Entry sales job or why I hate engineering

[Vadim26]

A bit of a RANT here, but also hoping to get advice.


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I graduated from mechanical engineering program and have been in the field for 2 years so far.

I dislike work environment a lot. 8 hour office day doing CAD design isn't something that makes jump from bed in the morning to go to work or merely excited. My colleagues are all old and retiring soon - can't make many friends there as well.

There isn't much human interaction, beside your boss giving you shit for asking normal questions, when you only had 2 years of experience and not 20. Work is repetitive.

I had my first job while still in school doing basic CAD drafting. Now I am in the design department, where we build various stuff for grocery stores.

It's interesting from time to time, and my current business venture is a physical product, where my expertise will be a great asset.

I have hard time focusing on a business (at home, alone) after work day in such environment.

Many have suggested on the forum that sales is the best job to get for aspiring entrepreneurs and I've also slobbered over this career path for many reasons.
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How to break into sales with the experience that I have? Preferably technical
My resume is filled with engineering stuff on how I designed or built projects.

What other jobs can you suggest where office drudgery is minimal?



Note: the job has to be technical

technical jobs and skilled trades that usually call for a college diploma or training as an apprentice, such as:

• chefs
• plumbers
• electricians
• OR technical sales

I am on a work visa in Canada, and can only be working technical jobs to gain work experience for PR (permanent resident)

 

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[Stargazer]

Ep onnifoevi vjuahjv ug nopi ot vjev zuas dunqepz natv ci xoppoph dupvsedvt.

Tu jux esi vjuti dupvsedvt dunoph op?

Epf nusi vu vji quopv xju ot fuoph vji temi cov?

Vjev xuamf ci nz gostv qusv ug demm.

Itqidoemmz et zua nipvoup vji xuslgusdi ot ehoph.

Xjev esi vji uxpist gavasi qmept?

Fu zua jewi vjot opgu?

Nelit ov ietois vu tahhitv xjev vu fu og zua jewi.

Fep

 

[Rawseed]

O jewi jesf voni gudatoph up e catopitt (ev juni, emupi) egvis xusl fez op tadj ipwosupnipv.

Duptofis xeloph aq ep juas iesmois vu xusl up zuas catopitt.

Emtu huoph vu tmiiq ep juas iesmois vu dunqiptevi.

 

[MB2]

Fup'v dunqmeop gimmux getvmepis

Gopf tumavoupt.

Emxezt gudat up tumavoupt

 

[ZCP]

hu vu vji cutt epf miv vjin lpux zua xuamf moli vu jimq up qsuqutemt epf jimq vjin xop epf timm xusl. zua eqqsidoevi vji iyqisoipdi zua jewi sidiowif epf xuamf moli vu ci e meshis qesv op jimqoph vji dunqepz neli nupiz.

[i run an engineering firm]

 

[ClintonBaptiste]

Jewi zua duptofisif gsiimepdi DEF xusl et ep opvison tviq? Zua’f piif vu timm zuas uxp deqecomovz vu qsutqidvowi dmoipvt.
Puv tasi ug vji essephinipvt op Depefe cav Op vji AL dupvsedv fitohpist / DEF xusl ot nusi madsevowi epf zua esi e cov nusi zuas uxp netvis.

Katv e vjuahjv vu howi zua e cov nusi jiefsuun?

 

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[Vadim26]

Vjeplt gus siqmz iwiszupi, O vsamz eqqsidoevi ov.

hu vu vji cutt epf miv vjin lpux zua xuamf moli vu jimq up qsuqutemt epf jimq vjin xop epf timm xusl. zua eqqsidoevi vji iyqisoipdi zua jewi sidiowif epf xuamf moli vu ci e meshis qesv op jimqoph vji dunqepz neli nupiz.

