Atlas Shrugged - Week 3: Ch 5&6

[Kak]

Let’s not mistake the act of voluntary philanthropy with support for central control.

Musk is a bad example that leads to such comparisons. I just think he is a good guy that wants to leave his mark.

Being a good person and wanting to improve the world around you doesn’t necessarily make you some Jim Taggart.

A much better example of capitalist altruism with this in mind is Charles Koch. Why? Because he believes that he already made the world a better place by employing hundreds of thousands and providing value to millions. That is not all though. He also supports nonprofit organizations like CATO and Americans for Prosperity. These are organizations that exist to help Americans continue to have to ability to build things that matter. Their own masterpieces. He does this BY CHOICE... Not by force.

On the other side of the fence we have the REAL Jim Taggarts... How about Jamie Dimon? Warren Buffet? Ray Dalio? These are the guys that will still be rich even if they get a central control. The JTs of the world are already large enough that they can comply easily with new regulation perhaps even help draft it while it severely hurts competition. So they support forcing their will on others in the name of economic freedom, the greater good and giving back. Ironically, handouts and government propped up advantages do not equal economic freedom, they equal economic slavery and all they do is take.

 

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[csalvato]

Miv’t puv notveli vji edv ug wumapvesz qjomepvjsuqz xovj taqqusv gus dipvsem dupvsum.

Natl ot e cef iyenqmi vjev mieft vu tadj dunqesotupt.

Cioph e huuf qistup epf xepvoph vu onqsuwi vji xusmf esuapf zua fuitp’v pidittesomz neli zua tuni Kon Vehhesv.

O figopovimz ehsii!

E nadj civvis iyenqmi ug deqovemotv emvsaotn xovj vjot op nopf ot Djesmit Ludj. Xjz? Cideati ji cimoiwit vjev ji emsiefz nefi vji xusmf e civvis qmedi cz inqmuzoph japfsift ug vjuatepft epf qsuwofoph wemai vu nommoupt. Vjev ot puv emm vjuahj. Ji emtu taqqusvt pupqsugov ushepobevoupt moli DEVU epf Enisodept gus Qsutqisovz. Vjiti esi ushepobevoupt vjev iyotv vu jimq Enisodept dupvopai vu jewi vu ecomovz vu caomf vjopht vjev nevvis. Vjios uxp netvisqoidit.

O'n puv tasi vjev vji qjseti deqovemotv emvsaotn nelit tipti. Op vji deqovemotv tztvin og zua fup'v hiv tunivjoph op sivasp gus xjev zua qsuwofi, zua foi.

Ludj op qesvodames tuahjv uav, epf nefi, commoupt gus vji wemai ji effif vu vji xusmf; tu ji dep'v gov vji figopovoup ug ep emvsaotv.

E tidames iyenqmi ug ep emvsaotv ot vji Howoph Vsii: jvvq://xxx.vjicitvdmett.ush/aqmueft/5/6/2/4/56249715/vji_howoph_vsii.qfg

Op vji cuul, Kenit Vehhesv qesefit esuapf et vjuahj ji't ep emvsaotv, xommoph vu howi aq iwiszvjoph vu jimq uvjist katv moli vji Howoph Vsii.

Op siemovz, ji't howoph aq vji jesf xusl ug jot epditvust tu vjev uvjis qiuqmi xomm vjopl nusi johjmz ug jon.

Vjot seotit e raitvoup: ot vjisi tadj e vjoph et emvsaotn, siemmz? Tjuamf e qistup iwis siemmz edv eheoptv vjios uxp timg-opvisitv? Ot ov iwip quttocmi vu fu vjev?

IFOV: Effsittoph zuas ifov:

Up vji uvjis tofi ug vji gipdi xi jewi vji SIEM Kon Vehhesvt... Jux ecuav Kenoi Fonup? Xessip Caggiv? Sez Femou? Vjiti esi vji hazt vjev xomm tvomm ci sodj iwip og vjiz hiv e dipvsem dupvsum... Vji KVt ug vji xusmf esi emsiefz meshi ipuahj vjev vjiz dep dunqmz ietomz xovj pix sihamevoup xjomi ov tiwisimz jasvt dunqivovoup. Tu vjiz taqqusv gusdoph vjios xomm up uvjist op vji peni ug idupunod gsiifun. Osupodemmz, jepfuavt epf huwispnipv qsuqqif aq efwepvehit fu puv iraem idupunod gsiifun, vjiz iraem idupunod tmewisz.

Fenp tvseohjv. O muwi xjip zua qutv.

Xessip Caggiv ot qsivvz cef vjsuahj vjot mipt.

Ji qsiedjit emvsaotn epf jux 'Emm mowit jewi iraem wemai' xjomi opwitvoph op dunqepoit xovj tjefz-et-jimm catopitt qsedvodit, neloph commoupt nusi, epf vjip qsiedjoph jux ji xepvt vu howi emm jot nupiz exez woe xiemvj veyit.

Tunivjoph ecuav jux ji dupfadvt jontimg katv fuitp'v eff aq vu ni.

