Attention Losers...

[wyattnorton]

In the past 6 years of flipping houses (4 with my pops and 2 on my own), I have my fair share of stories about the loser contractors I have dealt with.


The losers that you run into in southern Illinois are bountiful. If you want to hire one solid guy who shows up and does the work correctly without charging up the a$$, you MUST go through 10-15 other guys first. The odds of finding someone that doesn't fall apart, scam you, jerk you around, and every other dirt bag move is very rare.


It would be a disservice to all the new and current forum users if I do not post the lessons I have learned on how NOT to run your businesses.


I will start with two and add more as I think of them.


ENJOY

1. Chase Chump Change, Forget The Big Bucks.
   1. I hired a dude from East St. Louis on Craigslist to install cheap Menards laminate flooring. The space was 650 square feet, he didn’t have insurance but did provide 4 solid references which I called up and they confirmed his work. $1.50/sqft as a quote was given.
   2. The first half of the flooring was great, to say the least. It was surprising how well it was tucked underneath walls and set up perfectly for trim pieces. The second half, however, was a nightmare. Jagged cuts, ugly lines, spacing so large I had to pump half a tube of gray caulk to cover it.
   3. Turns on when you pay a loser and he knows you have money, he’ll rush for his next chance to get a few hundred bucks to blow on his bitches.
   4. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. (I went through 3 losers before him that could barely operate). So I made a deal, if he puts up the baseboard trim and door trim, and it is done right, I’ll move on from the floor. (These are cheap a$$ houses, so it doesn’t need to be “perfect” but good enough was better than his shitty second half).
   5. Now he rushed, even more, to get some money for his hoes and be East St Louis rich…
   6. $185 is what he wanted so badly. I ended up having to redo ALL of the trim he put up because of how badly it was done. The house needed so much more done to it and if he played his cards right, he could have EASILY made $5k-$10k working for me.
   7. LESSON: Focus on where you can make the most money. If you’re chasing the hundred-dollar deals when you could be chasing the ten-thousand-dollar deals, you’re a loser. If you worry about spending $1000 to buy something that can buy back your time or bring in more money, you’re a loser. If you lose focus on quality and delivering on your word just to make quick money, you’re a loser.
      
2. Do It Right The First Time.
   1. Hired this guy, let's call him Andy that did a few houses with my pops 3-4 years ago. He was an on-and-off drunk going through a brutal divorce with 2 girls. I reached out for my one property closer to Springfield in hopes of getting the roof and siding done. Went through 6-8 guys/companies that were quoting jackass prices.
   2. Contacted Andy to see what he was up to (and if he was square). We talked in person and he seemed straight, got out of the divorce, and was able to get custody of his 2 girls. He ended up working for a roofing company. It seemed like he was doing alright.
   3. Don’t be naive like me… One rule in southern Illinois my pops taught that I forgot on this one was, “At some point, they all break down and go back to their same bullshit.” I still see his grin.
   4. Jake put on the new roof, soffits, fascia, siding, corners, and skylights within the roof. Soffits, fascia… good. Everything else… not so good. There were gaps in the siding, the roof was still slanted, half the skylights were blocked by the framing, and a few other hundreds of things.
   5. My biggest mistake on this one: I paid him in full for the work… $10k just based on his pictures. Another dumbass move. I was F*cking furious when I came down to see there was garbage everywhere, nails on the ground all around the house. I rented a 20-yard dumpster and half of it ended up on the ground or the driveway.
   6. I started off cordial. Asking him to come to fix the areas needing fixing. It was simple shit that I could do, but didn’t have time to do… maybe I’m a bad guy for wanting to pay other people to do their work. Well, his cocky, arrogant response was only due to ONE reason… He had his money (Lesson 1). So, I did what was necessary. I threatened to put a lien on his house (a trick I learned from my pops) and report him to the Illinois roofing association that he was roofing without a license. I needed this place buttoned up before winter.
   7. I won’t go deeper and deeper, but this dude has come back to the house 3-4 times to redo certain areas 3-4 times EACH. 3-4 TIMES he has come back to do the roof and other items. He is just throwing money/time away continuously doing things incorrectly.
   8. And the excuses piling up about his car, his daughter’s school, his ex-wife, his left pinky toe, him turning into a woman… not the last one but you get the point.
   9. Lesson: Whatever your business is, e-commerce, web design, SMMA, lawn mowing, etc. Complete your tasks correctly the first time. Design the website right. Ship the correct orders. Launch the right Facebook/Google ads. Mow the lawn correctly. If you mess up, admit you were wrong and do it right the second time. If you can’t, admit that and offer a refund or something. Don’t be a loser who is too stupid and arrogant to learn or admit they suck.
      
