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Hi guys,

My life is heading in a new direction and I feel a bit lost. I will be location independent for the next few years. Not technically by choice, it’s a bit of a complex story.

My passion is Apple products and had the idea of learning iOS development in depth. Another thought I’ve had is learning more traditional web development since there is more choice and more reach and probably more potential for making web apps, freelancing, and career opportunities - but my hearth might not be in it.

Currently in my late 30s and not having a clear picture to move forward. - I have time and funds so it’s no problem learning something in-depth for the next 1-2 years before expecting to see returns of any kind.

I’d love to get a conversation going and bounce some more ideas around. Sorry if this sounds a bit vague :)

Any iOS developers here?
 

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Hey Socrates... I'm more of a Plato guy but let's not split hairs! :)

Happy to chat at any stage. I'm an indie dev trying my hand at various types of apps. Still at a low level but getting better by the month... Feel free to check out my previous posts..... :)

Some intersting info and fast track courses here:
 
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Hi guys,

My life is heading in a new direction and I feel a bit lost. I will be location independent for the next few years. Not technically by choice, it’s a bit of a complex story.

My passion is Apple products and had the idea of learning iOS development in depth. Another thought I’ve had is learning more traditional web development since there is more choice and more reach and probably more potential for making web apps, freelancing, and career opportunities - but my hearth might not be in it.

Currently in my late 30s and not having a clear picture to move forward. - I have time and funds so it’s no problem learning something in-depth for the next 1-2 years before expecting to see returns of any kind.

I’d love to get a conversation going and bounce some more ideas around. Sorry if this sounds a bit vague :)

Any iOS developers here?

The thing I have found on my SaaS journey is its not about the products platform or the code IOS, Android, Web etc... Because you can be on all three at the same time, and hyrbids for native apps via the web are trying to break through as well.

You can waste a lot time debating that... As you learn and grow... preferences will come for coding languages.

If you are looking to code for a career I am not your man, but if you want to disconnect your time from your money...

Then you are going to have to learn how to create value for other people first. It's crazy how many people can code, but ship stuff no one ever uses. If you really want it... figure out the problem first NOT the coding language/ platform.

When it comes to not having clarity... Take a Meyers Briggs test, and then look into your strengths. Listen to Peter Druckers "Managing Oneself."
 
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Hi, I was programming for iOS until a few years ago like a freelance. My advice is don't you close to only one option, if you want to create something for mobile learn what you need for your product and not create a product for your knowledge.

Also, today there are a lot of tools to create apps for most used platform (iOS and Android) like flutter that works very well (like native). And also you can also create website with that language (but I didn't try).

In conclusion, look first what people need and from there start learning what you need.
 

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Hey Socrates... I'm more of a Plato guy but let's not split hairs! :)

Happy to chat at any stage. I'm an indie dev trying my hand at various types of apps. Still at a low level but getting better by the month... Feel free to check out my previous posts..... :)

Some intersting info and fast track courses here:
Hi there,

Thanks for sharing those links. The medium article doesn’t work. The others are interesting.

I’ve gone through your previous posts and was wondering what you’re currently working on?

Cheers
 

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The thing I have found on my SaaS journey is its not about the products platform or the code IOS, Android, Web etc... Because you can be on all three at the same time, and hyrbids for native apps via the web are trying to break through as well.

You can waste a lot time debating that... As you learn and grow... preferences will come for coding languages.

If you are looking to code for a career I am not your man, but if you want to disconnect your time from your money...

Then you are going to have to learn how to create value for other people first. It's crazy how many people can code, but ship stuff no one ever uses. If you really want it... figure out the problem first NOT the coding language/ platform.

When it comes to not having clarity... Take a Meyers Briggs test, and then look into your strengths. Listen to Peter Druckers "Managing Oneself."
Hi Nick,

Thanks for sharing that. I just read the Peter Druckers book you mentioned. It’s a sweet and short book!

For me I love apple products so much that doing ios development seemed like a natural progression. Something I would really love and enjoy.

Building a product that solves a problem and learn what is required at any point in time is the total opposite of course. But then there has to be love in the act of creating something. The entrepreneurial mindset :)

Still on the fence tho :) I did the 9 personalities test. I’m a “Debater”

Cheers
 

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Hi, I was programming for iOS until a few years ago like a freelance. My advice is don't you close to only one option, if you want to create something for mobile learn what you need for your product and not create a product for your knowledge.

Also, today there are a lot of tools to create apps for most used platform (iOS and Android) like flutter that works very well (like native). And also you can also create website with that language (but I didn't try).

In conclusion, look first what people need and from there start learning what you need.
True. I agree!

What are you currently working on?
 

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Hi Nick,

Thanks for sharing that. I just read the Peter Druckers book you mentioned. It’s a sweet and short book!

