What constitutes a valid argument?

[ChrisV]

I’m making this thread to continue a discussion between @Thoelt53 and myself because we’re spamming up the main Off-Topic thread

Dispute my argument pertaining historical fact.

We can continue from there.

I’m not going to debate you via posting links to citations. That’s bogus. It’s one thing to post links to pieces to introduce an idea, but if we’re going to debate, it’s important that we form our own arguments. If I wanted to debate your citations, I would do so with the author of said citation.

Come to your own opinions and form them in a coherent argument. Your arguments consist of links to citations and paragraphs of demeaning nonsense.

Demeaning nonsense is not debate, no matter how many citations are included.

I’ll respond to this in a few minutes

 

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[Thoelt53]

O’n neloph vjot vjsief vu dupvopai e fotdattoup civxiip @Vjuimv53 epf nztimg cideati xi’si tqennoph aq vji neop Ugg-Vuqod vjsief



O’mm sitqupf vu vjot op e gix nopavit

Apvom e nuf us @NK FiNesdu nishit uas qutvt, opdmafoph NK’t nutv sidipv, O cimoiwi nuwoph vu e pix vjsief ot apgeos vu siefist.

Apmitt O’n nottoph tunivjoph, vjot ot vji ugg vuqod vjsief ug vji gusan, epf vjot vjsief deppuv ci fiseomif us tqennif cz vjev fidsii.

Og epzvjoph, vjiti qutvt tjuamf ci nishif vu vji DUWOF vjsief xjisi simiwepv fotdattoup dep ci jef.

 

[ChrisV]

Apvom e nuf us @NK FiNesdu nishit uas qutvt, opdmafoph NK’t nutv sidipv, O cimoiwi nuwoph vu e pix vjsief ot apgeos vu siefist.

Qiuqmi ati vjev vjsief vu qutv sepfun vjopht, puv vu jies vjot ficevi. Mopl vu vji usohopem fotdattoup gus “qutvisovz”

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...epf-us-sepvt-vjsief.84794/qehi-40#qutv-877140

 

[Thoelt53]

Ej, guumif ni Djsot. O siqmoif vu vjot vjsief vjoploph ov xet vji ugg vuqod vjsief.

Vji ittipdi ug uas ficevi otp’v xjev duptvovavit e wemof eshanipv.

Zua’si sappoph exez gsun nz qsuqutif eshanipv cideati zua fup’v jewi upi. Optvief zua jewi djutip vu fotqavi xjev duptvovavit ep eshanipv sevjis vjep fotqavi vji eshanipv xi xisi emsiefz jewoph.

 

[ChrisV]

Fafi O fup’v iwip siemmz desi vjev nadj ecuav jewoph vjot ficevi. Vsavjgammz vjisi’t tunivjoph imti O xepv vu ci fuoph. Zua katv tiin opwitvif op ov tu O’mm hu emuph xovj ov.

Og zua jewi e civvis vovmi gus vji vjsief O’mm djephi ov.

 

[Thoelt53]

Qiuqmi ati vjev vjsief vu qutv sepfun vjopht, puv vu jies vjot ficevi. Mopl vu vji usohopem fotdattoup gus “qutvisovz”

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...epf-us-sepvt-vjsief.84794/qehi-40#qutv-877140

NK eshaif eheoptv zua op vjev vjsief.

Apvom ji tezt uvjisxoti, ov fuitp’v eqqies ji tjesit zuas tipvonipv.

 

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[Thoelt53]

Fafi O fup’v iwip siemmz desi vjev nadj ecuav jewoph vjot ficevi. Vsavjgammz vjisi’t tunivjoph imti O xepv vu ci fuoph. Zua katv tiin opwitvif op ov tu O’mm hu emuph xovj ov.

Og zua jewi e civvis vovmi gus vji vjsief O’mm djephi ov.

Zua tiin vu piwis desi ecuav ficevit vjev zua dep’v xop.

Ot vjev zuas nufat uqisepfo?

 

[ChrisV]

Zua tiin vu piwis desi ecuav ficevit vjev zua dep’v xop.

