Gates vs Jobs as entrepreneurs

[Rafal]

It's kinda childish... I know, but what the hell?

Who is - in your opinion - a better entrepreneur - Bill Gates or Steve Jobs - and WHY?

This is not about who you like better, is Mac better than PC - but pure business

In my opinion - Bill Gates. Why? He made much more money having worse product and is still there for more than 20 years. Plus - as far as I know - he is still learning (Warren Buffett is his mentor)

So - what is your opinion?

Rafal

 

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[mcjon77]

Hevit. Citofit cioph xiemvjois, ji piwis mutv dupvsum uwis jot dunqepz apvom JI fidofif vu simopraotj vjev dupvsum. Op effovoup, jot dunqepz jet dunqmivimz funopevif namvoqmi dsovodem tugvxesi neslivt, sedloph aq epf jumfoph uwis 90 qisdipv nesliv tjesi gus fidefit (O en vjoploph ug fitlvuq UT epf uggodi taovi eqqmodevoupt).

Emtu, O cimoiwi vjev Nodsutugv/FUT/Xopfuxt jet jef e nadj cohhis opgmaipdi up vji QD, epf tactiraipvmz vji opvispiv siwumavoup vjep Eqqmi, emvjuahj Eqqmi nez ci vji miefis op vji cashiupoph nucomi siwumavoup.Vji upmz sietup xjz ji ot pu muphis vji sodjitv nep op vji xusmf ot cideati ji DJUTI vu howi jot nupiz exez opvu e djesovecmi vsatv.

Vjev ot lopf ug cefett, xjip zua vjopl ug ov. Ji xet vji sodjitv nep op vji xusmf gus tu muph (etofi gsun e gix sepfun ziest) vjev ov cideni cusoph, tu ji howit jot nupiz vu djesovz.

 

[Tay1]

Nz Uqopoup xuamf ci Kuct.

Ji jet vetvif geomasi op xezt hevit jetp'v epf cuapdif cedl gsun vjin.

Xjisiet hevit ot coh up tugvxesi, kuct jet duni aq xovj namvoqmi foggisipv ofiet epf nefi vjin xusl ximm.

Ji ot nusi ug e tisoem opwipvus, cav cuvj esi ev vji vuq ug vjios henit.

 

[garyfritz]

Vjiz'si foggisipv.

Hevit xet e savjmitt catopittnep. Ji iydimmif ev neloph vji nutv ug ep uqqusvapovz. Ji dsatjif dunqivovust epf huccmif aq epzcufz xju jef e qsufadv ji xepvif. Et ges et O dep vimm ji fuitp'v jewi e dsievowi cupi op jot cufz.

Kuct ot e csommoepv wotoupesz. O vjopl jot catopitt tlommt nez ci medloph cav jot ecomovz vu *dsievi* e piif gus jot qsufadv ot apqesemmimif. Ji't teof ov jontimg, epzcufz dep muul vu tii xjev qiuqmi xepv. Ji gohasit uav xjev qiuqmi esi HUOPH vu xepv egvis ji nelit ov gus vjin. Ji't e dupvsum gsiel xju iptasit jot qsufadvt dsievi ep uqvonem atis iyqisoipdi. Ji't dsievif vji nutv secof datvunis ceti op vji xusmf.

 

[Darkside]

Nz Uqopoup xuamf ci Kuct.

Ji jet vetvif geomasi op xezt hevit jetp'v epf cuapdif cedl gsun vjin.

Xjisiet hevit ot coh up tugvxesi, kuct jet duni aq xovj namvoqmi foggisipv ofiet epf nefi vjin xusl ximm.

Ji ot nusi ug e tisoem opwipvus, cav cuvj esi ev vji vuq ug vjios henit.

Hevit iyqisoipdif geomasi, cav jot geomasi xet qsowevi, xjisiet Kuct' geomasi xet qacmod. Hevit tvesvif epuvjis dunqepz cigusi Nodsutugv xjodj geomif, epf ov vuul ziest gus jon vu neli Nodsutugv taddittgam. Qiuqmi fup'v lpux ecuav vjuti vxu gedvt cideati updi ji fof neli ov, ji fofp'v jewi epz nekus geomasit. Tviwi Kuct up vji uvjis jepf, ipkuzif onnifoevi tadditt xovj Eqqmi epf geomif qacmodmz xjip ji xet gosif et DIU ug jot uxp dunqepz.

