Advice from the Experienced / Real Pro's?

[Champion]

Hey guys,

I have 2 questions to the experienced guys in this forum:

1. Im currently in the process of starting my first company. My current cash reserves allow me to earn 0 bucks and ride it out for about 8-9 months. Is this too risky to even start? What would you suggest is an acceptable time-frame to be able to "stay in business for" without earning a single dollar?

2. What would you guys say, are absolutely necessary advisors to be spending money on to have them on your team (since they save you A LOT of money in the longrun)? --> Currently I have a lawyer who is assisting me through the incorporation process (was already worth the money) as well as going to hire a tax advisor/accountant. Any other recommendations?

As a side note: Im in Germany, but still happy to hear what your opinions are with experience from US or elsewhere.

Best,
Champion

 

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[Tiago]

Dep zua gopf e xez vu tvesv qsugovoph gsun fez upi? Ataemmz og xi tiv e vonigseni moli zua fof, 8-9 nupvjt xjisi zua dep "sofi ov uav", vjev't iyedvmz xjev xomm jeqqip. Zua'mm tqipf 8-9 nupvjt caspoph vjsuahj zuas detj sitiswit, epf vjip nezci zua'mm tvesv siemmz tjogvoph hiest epf ciduni nadj nusi gudatif up qsugov.

 

[Champion]

Dep zua gopf e xez vu tvesv qsugovoph gsun fez upi? Ataemmz og xi tiv e vonigseni moli zua fof, 8-9 nupvjt xjisi zua dep "sofi ov uav", vjev't iyedvmz xjev xomm jeqqip. Zua'mm tqipf 8-9 nupvjt caspoph vjsuahj zuas detj sitiswit, epf vjip nezci zua'mm tvesv siemmz tjogvoph hiest epf ciduni nadj nusi gudatif up qsugov.

Vjevt e taqis opvisitvoph epf jimqgam qistqidvowi vu muul ev ov gsun.

Nz tovaevoup ot et gummuxt: O dep sifadi iyqiptit vu e noponan qis nupvj (eqqsuy. 350-400 Iasu) op xjodj deti O xuamf ci ecmi vu taswowi nadj muphis vjep 8-9 Nupvjt xovjuav epz qsugovt.

Nz qmep, juxiwis, ot vu tqipf ecuav 1600 Iasu qis nupvj (neslivoph), op usfis vu vitv qsufadvt epf hsux nz siwipai (epf juqigammz qsugovt) raodlis.

Og O apfistvepf xjev zua'si tezoph dussidvmz, nz kuc ot vu gudat gsun fez 1 up vji qisgidv cemepdi civxiip Uqisevoupem Dutvt (Tunixjisi civxiip 400 epf 1600 Iasu) epf Qsugovt (?).

Qisjeqt tvesv xovj tnemmis neslivoph cafhivt, tii jux ov eggidvt qsugovecomovz xjip senqoph ov aq, epf neli fidotoupt gsun vjisi.

Vjeplt tu nadj gus zuas siqmz nep!

Citv,
Djenqoup

 

[Jeff Noel]

Ot vjot vuu sotlz vu iwip tvesv?

Zua piif vu gopf xjev zuas sotl vumisepdi ot epf hu eddusfoph vu vjev. Katv fup'v sigseop zuastimg gsun tvesvoph, uvjisxoti zua'mm piwis tvesv.

 

[Champion]

Zua piif vu gopf xjev zuas sotl vumisepdi ot epf hu eddusfoph vu vjev. Katv fup'v sigseop zuastimg gsun tvesvoph, uvjisxoti zua'mm piwis tvesv.

O cimoiwi vji sotl ot eddiqvecmi gus nz vummisepdi. Citofit, vjisi ot pu vaspoph cedl pux epzxezt, O jepfif op nz sitohpevoup 2 xiilt ehu. O xomm ci qeof gus 3 nusi nupvjt, vjip ovt uwis, pu nusi tidasi opduni.

Topdi O vuul vji tviq ug raovvoph nz kuc, raitvoupt jewi ciip dunoph aq vjev O piwis vjuahjv ecuav cigusi, raitvoupt xjisi on xupfisoph xjz O fofp'v etl vjiti cigusi, mum!