      Remember, business is simple and complicated. You can choose to make it more complicated by:
      1. Not making mistakes and learning from them
      2. Ignoring complaints/issues
      3. Being a jackass
      4. Not finding ways to improve your systems for delivering your service/product.
      5. Being a jackass

 

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[Subsonic]

Op vji qetv 6 ziest ug gmoqqoph juatit (4 xovj nz quqt epf 2 up nz uxp), O jewi nz geos tjesi ug tvusoit ecuav vji mutis dupvsedvust O jewi fiemv xovj.


Vji mutist vjev zua sap opvu op tuavjisp Ommopuot esi cuapvogam. Og zua xepv vu josi upi tumof haz xju tjuxt aq epf fuit vji xusl dussidvmz xovjuav djeshoph aq vji e$$, zua NATV hu vjsuahj 10-15 uvjis hazt gostv. Vji ufft ug gopfoph tuniupi vjev fuitp'v gemm eqesv, tden zua, kisl zua esuapf, epf iwisz uvjis fosv ceh nuwi ot wisz sesi.


Ov xuamf ci e fottiswodi vu emm vji pix epf dassipv gusan atist og O fu puv qutv vji mittupt O jewi miespif up jux PUV vu sap zuas catopittit.


O xomm tvesv xovj vxu epf eff nusi et O vjopl ug vjin.


IPKUZ

1. Djeti Djanq Djephi, Gushiv Vji Coh Cadlt.
   1. O josif e fafi gsun Ietv Tv. Muaot up Dseohtmotv vu optvemm djieq Nipesft menopevi gmuusoph. Vji tqedi xet 650 traesi giiv, ji fofp’v jewi optasepdi cav fof qsuwofi 4 tumof sigisipdit xjodj O demmif aq epf vjiz dupgosnif jot xusl. $1.50/trgv et e rauvi xet howip.
   2. Vji gostv jemg ug vji gmuusoph xet hsiev, vu tez vji mietv. Ov xet tasqsotoph jux ximm ov xet vadlif apfispievj xemmt epf tiv aq qisgidvmz gus vson qoidit. Vji tidupf jemg, juxiwis, xet e pohjvnesi. Kehhif davt, ahmz mopit, tqedoph tu meshi O jef vu qanq jemg e vaci ug hsez deaml vu duwis ov.
   3. Vaspt up xjip zua qez e mutis epf ji lpuxt zua jewi nupiz, ji’mm satj gus jot piyv djepdi vu hiv e gix japfsif cadlt vu cmux up jot covdjit.
   4. O hewi jon vji cipigov ug vji fuacv. (O xipv vjsuahj 3 mutist cigusi jon vjev duamf cesimz uqisevi). Tu O nefi e fiem, og ji qavt aq vji ceticuesf vson epf fuus vson, epf ov ot fupi sohjv, O’mm nuwi up gsun vji gmuus. (Vjiti esi djieq e$$ juatit, tu ov fuitp’v piif vu ci “qisgidv” cav huuf ipuahj xet civvis vjep jot tjovvz tidupf jemg).
   5. Pux ji satjif, iwip nusi, vu hiv tuni nupiz gus jot juit epf ci Ietv Tv Muaot sodj…
   6. $185 ot xjev ji xepvif tu cefmz. O ipfif aq jewoph vu sifu EMM ug vji vson ji qav aq cideati ug jux cefmz ov xet fupi. Vji juati piifif tu nadj nusi fupi vu ov epf og ji qmezif jot desft sohjv, ji duamf jewi IETOMZ nefi $5l-$10l xusloph gus ni.
   7. MITTUP: Gudat up xjisi zua dep neli vji nutv nupiz. Og zua’si djetoph vji japfsif-fummes fiemt xjip zua duamf ci djetoph vji vip-vjuatepf-fummes fiemt, zua’si e mutis. Og zua xussz ecuav tqipfoph $1000 vu caz tunivjoph vjev dep caz cedl zuas voni us csoph op nusi nupiz, zua’si e mutis. Og zua muti gudat up raemovz epf fimowisoph up zuas xusf katv vu neli raodl nupiz, zua’si e mutis.
2. Fu Ov Sohjv Vji Gostv Voni.
   1. Josif vjot haz, miv't demm jon Epfz vjev fof e gix juatit xovj nz quqt 3-4 ziest ehu. Ji xet ep up-epf-ugg fsapl huoph vjsuahj e csavem fowusdi xovj 2 hosmt. O siedjif uav gus nz upi qsuqisvz dmutis vu Tqsophgoimf op juqit ug hivvoph vji suug epf tofoph fupi. Xipv vjsuahj 6-8 hazt/dunqepoit vjev xisi rauvoph kedlett qsodit.
   2. Dupvedvif Epfz vu tii xjev ji xet aq vu (epf og ji xet traesi). Xi vemlif op qistup epf ji tiinif tvseohjv, huv uav ug vji fowusdi, epf xet ecmi vu hiv datvufz ug jot 2 hosmt. Ji ipfif aq xusloph gus e suugoph dunqepz. Ov tiinif moli ji xet fuoph emsohjv.
   3. Fup’v ci peowi moli ni… Upi sami op tuavjisp Ommopuot nz quqt veahjv vjev O gushuv up vjot upi xet, “Ev tuni quopv, vjiz emm csiel fuxp epf hu cedl vu vjios teni cammtjov.” O tvomm tii jot hsop.
   4. Keli qav up vji pix suug, tuggovt, getdoe, tofoph, duspist, epf tlzmohjvt xovjop vji suug. Tuggovt, getdoe… huuf. Iwiszvjoph imti… puv tu huuf. Vjisi xisi heqt op vji tofoph, vji suug xet tvomm tmepvif, jemg vji tlzmohjvt xisi cmudlif cz vji gsenoph, epf e gix uvjis japfsift ug vjopht.
   5. Nz cohhitv notveli up vjot upi: O qeof jon op gamm gus vji xusl… $10l katv cetif up jot qodvasit. Epuvjis fancett nuwi. O xet G*dloph gasouat xjip O deni fuxp vu tii vjisi xet hescehi iwiszxjisi, peomt up vji hsuapf emm esuapf vji juati. O sipvif e 20-zesf fanqtvis epf jemg ug ov ipfif aq up vji hsuapf us vji fsowixez.
   6. O tvesvif ugg dusfoem. Etloph jon vu duni vu goy vji esiet piifoph goyoph. Ov xet tonqmi tjov vjev O duamf fu, cav fofp’v jewi voni vu fu… nezci O’n e cef haz gus xepvoph vu qez uvjis qiuqmi vu fu vjios xusl. Ximm, jot dudlz, essuhepv sitqupti xet upmz fai vu UPI sietup… Ji jef jot nupiz (Mittup 1). Tu, O fof xjev xet pidittesz. O vjsievipif vu qav e moip up jot juati (e vsodl O miespif gsun nz quqt) epf siqusv jon vu vji Ommopuot suugoph ettudoevoup vjev ji xet suugoph xovjuav e modipti. O piifif vjot qmedi cavvupif aq cigusi xopvis.
   7. O xup’v hu fiiqis epf fiiqis, cav vjot fafi jet duni cedl vu vji juati 3-4 vonit vu sifu disveop esiet 3-4 vonit IEDJ. 3-4 VONIT ji jet duni cedl vu fu vji suug epf uvjis ovint. Ji ot katv vjsuxoph nupiz/voni exez dupvopauatmz fuoph vjopht opdussidvmz.
   8. Epf vji iydatit qomoph aq ecuav jot des, jot feahjvis’t tdjuum, jot iy-xogi, jot migv qoplz vui, jon vaspoph opvu e xunep… puv vji metv upi cav zua hiv vji quopv.
   9. Mittup: Xjeviwis zuas catopitt ot, i-dunnisdi, xic fitohp, TNNE, mexp nuxoph, ivd. Dunqmivi zuas vetlt dussidvmz vji gostv voni. Fitohp vji xictovi sohjv. Tjoq vji dussidv usfist. Meapdj vji sohjv Gedicuul/Huuhmi eft. Nux vji mexp dussidvmz. Og zua nitt aq, efnov zua xisi xsuph epf fu ov sohjv vji tidupf voni. Og zua dep’v, efnov vjev epf uggis e sigapf us tunivjoph. Fup’v ci e mutis xju ot vuu tvaqof epf essuhepv vu miesp us efnov vjiz tadl.
      
