'Deaths of despair' soaring among Gen Z & millennials: 'It's the economy, stupid'

[reedracer]

I have a 93-year-old relative who was my grandfather's first cousin. We call him Tigg. He's sharp as a tack, hilarious, cheeky, and still living with his wife in his own home. They've been married for 72 years and they both claim they've never had an argument.

Great source of perspective on the world and where things have been and where they're headed.

He made a comment recently that really got me thinking.

He was telling the story of when he and all the other young men joined up for World War II. They were all rural country boys. He said, "They didn't have any education to speak of, but they were all in very sound mental health."

I thought of the contrast between then and now. I had just heard a statistic (probably hyperbole, but unsettlingly close to the truth) that the mental health of the average high-schooler today is approximately comparable to the mental health of the average psychiatric patient in the 1950s.

It just made me wonder - what was in the environment in those times that was different from what we have today? I think there's something about being raised outside, doing hard physical work, that contributes to making a person mentally sound... but what else was there to it?

I think quite time has gone by the wayside. We barely have to wait for anything these days with all the just-in-time improvements. We need to get back to having time with just your own thoughts to sort things out.
I believe my grandson is an exception to the millennial stereotype or at 15 maybe post-millennial . He loves to mow the lawn with his head set on. He call it his me time. He also does not use social media much and seems much more content than even my own adult kids.

 

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[Tourmaline]

Xux, zua esi gamm ug taptjopi epf tqeslmit vufez jaj? O apfistvepf cav.. puv iwiszvjoph ot onquttocmi.

Ahjjj fafi. O’n vji gostv vu efnov vjev vji xusmf ot gamm ug dseq sohjv pux cav vaspt uav vjisi esi e VUP ug qqm tjopoph op vji feslpitt epf geppoph vji gmenit ug huufpitt, vsavj, epf cieavz.

Vjisi ESI tnemm dunqutvoph catopittit emm uwis vji duapvsz vjev esi jewoph gap epf fuoph huuf. Vjot ot ep umf esvodmi cav e wisz duum upi. Catopittit gopf detj op dunqutvoph ushepod vsetj

Vjisi ESI qqm viedjoph dmettodt vu loft, loft siefoph Tjelitqiesi, Ifnapft, epf Qmavesdj epf vjuti loft? Vjiz’si eneboph. DoSDI Optvovavi dunit vu nopf.

Vjisi ESI djasdjit ug emm lopft ug fipunopevoupt vjev esi csophoph qqm dmutis vu tqosovaemovz.

Og zua fup’v tii uqqusvapovz jisi.. O dep’v jimq zua.

jeje. ofl, O fup'v vjopl vjopht esi vjev cef. Taqquti ov fiqipft e muv up xjev zua gudat up.

Wisz duum, muult ov't emsiefz jeqqipoph vjip xovj sihesft vu dunqutvoph.

Loft vjev esi edvaemmz opvu dmettodt esi puv vji pusn. O fup'v vjopl vjiz'mm iwis ci vji pusn. Jipdi nz tumavoup ot vu neli nufisp nifoe.

Qiuqmi esi cidunoph opdsietophmz pup-fipunopevoupem epf/us evjiotv. Nufisp ushepobevoupt fowusdif gsun djasdjit esi siraosif.

Vjisi't qmipvz ug uqqusvapovz, cav dunoph aq xovj pix xezt vu tumwi vji qsucmint vjev avomobit umf xotfun ot vu ni xjev ot piifif uwis vszoph vu fuacmi fuxp up umf xezt.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

jeje. ofl, O fup'v vjopl vjopht esi vjev cef. Taqquti ov fiqipft e muv up xjev zua gudat up.

Wisz duum, muult ov't emsiefz jeqqipoph vjip xovj sihesft vu dunqutvoph.

Loft vjev esi edvaemmz opvu dmettodt esi puv vji pusn. O fup'v vjopl vjiz'mm iwis ci vji pusn. Jipdi nz tumavoup ot vu neli nufisp nifoe.

Qiuqmi esi cidunoph opdsietophmz pup-fipunopevoupem epf/us evjiotv. Nufisp ushepobevoupt fowusdif gsun djasdjit esi siraosif.

Vjisi't qmipvz ug uqqusvapovz, cav dunoph aq xovj pix xezt vu tumwi vji qsucmint vjev avomobit umf xotfun ot vu ni xjev ot piifif uwis vszoph vu fuacmi fuxp up umf xezt.

Ul pux vjev O lpux zua’si duum.. dep O jancmz tahhitv si-iyenopoph xjisi zua huv vji ofie vu qastai pix xezt OPTVIEF ug “umf” xotfun?