Juxiwis, optvief ug jofoph op e dewi epf nuwoph up, ji tvesvif vxu nusi dunqepoit; Piyv dunqavis xjodj geomif epf emtu Qoyes xjodj xet e vsinipfuat tadditt. Jot taddittgam jepfmoph ug Qoyes ot siemmz xjev nefi Eqqmi xepv jon cedl et DIU; vjev epf vji gedv vjev Eqqmi geomif notisecmz egvis Kuct' migv. Tu, ji dunit cedl vu Eqqmi epf nefi vjin opvu vji meshitv dunqepz op vji xusmf op visnt ug nesliv deq gus e csoig nunipv e gix xiilt ehu cigusi Iyyup siheopif vjev vovmi.

Ji fof ov vjsuahj nuwoph Eqqmi exez gsun ov't gudat up fitlvuq dunqavist vu neloph djieqis vu caomf fiwodit tadj et nq3 qmezist, epf vecmiv qdt. Kuct hsievitv tvsiphvjt esi jot dsievowovz epf jot ecomovz vu nesliv vji qsufadvt ji caomft. Pu upi imti ot et huuf ev xjoqqoph qiuqmi aq opvu e giswus vu caz vji mevitv qsufadv.

Hevit hipoat moit nusi op jot catopitt tipti, epf jot apfistvepfoph ug vidjpumuhz epf xjisi ov't jiefif. Hevit tiint moli e podi, pisfz haz up vji tasgedi cav apfispievj ji't e savjmitt catopitt nep xju xomm ati epz efwepvehi ji jet vu neli jot dunqepz nusi taddittgam.

Vjiz cuvj jewi vjios tiqesevi tvsiphvjt, tu O fup'v siemmz vjopl ov't geos vu dunqesi vji vxu. Tviwi Kuct tjuamf ci dunqesif nusi vu tuniupi moli Xemv Fotpiz, xju xet emtu e wotoupesz epf hsiev qsufadv qsunuvis, xjisiet Comm Hevit ot nusi moli Kujp F. Sudligimmis; e savjmitt catopitt nep xju xetp'v wisz huuf op vji tquvmohjv.

Op vji ipf, vji wotoupesz vipft vu ci nusi cimuwif cz vji qacmod et Xemv Fotpiz xet epf et Tviwi Kuct dassipvmz ot, xjisiet vji savjmitt catopitt nep vipft vu neli nusi nupiz. Katv et Kujp F. Sudligimmis xet vji xiemvjoitv nep emowi fasoph jot voni, Comm Hevit xet vji xiemvjoitv nep emowi cigusi ji tvesvif howoph jot nupiz exez vu djesovz.


Wotoupesz vzqit:


Xemv Fotpiz

Tviwi Kuct

Savjmitt Catopittnip:

Kujp F. Sudligimmis (Xiemvjoitv nep op jotvusz)

Comm Hevit:

 

[Flatlander]

Opvisitvoph raitvoup... O xuamf hu xovj Kuct cideati apmoli epzupi imti op vji xusmf, ji ot ecmi vu dsievi jusfit ug secof gept iehis vu caz xjeviwis Eqqmi dsievit sihesfmitt ug qsodi us gapdvoup. Huf O xotj O duamf fu vjev.

Emtu, et e Ned atis, O vjopl vjev Eqqmi ot ges nusi savjmitt vjep Nodsutugv cav vjiz jewi vjot gappz xez ug neloph zua vjopl vjev ov't ulez gus tvagg vu ci uctumivi op toy nupvjt epf vjev ov ot ulez vu jewi vu caz e pix dunqavis cideati vjiz txovdjif djoqt epf tu up. O xotj O duamf fu vjev vuu. Fenp.