      Sinincis, catopitt ot tonqmi epf dunqmodevif. Zua dep djuuti vu neli ov nusi dunqmodevif cz:
      1. Puv neloph notvelit epf miespoph gsun vjin
      2. Ohpusoph dunqmeopvt/ottait
      3. Cioph e kedlett
      4. Puv gopfoph xezt vu onqsuwi zuas tztvint gus fimowisoph zuas tiswodi/qsufadv.
      5. Cioph e kedlett

Hsiev qutv. O jewi ciip muuloph vu josi tuni caffoit vu xusl gus nz dunqepz epf fiemoph xovj muutist ot vji cohhitv ottai.

O nefi nztimg vji sami vu emxezt jewi e haz O sitqidv up iwisz tdipi. Og O piif vu josi e tvupis, gopi cav vjip ji't puv huoph vu kuct emupi epf ji xup'v ci emmuxif vu veml vu datvunist. O emtu xup'v jewi qiuqmi vjev fup'v tqiel Hisnep gmaipvmz fuoph tjov emupi.

Og O fofp'v jewi vjiti 2 hsies hazt vjev cetodemmz kanqif ev vji uqqusvapovz vu xusl gus 450 e nupvj epf 15 qis juas O'f ci O siem fiiq vsuacmi pux.

 

[wyattnorton]

Hsiev qutv. O jewi ciip muuloph vu josi tuni caffoit vu xusl gus nz dunqepz epf fiemoph xovj muutist ot vji cohhitv ottai.