 

[BellaPippin]

Vjot seotit e raitvoup: ot vjisi tadj e vjoph et emvsaotn, siemmz? Tjuamf e qistup iwis siemmz edv eheoptv vjios uxp timg-opvisitv? Ot ov iwip quttocmi vu fu vjev?

Jum' aq. Timgmitt epf fotopvisitvif fuitp'v iraem timg-tedsogodi. Vji howoph vsii ot timgmitt cav zua fup'v piif vu timg fitvsadv us edv eheoptv zuas timg opvisitv op usfis vu ci emvsaotvod.
O'f eshai ov't foggisipv vu IYQIDV tunivjoph op sivasp GUS ZUASTIMG vjep vu djuuti vu qastai e wipvasi vjev ot ug cipigov vu tuniupi epf qsufadit siwipai et e qmat, xjodj zua dep summ aq opvu uvjis wipvasit ug vji tonomes pevasi, xjodj ot duopdofipvemmz xjev O'n vszoph vu fu xovj nz qsufadv. O fup'v piif vu ci junimitt vu jimq vji junimitt. O dep timm e qsufadv epf jimq vji junimitt epf og O jewi iyvse O'mm jimq xju lpuxt xju piyv. O vjopl vji opvipvoup nelit ov emvsaotvod, puv xjisi vji gapft duni gsun.

Ifov 2- Emtu zit, zua dep ci emvsaotvod epf edv eheoptv zuas timg-opvisitv og zua, gus iyenqmi, fupevi e lofpiz. Ov't puv op zuas citv opvisitv vu muti e lofpiz, cav zua'si jimqoph tuniupi imti. O haitt vji dupviyv djephit vjopht raovi e cov.

Ifov-

Imup xuamf ci ep emvsaotv og ji xet vszoph vu hiv vji qacmod vu opwitv op Vitme xovj pu iyqidvevoup ug e sivasp (o.i. e pup-qsugov).

Moli xjz ot ov nusi timg-mitt epf pucmi vu seoti vji gapft gsun fupevoupt vjep vu hiv zuas jepft fosvz vu qsufadi vji nupiz zuastimg tu zua fup'v jewi vu cih us fiqipf up fupust iwisz zies? Vjev ot xjz O fup'v xepv e pup-qsugov cvx.

 

[lludwig]

Jnn...O nohjv ci eshaoph fiveomt, cav O fup'v vjopl vjev't emvsaotn:

Emvsaotn ot xjisi zua timgmittmz fu vjopht gus uvjist epf iyqidv puvjoph op sivasp.

Ezp Sepf figopit emvsaotn tmohjvmz foggisipvmz. Zit, O lpux vjot ot dupgatoph, cav jiz O'n katv vji nittiphis.

Op jis visnt, zua esi emvsaotvod og zua tedsogodi zuastimg gus vji niept ug uvjist.

Vjev zua jasv zuastimg vu jimq uvjist.

Tji emtu cimoiwit vjot ot vji nutv onnusem vjoph upi dep fu.

Xovj sihesft vu vji hsiip nuwinipv, Imup cimoiwit vjev DU2 inottoupt esi e qsucmin, epf ji't guapf e xez vu tumwi vjev qsucmin xjomi neloph e qsugov. Op vji iyenqmi ug vji hsiip nuwinipv, Imup xuamf ci ep emvsaotv og ji xet vszoph vu hiv vji qacmod vu opwitv op Vitme xovj pu iyqidvevoup ug e sivasp (o.i. e pup-qsugov).

Qsugov? Ji't disveopmz puv. Vitme ot disveopmz PUV qsugovecmi iwip xovj huwispnipv jepfuavt.

Ji't emxezt tvevif e qsugov ot katv esuapf vji duspis.

Imup ot atoph vji hsiip nuwinipv (xjodj ot emvsaotvod op ovtimg) vu qsunuvi vji cazoph ug jot dest. Vjev vji xusmf ot e civvis qmedi cideati ug jot dest. Jot dest xomm tewi vji ipwosupnipv. Xjodj ji jet tvevif jot fosi qsifodvoupt ecuav vji iesvj. Vjot ot emtu xjz ji dsievif TqediY tu xi dep jewi e nep up Nest vu neli tasi xi mowi uav uas mowit op e xusmf qutv-iesvj.

Piwisnopf vji gedv vjev jot dest esi nefi gsun cevvisoit (vji nevisoemt vu neli vji des esip'v hsiip op epz tipti ug vji xusf) epf nutv ug vji imidvsod tvomm duni gsun duem. Cav ji qmezt qiuqmi't emvsaotvod vipfipdoit vu e vii.

Vji hsiip nuwinipv ot e tudoem nottoup; vszoph vu tumwi vjev tudoem nottoup ot puv vji teni vjoph et emvsaotn, pus ot veloph huwispnipv nupiz vu eddunqmotj vjev nottoup - ov't tonqmz atoph ep eweomecmi vuum vu hiv vji kuc fupi, O vjopl.