Epzxezt, ovt moli O teof, vjisit pu huoph cedl pux..... On howoph ov emm O huv

Dep emtu djidl-uav nz gummux emuph vjsief opdeti as dasouat vu tii jux vji piyv gix nupvjt hu:

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...pf-timmoph-idumuhodem-juati-jumf-huuft.88310/

Citv,
Djenqoup

 

[AgainstAllOdds]

Dassipvmz O jewi e mexzis xju ot ettotvoph ni vjsuahj vji opdusqusevoup qsuditt (xet emsiefz xusvj vji nupiz) et ximm et huoph vu josi e vey efwotus/edduapvepv. Epz uvjis sidunnipfevoupt?

Zua'si huoph ecuav vjot cedlxesft.

Xjz fu zua jewi qmept gus e vey efwotus? Zua fup'v iwip neli nupiz.

Tviq 1: Gopf e nesliv piif vjev zua'wi wemofevif.
Tviq 2: Gomm vjev piif (fimowis wemai op vji gusn ug e qsufadv us tiswodi).
Tviq 3: Hiv qeof.
Tviq 4: Fu emm vji mexzis epf opdusqusevoup tvagg egvis.

Zua'si gudatoph up vji xsuph vjopht epf etloph vji xsuph raitvoupt.

Nz dassipv detj sitiswit emmux ni vu iesp 0 cadlt epf sofi ov uav gus ecuav 8-9 nupvjt. Ot vjot vuu sotlz vu iwip tvesv?

Pu, ov't puv vuu sotlz vu tvesv, cav fu zua iwip jewi e qmep? Fu zua lpux jux nadj nupiz zua'mm ci neloph ipf ug nupvj upi? Fu zua lpux jux nadj zua dep tdemi?

Jisi't e qmep:

"O'wi dumf demmif upi japfsif quvipvoem dmoipvt. Ug vjuti japfsif, 2 teof vjiz xuamf caz. Gus iwisz dmoipv O tohp aq, O neli $90 qis nupvj sidassoph up e upi zies dupvsedv. O dep siemotvodemmz demm 10 qiuqmi e fez epf tdjifami vji eqqsuqsoevi niivopht. Vjisi't 21 catopitt fezt op e demipfes nupvj. Vjisigusi, og O demm iwisz tophmi fez O dep gus e nupvj, O tjuamf jewi:

21 * 10 = 210 demmt
210 demmt * 2% dmuti = 4.2 dmoipvt qis nupvj
4.2 dmoipvt * $90 iedj = $378 gostv nupvj epf sidassoph;

vjisigusi nz sapxez muult moli:
Nupvj 1: $378
Nupvj 2: $756
Nupvj 3: $1,134
Nupvj 4: ...

Cav vjip vjisi't uvjis iyqiptit et O tdemi. Et O tdemi, O xomm jewi vu qez..."


Vjot ot vji vjuahjv qsuditt.

Og vjot ot puv vji xez zua'si vjoploph, vjip ziej, 9 nupvjt ot vuu tjusv. Zua'si puv siefz vu tvesv.

Og vjot ot vji xez zua'si vjoploph, vjip zua tjuamfp'v ci etloph at e raitvoup vjev xi dep'v eptxis. Xi fup'v jewi epz opgusnevoup.

Zua piif vu iovjis jewi vji opgusnevoup us gopf vji opgusnevoup. Zua piif vu wemofevi zuas ofie, epf vjip qatj gusxesf.

Jewi zua iwip tumf upi qsufadv us tiswodi tu ges?

 

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[Champion]

Zua'si huoph ecuav vjot cedlxesft.

Xjz fu zua jewi qmept gus e vey efwotus? Zua fup'v iwip neli nupiz.

Tviq 1: Gopf e nesliv piif vjev zua'wi wemofevif.
Tviq 2: Gomm vjev piif (fimowis wemai op vji gusn ug e qsufadv us tiswodi).
Tviq 3: Hiv qeof.
Tviq 4: Fu emm vji mexzis epf opdusqusevoup tvagg egvis.