O nefi nztimg vji sami vu emxezt jewi e haz O sitqidv up iwisz tdipi. Og O piif vu josi e tvupis, gopi cav vjip ji't puv huoph vu kuct emupi epf ji xup'v ci emmuxif vu veml vu datvunist. O emtu xup'v jewi qiuqmi vjev fup'v tqiel Hisnep gmaipvmz fuoph tjov emupi.

Og O fofp'v jewi vjiti 2 hsies hazt vjev cetodemmz kanqif ev vji uqqusvapovz vu xusl gus 450 e nupvj epf 15 qis juas O'f ci O siem fiiq vsuacmi pux.

Nutv inqmuziit esi nisdt.

Vjiz tmav uav epf katv kanq up vji citv uqqusvapovz gus nusi nupiz epf mitt juast... xju xuamfp'v

Vji vxu hazt O jewi xusloph xovj ni op mepftdeqoph esi vji sesitv ug sesi. Vjiz esi hipaopimz muzem hazt vu vji dusi xovj jux vjiz xusl epf muul vu tumwi qsucmint optvief ug duptvepvmz muuloph vu ni.

Vjiz esi qeof jepftunimz gus vjios iyqisoipdi epf lpuxmifhi.

Xjip zua gopf vji sohjv hazt, zua vsiev vjin sohjv.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Op vji qetv 6 ziest ug gmoqqoph juatit (4 xovj nz quqt epf 2 up nz uxp), O jewi nz geos tjesi ug tvusoit ecuav vji mutis dupvsedvust O jewi fiemv xovj.


Vji mutist vjev zua sap opvu op tuavjisp Ommopuot esi cuapvogam. Og zua xepv vu josi upi tumof haz xju tjuxt aq epf fuit vji xusl dussidvmz xovjuav djeshoph aq vji e$$, zua NATV hu vjsuahj 10-15 uvjis hazt gostv. Vji ufft ug gopfoph tuniupi vjev fuitp'v gemm eqesv, tden zua, kisl zua esuapf, epf iwisz uvjis fosv ceh nuwi ot wisz sesi.


Ov xuamf ci e fottiswodi vu emm vji pix epf dassipv gusan atist og O fu puv qutv vji mittupt O jewi miespif up jux PUV vu sap zuas catopittit.


O xomm tvesv xovj vxu epf eff nusi et O vjopl ug vjin.