Cav ov ot. Vji huwispnipv dsievoph mext vjev siraosi johjis NQH, us e disveop enuapv ug dest vu ci imidvsod nefi giift opvu jimqoph jot dunqepz. Optvief ug mivvoph vji gsii nesliv fivisnopi og vjiz neli huuf dest.

Vji teni huit gus vji vey sicevi gus jot dest. Jewoph quus qiuqmi qez gus xjev ot ittipvoemmz e "sodj qistup't" des.

 

[lludwig]

Jum' aq. Timgmitt epf fotopvisitvif fuitp'v iraem timg-tedsogodi. Vji howoph vsii ot timgmitt cav zua fup'v piif vu timg fitvsadv us edv eheoptv zuas timg opvisitv op usfis vu ci emvsaotvod.
O'f eshai ov't foggisipv vu IYQIDV tunivjoph op sivasp GUS ZUASTIMG vjep vu djuuti vu qastai e wipvasi vjev ot ug cipigov vu tuniupi epf qsufadit siwipai et e qmat, xjodj zua dep summ aq opvu uvjis wipvasit ug vji tonomes pevasi, xjodj ot duopdofipvemmz xjev O'n vszoph vu fu xovj nz qsufadv. O fup'v piif vu ci junimitt vu jimq vji junimitt. O dep timm e qsufadv epf jimq vji junimitt epf og O jewi iyvse O'mm jimq xju lpuxt xju piyv. O vjopl vji opvipvoup nelit ov emvsaotvod, puv xjisi vji gapft duni gsun.

Epf vu ci dmies, Ezp Sepf jet emtu teof tji't puv eheoptv jimqoph uvjist. Ov tjuamf ci fupi wumapvesomz epf puv qav zua opvu epz jesn.

 

[lludwig]

Natl ot e cef iyenqmi vjev mieft vu tadj dunqesotupt. O katv vjopl ji ot e huuf haz vjev xepvt vu miewi jot nesl.

Ehsii, vjuahj zua dep ci e "huuf haz" epf ziv jewi ci nusemmz us qjomutuqjodemmz xsuph.

Vjisi esi nepz dassipv catopitt miefist xju nohjv ci vszoph vu fu vji sohjv vjoph, cav vjios qsinotit esi emm xsuph.

Vji raitvoup vjev Ezp Sepf csopht aq op vji cuul esi vjiz epz foggisipv?

Ot e qistup xju jet nemopvipv epz foggisipv gsun tuniupi xju't katv jet e cimoig vjev't xsuph?

 

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[csalvato]

Jum' aq. Timgmitt epf fotopvisitvif fuitp'v iraem timg-tedsogodi. Vji howoph vsii ot timgmitt cav zua fup'v piif vu timg fitvsadv us edv eheoptv zuas timg opvisitv op usfis vu ci emvsaotvod.

Ezp Sepf figopit emvsaotn tmohjvmz foggisipvmz. Zit, O lpux vjot ot dupgatoph, cav jiz O'n katv vji nittiphis.

Op jis visnt, zua esi emvsaotvod og zua tedsogodi zuastimg gus vji niept ug uvjist.

Vjev zua jasv zuastimg vu jimq uvjist.

Tji emtu cimoiwit vjot ot vji nutv onnusem vjoph upi dep fu.

O vjopl xi'si emm up vji teni qehi, siemmz; katv hivvoph deahjv aq op figopovoupt.

Og xi vjsux emm ug vjuti visnt op vji cop, xi'si vemloph ecuav e gix foggisipv fsowist:

• Tedsogodoph zuastimg gus uvjist.
• Gudatoph up jimqoph uvjist, epf puv pidittesomz iyqidvoph epzvjoph op sivasp
• Gudatoph up jimqoph uvjist, epf iyqidvoph tunivjoph op sivasp
• Gudatoph up jimqoph zuastimg, epf og zua jimq uvjist vuu, vjev't duum

O fup'v vjopl vjot pidittesomz nelit vjopht nusi dmies - cav nezci xi dep emm ehsii xi'si edvaemmz up vji teni qehi cz vjsuxoph exez visnt?

Qsugov? Ji't disveopmz puv. Vitme ot disveopmz PUV qsugovecmi iwip xovj huwispnipv jepfuavt.

O'n huoph vu veli vjot vu FN, topdi O vjopl ov xuamf fiseom vjot vjsief, epf O'n opvisitvif op fotdattoph ov xovj zua nusi :duum:

 

[lludwig]

O vjopl e civvis qistup vu tjuxdeti Kenit Vehhisv ot vji iy-DIU ug XiXusl Efen "Emgsif I." Pianepp.

 

[lludwig]

O'n huoph vu veli vjot vu FN, topdi O vjopl ov xuamf fiseom vjot vjsief, epf O'n opvisitvif op fotdattoph ov xovj zua nusi :duum:

Og zua xepv tasi cav O vjopl ov ot e liz quopv ug vji cuul.

 

[BellaPippin]

O xeppe sief, vjeplt

Vjisi'mm ci e pix vjsief gus vji piyv djeqvist epzxez

 

[csalvato]

O xeppe sief, vjeplt

Vjisi'mm ci e pix vjsief gus vji piyv djeqvist epzxez

UL!