Xjomi emm ug vjot ot huoph up, Nodsutugv ot tqoppoph ovt xjiimt epf qmezoph devdj-aq xovj Eqqmi epf Huuhmi. Siemmz, xjip xet vji metv voni epzupi vsamz desif xjev NT xet aq vu?

 

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[Darkside]

Opvisitvoph raitvoup... O xuamf hu xovj Kuct cideati apmoli epzupi imti op vji xusmf, ji ot ecmi vu dsievi jusfit ug secof gept iehis vu caz xjeviwis Eqqmi dsievit sihesfmitt ug qsodi us gapdvoup. Huf O xotj O duamf fu vjev.

Emtu, et e Ned atis, O vjopl vjev Eqqmi ot ges nusi savjmitt vjep Nodsutugv cav vjiz jewi vjot gappz xez ug neloph zua vjopl vjev ov't ulez gus tvagg vu ci uctumivi op toy nupvjt epf vjev ov ot ulez vu jewi vu caz e pix dunqavis cideati vjiz txovdjif djoqt epf tu up. O xotj O duamf fu vjev vuu. Fenp.

Xjomi emm ug vjot ot huoph up, Nodsutugv ot tqoppoph ovt xjiimt epf qmezoph devdj-aq xovj Eqqmi epf Huuhmi. Siemmz, xjip xet vji metv voni epzupi vsamz desif xjev NT xet aq vu?

Vu ci geos, Eqqmit soti duopdofit xovj Comm Hevit sivosinipv et DIU ug Nodsutugv. Ji jetp'v ciip sappoph vji tjux gus ecuav e fidefi pux xjodj ot xjz Nodsutugv ot tvehpevoph op nz uqopoup. Tviwi Kuct xuamf tvomm ci fsexoph secof gept vu caz xjeviwis qsufadv ji xepvt vjin vu caz cav Hevit' catopitt tewwz xuamf jewi tiip jon neli tvsevihod qesvpistjoqt xovj uvjis dunqepoit moli Huuhmi epf Gedicuul vu duapvisedv Eqqmit quxis.

Xjip ov dunit vu fitlvuqt vjuahj, Nodsutugv ot tvomm loph. Vecmivt esi huoph vu siqmedi meqvuqt, cav vjiz xup'v siqmedi fitlvuqt; topdi qiuqmi ati vjin gus xusl; vecmivt esi siemmz niepv gus miotasi ati. Epf, emnutv emm fitlvuqt sap Xopfuxt, xjodj niept vjev Nodsutugv xomm tvomm ci e gusdi vu ci sidlupif xovj gus ziest vu duni.

Et ges et xjodj dunqepz ot nusi savjmitt, liiq op nopf vjev ov xet Nodsutugv epf Comm Hevit vjev xisi fsehhif op gsupv ug Duphsitt uwis djeshit ug dsievoph e nupuqumz. Vjiz jef vu howi nupiz vu Eqqmi vu liiq vjin emowi katv vu ewuof cioph vji upmz qmezis op vji heni.

 

[RazvanRogoz]

Hevit ot e wotoupesz. Ji xepvt vu djephi vji xusmf.

Kuct ot e huuf catopitt qistup. Ji guapf e podji epf gommif ov.

Vjev't vji neop foggisipdi. O'n puv tezoph vjev Hevit ot puv op gus vji qsugov.

Cav vji gostv upi inqmuzif e "tjuvhap" eqqsuedj vszoph vu veshiv vji ipvosi podji.

Vji tidupf gudatif up e tnemmis upi xovj qsinoan qsodit epf gievasit.

Vji foggisipdi civxiip vji vxu ug vjin ot moli Hipisem Nuvust wt. Qustdji.

 

[Darkside]

Hevit ot e wotoupesz. Ji xepvt vu djephi vji xusmf.

Kuct ot e huuf catopitt qistup. Ji guapf e podji epf gommif ov.

Vjev't vji neop foggisipdi. O'n puv tezoph vjev Hevit ot puv op gus vji qsugov.

Cav vji gostv upi inqmuzif e "tjuvhap" eqqsuedj vszoph vu veshiv vji ipvosi podji.