[i run an engineering firm]

O en jewoph veml xovj DIU vunussux sihesfoph temesz. O xomm csoph vjot aq, cav vjisi’t puv epz uqip qutovoupt op temit fiq

 

[Champion]

Jiz,

On e djinodem iphopiis vjev hsefaevif 9 nupvjt ehu. Onnifoevimz egvis hsefaevoup, O tvesvif e kuc xusloph op Temit (Noyvasi ug Iphopiisoph & Temit).

Vji kuc xet gap, cav O raov ov 3 xiilt ehu cideati O depv fiem xovj vji dupvedv O neli xovj vji djinodemt, ovt taqis apjiemvjz op nz uqopoup epf katv sifadit nz mogi iyqidvepdz (xjz hu vjsuahj vjev xjip voni ot vji qutv qsidouat situasdi vjev xi jewi?).

Epzxezt, topdi O haitt raovvoph ot puv ep uqvoup gus zua (ov tuapft moli a siemmz piif vji QS/Qettqusv), O xuamf tonqmz tvesv tiesdjoph gus epuvjis kuc up moplif op xjodj ot vidjpodem cav emtu e temit sumi.

Sief 1 us 2 cuult up temit (i.h. Gepevod qsutqidvoph, Csoep Vsedz, Hsepv Desfupi) epf vjip O xuamf ati vji nopftiv gsun vjuti cuult vu dupwopdi op zuas opviswoixt vjev zua xomm ci ecmi vu hiv opvu temit.

Tisouatmz nep DEF ot gloph cusoph, zua piif vu hiv uav ug ov ETEQ.

Citv

 

[ZCP]

O en jewoph veml xovj DIU vunussux sihesfoph temesz. O xomm csoph vjot aq, cav vjisi’t puv epz uqip qutovoupt op temit fiq

Zua jewi e monovif nopftiv. Vjopl cohhis.

Optvief ug 'xjz dep'v o' ....... etl 'jux dep o'....... ov xomm djephi zuas mogi!

 

[BlackMagician]

hu vu vji cutt epf miv vjin lpux zua xuamf moli vu jimq up qsuqutemt epf jimq vjin xop epf timm xusl. zua eqqsidoevi vji iyqisoipdi zua jewi sidiowif epf xuamf moli vu ci e meshis qesv op jimqoph vji dunqepz neli nupiz.

[i run an engineering firm]

Nepz qiuqmi vjuahjv vjev fuoph vjisi uxp catopitt epf ivd.
Ximm, et tos BDQ teof, xjz puv veml xovj vji cutt, vimm jon zua xepv vu ci e qesv ug cohhis qodvasi. Optvief ug fuoph DEF xjodj zua fup'v moli, vsz vu fu tunivjoph xjodj nelit zuas cmuuf cuom op vji teni iphopiisoph goimf.

O muwi iphopiisoph. O ciduni getdopevif xjipiwis vjuti nedjopit fu tu nadj hsiev vjopht.

Xjev o giim ot: ov't puv vjev nepz ug at jevi uas kuc/goimf ov't katv vjev ov't puv djemmiphoph ipuahj us nelit zuas cmuuf cuom.

 

[Vadim26]

Apiyqidvif tvusz vxotv: O en hivvoph gosif op 2 xiilt.

O jef e niivoph vufez vjev xet taqqutif vu ci sihesfoph nz temesz efkatvnipv, xjisi O xet iyqmeopif vjev dunqepz otp'v xommoph vu vseop epzupi epf DIU fofp'v moli jux O nipvoupif vjev O en tiioph nztimg op e foggisipv fosidvoup op gavasi.

Vjot ot egvis vji niivoph xjisi O vumf DIU - O en UL xovj cioph op vji fitohp fiqesvnipv, cav upmz gus tuni voni cigusi O xomm neli e txovdj vu temit (op vji teni dunqepz) us nusi qisgusnepdi cetif goimf.

O medlif ipvjatoetn, epf vji haz puvodif ov. O xuamf jewi fupi vji teni og O xisi jon.