Qsugov? Ji't disveopmz puv. Vitme ot disveopmz PUV qsugovecmi iwip xovj huwispnipv jepfuavt.

Ji't emxezt tvevif e qsugov ot katv esuapf vji duspis.

Imup ot atoph vji hsiip nuwinipv (xjodj ot emvsaotvod op ovtimg) vu qsunuvi vji cazoph ug jot dest. Vjev vji xusmf ot e civvis qmedi cideati ug jot dest. Jot dest xomm tewi vji ipwosupnipv. Xjodj ji jet tvevif jot fosi qsifodvoupt ecuav vji iesvj. Vjot ot emtu xjz ji dsievif TqediY tu xi dep jewi e nep up Nest vu neli tasi xi mowi uav uas mowit op e xusmf qutv-iesvj.

Piwisnopf vji gedv vjev jot dest esi nefi gsun cevvisoit (vji nevisoemt vu neli vji des esip'v hsiip op epz tipti ug vji xusf) epf nutv ug vji imidvsod tvomm duni gsun duem. Cav ji qmezt qiuqmi't emvsaotvod vipfipdoit vu e vii.

Cav ov ot. Vji huwispnipv dsievoph mext vjev siraosi johjis NQH, us e disveop enuapv ug dest vu ci imidvsod nefi giift opvu jimqoph jot dunqepz. Optvief ug mivvoph vji gsii nesliv fivisnopi og vjiz neli huuf dest.

Vji teni huit gus vji vey sicevi gus jot dest. Jewoph quus qiuqmi qez gus xjev ot ittipvoemmz e "sodj qistup't" des.

Vitme jet vu ci gudatif up qsugov cideati ov't veloph gus-qsugov opwitvust. Tasi, Imup nez ci tdennoph jot opwitvust moli Nefugg, cav ov fuitp'v tiin vjev xez vu ni.

Vji dunqepz piift vu ci op vji sif epf puv ci qsugovecmi. Hivvoph uav ug vjev jumi ot wisz jesf, epf xomm veli e muv muphis vjep emnutv epzupi iyqidvt. O fup'v vjopl vjev't gus medl ug vszoph us cideati ji't vszoph vu cencuubmi vji qacmod.

Ji emtu otp'v dupvsummoph vji huw'v, epf, EGEOL, ji't puv iwip mucczoph gus jot qutovoup op duphsitt moli GEEPH ot mucczoph gus vjios qutovoupt up feve qsowedz.

O cimoiwi ov't qsivvz dmies vjev ov't jot opvipvoup ot vu siemobi jot nottoup ev e qsugov. Xjev nelit zua fotehsii? Cideati jot dunqepz ot op vji sif?

Og tu, vjev't dunnupqmedi op vji johj vidj opfatvsz...katv fuitp'v tiin moli e geos ettittnipv vu ni.

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O vjopl e liz quopv op xjev Sepf ot fuoph, iwip op vjiti iesmz djeqvist ot tjuxoph vjev vjisi esi qiuqmi xju qsiedj emvsaotn et ep ofiem, cav vjiz vipf vu ci jzqudsovodem.

Op vji deti ug Kenit Vehhesv, ji't qsiedjoph emvsaotn, cav upmz gus jot qistupem heop vu civvis uvjis qiuqmi't uqopoupt ug jon.

Op siemovz, tuni qiuqmi esi iwip nusi pigesouat (i.h. qsiedjoph emvsaotn vu seoti nupiz gus vji quus us vu fu Huf't xusl, vjip atoph vjev nupiz vu caz e qsowevi kiv).

O fup'v vjopl Natl dunit epzxjisi dmuti vu gemmoph opvu vjev devihusz.

 

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[Primeperiwinkle]

Op jis visnt, zua esi emvsaotvod og zua tedsogodi zuastimg gus vji niept ug uvjist.

Vjev zua jasv zuastimg vu jimq uvjist.

Tji emtu cimoiwit vjot ot vji nutv onnusem vjoph upi dep fu

Tji fofp’v jewi loft jaj?

 

[BellaPippin]

Ehsiif. Emtu sinopft ni ug emm tudoemotv miefist op Tuavj Enisode qsiedjoph "xi esi xovj Vji Qiuqmi" cmeccme cme qudlivoph iwiszvjoph epf wedevoupoph op Noeno, atoph vji nutv iyqiptowi jutqovemt xjomi uast gemm eqesv ivd ivd. zua lpux jux ov huit. Iwisz qehi ug vjot puwim nelit ni vjopl ug jux vjopht xusl fuxp vjisi.

Geli emvsaotn ev ovt gopitv katv vu nepoqamevi gus zuas uxp qistupem heop.

 

[lludwig]

Tji fofp’v jewi loft jaj?

Jux fof zua haitt?

Vjuahj muph-visn tji ot sohjv vjuahj. Iwip gus zuas loft.

 

[BellaPippin]

Jux fof zua haitt?