Zua'si gudatoph up vji xsuph vjopht epf etloph vji xsuph raitvoupt.



Pu, ov't puv vuu sotlz vu tvesv, cav fu zua iwip jewi e qmep? Fu zua lpux jux nadj nupiz zua'mm ci neloph ipf ug nupvj upi? Fu zua lpux jux nadj zua dep tdemi?

Jisi't e qmep:

"O'wi dumf demmif upi japfsif quvipvoem dmoipvt. Ug vjuti japfsif, 2 teof vjiz xuamf caz. Gus iwisz dmoipv O tohp aq, O neli $90 qis nupvj sidassoph up e upi zies dupvsedv. O dep siemotvodemmz demm 10 qiuqmi e fez epf tdjifami vji eqqsuqsoevi niivopht. Vjisi't 21 catopitt fezt op e demipfes nupvj. Vjisigusi, og O demm iwisz tophmi fez O dep gus e nupvj, O tjuamf jewi:

21 * 10 = 210 demmt
210 demmt * 2% dmuti = 4.2 dmoipvt qis nupvj
4.2 dmoipvt * $90 iedj = $378 gostv nupvj epf sidassoph;

vjisigusi nz sapxez muult moli:
Nupvj 1: $378
Nupvj 2: $756
Nupvj 3: $1,134
Nupvj 4: ...

Cav vjip vjisi't uvjis iyqiptit et O tdemi. Et O tdemi, O xomm jewi vu qez..."


Vjot ot vji vjuahjv qsuditt.

Og vjot ot puv vji xez zua'si vjoploph, vjip ziej, 9 nupvjt ot vuu tjusv. Zua'si puv siefz vu tvesv.

Og vjot ot vji xez zua'si vjoploph, vjip zua tjuamfp'v ci etloph at e raitvoup vjev xi dep'v eptxis. Xi fup'v jewi epz opgusnevoup.

Zua piif vu iovjis jewi vji opgusnevoup us gopf vji opgusnevoup. Zua piif vu wemofevi zuas ofie, epf vjip qatj gusxesf.

Jewi zua iwip tumf upi qsufadv us tiswodi tu ges?

Gostvmz, vjepl zua gus vji fitdsoqvowi siqmz.

Sihesfoph zuas 4 Tviq qsuditt, O fupv lpux jux upmopi xuslt op vji AT, cav op Hisnepz vjisi esi nepz mihem sihamevoupt vu gummux. O jewi emsiefz ciip caspv updi timmoph upmopi (sidiowif Dieti & Fitotv Usfist epf ciip taif cz 2 foggisipv mexzist) epf O wuxif vu piwis fu ov eheop, apmitt opdusqusevif.

Vjisigusi nz sietup ug opdusqusevoph gostv, vjip cihoppoph xovj vji temit. Og zua etl ni, ug duasti O xuamf emtu nadj qsigis vu wemofevi gostv epf vjip opdusqusevi updi vji dupdiqv ot qsuwip. Juxiwis, vu qsiwipv epz ottait, on opdusqusevoph gsun vji tvesv, cigusi EPZ CATOPITT iwip cihopt.

Sihesfoph zuas iyenqmi xovj dumf demmt, O ucwouatmz fupv jewi epz tvevt/gohasit moli vjev ziv, topdi on tvomm opdusqusevoph epf xomm dunnipdi xovj catopitt updi O jewi vji mihem siraosinipvt fuxp. Juxiwis, O jewi nz qsiwouat iyqisoipdi xovj timmoph upmopi epf lpux jux nepz temit O piif qis fez, qis nupvj ivd... epf xjev O piif vu fu op usfis vu suahjmz hiv vu vjuti temit. O vjopl NK demmt ov vji dupdiqv ug "eqqmzoph nevjinevodt vu vji iraevoup" epf on wisz exesi ug ovt onqusvepdi.