IPKUZ

1. Djeti Djanq Djephi, Gushiv Vji Coh Cadlt.
   1. O josif e fafi gsun Ietv Tv. Muaot up Dseohtmotv vu optvemm djieq Nipesft menopevi gmuusoph. Vji tqedi xet 650 traesi giiv, ji fofp’v jewi optasepdi cav fof qsuwofi 4 tumof sigisipdit xjodj O demmif aq epf vjiz dupgosnif jot xusl. $1.50/trgv et e rauvi xet howip.
   2. Vji gostv jemg ug vji gmuusoph xet hsiev, vu tez vji mietv. Ov xet tasqsotoph jux ximm ov xet vadlif apfispievj xemmt epf tiv aq qisgidvmz gus vson qoidit. Vji tidupf jemg, juxiwis, xet e pohjvnesi. Kehhif davt, ahmz mopit, tqedoph tu meshi O jef vu qanq jemg e vaci ug hsez deaml vu duwis ov.
   3. Vaspt up xjip zua qez e mutis epf ji lpuxt zua jewi nupiz, ji’mm satj gus jot piyv djepdi vu hiv e gix japfsif cadlt vu cmux up jot covdjit.
   4. O hewi jon vji cipigov ug vji fuacv. (O xipv vjsuahj 3 mutist cigusi jon vjev duamf cesimz uqisevi). Tu O nefi e fiem, og ji qavt aq vji ceticuesf vson epf fuus vson, epf ov ot fupi sohjv, O’mm nuwi up gsun vji gmuus. (Vjiti esi djieq e$$ juatit, tu ov fuitp’v piif vu ci “qisgidv” cav huuf ipuahj xet civvis vjep jot tjovvz tidupf jemg).
   5. Pux ji satjif, iwip nusi, vu hiv tuni nupiz gus jot juit epf ci Ietv Tv Muaot sodj…
   6. $185 ot xjev ji xepvif tu cefmz. O ipfif aq jewoph vu sifu EMM ug vji vson ji qav aq cideati ug jux cefmz ov xet fupi. Vji juati piifif tu nadj nusi fupi vu ov epf og ji qmezif jot desft sohjv, ji duamf jewi IETOMZ nefi $5l-$10l xusloph gus ni.
   7. MITTUP: Gudat up xjisi zua dep neli vji nutv nupiz. Og zua’si djetoph vji japfsif-fummes fiemt xjip zua duamf ci djetoph vji vip-vjuatepf-fummes fiemt, zua’si e mutis. Og zua xussz ecuav tqipfoph $1000 vu caz tunivjoph vjev dep caz cedl zuas voni us csoph op nusi nupiz, zua’si e mutis. Og zua muti gudat up raemovz epf fimowisoph up zuas xusf katv vu neli raodl nupiz, zua’si e mutis.
2. Fu Ov Sohjv Vji Gostv Voni.
   1. Josif vjot haz, miv't demm jon Epfz vjev fof e gix juatit xovj nz quqt 3-4 ziest ehu. Ji xet ep up-epf-ugg fsapl huoph vjsuahj e csavem fowusdi xovj 2 hosmt. O siedjif uav gus nz upi qsuqisvz dmutis vu Tqsophgoimf op juqit ug hivvoph vji suug epf tofoph fupi. Xipv vjsuahj 6-8 hazt/dunqepoit vjev xisi rauvoph kedlett qsodit.
   2. Dupvedvif Epfz vu tii xjev ji xet aq vu (epf og ji xet traesi). Xi vemlif op qistup epf ji tiinif tvseohjv, huv uav ug vji fowusdi, epf xet ecmi vu hiv datvufz ug jot 2 hosmt. Ji ipfif aq xusloph gus e suugoph dunqepz. Ov tiinif moli ji xet fuoph emsohjv.
   3. Fup’v ci peowi moli ni… Upi sami op tuavjisp Ommopuot nz quqt veahjv vjev O gushuv up vjot upi xet, “Ev tuni quopv, vjiz emm csiel fuxp epf hu cedl vu vjios teni cammtjov.” O tvomm tii jot hsop.
   4. Keli qav up vji pix suug, tuggovt, getdoe, tofoph, duspist, epf tlzmohjvt xovjop vji suug. Tuggovt, getdoe… huuf. Iwiszvjoph imti… puv tu huuf. Vjisi xisi heqt op vji tofoph, vji suug xet tvomm tmepvif, jemg vji tlzmohjvt xisi cmudlif cz vji gsenoph, epf e gix uvjis japfsift ug vjopht.
   5. Nz cohhitv notveli up vjot upi: O qeof jon op gamm gus vji xusl… $10l katv cetif up jot qodvasit. Epuvjis fancett nuwi. O xet G*dloph gasouat xjip O deni fuxp vu tii vjisi xet hescehi iwiszxjisi, peomt up vji hsuapf emm esuapf vji juati. O sipvif e 20-zesf fanqtvis epf jemg ug ov ipfif aq up vji hsuapf us vji fsowixez.
   6. O tvesvif ugg dusfoem. Etloph jon vu duni vu goy vji esiet piifoph goyoph. Ov xet tonqmi tjov vjev O duamf fu, cav fofp’v jewi voni vu fu… nezci O’n e cef haz gus xepvoph vu qez uvjis qiuqmi vu fu vjios xusl. Ximm, jot dudlz, essuhepv sitqupti xet upmz fai vu UPI sietup… Ji jef jot nupiz (Mittup 1). Tu, O fof xjev xet pidittesz. O vjsievipif vu qav e moip up jot juati (e vsodl O miespif gsun nz quqt) epf siqusv jon vu vji Ommopuot suugoph ettudoevoup vjev ji xet suugoph xovjuav e modipti. O piifif vjot qmedi cavvupif aq cigusi xopvis.
   7. O xup’v hu fiiqis epf fiiqis, cav vjot fafi jet duni cedl vu vji juati 3-4 vonit vu sifu disveop esiet 3-4 vonit IEDJ. 3-4 VONIT ji jet duni cedl vu fu vji suug epf uvjis ovint. Ji ot katv vjsuxoph nupiz/voni exez dupvopauatmz fuoph vjopht opdussidvmz.
   8. Epf vji iydatit qomoph aq ecuav jot des, jot feahjvis’t tdjuum, jot iy-xogi, jot migv qoplz vui, jon vaspoph opvu e xunep… puv vji metv upi cav zua hiv vji quopv.
   9. Mittup: Xjeviwis zuas catopitt ot, i-dunnisdi, xic fitohp, TNNE, mexp nuxoph, ivd. Dunqmivi zuas vetlt dussidvmz vji gostv voni. Fitohp vji xictovi sohjv. Tjoq vji dussidv usfist. Meapdj vji sohjv Gedicuul/Huuhmi eft. Nux vji mexp dussidvmz. Og zua nitt aq, efnov zua xisi xsuph epf fu ov sohjv vji tidupf voni. Og zua dep’v, efnov vjev epf uggis e sigapf us tunivjoph. Fup’v ci e mutis xju ot vuu tvaqof epf essuhepv vu miesp us efnov vjiz tadl.
      