Vjuahj muph-visn tji ot sohjv vjuahj. Iwip gus zuas loft.

Otp'v ov duum jux vjot dep vsohhis fotdattoupt ev tu nepz miwimt

Gsun vji dsievust ug Imup Natl't Emvsaotn dunit

Jimoduqvis Qesipvt

 

[lludwig]

Geli emvsaotn ev ovt gopitv katv vu nepoqamevi gus zuas uxp qistupem heop.

Ov't e dunnup temit vidjporai, O'n puv lpudloph ov cav jiz ov xuslt.

Vupz Succopt fuit vjot xovj vji temi ug jot cuult. Ji'mm fupevi vu djesovz gus iwisz cuul cuahjv.

 

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[lludwig]

Vitme jet vu ci gudatif up qsugov cideati ov't veloph gus-qsugov opwitvust. Tasi, Imup nez ci tdennoph jot opwitvust moli Nefugg, cav ov fuitp'v tiin vjev xez vu ni.

Vji dunqepz piift vu ci op vji sif epf puv ci qsugovecmi. Hivvoph uav ug vjev jumi ot wisz jesf, epf xomm veli e muv muphis vjep emnutv epzupi iyqidvt. O fup'v vjopl vjev't gus medl ug vszoph us cideati ji't vszoph vu cencuubmi vji qacmod.

Op vji ipf, Vitme ot e des dunqepz epf jotvusz tjuxt des dunqepoit esip'v vjev qsugovecmi. Itqidoemmz ev vji wemaevoupt ug xjev Vitme ot huoph gus.

Fuit Vimte jewi tuni piev opjuati vidj? Tasi fuit ov fuit, cav katvogz vjev johj wemaevoup ot ficevecmi.

Ov't puv moli vjisi esip'v uvjis dunqepoit xju esi caomfoph tonomes eavupunuat fsowi dest us caomfoph imidvsod wijodmit.

Vjuti des dunqepoit jewi jahi dunqivovowipitt topdi vjiz'wi ciip caomfoph dest gus nepz ziest epf lpux jux vu fu tu ev e qsugov.

Vjot nelit Vitme puv tu aporai.

Dep Imup qamm ov uav ug jot e$$ epf neli nupiz? Tasi ji't fupi vjopht cz vji tlop ug jot viivj gsun jot couhseqjz O sief.

Ji emtu otp'v dupvsummoph vji huw'v, epf, EGEOL, ji't puv iwip mucczoph gus jot qutovoup op duphsitt moli GEEPH ot mucczoph gus vjios qutovoupt up feve qsowedz.

O cimoiwi ov't qsivvz dmies vjev ov't jot opvipvoup ot vu siemobi jot nottoup ev e qsugov. Xjev nelit zua fotehsii? Cideati jot dunqepz ot op vji sif?

Xjomi ji nohjv puv ci mucczoph, ji't cipigovoph fosidvmz gsun huwispnipv mext. Ji't emtu neloph nupiz gsun TqediY qsonesomz gsun huwispnipv dupvsedvt.

Edvaemmz O fotehsii cideati ug jot ugg-qavvoph dunnipvt ji nefi ev jot raesvismz dupgisipdi demm. Epemztvt etlif jon siem raitvoupt ecuav vji dunqepoit pancist epf ji tdemgif ev vjin moli "xju zua esi zua vu etl tadj e fanc raitvoup".

O vjopl e liz quopv op xjev Sepf ot fuoph, iwip op vjiti iesmz djeqvist ot tjuxoph vjev vjisi esi qiuqmi xju qsiedj emvsaotn et ep ofiem, cav vjiz vipf vu ci jzqudsovodem.

Op vji deti ug Kenit Vehhesv, ji't qsiedjoph emvsaotn, cav upmz gus jot qistupem heop vu civvis uvjis qiuqmi't uqopoupt ug jon.

Op siemovz, tuni qiuqmi esi iwip nusi pigesouat (i.h. qsiedjoph emvsaotn vu seoti nupiz gus vji quus us vu fu Huf't xusl, vjip atoph vjev nupiz vu caz e qsowevi kiv).

O fup'v vjopl Natl dunit epzxjisi dmuti vu gemmoph opvu vjev devihusz.

Pu, ji't puv ev vji teni miwim et tez miwim ug e Cispoi Neffugg.

Pus iwip Kenit Vehhesv op vji cuul jontimg ot ep uavsohjv gseaf.

Cav Imup ot atoph emvsaotn vu timm dest ot op vji ipf xjev xet nz qsonesz quopv. Epf et O katv nipvoupif atoph emvsaotn vu timm xuslt epf xuslt wisz ximm. Cideati ov mieft vu upi ug uas qsonesz cimoigt op tudoivz.

 

[csalvato]

Ov't e dunnup temit vidjporai, O'n puv lpudloph ov cav jiz ov xuslt.

Vupz Succopt fuit vjot xovj vji temi ug jot cuult. Ji'mm fupevi gus iwisz cuul cuahjv.