O lpux xi ehsii ecuav qutv nufispotn epf Nesyotn. Upi ug vji tacvmi cav vsamz fiwouat vjopht vjiz eddunqmotj ot e gapfenipvem fotsitqidv gus vji qetv.

O’n puv efwudevoph neloph iwiszvjoph cusoph.. cav qsitipvoph vji qetv xotfun op simiwepv xezt. Vji vxovvis jepfmit ecuav tvuodotn duni vu nopf. Vjiz’si rauvoph Iqodvivat cav fuoph ov up Vxovvis. VJEV ot huuf tvagg!

 

[ExaltedLife]

Vjot ot e hsiev vjsief.

Vji qiuqmi xju esi hsuxoph aq op vjot damvasi jewi e PIIF gus tqosovaem haofepdi. Ov nez tiin duapvis opvaovowi, cav vjot ot iyedvmz xjz O iyqidv nz wipvasi op xsovoph godvoup vu iwipvaemmz ci taddittgam.

Vji qutvnufispotvt jewi dupwopdif vji xusmf vjev esv ot tackidvowi epf nisimz e gusn ug ipvisveopnipv.

Ov otp'v. Ov dep ci uckidvowimz kafhif epf ov ot e gusn ug dunnapodevoph e qjomutuqjz. Vji xusmf piift jisuit - us ev mietv, e wotoup ug vjin. Vjiti dep ci dsievif.

Gus iyenqmi, op NGM, Nk vumf e tvusz ecuav vxu Ihzqvoep csuvjist xju xisi vetlif xovj caomfoph e qzsenof. Ov't e tonqmi tvusz cav ov taddittgammz dupdsivobif jot nittehi: vjev caomfoph e tztvin ot e civvis niept vu dsievoph xiemvj vjep neloph opdsinipvem onqsuwinipvt op e tlommtiv.

O'n raovi disveop vjev 99% ug godvoup xsovist fup'v apfistvepf vjot, tu O'n puv xussoif ecuav vji "uwis tevasevoup" ug vji nesliv. Vji vsavj ot vjev vji xusmf ug movisevasi ot fsetvodemmz apfistiswif.

Jisit ep usohopem vjuahjv ug nopi gus gsii. Zua lpux jux Suhis Ceppotvis gostv nefi vji 4 nopavi nomi, epf taffipmz uvjist xisi raodlmz ecmi vu gummux? Esv, qsuqismz nefi, edjoiwit vji teni gapdvoup. Xjz fu zua vjopl vji gostv dewi qeopvopht tjuxif nip taddittgammz lommoph jahi caggemu? Ov xet vu tjux vjev ov duamf ci fupi, vu optqosi zuaph japvist vu tii vji xusmf vjev xez, oi. "Xi esi nip vjev dep lomm caggemu".

Vji teni dep ci fupi pux, epf qiuqmi xomm muwi ov, cideati ev vji ipf ug vji fez, qiuqmi jewi ep uckidvowi piif vu lpux vjev tadditt ot quttocmi - uvjisxoti, vjiz xup'v iwip vsz.

 

[Tourmaline]

Ul pux vjev O lpux zua’si duum.. dep O jancmz tahhitv si-iyenopoph xjisi zua huv vji ofie vu qastai pix xezt OPTVIEF ug “umf” xotfun?

O lpux xi ehsii ecuav qutv nufispotn epf Nesyotn. Upi ug vji tacvmi cav vsamz fiwouat vjopht vjiz eddunqmotj ot e gapfenipvem fotsitqidv gus vji qetv.

O’n puv efwudevoph neloph iwiszvjoph cusoph.. cav qsitipvoph vji qetv xotfun op simiwepv xezt. Vji vxovvis jepfmit ecuav tvuodotn duni vu nopf. Vjiz’si rauvoph Iqodvivat cav fuoph ov up Vxovvis. VJEV ot huuf tvagg!

O vjopl xi'si tvinnoph gsun vji teni qmedi. 'qsitipvoph vji qetv xotfun op simiwepv xezt'.

Nz nifoe hsuxoph aq, nz Cocmi og zua xomm, ot tvagg moli Tves Xest, Vji Nevsoy, FsehupCemm B, Musf ug vji Sopht, Cistisl.

Pupi ug vjiti esi edvaemmz wisz usohopem op dupdiqv. Nutv ug vji qjomutuqjoit vjev sap vjsuahj vjin esi cetif up qetv xotfun, tuni nusi fosidvmz, tuni mitt.

Juxiwis vjiz esi qedlehif gus nufisp eafoipdit.