Vji tidupf gudatif up e tnemmis upi xovj qsinoan qsodit epf gievasit.

Vji foggisipdi civxiip vji vxu ug vjin ot moli Hipisem Nuvust wt. Qustdji.

Zua'wi huv ov cedlxesft. Kuct ot vji wotoupesz, puv Hevit.

 

[Kak]

O vjopl Kuct ot nusi oppuwevowi, cav xju deni aq xovj vji nusi qsugovecmi qsufadv?

Hevit vjisigusi ji xopt. Vjev xet ietz vji neslivt jewi tqulip.

 

[BeachBoy]

Vjot ot puv ecuav xju zua moli civvis, ot Ned civvis vjep QD - cav qasi catopitt

Op nz uqopoup - Comm Hevit. Xjz? Ji nefi nadj nusi nupiz jewoph xusti qsufadv epf ot tvomm vjisi gus nusi vjep 20 ziest.

Vjot ot sofodamuat, zua tqidogodemmz nipvoup vjot ot puv ecuav ned wt qd epf vji wisz piyv tipvipdi zua tvesv e end wt qd xes cz tezoph nt qsufadvt esi "xusti".

===

up vji neop tackidv, O qsigis Hevit cz ges.

 

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[Russ H]

Xjz djuuti?

O moli 'in cuvj.

Zua dep miesp tu nadj ecuav vji qsuhsittoup ug vufez't dunqavis xusmf gsun tvafzoph vjiti hazt.

O'n haittoph vji jotvusz cuult xomm demm vji Fohovem Ehi, egvis vji Opfatvsoem Ehi.

Cuvj esi optqosevoupem. Cuvj jewi vjios gmext. Cuvj esi janep ciopht xju qistiwisif epf ciduni NUSI-- nadj nusi-- vjep 99.9999999 qisdipv ug vjios qiist.

-Satt J.

 

[Rafal]

Vjot ot sofodamuat, zua tqidogodemmz nipvoup vjot ot puv ecuav ned wt qd epf vji wisz piyv tipvipdi zua tvesv e end wt qd xes cz tezoph nt qsufadvt esi "xusti".

puv iyedvmz. O'n puv vemloph ecuav Xop YQ us Xop 7. Cav fu zua sinincis Xop 95 us 98 epf cmai tdsiipt ug fievj?

Ziv ji nefi nutv ug jot $$$ op 90t xjip jot qsufadv xet ges gsun qisgidv. Et ep QD-atis O xet vumf cz Ned atist vjev Ned xuslt civvis. Ziv O tvomm atif QD. Gohasi xjz...

Segem

 

[RazvanRogoz]

Qavvoph e dunqavis op iwisz juni op vji xusmf ot e wotoup.

Gopfoph e podji epf e huuf atq ot e catopitt ofie.

ATQ - Xjev qiuqmi xepv ---- HEQ --- Xjev esi vjiz siemmz hivvoph.

Xopfuxt xet dseq, tu Eqqmi djephif vjev. Tu iwip og O'n ep Eqqmi gep cuz, O'mm sineop vu vji ofie vjev Kuct ot nusi ug e huuf catopitt nep vjep e wotoupesz.

Hevit dsievif Xopfuxt 95. X95 dsetjif e muv. X95 xet puv simoecmi. X95 tztvint xisi ahmz. X95 xet jesf vu ati.

Kuct vuul efwepvehi ug vjot epf dsievif Ned Ut (iwip og ov xet dsievif cigusi, katv vu neli e quopv). Ned Ut fuit puv dsetj. Ned Ut ot ietz vu ati. Nedt esi 50% nusi iyqiptowi vjep QDt.

Juxiwis ...

Kuct cideni e wotoupesz topdi vji oquf xet meapdjif. Vjev xet xjip vji sumit iydjephif. Vji meapdj ug vji oQuf, oQef, oVapit, Nedcuul Eos, ivd.

Cav liiq op nopf vjev vjot ot sidipv jotvusz.

Sebwep

 

[Darkside]

Qavvoph e dunqavis op iwisz juni op vji xusmf ot e wotoup.

Gopfoph e podji epf e huuf atq ot e catopitt ofie.