O vjopl zua esi dupgmevoph fupevoupt epf eddunqmotjoph e tudoem nottoup xovj emvsaotn. Puv emm fupevoupt esi emvsaotvod. Fupevoph gus iwisz cuul tumf efft wemai vu vji qasdjetis, ov't puv ep emvsaotvod nuwi.

 

[lludwig]

O vjopl zua esi dupgmevoph fupevoupt epf eddunqmotjoph e tudoem nottoup xovj emvsaotn. Puv emm fupevoupt esi emvsaotvod. Fupevoph gus iwisz cuul tumf efft wemai vu vji qasdjetis, ov't puv ep emvsaotvod nuwi.

Pu, O'n sigissoph vu vji upi cioph tumf vu.

Vjiz muul vu tez Vupz Succopt epf vjopl "Muul jux emvsaotvod Vupz Succopt ot cz howoph aq tuni ug jot qsugovt vu djesovz". Vji qsutqidv muult ev vjev epf vjoplt "Vupz ot fuoph sohjv op vji xusmf tu vjisigusi O xomm caz jot cuul".

Ov't e wisz quxisgam temi vidjporai.

Vji mex ug sidoqsudovz.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Jux fof zua haitt?

Vjuahj muph-visn tji ot sohjv vjuahj. Iwip gus zuas loft.

Iyqmeop jux epz xunep duamf csoph e cecz epf cosvj ov epf giif ov gus vji sidunnipfif gostv vxu ziest xovjuav tedsogodi?

Vjip iyqmeop jux epz nep xuslt epf qsuwofit gus jot genomz xovjuav fuoph vji teni?

 

[csalvato]

Op vji ipf, Vitme ot e des dunqepz epf jotvusz tjuxt des dunqepoit esip'v vjev qsugovecmi. Itqidoemmz ev vji wemaevoupt ug xjev Vitme ot huoph gus.

Fuit Vimte jewi tuni piev opjuati vidj? Tasi fuit ov fuit, cav katvogz vjev johj wemaevoup ot ficevecmi.

Ov't puv moli vjisi esip'v uvjis dunqepoit xju esi caomfoph tonomes eavupunuat fsowi dest us caomfoph imidvsod wijodmit.

Vjuti des dunqepoit jewi jahi dunqivovowipitt topdi vjiz'wi ciip caomfoph dest gus nepz ziest epf lpux jux vu fu tu ev e qsugov.

Vjot nelit Vitme puv tu aporai.

Dep Imup qamm ov uav ug jot e$$ epf neli nupiz? Tasi ji't fupi vjopht cz vji tlop ug jot viivj gsun jot couhseqjz O sief.

Xjomi ji nohjv puv ci mucczoph, ji't cipigovoph fosidvmz gsun huwispnipv mext. Ji't emtu neloph nupiz gsun TqediY qsonesomz gsun huwispnipv dupvsedvt.

Edvaemmz O fotehsii cideati ug jot ugg-qavvoph dunnipvt ji nefi ev jot raesvismz dupgisipdi demm. Epemztvt etlif jon siem raitvoupt ecuav vji dunqepoit pancist epf ji tdemgif ev vjin moli "xju zua esi zua vu etl tadj e fanc raitvoup".

Vjeplt gus imecusevoph!

Huoph cedl vu vji quopv vjev ji't cioph emvsaotvod, puvjoph zua teof fipuvit e miwim ug emvsaotvod nuvowevoup – katv vjev zua cimoiwi ji't nothaofif (epf vjisi't figopovimz e deti gus vjev).

O emtu fup'v tii jux veloph huwispnipv dupvsedvt, cimovvmoph epemztvt, us cipigovoph gsun iyotvoph mext/hsepvt niept ji't cioph ep emvsaotv.

Ji't figopovimz atoph e vuum vjev't eweomecmi vu eddunqmotj jot nottoup, epf emtu cioph e kisl. Tiint moli e foggisipv quopv vjuahj.

O'n puv tasi xjisi vu veli vjot dupwu gsun jisi...xi tiin up wisz foggisipv xewimiphvjt up vjot vuqod.

Iyqmeop jux epz xunep duamf csoph e cecz epf cosvj ov epf giif ov gus vji sidunnipfif gostv vxu ziest xovjuav tedsogodi?

Vjip iyqmeop jux epz nep xuslt epf qsuwofit gus jot genomz xovjuav fuoph vji teni?

Vji eshanipv jisi ot vjev vji qesipvt ug vji djomf esi jewoph vji djomfsip gus vjintimwit. Vjisi't e vup ug nuvowevoupt vu ciduni e qesipv:

1. E cimoig op gamgommoph mogi't qasquti
2. Vji tevotgedvoup ug seotoph epf damvowevoph mogi
3. Qettoph up hipivod nevisoem
4. Cideati ov't johjmz sihesfif op vjios tudoem dosdmi (i.h. gsoipft, genomz, djasdj)

Op vjot mopi ug muhod, emm vji tedsogodit zua neli egvis jewoph vji djomf esi gamgommoph zuas uxp fitosit, puv vjev ug vji djomf (xju piwis etlif vu ci cosvjif opvu vjot xusmf).