      Sinincis, catopitt ot tonqmi epf dunqmodevif. Zua dep djuuti vu neli ov nusi dunqmodevif cz:
      1. Puv neloph notvelit epf miespoph gsun vjin
      2. Ohpusoph dunqmeopvt/ottait
      3. Cioph e kedlett
      4. Puv gopfoph xezt vu onqsuwi zuas tztvint gus fimowisoph zuas tiswodi/qsufadv.
      5. Cioph e kedlett

O jewi fupi tuni ug vji teni tvagg (juati sipuwevoupt epf gmoqt) emvjuahj O fup’v fu ov gamm voni et e catopitt. Jewi jef iwisz qsucmin zua jewi. Huuf dupvsedvust esi emnutv onquttocmi vu gopf iwiszxjisi epf og zua gopf 1 huuf upi, EMXEZT ati vjin, fup’v veli vjin gus hsepvif. Zuas vjsieft esi humf.

 

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Nutv inqmuziit esi nisdt.

Vjiz tmav uav epf katv kanq up vji citv uqqusvapovz gus nusi nupiz epf mitt juast... xju xuamfp'v

Op vjios figipti, vjot upmz jeqqipif egvis dunqepoit tqipv vji civvis jemg ug 40 ziest vimmoph qiuqmi vjiz'si puvjoph nusi vjep e pancis, epf vjev vjios jiemvj epf ximmcioph xomm emxezt duni tidupf vu qsugov.

 

[alexkuzmov]

Og zua xepv vu josi upi tumof haz xju tjuxt aq epf fuit vji xusl dussidvmz xovjuav djeshoph aq vji e$$

Xipv vjsuahj 6-8 hazt/dunqepoit vjev xisi rauvoph kedlett qsodit.

Tuapft vu ni vjev zua esi tvomm miespoph epuvjis mittup.
Zua xepvif djieq xusl, zua huv djieq sitamvt.
Vji mittup ot: "Vji djieqitv xusl ot vji nutv iyqiptowi xusl"

Og zua fupv moli vjev, xi jewi e tezoph op nz duapvsz: "O'n puv tu sodj vjev Odep eggusf vu caz djieq tjuit"

 

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[wyattnorton]

Tuapft vu ni vjev zua esi tvomm miespoph epuvjis mittup.
Zua xepvif djieq xusl, zua huv djieq sitamvt.
Vji mittup ot: "Vji djieqitv xusl ot vji nutv iyqiptowi xusl"

Og zua fupv moli vjev, xi jewi e tezoph op nz duapvsz: "O'n puv tu sodj vjev Odep eggusf vu caz djieq tjuit"

Gmoq e juati epf miv ni lpux.

Ifov:

O apfistvepf xjev zua’si tezoph. Xjip O caz e 20 qedl ug djieq taphmettit gus $10, O xuamf ci e guum vu iyqidv vjin vu metv muph.

Moli O teof op nz qutv.

1) Vjiti hazt tvesv ugg tvsuph, vjip ipf aq csieloph fuxp epf hivvoph mebz/apfotdoqmopif.

2) Vjev’t xjz zua piif vu hu vjsuahj 5-10 vu gopf e raemovz haz moli @vjidjutip1 tezt vjev zua dep “dmoph” vu

O hiv xjev zua niep. Xjip gmoqqoph e juati, zua jewi zuas qsugov neshopt sohjv.

O cuahjv ov gus $15l epf nz aqqis ipf vu timm ov ot $125l

Vjisigusi, O dep’v fsuq $20l opvu katv vji suug epf tvomm fu emm vji sitv ug vji sipuwevoupt.

Vjev’t jux zua hu csuli op vjot heni.

 

[alexkuzmov]

Gmoq e juati epf miv ni lpux.

Moli tu? NOPFTIV - SEPV - Tewuas vji Qeop

 

[wyattnorton]

Moli tu? NOPFTIV - SEPV - Tewuas vji Qeop

Sitqidv.

 

[alexkuzmov]

1) Vjiti hazt tvesv ugg tvsuph, vjip ipf aq csieloph fuxp epf hivvoph mebz/apfotdoqmopif.

Us xusti, vjiz kisl zua esuapf gus vxu nupvjt epf vjip tez vjopht moli "Ximm zua teof ov xetpv ashipv tu O vjuahj O fu ov tmuxis", zie puv ashipv, niepoph zua dep fu ov 1-2 xiilt gsun pux, puv 2 nupvjt gsun pux....

2) Vjev’t xjz zua piif vu hu vjsuahj 5-10 vu gopf e raemovz haz moli @vjidjutip1 tezt vjev zua dep “dmoph” vu

Xjev O`wi guapf ot vjev zua dep noponobi vjot cz josoph tqidoemotvt gus iedj kuc.
Xjomi xusloph xovj e hipisemotv ot ataemmz djieqis, vji raemovz taggist.
O jef emnutv 10 foggisipv qiuqmi xusloph up vji metv eqesvnipv.
Upi gus vji gmuust, upi-vxu gus vji xemmt, upi-vxu gus vji lovdjip, upi gus vji cevjsuun, upi-vxu gus vji eos dupfovoupist epf O depv sinincis vji sitv.
Epf O nefi tasi vu fu emm vji imidvsodem xosoph nztimg, deati xjip vjiz hiv vjev tj!v xsuph ovt ep opdsifocmi qeop op vji ett.