For me I love apple products so much that doing ios development seemed like a natural progression. Something I would really love and enjoy.

Building a product that solves a problem and learn what is required at any point in time is the total opposite of course. But then there has to be love in the act of creating something. The entrepreneurial mindset :)

Still on the fence tho :) I did the 9 personalities test. I’m a “Debater”

Cheers
Oh a fellow ENTP...

Alright, I can really empathize with you. :) Now I know why you don't have a clear picture...

I went up and down a ton until I found the steady climb... and it was because I was thinking in a year or two not a decade. I didn't pay attention to my weaknesses enough, or focus on my strengths with clarity.

"Most people over estimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do in a decade." Any business I make... I go at with the mindset... How would I make this company last 100 years.

Here are some things that will help you on your journey...

#1. You need a vision to keep you aligned with your purpose... Think of yourself with an identity... everything else you do will stem from this... check out the Robert Dilts model.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSKsGLKM8sc

I have a solid purpose... and I think of myself as a "tech entrepreneur, stoic, and leader of champions"... The leader of champions is important because it gets you investing in your team to make them champions. It's easy to take on everything with our personality as we are very capable... however you need to leverage people with clear roles to hold everyone accountable.

#2. When you start your businesses you will get lost again... but it will be because you are entrepreneurial and will have to play manager and technician role... Remember there are three roles in business... technician, manager, and entrepreneur. I always get lost when I try to be a technician for too long...(E-Myth revisted is a good reference for this)

The best thing I ever did was partner with an ESTJ to help me manage so I could put all the pieces together... putting together some capital for a technician would make your life better too. Then you can be creative with prototyping/workflows.

#3. Listen to some stoic philosophy... by the name I can see you are already on that track... :)

#4 Make yourself accountable to others... Don't let them try and micro manage you, because that's not us... but have a weekly accountability meeting to stay on track with your team or someone who sees your vision. It becomes internal motivation on those days you want to procrastinate.

Good Luck Socrates!

Good job taking action on the other stuff - "If you do not want to obey others, you must learn to obey yourself!" - Nietzsche
 
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Oh a fellow ENTP...

Alright, I can really empathize with you. :) Now I know why you don't have a clear picture...

I went up and down a ton until I found the steady climb... and it was because I was thinking in a year or two not a decade. I didn't pay attention to my weaknesses enough, or focus on my strengths with clarity.

"Most people over estimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do in a decade." Any business I make... I go at with the mindset... How would I make this company last 100 years.

Here are some things that will help you on your journey...

#1. You need a vision to keep you aligned with your purpose... Think of yourself with an identity... everything else you do will stem from this... check out the Robert Dilts model.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSKsGLKM8sc

I have a solid purpose... and I think of myself as a "tech entrepreneur, stoic, and leader of champions"... The leader of champions is important because it gets you investing in your team to make them champions. It's easy to take on everything with our personality as we are very capable... however you need to leverage people with clear roles to hold everyone accountable.

#2. When you start your businesses you will get lost again... but it will be because you are entrepreneurial and will have to play manager and technician role... Remember there are three roles in business... technician, manager, and entrepreneur. I always get lost when I try to be a technician for too long...(E-Myth revisted is a good reference for this)

The best thing I ever did was partner with an ESTJ to help me manage so I could put all the pieces together... putting together some capital for a technician would make your life better too. Then you can be creative with prototyping/workflows.

#3. Listen to some stoic philosophy... by the name I can see you are already on that track... :)

#4 Make yourself accountable to others... Don't let them try and micro manage you, because that's not us... but have a weekly accountability meeting to stay on track with your team or someone who sees your vision. It becomes internal motivation on those days you want to procrastinate.

Good Luck Socrates!

Good job taking action on the other stuff - "If you do not want to obey others, you must learn to obey yourself!" - Nietzsche
Nick,

This is really interesting. The video you shared from Jospeh Rodrigues. I actually have been following him and done all his course. I really like his material.

Thinking for the next few years instead of the next few decades really rings a bell lol. Thanks man, I needed to hear that.

Thanks for the write up. I’ll go over it again tomorrow and let it sink in.

Thanks for being awesome :)
 

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SEO, that is something that I have been doing before. Also, I am learning and working in a project with machine learning.
Sounds very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
 

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I'm not an iOS dev, but I am learning web development and I would agree with what most people here said. You don't need to learn to code if your main goal is entrepreneurship. But it can be useful if you want to get
into a SaaS/App business.

Biggest pro's I see are that it gives you a stable source of income if you need it and you won't need to dish out as much money on developers to build out your ventures.

I'd say though that finding a problem that you can solve & solving it will really be what makes the difference, learning to code will just be your tools to create that solution.
 

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