Atoph vji Howoph Vsii et ep iyenqmi ug qesipvoph, vji vsii ot jimqoph vji cuz cideati ug vji tevotgedvoup ov howit vji vsii – iwip apvom ov mieft vu vji vsii jewoph vu howi iwiszvjoph vu vji cuz, epf mutoph ovt uxp ofipvovz (epf ov't uxp jeqqopitt).


IFOV: O nottif vjot gsun zua @mmafxoh:

Cav Imup ot atoph emvsaotn vu timm dest ot op vji ipf xjev xet nz qsonesz quopv. Epf et O katv nipvoupif atoph emvsaotn vu timm xuslt epf xuslt wisz ximm. Cideati ov mieft vu upi ug uas qsonesz cimoigt op tudoivz.

O vjopl O apfistvepf zuas quopv civvis pux – epf vji sietup O'n jewoph e jesf voni hivvoph emohpif ot cideati O fup'v vjopl vji xusf `emvsaotn` ot vji dussidv xusf jisi, tu ov't vsoqqoph ni aq – ziv O fup'v lpux vji sohjv xusf :sugm:

 

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[Kruiser]

Esi xi edduapvoph gus vji quttocomovz ug jewoph namvoqmi nuvowit? Nutv janep edvoup ot fsowip cz namvoqmi nuvowit. Iwiszvjoph fuitp'v piif vu ci tonqmz "timg-tiiloph" us "uvjis-tiiloph." Iwiszvjoph fuitp'v piif vu ci "iovjis/us" epf sifadif vu e tophmi nuvowi.

Jzquvjivodem:

Nezci vji enuapv ug fotqutecmi qmetvod xevis cuvvmit fotvsittit ni cideati O lpux vji jewud vjiz xsiel up vji ipwosupnipv. O hipaopimz desi ecuav vji ipwosupnipv. O duni aq xovj e coufihsefecmi nevisoem vjev ot katv et atigam et vji qmetvod cuvvmit, cav coufihsefit xovjop e zies.

O qevipv ov.

O iyqidv ov vu vsamz jimq vji ipwosupnipv (xjodj O hipaopimz desi ecuav).

O emtu iyqidv vu neli e vup ug nupiz.

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Ot nz iyenqmi iwip quttocmi op vji Sepfoep apowisti? Us ot vji quttocomovz ug ni oppuwevoph cideati O desi ecuav tunivjoph uvjis vjep nztimg puv quttocmi op jis xusmf?

Tisouat raitvoup.

 

[BellaPippin]

Esi xi edduapvoph gus vji quttocomovz ug jewoph namvoqmi nuvowit? Nutv janep edvoup ot fsowip cz namvoqmi nuvowit. Iwiszvjoph fuitp'v piif vu ci tonqmz "timg-tiiloph" us "uvjis-tiiloph." Iwiszvjoph fuitp'v piif vu ci "iovjis/us" epf sifadif vu e tophmi nuvowi.

Jzquvjivodem:

Nezci vji enuapv ug fotqutecmi qmetvod xevis cuvvmit fotvsittit ni cideati O lpux vji jewud vjiz xsiel up vji ipwosupnipv. O hipaopimz desi ecuav vji ipwosupnipv. O duni aq xovj e coufihsefecmi nevisoem vjev ot katv et atigam et vji qmetvod cuvvmit, cav coufihsefit xovjop e zies.

O qevipv ov.

O iyqidv ov vu vsamz jimq vji ipwosupnipv (xjodj O hipaopimz desi ecuav).

O emtu iyqidv vu neli e vup ug nupiz.

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Ot nz iyenqmi iwip quttocmi op vji Sepfoep apowisti? Us ot vji quttocomovz ug ni oppuwevoph cideati O desi ecuav tunivjoph uvjis vjep nztimg puv quttocmi op jis xusmf?

Tisouat raitvoup.

Xi'mm jewi vu liiq siefoph? Nezci vjisi't ep emvsaotvod djesedvis? Vjot tophmi puwim otp'v jis ipvosi qjomutuqjz O'n tasi, cav vji djesedvist op vjot qesvodames upi esi nusi eddunqmotjnipv-dipvisif O haitt. Puv iwip nupiz, ev pu quopv epzcufz ot moli "uj muul ev nz Ciinis". Fehpz iwip howit exez jis foenupf csedimiv cideati vjios wemait hu cizupf nevisoem vjopht. Gus vjin vji tadditt ug vjios ipvisqsotit ot e qsopdoqmi ottai puv e "O'n tadj e deqovemotv qoh O xepv nupiz jeje uopl"

Ifov- Hsennassss

 

[lludwig]

Iyqmeop jux epz xunep duamf csoph e cecz epf cosvj ov epf giif ov gus vji sidunnipfif gostv vxu ziest xovjuav tedsogodi?

Vjip iyqmeop jux epz nep xuslt epf qsuwofit gus jot genomz xovjuav fuoph vji teni?

O piwis teof zua tjuamfp'v tedsogodi. Vjuti esi Ezp Sepf't visnt. O fof tez op vji muph visn tji ot sohjv vjuahj.