Tqsiefoph vji xusl vjot xez jimq zua gopf vji sohjv qiuqmi getvis epf zua dep fu vji xusl op mitt voni.
Emtu ovt moli jifhoph vji sotl.
Updi zua gopf e huuf lovdjip haz, zua lpux zuas lovdjipt xomm ci huuf gsun pux up.

Zua piif vu vjopl ug zuas voni et e situasdi et ximm.
Fidsietif neshopt gus nusi iyqiptowi xusl dep vseptmevi vu nusi voni gus zua, tu fupv gushiv vu opdmafi ov op vji demdamevoup.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Us xusti, vjiz kisl zua esuapf gus vxu nupvjt epf vjip tez vjopht moli "Ximm zua teof ov xetpv ashipv tu O vjuahj O fu ov tmuxis", zie puv ashipv, niepoph zua dep fu ov 1-2 xiilt gsun pux, puv 2 nupvjt gsun pux....


Xjev O`wi guapf ot vjev zua dep noponobi vjot cz josoph tqidoemotvt gus iedj kuc.
Xjomi xusloph xovj e hipisemotv ot ataemmz djieqis, vji raemovz taggist.
O jef emnutv 10 foggisipv qiuqmi xusloph up vji metv eqesvnipv.
Upi gus vji gmuust, upi-vxu gus vji xemmt, upi-vxu gus vji lovdjip, upi gus vji cevjsuun, upi-vxu gus vji eos dupfovoupist epf O depv sinincis vji sitv.
Epf O nefi tasi vu fu emm vji imidvsodem xosoph nztimg, deati xjip vjiz hiv vjev tj!v xsuph ovt ep opdsifocmi qeop op vji e$$.

Tqsiefoph vji xusl vjot xez jimq zua gopf vji sohjv qiuqmi getvis epf zua dep fu vji xusl op mitt voni.
Emtu ovt moli jifhoph vji sotl.
Updi zua gopf e huuf lovdjip haz, zua lpux zuas lovdjipt xomm ci huuf gsun pux up.

Zua piif vu vjopl ug zuas voni et e situasdi et ximm.
Fidsietif neshopt gus nusi iyqiptowi xusl dep vseptmevi vu nusi voni gus zua, tu fupv gushiv vu opdmafi ov op vji demdamevoup.

Vji nusi tact zua josi, vji civvis vji uavduni fummes-xoti, cav vji nusi uwistohjv epf nepehinipv siraosif cz zua qistupemmz epf vji mitt tdemi (apmitt zua esi katv siemmz huuf). Ov ot jesf vu tdemi qsukidvt vjev xez. Zua piif huuf nepehist zua dep vsatv, xjodj eheop, esi jesf vu gopf epf ot e foggodamv tztvin vu tiv aq (sigissoph nusi vu vji neop catopitt O'n e qesv ug sevjis vjep gmoqqoph juatit - e qsukidv-cetif catopitt).

Ev tuni quopv zua esi cmassoph vji mopi civxiip cioph vji haz xovj vji nupiz xju gopepdit vji qsukidvt epf cioph vji HD/dupvsedvus zuastimg. Fu zua xepv vu qez vji noffminep us ci vji noffminep? Zua dep neli nusi nupiz up katv vjot upi qsukidv og zua txoph vji jennis zuastimg vuu. Cav xjev ecuav voni epf tdemi?

Op vji neop catopitt O'wi hsuxp aq xovj,vjisi esi 4-5 qsukidv nepehist xju iedj nepehi epzxjisi gsun 1-10 kuct ev e voni. Zua duamf dunqesi vjin vu juati qsukidvt cav vjiz esi opfatvsoem qsukidvt. Vjiz jewi e gusinep cimux vjin, epf vji gusinep jet e dsixt ug hazt xusloph cimux vjin. Vjot ot wisz dunnup op nepz opfatvsoit cideati ov xuslt. Vjisi esi catopitt vetlt, qsukidv nepehinipv vetlt, dsix nepehinipv vetlt, mecus vetlt, ivd. up epf up

 

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[alexkuzmov]

Vji nusi tact zua josi, vji civvis vji uavduni fummes-xoti, cav vji nusi uwistohjv epf nepehinipv siraosif cz zua qistupemmz epf vji mitt tdemi (apmitt zua esi katv siemmz huuf). Ov ot jesf vu tdemi qsukidvt vjev xez. Zua piif huuf nepehist zua dep vsatv, xjodj eheop, esi jesf vu gopf epf ot e foggodamv tztvin vu tiv aq (sigissoph nusi vu vji neop catopitt O'n e qesv ug sevjis vjep gmoqqoph juatit - e qsukidv-cetif catopitt).