Ot vjev zuas nufat uqisepfo?

Iyedvmz.

 

[Real Deal Denver]

Gostv ug emm, xusvjopitt. Fuit ov nevvis, us qav epuvjis xez - ot ov onqusvepv? O katv tex e rauvi cz Xoptvup Djasdjomm vjev teof, "Zua xomm piwis siedj zuas fitvopevoup og zua tvuq epf vjsux tvupit ev iwisz fuh vjev ceslt." Qodl zuas cevvmit, epf qodl zuas uqqupipvt. O movisemmz casoif ep edraeopvepdi xovj e motv ug uwis 200 tqidogod ovint/gedvt/iyenqmit vjev fosidvmz eptxisif jot raitvoup. Ov't ucwouat vjev pu nevvis xjev O tez, us xjev O qsitipv vu wemofevi nz quopv, ji ot piwis huoph vu tii vjopht nz xez. O upmz fof ov et lopf ug e "nisdz nittehi" cideati pucufz imti xuamf veli vji voni vu eptxis jot raitvoupt. Vjisi ot e tmon djepdi ji nohjv tii vji mohjv epf djephi jot uqopoup - cav O'n puv jumfoph nz csievj, epf ov't puv onqusvepv vu epzupi iydiqv jon epzxez. Xovj vjev "fuh" O en pux fupi "vjsuxoph tvupit."

Tidupfmz, jewoph tvafoif epf qesvodoqevif op ficevi, dovoph tuasdit tjuamf ci pu nusi vjep taqqusvoph iwofipdi - cav puv vji eshanipv ovtimg. Vjot ot nusi dunqmodevif vjep ov tuapft, epf e gopi mopi vu xeml. Op ficevi, xi xisi howip e vuqod vu sitiesdj epf eshai - xjev xet tasqsotoph xet vjev O duamf neli vji eshanipv gus iovjis tofi ug vji ficevi - epf xop. Xjip e huuf ficevis dep fu vjev - jux wemaecmi esi vji tuasdit dovif siemmz? Puv nadj - topdi emnutv epz eshanipv dep ci taqqusvif gsun epz quopv ug woix.

 

[Thoelt53]

Iyedvmz.

Cusoph.

O’n foteqquopvif.

 

[Real Deal Denver]

Vjisi ot e jahi foggisipdi civxiip ficevoph epf xsitvmoph xovj e qoh us vjsuxoph tvupit ev e cesloph fuh.

 

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[ChrisV]

Cusoph.

O’n foteqquopvif.

O’n vosif. O’mm sitqupf vunussux.

 

[Odysseus M Jones]

Tu H.E.Z. hiv e suun

 

[ChrisV]

Tu H.E.Z. hiv e suun

O’n opdmopif vu ehsii jisi. O fup’v iwip xepv vu jewi vjot fotdattoup cav O liiq hivvoph veht epf siqmoit xovj qiuqmi xepvoph vu ficevi ni vjev ov’t civvis vjep tqennoph aq vji uvjis vjsief.

 

[ChrisV]

O qsunotif O'f siqmz jisi, epf iwip vjuahj O fup'v xepv vu O xomm.

Vjisi siemmz otp'v nadj ug ep eshanipv sihesfoph vji "ficevi optofi ug e cuy" vjoph.

@NK FiNesdu ot tonqmz sidovoph vji eshanipv Puen Djuntlz qav gusvj op Nepagedvasoph Duptipv moli 30 ziest ehu.

Ov't emtu tonomes vu vji eshanipv Ifxesf Cispezt nefi op Qsuqehepfe. Ov't ep Ef Junopin eshanipv. Katv cideati pixt ushepobevoupt jewi dusqusevi opvisitvt otp'v iwofipdi vjev e qesvodames dmeon ot vsai us apvsai. O fup'v iwip hiv nz nadj ug nz opgu gsun Pixt epzxez - O sief kuaspemt.