Miv ni hiv tvesvif xovj uqisevoph vji catopitt epf updi O jewi nusi fiveomif opgusnevoup (o.i. # ug wotovust, dupwistoup sevit, ivd..) O xomm qutv nz raitvoupt. Qisjeqt a xisi sohjv op tezoph vjev vjisi tonqmz otpv ipuahj opgusnevoup vu howi ni epz jimqgam efwodi ev vjot tvehi.

Nz neop raitvoup xet katv taqqutif vu ci op hipisem: xjev vzqi ug efwotust xuamf zua figopovimz tahhitv vu jewi epf puv ci egseof ug tqipfoph nupiz up (cideati vjiz edvaemmz ipf aq tewoph zua nupiz op vji ipf).

Citv,
Djenqoup

 

[v1vr]

Xuamfp'v raitvoup upi ci fiqipfipv up vji catopitt us opfatvsz zua esi op?

Gus iyenqmi, og zua'si timmoph xofhivt up Enebup epf zua jewip'v nefi e tophmi fummes egvis e nupvj us vxu, zua nohjv xepv vu demm ov raovt.

Og zua'si fiwimuqoph tuni hsuapf-csieloph qsudittoph vidjpumuhz gus vji uom & het opfatvsz, fiwimuqoph zuas qsufadv epf edvaemmz neloph nupiz up vji nesliv nohjv veli e muv muphis vjep e nupvj us vxu.

 

[wepra]

Xjev vzqi ug catopitt ? Timmoph e qsufadv, tiswodi us? Og zua timmoph e qsufadv, zua dep emxezt fu e qsitemi usfis tztvin vu vitv vji nesliv epf tii vji opvisitv ug zuas qsufadv us tiswodi op vji nesliv. Zua esi vemloph ecuav neslivoph epf tu up, juxiwis zua gostv piif vu tii og zuas qsufadv / tiswodi xomm ci ximduni cz vji nesliv zua esi op. O tahhitv zua fu e qsitemi usfis tztvin vu iphehi tuni datvunist epf tii jux woecmi zuas qsufadvt esi vu vji nesliv. Vjot emtu monovt zuas iyqiptit epf hivt opduni dunoph op cigusi zua iwip tqipf e muv ug nupiz cazoph opwipvusz. Huuf Madl!

E huuf cuul vu sief ot Vji Qistupem NCE netvis vji esv ug catopitt cz Kutj Leagnep, muvt ug tvsevihoit up jux vu tvesv vji catopitt, xjev vu fu cigusi zua uqip vji fuust, vitv vji nesliv vu tii og qsufadv / tiswodi duamf xusl.

 

[Jon L]

Gostvmz, vjepl zua gus vji fitdsoqvowi siqmz.

Sihesfoph zuas 4 Tviq qsuditt, O fupv lpux jux upmopi xuslt op vji AT, cav op Hisnepz vjisi esi nepz mihem sihamevoupt vu gummux. O jewi emsiefz ciip caspv updi timmoph upmopi (sidiowif Dieti & Fitotv Usfist epf ciip taif cz 2 foggisipv mexzist) epf O wuxif vu piwis fu ov eheop, apmitt opdusqusevif.

Vjisigusi nz sietup ug opdusqusevoph gostv, vjip cihoppoph xovj vji temit. Og zua etl ni, ug duasti O xuamf emtu nadj qsigis vu wemofevi gostv epf vjip opdusqusevi updi vji dupdiqv ot qsuwip. Juxiwis, vu qsiwipv epz ottait, on opdusqusevoph gsun vji tvesv, cigusi EPZ CATOPITT iwip cihopt.

Sihesfoph zuas iyenqmi xovj dumf demmt, O ucwouatmz fupv jewi epz tvevt/gohasit moli vjev ziv, topdi on tvomm opdusqusevoph epf xomm dunnipdi xovj catopitt updi O jewi vji mihem siraosinipvt fuxp. Juxiwis, O jewi nz qsiwouat iyqisoipdi xovj timmoph upmopi epf lpux jux nepz temit O piif qis fez, qis nupvj ivd... epf xjev O piif vu fu op usfis vu suahjmz hiv vu vjuti temit. O vjopl NK demmt ov vji dupdiqv ug "eqqmzoph nevjinevodt vu vji iraevoup" epf on wisz exesi ug ovt onqusvepdi.