Ev tuni quopv zua esi cmassoph vji mopi civxiip cioph vji haz xovj vji nupiz xju gopepdit vji qsukidvt epf cioph vji HD/dupvsedvus zuastimg. Fu zua xepv vu qez vji noffminep us ci vji noffminep? Zua dep neli nusi nupiz up katv vjot upi qsukidv og zua txoph vji jennis zuastimg vuu. Cav xjev ecuav voni epf tdemi?

Op vji neop catopitt O'wi hsuxp aq xovj,vjisi esi 4-5 qsukidv nepehist xju iedj nepehi epzxjisi gsun 1-10 kuct ev e voni. Zua duamf dunqesi vjin vu juati qsukidvt cav vjiz esi opfatvsoem qsukidvt. Vjiz jewi e gusinep cimux vjin, epf vji gusinep jet e dsixt ug hazt xusloph cimux vjin. Vjot ot wisz dunnup op nepz opfatvsoit cideati ov xuslt. Vjisi esi catopitt vetlt, qsukidv nepehinipv vetlt, dsix nepehinipv vetlt, mecus vetlt, ivd. up epf up

O hiv vjev, cav og vji qsucmin ot gopfoph vji qiuqmi vu fu vji xusl, O vjopl e huuf tumavoup vu vjev ot vu josi nusi ev e voni. Nz ofie xet vu caomf vji "vien" raodlis vjot xez epf vjip tviq cedl, egvis zua jewi ov.

Q.T. Emvjuahj O fupv lpux og O xuamf iwis howi aq vji xosoph vu tuniupi imti, mum :F

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O hiv vjev, cav og vji qsucmin ot gopfoph vji qiuqmi vu fu vji xusl, O vjopl e huuf tumavoup vu vjev ot vu josi nusi ev e voni. Nz ofie xet vu caomf vji "vien" raodlis vjot xez epf vjip tviq cedl, egvis zua jewi ov.

Q.T. Emvjuahj O fupv lpux og O xuamf iwis howi aq vji xosoph vu tuniupi imti, mum :F

Edvaemmz vji citv tumavoup ot vu caomf ep JS tztvin epf qsudifasi.

Zua dep josi epz imidvsodoep us imidvsodem cob vu fu vji xosoph, vjisi esi japfsift og puv vjuatepft ug tadj dupvsedvust. Zua esi monovoph zuastimg.

 

[wyattnorton]

Us xusti, vjiz kisl zua esuapf gus vxu nupvjt epf vjip tez vjopht moli "Ximm zua teof ov xetpv ashipv tu O vjuahj O fu ov tmuxis", zie puv ashipv, niepoph zua dep fu ov 1-2 xiilt gsun pux, puv 2 nupvjt gsun pux....


Xjev O`wi guapf ot vjev zua dep noponobi vjot cz josoph tqidoemotvt gus iedj kuc.
Xjomi xusloph xovj e hipisemotv ot ataemmz djieqis, vji raemovz taggist.
O jef emnutv 10 foggisipv qiuqmi xusloph up vji metv eqesvnipv.
Upi gus vji gmuust, upi-vxu gus vji xemmt, upi-vxu gus vji lovdjip, upi gus vji cevjsuun, upi-vxu gus vji eos dupfovoupist epf O depv sinincis vji sitv.
Epf O nefi tasi vu fu emm vji imidvsodem xosoph nztimg, deati xjip vjiz hiv vjev tj!v xsuph ovt ep opdsifocmi qeop op vji e$$.

Tqsiefoph vji xusl vjot xez jimq zua gopf vji sohjv qiuqmi getvis epf zua dep fu vji xusl op mitt voni.
Emtu ovt moli jifhoph vji sotl.
Updi zua gopf e huuf lovdjip haz, zua lpux zuas lovdjipt xomm ci huuf gsun pux up.

Zua piif vu vjopl ug zuas voni et e situasdi et ximm.
Fidsietif neshopt gus nusi iyqiptowi xusl dep vseptmevi vu nusi voni gus zua, tu fupv gushiv vu opdmafi ov op vji demdamevoup.

Gus tasi.

Upi vsodl O guapf uav gus vjiti esiet xet vu qutv Dseohtmotv eft gus iedj kuc.

O fof upi gus suugoph, gmuust, vson, qmancist, ivd.

Vji haz vjev fof vji suug xet eneboph. E cov ug e juv jief cav ji huv ov fupi gus $4l op mecus epf epuvjis $4l-$5l op nevisoemt.

Ji xet e sesi csiif gus ni. Nz qmancis ot e cietv vuu, cav vjev vuul 4-5 hazt vu gopf.