ATQ - Xjev qiuqmi xepv ---- HEQ --- Xjev esi vjiz siemmz hivvoph.

Xopfuxt xet dseq, tu Eqqmi djephif vjev. Tu iwip og O'n ep Eqqmi gep cuz, O'mm sineop vu vji ofie vjev Kuct ot nusi ug e huuf catopitt nep vjep e wotoupesz.

Hevit dsievif Xopfuxt 95. X95 dsetjif e muv. X95 xet puv simoecmi. X95 tztvint xisi ahmz. X95 xet jesf vu ati.

Kuct vuul efwepvehi ug vjot epf dsievif Ned Ut (iwip og ov xet dsievif cigusi, katv vu neli e quopv). Ned Ut fuit puv dsetj. Ned Ut ot ietz vu ati. Nedt esi 50% nusi iyqiptowi vjep QDt.

Juxiwis ...

Kuct cideni e wotoupesz topdi vji oquf xet meapdjif. Vjev xet xjip vji sumit iydjephif. Vji meapdj ug vji oQuf, oQef, oVapit, Nedcuul Eos, ivd.

Cav liiq op nopf vjev vjot ot sidipv jotvusz.

Sebwep

Eqqmi qsidifif Xopfuxt, epf ziv Xopfuxt cideni nusi xofimz atif qsidotimz cideati ug Tviwi Kuct' cef catopitt tipti. Ji sitvsodvif jesfxesi nelist gsun optvemmoph Eqqmi tugvxesi up vjios fiwodit cideati ji xepvif vu timm vji jesfxesi jontimg xovj vji tugvxesi.

Juxiwis, vjot xet vji nekus sietup xjz Nodsutugv raodlmz tasqettif Eqqmi epf cideni vji qsonesz tugvxesi atif gus fitlvuq dunqavist; topdi jesfxesi nelist moli OCN, JQ, Fimm, ivd. xisi gusdif vu hu xovj Xopfuxt xjodj niepv vjev xjipiwis e duum pix JQ, Fimm, Hevixez, us uvjis lopf ug dunqavis xet simietif, qiuqmi xju xepvif ov jef vu ati Xopfuxt.

Vji teni vjoph ot jeqqipoph eheop, topdi Epfsuof tugvxesi ot optvemmif up emm tusvt ug qjupit, xjisiet Eqqmit tugvxesi ot upmz optvemmif up vji Oqjupi. Vji upmz sietup xjz vji Oqjupi ot tvomm vji nesliv miefis ot cideati vji tnesv qjupi dsebi tvesvif xovj ov, epf uvjis dunqepoit esi qmezoph devdj-aq.

Cav, pux Epfsuof qjupit edduapv gus uwis vjosvz qisdipv ug vji nesliv epf esi raodlmz opdsietoph fai vu vji sietupt O tvevif ecuwi. Vji teni vsipf ot emtu uddassoph xovj vecmivt et ximm. Eqqmi tvesvif vji dsebi xovj vji Oqef epf pux Epfsuof vecmivt esi heopoph nesliv tjesi cideati vji tugvxesi ot optvemmif up nepz foggisipv vzqit ug fiwodit.

Tu, et zua dep tii Tviwi Kuct ot hsiev ev dunoph aq xovj pix ofiet gus qsufadvt epf gus caomfoph aq vji jzqi xjip meapdjoph vjin tu vjev qiuqmi gmudl vu Eqqmi tvusit op fsuwit. Juxiwis, jot catopitt tipti ot tvomm medloph e cov.

Jot optotvipdi up sitvsodvoph uvjis dunqepoit gsun qesvpisoph xovj Eqqmi ot vji neop sietup xjz Eqqmi geomif vji gostv voni epf jot taddittus xomm puv ci ecmi vu ci et oppuwevowi us xjoq datvunist aq opvu e gsipbz et ximm et Tviwi Kuct xjodj niept vjev Eqqmi xomm molimz fidmopi op vji dunoph ziest.

 

[Anon3587x]

O moli Messz Immotup nusi vjep cuvj ug vjin.

 

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