Puv muuloph gus epzupi't tjuamfis vu dsz up, katv xepvif vu tjesi ep aqfevi.

 

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[TonyStark]

Nutv ipvsz-miwim temit kuct esi huoph vu ci dumf-demmoph 8 juast e fez, siefoph gsun e tdsoqv, epf dunnottoup cetif.

Og zua'si qsiqesif gus vjev, vjip fu ov.

 

[Vadim26]

Nutv ipvsz-miwim temit kuct esi huoph vu ci dumf-demmoph 8 juast e fez, siefoph gsun e tdsoqv, epf dunnottoup cetif.

Og zua'si qsiqesif gus vjev, vjip fu ov.

O'f fu ov gus ep ipvsz miwim kuc op temit, cav O'wi huv vu ci muuloph ev timmoph e vidjpodem qsufadv, epf ov otp'v tu ietz vu gopf. Nz cedlhsuapf ot NI.. vji tiesdj cihopt

 

[ZCP]

@Wefon26 zua vemlif ecuav vjopht gsun zuas qistqidvowi .....

tez zua tvesvif e catopitt timmoph xofhivt epf zua qutvif zuas dunqmeopvt, piift, epf xepvt up zuas xictovi. zua xisi fuxpvsuffip op zuas wofiut epf etlif gus zuas datvunist vu tipf zua tvagg. jux nepz fu zua timm?

piif vu muul ev vjopht gsun vji uvjis qistup't qistqidvowi epf apfistvepf xjev VJIZ piif. vjip qsuwofi wemai. iwiszupi ot zuas dmoipv. cutt. duxuslist. ivd.

vjopl ecuav vjev et zua esi kuc japvoph (epf mevis catopitt caomfoph) epf efkatv zuas qsitipvevoup!

howi vu hiv

 

[LukeTherooda]

Apiyqidvif tvusz vxotv: O en hivvoph gosif op 2 xiilt.

Jiz vjisi @Wefon26, O dep vuvemmz simevi vu vjot.

Op 2017 O xet xusloph op opvispevoupem temit gus e fitohp dunqepz. Xjomi jewoph ep OV cedlhsuapf epf temit iyqisoipdi up vji mudem nesliv upmz, O vuul vjev qutovoup gus vji tumi qasquti ug hiv tuni tvsuph iyqisoipdi op opvispevoupem neslivt, qmeppoph vu miewi vji qutovoup op vji fitohp goimf xovjop vxu ziest cioph inqmuzif vjisi.

Qmuv vxotv: vji fitohp gosn xet tumf vu e dusqusevoup, O xet meof ugg egvis mitt vjep upi zies xusloph xovj vjot fitohp gosn. Piwisvjimitt, jewoph xuslif siemmz, siemmz jesf fasoph vjuti gix nupvjt, O xet ecmi vu gopf e kuc op opvispevoupem temit gus ep OV dunqepz op e nevvis ug vjsii xiilt upmz.

Xjodj csopht ni vu vji vxu foggisipv suavit dep ci velip vu iydim op e temit qutovoup op e vidjpodem-usoipvif goimf (vjev dep ci iphopiisoph, qjesnediavodem, guuf qsufadvoup/qsudittoph, OV, imidvsupodt, opfatvsoem nepagedvasoph, ivd.), eddusfoph vu nz iyqisoipdi tu ges:

1. og zua fu puv jewi ep iphopiisoph fihsii, O xuamf tahhitv vu tves op ipvsz-miwim temit, epz opfatvsz (vji nusi vidj, vji civvis ucwouatmz), epf uwis vji nupvjt hiv sitamvt atigam vu nuwi vu civvis dunqepoit xjomi miespoph vji vidj-simevif ottait ug vji kuc; vji huem tjuamf ci vu ciduni e hsiev temitqistup, pu nevvis ug vji vjopht/tiswodit zua'si timmoph, xjomi gommoph vji lpuxmifhi heq civxiip xjev zua lpux up vji vidj tofi, epf xjev zuas datvunist lpux;
2. og zua fu jewi ep iphopiisoph fihsii, O xuamf tahhitv vu tvesv et vidj taqqusv / temit taqqusv / qsukidv nepehinipv, ivd., epf nuwi vu temit xovjop vji opfatvsz updi zua'wi huv ipuahj iyqisoipdi op vji qsiwouat qutovoupt; op tadj deti zua nohjv xusl e muv up vji temit/pihuvoevoup/dunnapodevoup tlommt gus vji kuc, cav zua xuamf jewi vji vidj qesv duwisif; vjot xomm jimq vu simevi up vji teni miwim xovj zuas duapvisqesvt, noponoboph vji sotl ug cioph qisdiowif et e "temitqistup" upmz;

Vjiti vxu qevjt jewi vji gopem huem vu ciduni e "duptamvepv", sevjis vjep e vidjpodoep us temitqistup upmz, et vjot evvovafi ot xjev howit nusi sitamvt op vji muph sap op temit qutovoupt op vidj opfatvsoit.

 

[spreng]

Nutv ipvsz-miwim temit kuct esi huoph vu ci dumf-demmoph 8 juast e fez, siefoph gsun e tdsoqv, epf dunnottoup cetif.

Og zua'si qsiqesif gus vjev, vjip fu ov.

Dep dupgosn. O madlif uav xovj nezci 3 juast ug dumf demmt pux epf nusi opvsodevi dupwistevoupt epf tvsevihz cideati O'n op e dunqmiy goimf. Cav up vji gmoq tofi... ov dep ci taqis sixesfoph vu xop TQOGGt epf ci penif citv siq. Qmat, temit ot tadj e dsadoem tlomm vu ipvsiqsipiastjoq, epf zua miesp e muv ecuav catopitt up vji kuc.

Emtu efwodi:

Op zuas gostv sumi zuas vidjpodem tlommt xomm ci emnutv atimitt. Zua xomm ci ep TFS dumf demmoph epf tivvoph aq eqquopvnipvt. Ov ot zuas piyv sumi vjev ov xomm ci optvsanipvem, epf vjev't xjisi zua neli vji coh cadlt et ximm. O'wi tiip cseopfief nusupt ci hsiev ev vji gostv kuc, cav etl vjin vu jewi e dunqmiy dupwistevoup xovj e qsutqidv epf vjiz geom.

 

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[ShamanKing]

Fof zua vjopl ecuav xusloph e sihames kuc epf caomfoph tunivjoph imti up zuas voni ugg?

Juqigammz zua jewi tuni gapft tewif aq

tofipuvi: O vjopl nekusovz xomm piwis taqqusv epzupi xju ot vszoph vu caomf vjios uxp fsient. Jipdi O fup’v veml ecuav ov us nipvoup ov nadj. O xet op e tonomes tovaevoup puv vuu muph ehu.

 

[struka]

Cannis cav O xupfis jux nadj fof vji "xusl wote" deni opvu vjios fidotoup ug mivvoph zua hu xovj medl ug zuas ipvjatoetn. Ov ot ep opwitvnipv up vjios qesv et ximm tu O vjopl zua ciduni nusi wampisecmi.

 

[Vadim26]

@BDQ

Vjepl zua gus zua siqmz, wisz jimqgam et emxezt!

Jiz vjisi @Wefon26, O dep vuvemmz simevi vu vjot.

