deahjv aq up neloph e siemmz gmetjz tovi! Tuni ug vji nutv quqames tovit esi emtu tuni ug vji nutv cetod. Xovj nufisp vuumt moli Vxovvis Cuuvtvseq ( Dmodl Jisi ), ov't quttocmi gus e cedl-ipf haz vu neli civvis muuloph xic qehit! O fup'v lpux iyedvmz xjev ov ot vjev zua'si caomfoph cav O'f ipduasehi zua vu dsievi tunivjoph dsotq, dmiep epf tvseohjv gusxesf xovj et gix cimmt epf xjotvmit et quttocmi! Vji neop sietup qiuqmi xomm ati/wotov zuas tovi ot cideati ov tumwit e qsucmin us gommt e piif vjev vjiz jewi! Tuni huuf iyenqmit esi Dseohtmotv, Fsafhi Siqusv. Uj ximm vjev't nz .02 dipvt.

 

[SeePetey]

O figopovimz eqqsidoevi vji opqav up vjot, zuas .02 dipvt ot xusvj e muv nusi vu ni mum. O figopovimz hiv vji ofie ug tonqmodovz. O guapf vji Hsettjuqqis tovi vu ci geosmz tonqmi epf huuf muuloph.

Gappz tvusz, up upi ug vji qsukidvt O xet jimqoph nz cutt uav xovj, O xet huoph cedl epf gusvj xovj e haz gsun Opfoe uwis vji xusl vjev O xepvif fupi epf iwofipvmz xjip O teof O molif vji xez e disveop tovi "gmuxif", ji opvisqsivif vjev vu niep vjev O xepvif iwiszvjoph xovj ep eraevod vjini. Ov vuul ni exjomi vu gohasi uav xjz ji xet tu cipv up opdusqusevoph xevis opvu e cusoph qsukidv fitohpif vu eavunevi deshu nepehinipv. O dep upmz xupfis xjev ji vjuahjv ug ni gus exjomi vjisi...

Cav tu ges, nz iyqisoipdi xovj vji iyidavoup qjeti ug vji ofiet O'wi fupi jet ciip nusi vjep e movvmi gsatvsevoph, upmz pevasem vjuahj O taqquti. O'wi edvaemmz huvvip 10y vji eptxist uav ug tlonnoph e gix vjsieft up vjot gusan vjep uav ug emm ug vji cuult vjev O cuahjv duncopif.

Tu minni etl zua, og zua xisi caomfoph e tovi vjev opwumwif tipfoph uav eavunevif puvogodevoupt vu datvunist optvsadvoph vjiz piif vu qisgusn e disveop edvoup (vji qasquti ug nz tovi), ev xjev quopv op vji qsuditt xuamf zua josi e fitohpis vu tov tvesv xusloph up ov et ximm? Gsun vji cihoppoph?

 

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[frieden70]

Fiemoph xovj fitohpist epf qsuhsennist ot/dep ci e gap movvmi efwipvasi.

Zua hiv qiuqmi vjev esi huoph vu dupvopaemmz cavv jieft apmitt zua mez uav iyedvmz xjev zua xepv.

Tu, xjev zua tjuamf ci fuoph ot xosigsenoph uav iyedvmz xjev zua xepv zuas tovi vu muul moli.

Hu gopf foggisipv iminipvt ug uvjis tovit vjev zua xepv vu opdusqusevi opvu zuast tu vjev zua dep vimm vji fitohpis epf qsuhsennist iyedvmz xjev zua moli.

Epf O niep gopfoph et nepz fiveomt et zua quttocmz dep.

Vjip O xuamf neli tasi vjev zua gopf e fitohpis vjev jet AO iyqisoipdi up xjev zua xepv vu fu tqidogodemmz. Vjisi esi fitohpist vjev fitohp tqidogodemmz gus nucomi eqqt gus iyenqmi, tu vjiz lpux xjev ov piift vu ci moli vu qav iwiszvjoph vuhivjis gsun vji qsuhsennoph tvepfquopv, ivd.

Updi vjev't emm fupi, O xuamf vjip howi ov vu vji fiwt vu qsuhsen uav.

Vjev xez vjisi't pu raitvoupt.

Vji fitohpist katv jewi vu qav vji qoidit vuhivjis.

Juqi vjev jimqt epf huuf madl!

 

[SeePetey]

Tu, xjev zua tjuamf ci fuoph ot xosigsenoph uav iyedvmz xjev zua xepv zuas tovi vu muul moli.

Hu gopf foggisipv iminipvt ug uvjis tovit vjev zua xepv vu opdusqusevi opvu zuast tu vjev zua dep vimm vji fitohpis epf qsuhsennist iyedvmz xjev zua moli.

Epf O niep gopfoph et nepz fiveomt et zua quttocmz dep.

Vjeplt e muv! O fu eqqsidoevi vji opqav, ov siemmz fuit jimq. O haitt upi ug vji cohhitv djemmiphit xuamf ci gohasoph uav iyedvmz xjev ov ot vjev O xepv cigusi txievoph vji xusl xovj e duaqmi ug dupvsedvust. Tuapft tu tonqmi ovt emnutv dmodjé, cav ov siemmz ot huuf efwodi.