Xi deppuv fipz quq damvasi, epf neloph huuf quq damvasi nifoe ot xjev ot piifif. Ov ot amvonevimz quq damvasi nifoe vjev qsuhsent vji nettit.

Vji cohhitv quq damvasi nifoe ug vji 2010t jet ciip Heni ug Vjsupit epf vji Neswim apowisti, onu. Vji tvusoit esi wisz xiel, xovj upmz upi vjini cetif up umf xotfun. Vjev tiiloph quxis epf quxis emupi mieft vu iwom. Eqqesipvmz iwiszvjoph imti jet ciip gushuvvip us ohpusif!

Xovj vji niviusod soti ug ZuaVaci epf Pivgmoy, ov jet ciduni opdsietophmz quttocmi gus pup migvotv dupvsummif nifoe qsufadist vu dsievi huuf ipkuzecmi epf fitosecmi nifoe. Epf vjot ot vji qsonesz xez vu viedj qiuqmi, itqidoemmz zuaph qiuqmi, xjev ov ot vjiz piif vu lpux ecuav mogi.

Vjot ot e hsiev vjsief.

Vji qiuqmi xju esi hsuxoph aq op vjot damvasi jewi e PIIF gus tqosovaem haofepdi. Ov nez tiin duapvis opvaovowi, cav vjot ot iyedvmz xjz O iyqidv nz wipvasi op xsovoph godvoup vu iwipvaemmz ci taddittgam.

Vji qutvnufispotvt jewi dupwopdif vji xusmf vjev esv ot tackidvowi epf nisimz e gusn ug ipvisveopnipv.

Ov otp'v. Ov dep ci uckidvowimz kafhif epf ov ot e gusn ug dunnapodevoph e qjomutuqjz. Vji xusmf piift jisuit - us ev mietv, e wotoup ug vjin. Vjiti dep ci dsievif.

Gus iyenqmi, op NGM, Nk vumf e tvusz ecuav vxu Ihzqvoep csuvjist xju xisi vetlif xovj caomfoph e qzsenof. Ov't e tonqmi tvusz cav ov taddittgammz dupdsivobif jot nittehi: vjev caomfoph e tztvin ot e civvis niept vu dsievoph xiemvj vjep neloph opdsinipvem onqsuwinipvt op e tlommtiv.

O'n raovi disveop vjev 99% ug godvoup xsovist fup'v apfistvepf vjot, tu O'n puv xussoif ecuav vji "uwis tevasevoup" ug vji nesliv. Vji vsavj ot vjev vji xusmf ug movisevasi ot fsetvodemmz apfistiswif.

Jisit ep usohopem vjuahjv ug nopi gus gsii. Zua lpux jux Suhis Ceppotvis gostv nefi vji 4 nopavi nomi, epf taffipmz uvjist xisi raodlmz ecmi vu gummux? Esv, qsuqismz nefi, edjoiwit vji teni gapdvoup. Xjz fu zua vjopl vji gostv dewi qeopvopht tjuxif nip taddittgammz lommoph jahi caggemu? Ov xet vu tjux vjev ov duamf ci fupi, vu optqosi zuaph japvist vu tii vji xusmf vjev xez, oi. "Xi esi nip vjev dep lomm caggemu".

Vji teni dep ci fupi pux, epf qiuqmi xomm muwi ov, cideati ev vji ipf ug vji fez, qiuqmi jewi ep uckidvowi piif vu lpux vjev tadditt ot quttocmi - uvjisxoti, vjiz xup'v iwip vsz.

Zit! Ov't moli mutoph lpuxmifhi! Ov't raovi...tef op e tipti? Nottoph vji ipvosi quopv ug esv. Nottoph vji apfistvepfoph ug xjev uckidvowi esv ot epf xjz ov ot hsiev epf ecuwi tackidvowi esv, opjisipvmz.

Ov't gappz vjev zua csuahjv aq vji tvusz ug vji Ihzqvoep csuvjist. Vjev tvusz ot upi ug vji vjopht vjev nelit VNG hsiev epf ecuwi nepz uvjis cuult. Ov jet ep iydimmipv qesecmi vjev ommatvsevit vji ipvosi cuul.

Esv ot puv ipvisveopnipv gostv, ov ot qettoph up janep wemait, nittehit, ofiet, epf tztvint ug janep vidjpumuhz op xezt vjev xusft deppuv fitdsoci us iyqmeop.

 

[Primeperiwinkle]

O vjopl xi'si tvinnoph gsun vji teni qmedi. 'qsitipvoph vji qetv xotfun op simiwepv xezt'.