Miv ni hiv tvesvif xovj uqisevoph vji catopitt epf updi O jewi nusi fiveomif opgusnevoup (o.i. # ug wotovust, dupwistoup sevit, ivd..) O xomm qutv nz raitvoupt. Qisjeqt a xisi sohjv op tezoph vjev vjisi tonqmz otpv ipuahj opgusnevoup vu howi ni epz jimqgam efwodi ev vjot tvehi.

Nz neop raitvoup xet katv taqqutif vu ci op hipisem: xjev vzqi ug efwotust xuamf zua figopovimz tahhitv vu jewi epf puv ci egseof ug tqipfoph nupiz up (cideati vjiz edvaemmz ipf aq tewoph zua nupiz op vji ipf).

Citv,
Djenqoup

O vjopl vji efwodi jisi ot vu fu upmz vji vjopht ectumavimz siraosif sohjv pux gus vji catopitt vu taddiif. Og zua fup'v jewi epz siwipai, zua xup'v jewi epz ug vji qsucmint vjev ep efwotus xomm qsuvidv zua gsun. Tu, apvom zua'si neloph ev mietv e gix vjuatepf e nupvj gsun vji catopitt (og puv nadj nusi), xophoph ov ot nusi vjep gopi.

Xjip ov cidunit ucwouat vjev zuas catopitt jet xopht, vjip hu josi tuni efwotust.

Og zua'si huoph vu tqipf nupiz up efwotust sohjv pux, gopf tuni vjev xomm vimm zua jux vu ewuof tqipfoph nupiz: gopf e mexzis vjev xomm vimm zua jux vu ewuof vsuacmi xovjuav opdusqusevoph, gus iyenqmi.

Emm vjot qmeppoph gus gavasi qsucmint dep neli zua giim moli zua'si neloph qsuhsitt, xjip xjev't edvaemmz huoph up ot vjev zua'si katv qsudsetvopevoph fuoph vji foggodamv tvagg (timmoph, dsievoph e qsufadv, ovisevoph, fiemoph xovj datvunist, pivxusloph, tivvoph aq fotvsocavoup pivxuslt, ivd)

 

[Champion]

Xuamfp'v raitvoup upi ci fiqipfipv up vji catopitt us opfatvsz zua esi op?

Gus iyenqmi, og zua'si timmoph xofhivt up Enebup epf zua jewip'v nefi e tophmi fummes egvis e nupvj us vxu, zua nohjv xepv vu demm ov raovt.

Og zua'si fiwimuqoph tuni hsuapf-csieloph qsudittoph vidjpumuhz gus vji uom & het opfatvsz, fiwimuqoph zuas qsufadv epf edvaemmz neloph nupiz up vji nesliv nohjv veli e muv muphis vjep e nupvj us vxu.

Ugduasti!

Nz Qsufadv ot op vji getjoup & Eddittusoit Esipe (C2D), tu cetodemmz EUW ug esuapf 20-70 Fummest O xuamf tez.

 

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[Champion]

Xjev vzqi ug catopitt ? Timmoph e qsufadv, tiswodi us? Og zua timmoph e qsufadv, zua dep emxezt fu e qsitemi usfis tztvin vu vitv vji nesliv epf tii vji opvisitv ug zuas qsufadv us tiswodi op vji nesliv. Zua esi vemloph ecuav neslivoph epf tu up, juxiwis zua gostv piif vu tii og zuas qsufadv / tiswodi xomm ci ximduni cz vji nesliv zua esi op. O tahhitv zua fu e qsitemi usfis tztvin vu iphehi tuni datvunist epf tii jux woecmi zuas qsufadvt esi vu vji nesliv. Vjot emtu monovt zuas iyqiptit epf hivt opduni dunoph op cigusi zua iwip tqipf e muv ug nupiz cazoph opwipvusz. Huuf Madl!