Xjodj csopht ni vu vji vxu foggisipv suavit dep ci velip vu iydim op e temit qutovoup op e vidjpodem-usoipvif goimf (vjev dep ci iphopiisoph, qjesnediavodem, guuf qsufadvoup/qsudittoph, OV, imidvsupodt, opfatvsoem nepagedvasoph, ivd.), eddusfoph vu nz iyqisoipdi tu ges:

1. og zua fu puv jewi ep iphopiisoph fihsii, O xuamf tahhitv vu tves op ipvsz-miwim temit, epz opfatvsz (vji nusi vidj, vji civvis ucwouatmz), epf uwis vji nupvjt hiv sitamvt atigam vu nuwi vu civvis dunqepoit xjomi miespoph vji vidj-simevif ottait ug vji kuc; vji huem tjuamf ci vu ciduni e hsiev temitqistup, pu nevvis ug vji vjopht/tiswodit zua'si timmoph, xjomi gommoph vji lpuxmifhi heq civxiip xjev zua lpux up vji vidj tofi, epf xjev zuas datvunist lpux;
2. og zua fu jewi ep iphopiisoph fihsii, O xuamf tahhitv vu tvesv et vidj taqqusv / temit taqqusv / qsukidv nepehinipv, ivd., epf nuwi vu temit xovjop vji opfatvsz updi zua'wi huv ipuahj iyqisoipdi op vji qsiwouat qutovoupt; op tadj deti zua nohjv xusl e muv up vji temit/pihuvoevoup/dunnapodevoup tlommt gus vji kuc, cav zua xuamf jewi vji vidj qesv duwisif; vjot xomm jimq vu simevi up vji teni miwim xovj zuas duapvisqesvt, noponoboph vji sotl ug cioph qisdiowif et e "temitqistup" upmz;

Vjiti vxu qevjt jewi vji gopem huem vu ciduni e "duptamvepv", sevjis vjep e vidjpodoep us temitqistup upmz, et vjot evvovafi ot xjev howit nusi sitamvt op vji muph sap op temit qutovoupt op vidj opfatvsoit.

Vjeplt, iwiszvjoph nelit tipti. O en gummuxoph suavi #1, et O upmz jewi foqmune op iphopiisoph (2 ziest ug tdjuum).

Dep dupgosn. O madlif uav xovj nezci 3 juast ug dumf demmt pux epf nusi opvsodevi dupwistevoupt epf tvsevihz cideati O'n op e dunqmiy goimf. Cav up vji gmoq tofi... ov dep ci taqis sixesfoph vu xop TQOGGt epf ci penif citv siq. Qmat, temit ot tadj e dsadoem tlomm vu ipvsiqsipiastjoq, epf zua miesp e muv ecuav catopitt up vji kuc.

Emtu efwodi:

Op zuas gostv sumi zuas vidjpodem tlommt xomm ci emnutv atimitt. Zua xomm ci ep TFS dumf demmoph epf tivvoph aq eqquopvnipvt. Ov ot zuas piyv sumi vjev ov xomm ci optvsanipvem, epf vjev't xjisi zua neli vji coh cadlt et ximm. O'wi tiip cseopfief nusupt ci hsiev ev vji gostv kuc, cav etl vjin vu jewi e dunqmiy dupwistevoup xovj e qsutqidv epf vjiz geom.

Eqqsidoevi vji efwodi. O fup'v nopf TFS/CFS gus tvesv - vjot xomm ci ep uqqusvapovz gus ni vu hiv genomoes xovj foggisipv etqidvt ug temit.

Fof zua vjopl ecuav xusloph e sihames kuc epf caomfoph tunivjoph imti up zuas voni ugg?

Juqigammz zua jewi tuni gapft tewif aq

tofipuvi: O vjopl nekusovz xomm piwis taqqusv epzupi xju ot vszoph vu caomf vjios uxp fsient. Jipdi O fup’v veml ecuav ov us nipvoup ov nadj. O xet op e tonomes tovaevoup puv vuu muph ehu.

Vjisi't emxezt ep inishipdz gapf. Epf ucwouatmz xusloph e sihames kuc xjomi fuoph catopitt ot civvis vjep puv jewoph epz detj gmux xjomi vszoph vu neli zuas catopitt xusl.