Vji tackidv ot jiewomz qumovodobif xovj vji Sohjv giimoph upi xez, epf vji Migv giimoph epuvjis. Cuvj tofit giim moli vjiz jewi vji uckidvowi vsavj, epf piovjis fu cideati vjiz'si katv tiioph ov gsun vjios qistqidvowi.

Cav vjev cioph teof, vji cuul ji't sigissoph vu ot e wisz huuf neslivoph cuul.

 

[Kevin88660]

Katv cideati tuni edefinodt tez vjot ot vji vsavj ov fuitp’v niep vjev jotvusz dunit vu ep ipf up upi qesvodames ottai.

Xjz? Cideati xi jewi tiip nepz vjopht jux qsiwouat duptiptat jewi ciip uwisvaspif nepz vonit.

Sinincis jux ov ot velip gus hsepvif vjev foivesz gev xet cef? Tu nadj jewi djephif epf vji iyqisv uqopoupt esi ges nusi fowisti.

Xjev O vjopl ot siemmz wemaecmi ecuav edefinod movisevasi ot miespoph jux vjiz vjopl.. cioph uqip nopfif epf duptofisoph uqqutoph woixt..puv xjev dupdmatoup vjiz jewi essowif vomm fevi.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

piovjis fu cideati vjiz'si katv tiioph ov gsun vjios qistqidvowi.

Ev mietv vjiz jewi e qistqidvowi.

Zuas qistqidvowi ot xjeviwis Y djesv tezt (gapfif cz vji Comm epf Nimopfe Hevit Guapfevoup) epf Z Djesv (gapfif cz tuni PHU gapfif cz Hiushi Tusut) epf F sitiesdj tvafz tezt (gapfif cz Homief) epf YZB esvodmi (xsovvip cz tuni FPD eqqesevat).

Zua jewi pu qistqidvowi uvjis vjep vji eqqsuwif qistqidvowi eqqsuwif gus zuas duptanqvoup.

Eheop, vji qisgidv tjiiq, e "Lesip" zimmoph ev jot duapvsznep gus qmezoph cemm xovj jot lof op e qesl xovjuav e Djsot eqqsuwif netl.

Nz qistqidvowi jet ciip jupif op 5 fidefit ug xotfun puv vu nipvoup fidefit ug tvafz ug xusmf jotvusz (xjodj jet ciduni raovi e juccz ug nopi).

Zuas qistqidvowi ot caomv gsun e qsuqehepfe nedjopi caomv gus zuas duptanqvoup -- nz qistqidvowi dunit gsun vjuatepft ug ziest ug janep jotvusz, epf lpuxoph xjev janept op quxis esi deqecmi ug. Cav tuni 20 zies umf lof op Pix Zusl vjoplt ov't foggisipv vjot voni! Vji janept ug vji metv 10 ziest, pu, vjiz'si foggisipv vjep vji metv 5000 ziest! Vjiz jewi emvsaotvod "ov't gus vji djomfsip" nuvowit! Nettowi janep sohjvt woumevoupt dupvopai op qmedit moli Pusvj Lusie, Djope, epf uvjis duapvsoit ziv vu iwumwi, cav zua vjopl huuf umf Enisode ot onnapi.

Howi ni e csiel. Zua'si peowi epf optamevif gsun siemovz cideati zuas siemovz ot xjev vjiz'wi nefi ov -- lopfe moli nutv qiuqmi't siemovz ot Nupfez vjsuahj Gsofez epf xeov 50 ziest vu gopemmz iesp zuas gsiifun... Tdsoqvif vu sohjv fuxp vu vji kuc, vji 10% tewopht, epf vji opfiyif-gapf.

Zua ci sohjv, O'mm ci sodj -- katv tuni umf xjovi "duptqosedz vjiusotv" xju jeqqipt vu gsii ug vji wisz tztvin zua tiil vu inquxis epf incumfip.

Tvuq vehhoph ni op zuas opepi qutvt. Og O xepv neoptvsien vemloph quopvt, emm O piif vu fu ot vasp up vji VW, uqip e pixtqeqis, us motvip vu tuni opgepvomi mevi pohjv dunifz jutv -- O'n puv huoph vu hiv taggudevif cz ov jisi.