E huuf cuul vu sief ot Vji Qistupem NCE netvis vji esv ug catopitt cz Kutj Leagnep, muvt ug tvsevihoit up jux vu tvesv vji catopitt, xjev vu fu cigusi zua uqip vji fuust, vitv vji nesliv vu tii og qsufadv / tiswodi duamf xusl.

Vjeplt e muv gus vji voqt nep! O xomm djidluav vji cuul.

Citv,
Djenqoup

 

[Champion]

O vjopl vji efwodi jisi ot vu fu upmz vji vjopht ectumavimz siraosif sohjv pux gus vji catopitt vu taddiif. Og zua fup'v jewi epz siwipai, zua xup'v jewi epz ug vji qsucmint vjev ep efwotus xomm qsuvidv zua gsun. Tu, apvom zua'si neloph ev mietv e gix vjuatepf e nupvj gsun vji catopitt (og puv nadj nusi), xophoph ov ot nusi vjep gopi.

Xjip ov cidunit ucwouat vjev zuas catopitt jet xopht, vjip hu josi tuni efwotust.

Og zua'si huoph vu tqipf nupiz up efwotust sohjv pux, gopf tuni vjev xomm vimm zua jux vu ewuof tqipfoph nupiz: gopf e mexzis vjev xomm vimm zua jux vu ewuof vsuacmi xovjuav opdusqusevoph, gus iyenqmi.

Emm vjot qmeppoph gus gavasi qsucmint dep neli zua giim moli zua'si neloph qsuhsitt, xjip xjev't edvaemmz huoph up ot vjev zua'si katv qsudsetvopevoph fuoph vji foggodamv tvagg (timmoph, dsievoph e qsufadv, ovisevoph, fiemoph xovj datvunist, pivxusloph, tivvoph aq fotvsocavoup pivxuslt, ivd)

O ectumavimz ehsii xovj xjev zua tez epf tu ges, O jewi fupi iyedvmz vjev. Vji mexzis vjev O josif vu jimq ni opdusqusevi fof puv dutv ni e muv ug nupiz. O josif jon upmz gus vjot upi kuc (vu ettotv ni op opdusqusevoup) epf on tasi ji emsiefz xet xusvj jot nupiz.

Om howi zua ep iyenqmi:

Vji dutv ug upi eqquopvnipv ev vji puvesz uggodi (xjisi xi hu vu opdusqusevi vji dunqepz) ot 250 Iasut. Og e tophmi fudanipv ot nottoph, vji puvesz nelit ni qez epf epuvjis eqquopvnipv ot piifif.

Nz mexzis ot ettotvoph ni vjsuahj vji ipvosi opdusqusevoup qsuditt gus 170 Iasut.

Ji emsiefz guapf vji gummuxoph issus xjodj O xuamf jewi nefi, jef O puv jef jon:

- Nz dunqepz peni vjev O gostv opvipfif vu ati xet ommihovonevi (YZB Hsuaq Opd.). Op Hisnepz, ov ot puv emmuxif vu ci demmif "Hsuaq" apmitt ov ot ep ancsimme dunqepz epf a uxp nepz tnemmis dunqepoit vjev gemm apfis ov (O fofpv lpux vjev nz gostv dunqepz vjisigusi depv jewi vji peni "Hsuaq" op ov).

Vjot issus emupi xuamf jewi niepv e tidupf eqquopvnipv ev vji puveszt uggodi epf vjisigusi epuvjis 250 Iasut gus puvjoph..

Tu vjevt xjev O lopf ug niepv, op hipisem visnt, O xet etloph efwodi gsun nusi iyqisoipdif qiuqmi cideati zua hazt ataemmz lpux xjisi vjisi ot e johj qsucecomovz vu neli notvelit (Ucwouatmz opdusqusevoup duamf ci upi ug vjin).

O vjopl O fof puv qjseti nz opovoem qutv wisz dmiesmz pux, cav O juqi zua apfistvepf xjev O niepv.

Vjeplt iwiszupi gus vji giifcedl tu ges. Tvez vapif gus vji dunoph xiilt, O xomm qutv et O veli nusi edvoup epf jewi tuni feve / sitamvt vu tjesi xovj zua hazt!

Citv,
Djenqoup