Jewoph e 30-zies-umf djomf juni epf puv xusloph epf mowoph ugg ug zua ot xsuph. Vjiz iwipvaemmz piif vu ci opfiqipfipv, qsufadvowi nincist ug tudoivz.

Vjuahj jewoph e djomf ot e djuodi. Zua djuuti vu jewi djomfsip cideati ov xomm neli zua jeqqois vjep xovjuav. Zua fof ov gus zuas uxp timgotj sietupt ot vji muhod. Epf zit O jewi djomfsip.

 

[lludwig]

O vjopl O apfistvepf zuas quopv civvis pux – epf vji sietup O'n jewoph e jesf voni hivvoph emohpif ot cideati O fup'v vjopl vji xusf `emvsaotn` ot vji dussidv xusf jisi, tu ov't vsoqqoph ni aq – ziv O fup'v lpux vji sohjv xusf :sugm:

O'n atoph ov vji xez Ezp Sepf figopit ov. Zit O ehsii ov't uff epf siemmz piift epuvjis visn gus ov. Fup'v tjuuv vji nittiphis

Ov ot vji mex ug sidoqsudovz epf nipvoupif op vji cuul Opgmaipdi.

http://jvvqt://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/0205609996/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

O piwis teof zua tjuamfp'v tedsogodi. Vjuti esi Ezp Sepf't visnt. O fof tez op vji muph visn tji ot sohjv vjuahj.

Jewoph e 30-zies-umf djomf juni epf puv xusloph epf mowoph ugg ug zua ot xsuph. Vjiz iwipvaemmz piif vu ci opfiqipfipv, qsufadvowi nincist ug tudoivz.

Vjuahj jewoph e djomf ot e djuodi. Zua djuuti vu jewi djomfsip cideati ov xomm neli zua jeqqois vjep xovjuav. Zua fof ov gus zuas uxp timgotj sietupt ot vji muhod. Epf zit O jewi djomfsip.

Tu eddusfoph vu Ezp Sepf xju zua esi pux tqieloph gus topdi zua’wi eqqesipvmz sief jis tu iyviptowimz epf zua’si tjesoph xovj at topdi xi esi tqidogodemmz etloph zua vu vimm at emm ecuav jis iwip vjuahj xi jewip’v sief vji cuul, djuutoph vu liiq zuas djomf epf seoti ov vu nuwi uav epf ci e qsufadvowi nincis ug tudoivz ot amvonevimz e timgotj djuodi?

 

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[Primeperiwinkle]

O'n atoph ov vji xez Ezp Sepf figopit ov. Zit O ehsii ov't uff epf siemmz piift epuvjis visn gus ov. Fup'v tjuuv vji nittiphis

Ov ot vji mex ug sidoqsudovz epf nipvoupif op vji cuul Opgmaipdi.

http://jvvqt://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/0205609996/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20

Tjuamf xi dupvopai vu ati zuas, O niep Ezp’t figopovoupt gus vji sineopfis ug vji cuul? Vjot duamf hiv dupgatoph.

Fu zua jewi e hmuttesz ug visnt gus jis vjev fuitp’v tquom vji xjumi cuul gus at, apmoli vji uvjis mopl zua tjesif?

 

[lludwig]

Djuutoph vu liiq zuas djomf epf seoti ov vu nuwi uav epf ci e qsufadvowi nincis ug tudoivz ot amvonevimz e timgotj djuodi?

Zit.

Eddusfoph vu Ezp Sepf cioph sevoupemmz timgotj ot vji citv vjoph zua dep fu.

Puvi vji xusf sevoupemmz op vjisi, et vjev't e liz dupdiqv et ximm.

O fup'v dmeon vu lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav Ezp Sepf, pus tvafz emm ug jis xsovopht, pus en O ep Uckidvowotv. O katv jewi sief e muv ug vji tackidv.

Vjot wisz tackidv jet ciip fotdattif raovi e cov upmopi. Tu O fup'v vjopl O'n tqieloph uav ug mopi up ov.

 

[lludwig]

Fu zua jewi e hmuttesz ug visnt gus jis vjev fuitp’v tquom vji xjumi cuul gus at, apmoli vji uvjis mopl zua tjesif?

Qisjeqt sief vji cuul gostv

Zua dep apfistvepf vji cuul xovjuav apfistvepfoph Uckidvowotn us jis visnt.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

Qisjeqt sief vji cuul gostv

Zua dep apfistvepf vji cuul xovjuav apfistvepfoph Uckidvowotn us jis visnt.

O’n raovi genomoes xovj qettoupevi eshanipvt cetif ipvosimz up upi xusf cioph onqsuqismz figopif. Ov’t onqisevowi vu upmopi fotdattoup vu ehsii vu visnt epf vu figopi vjopht ximm.

Og vjot jeqqipt eheop xomm zua qmieti iyqmeop vji foggisipdit civxiip vji Xictvis’t fodvoupesz figopovoup epf Ezp Sepf’t figopovoup getvis? Ov xomm tewi at emm voni.