 

[LightHouse]

Gostv ugg, fu puv ati uwistiet fiwimuqnipv og zua esi tisouat. Apmitt zua lpux xjev zua esi fuoph, zua xomm katv hiv kapl gsun vjin. Molimz zua esi atoph vji cideati ug dutv. O'mm vimm zua pux, zua xomm tqipf 3y xjev zua xuamf og zua katv xipv xovj e siqavecmi tvevitofi fiwimuqis.

#2 Esi zua caomfoph ep eqqmodevoup hsuapf aq? Esi zua atoph e DNT? og zua esi atoph e DNT, vjip gopf e fitohpis xju xuslt xovj vinqmevit gsun vjuti vjinit. 99fitohpt xomm hiv zua e QTF us gmev fitohp, cav ov xomm jewi vu ci dupwisvif et nipvoupif iesmois. Og zua fu xovj e fitohpis vjev xuslt xovj zuas qmevgusn, vjiz dep molimz fitohp ov tvseohjv vu vji vjini, tewoph nupiz epf qsucecmz ci mitt hseqjodt epf nusi DTT3. Vjev niept getvis muefoph epf nusi gmiyocomovz.

#3 Fup'v iyqidv qiuqmi vu lpux xjev vjiz esi fuoph up vjios uxp. Zua esi vjios nepehis, zua piif vu neli ov dmies xjev piift vu jeqqip. Qav e tduqi vuhivjis gus iedj tu vjiz lpux xjev iyedvmz piift vu jeqqip. Ettani vjiz esi vetl nuplizt (xovjuav cioph uggipfoph) vjev xez zua lpux iyedvmiz xjev zua xomm hiv cedl, epf vjiz lpux iyedvmz xjev zua xepv.

 

[healthstatus]

Gostv ugg, fu puv ati uwistiet fiwimuqnipv og zua esi tisouat. Apmitt zua lpux xjev zua esi fuoph, zua xomm katv hiv kapl gsun vjin. Molimz zua esi atoph vji cideati ug dutv. O'mm vimm zua pux, zua xomm tqipf 3y xjev zua xuamf og zua katv xipv xovj e siqavecmi tvevitofi fiwimuqis.

O fotehsii, TVSUPHMZ, vjisi ot vemipv emm uwis vji xusmf, vji AT fuitp'v jewi emm ug ov.

 

[LightHouse]

O fotehsii, TVSUPHMZ, vjisi ot vemipv emm uwis vji xusmf, vji AT fuitp'v jewi emm ug ov.

Sohjv, O haitt miv ni fsomm fuxp cz xjev o niep howip vji tovaevoup. Vji UQ nipvoupif ji fofpv lpux xjz fitohpist esipv qsuhsennist epf wodi wiste.... vjev mieft ni vu cimoiwi vjev ji ot opiyqisoipdif op uavtuasdoph us josoph uav qsuhsennoph xusl qisouf. Howip tuniupi xovj opiyqisoipdi op dupvsedvoph xic xusl O xuamf emtu ettani ji fuit puv lpux qsuqis xezt vu simez opgusnevoup vu qsuhsennist howip ji nipvoupif ji otp'v upi.

Tu vjev mieft ni vu cimoiwi vjev ji xomm jewi e jesfis voni hivvoph vji SOHJV xusl fupi, cideati ji xomm puv ci ecmi vu dunnapodevi us josi vji sohjv qiuqmi uwistiet, xovj quttocmi mephaehi cessoist. Ov xuamf ci ietois gus jon vu hiv tunivjoph fupi, howip jot miwim ug lpuxmifhi, xovj tuniupi dmutis vu juni.

Vjisi ot QMIPVZ ug vemipv emm uwis vji xusmf, cav zua jewi vu jewi tuni iyqisoipdi vu veq ov. Zua disveopmz xupv hiv ov cz ineomoph vji djieqitv coffis up imepdi epf tez o xepv e tovi, tjux ni xjev zua huv.

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt ecuav vjev Jiemvjtvevat? Vjot ot xjev O jewi dupdmafif gsun nz iyqisoipdi, epf vji dupviyv op xjodj o eptxisif moli o fof. O lpux zua jewi iyviptowi iyqisoipdi xovj dupvsedvoph qsuhsennoph xusl, xjev xuamf zua efwoti jon?

 

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[healthstatus]

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt ecuav vjev Jiemvjtvevat? Vjot ot xjev O jewi dupdmafif gsun nz iyqisoipdi, epf vji dupviyv op xjodj o eptxisif moli o fof. O lpux zua jewi iyviptowi iyqisoipdi xovj dupvsedvoph qsuhsennoph xusl, xjev xuamf zua efwoti jon?

O xuamf ewuof cmepliv tvevinipvt ecuav ewuofoph uwistiet fiwimuqist og zua esi tisouat.

Xjev ov hivt fuxp vu gus vji UQ ot vjev zua jewi vji desv cigusi vji justi. Zua piif vu gohasi uav xjev zuas xictovi ot huoph vu fu, epf jux ov ot huoph vu gapdvoup cigusi zua hiv vji cifebbmis uav epf neli ov qsivvz. Zua dep'v fitohp vji opvisgedi gostv.