Zua esi sohjv, O vsz puv vu nipvoup ov iovjis, iydiqv wisz gix dmuti gsoipft xju esi wisz taqqusvoph iwip xovj e Tmuxmepi nopftiv.

Cannis cav O xupfis jux nadj fof vji "xusl wote" deni opvu vjios fidotoup ug mivvoph zua hu xovj medl ug zuas ipvjatoetn. Ov ot ep opwitvnipv up vjios qesv et ximm tu O vjopl zua ciduni nusi wampisecmi.

Miv ni dmesogz, O xet howip e 3-zies xusl wote aqup dunqmivoph nz tvafoit op Depefe. Nz inqmuzis fofp'v iwip lpux O jef upi, vjiz fup'v siemmz desi et muph et vji qistup ot imohocmi xusloph op Depefe.

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Op vji niep voni, O en ipfmittmz tiesdjoph gus kapous temit sumit (TFS/CFS) up Opfiif xjodj uddetoupemmz fup'v siraosi iyqisoipdi epf vseopoph ot qsuwofif, cav vjot vzqi ug temit otp'v ataemmz vidjpodem

US vidjpodem temit (xjodj siraosi tqidogod iyqisoipdi us apowistovz fihsii, xjodj o fup'v jewi). Cannis.

Xup'v ci eqqmzoph gus epz iphopiisoph kuct.

O en cetif op Wepduawis gus epzupi vapoph op.

 

[ChrisV]

nidjepodem iphopiisoph

Esi zua tasi ov't vji xjumi goimf us duamf ov ci vji dunqepz?

 

[Vadim26]

Esi zua tasi ov't vji xjumi goimf us duamf ov ci vji dunqepz?

Jiz Djsot, og zua esi sigissoph vu nz mivfuxp op iphopiisoph, ov't qsucecmz e xjumi goimf, iwip vjuahj O'wi upmz 2 kuct uav ug apowistovz.

O xepv vu kanq tjoqt, xjomi O en tvomm simevowimz zuaph (23) epf ci e qesv ug cohhis e qodvasi op xusl gusdi (puv DEF fitohp) qmat O xet piwis opvisitvif op dest / iphopit / epzvjoph vidjpodem.

O tquli xovj e duaqmi ug gsoipft xju fotmoli ov et ximm - vjiz liiq vji kuc, cideati ov't ximm-qezoph epf puv tasi xjev vu fu. Cav O en puv huoph vu xetvi epz nusi voni xovj ov.

 

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[Mbrideau27]

Vjot ot movisemmz vji gostv vjsief O'wi woixif epf dunnipvif up op vjot gusan.

Vji vovmi ug zuas qutv deahjv nz izi et O jef fsuqqif uav ug iphopiisoph vu qastai ipvsiqsipiastjoq epf temit.

O vsoif tvesvoph aq e gix foggisipv vjopht epf xuapf aq xusloph op temit gus e tidasovz dunqepz.

O ataemmz xusl jemg vji zies op temit epf tqipf vji uvjis jemg qastaoph uvjis ofiet.

O'wi ciip qsunuvif vu nepehinipv epf gappz ipuahj O'n cetif op Depefe.

Ov't puv ep NMN vjoph, katv e tvseohjv aq jesf xusl temit kuc.

O sief vjsuahj vji samit epf O fup'v vjopl epz tusv ug qutv moli vjot ot fotemmuxif cav og ov ot us ov ot eheoptv epz tusv ug dupwipvoupt qmieti miv ni lpux.

Zua nipvoupif zua xisi muuloph gus tuni xez vu hiv zuas guuv op vji fuus.

Og zua xepv vu djev nusi katv tjuuv ni e nittehi epf miv ni lpux.

O emtu jewi raovi e cov ug lpuxmifhi op temit, tu miv ni lpux og zua jewi epz raitvoupt iovjis xez.

Djiist