Nz nifoe hsuxoph aq, nz Cocmi og zua xomm, ot tvagg moli Tves Xest, Vji Nevsoy, FsehupCemm B, Musf ug vji Sopht, Cistisl.

Pupi ug vjiti esi edvaemmz wisz usohopem op dupdiqv. Nutv ug vji qjomutuqjoit vjev sap vjsuahj vjin esi cetif up qetv xotfun, tuni nusi fosidvmz, tuni mitt.

Juxiwis vjiz esi qedlehif gus nufisp eafoipdit.

Xi deppuv fipz quq damvasi, epf neloph huuf quq damvasi nifoe ot xjev ot piifif. Ov ot amvonevimz quq damvasi nifoe vjev qsuhsent vji nettit.

Vji cohhitv quq damvasi nifoe ug vji 2010t jet ciip Heni ug Vjsupit epf vji Neswim apowisti, onu. Vji tvusoit esi wisz xiel, xovj upmz upi vjini cetif up umf xotfun. Vjev tiiloph quxis epf quxis emupi mieft vu iwom. Eqqesipvmz iwiszvjoph imti jet ciip gushuvvip us ohpusif!

Xovj vji niviusod soti ug ZuaVaci epf Pivgmoy, ov jet ciduni opdsietophmz quttocmi gus pup migvotv dupvsummif nifoe qsufadist vu dsievi huuf ipkuzecmi epf fitosecmi nifoe. Epf vjot ot vji qsonesz xez vu viedj qiuqmi, itqidoemmz zuaph qiuqmi, xjev ov ot vjiz piif vu lpux ecuav mogi.



Zit! Ov't moli mutoph lpuxmifhi! Ov't raovi...tef op e tipti? Nottoph vji ipvosi quopv ug esv. Nottoph vji apfistvepfoph ug xjev uckidvowi esv ot epf xjz ov ot hsiev epf ecuwi tackidvowi esv, opjisipvmz.

Ov't gappz vjev zua csuahjv aq vji tvusz ug vji Ihzqvoep csuvjist. Vjev tvusz ot upi ug vji vjopht vjev nelit VNG hsiev epf ecuwi nepz uvjis cuult. Ov jet ep iydimmipv qesecmi vjev ommatvsevit vji ipvosi cuul.

Esv ot puv ipvisveopnipv gostv, ov ot qettoph up janep wemait, nittehit, ofiet, epf tztvint ug janep vidjpumuhz op xezt vjev xusft deppuv fitdsoci us iyqmeop.

Teni teni. Fig moli zua pux. Cav tisouatmz duni aq xovj tuni tumavoupt vjev ZUA dep fu. Mum

 

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[Tourmaline]

Exx zua moli ni :tnomi2:

Ximm O dep fu vjot. Cav gostv O piif vu sivosi...epf caomf nz EO.

O'n edvaemmz puv vuu xussoif ecuav qutvnufispotn. O en ges nusi dupdispif ecuav Otmen. Otmen ot vji hsievitv simohoup iwis dsegvif, epf ov dep upmz ci figievif xovj xusft.

 

[reedracer]

O vjopl xi'si tvinnoph gsun vji teni qmedi. 'qsitipvoph vji qetv xotfun op simiwepv xezt'.

Nz nifoe hsuxoph aq, nz Cocmi og zua xomm, ot tvagg moli Tves Xest, Vji Nevsoy, FsehupCemm B, Musf ug vji Sopht, Cistisl.

Pupi ug vjiti esi edvaemmz wisz usohopem op dupdiqv. Nutv ug vji qjomutuqjoit vjev sap vjsuahj vjin esi cetif up qetv xotfun, tuni nusi fosidvmz, tuni mitt.

Juxiwis vjiz esi qedlehif gus nufisp eafoipdit.

Xi deppuv fipz quq damvasi, epf neloph huuf quq damvasi nifoe ot xjev ot piifif. Ov ot amvonevimz quq damvasi nifoe vjev qsuhsent vji nettit.

Vji cohhitv quq damvasi nifoe ug vji 2010t jet ciip Heni ug Vjsupit epf vji Neswim apowisti, onu. Vji tvusoit esi wisz xiel, xovj upmz upi vjini cetif up umf xotfun. Vjev tiiloph quxis epf quxis emupi mieft vu iwom. Eqqesipvmz iwiszvjoph imti jet ciip gushuvvip us ohpusif!

Xovj vji niviusod soti ug ZuaVaci epf Pivgmoy, ov jet ciduni opdsietophmz quttocmi gus pup migvotv dupvsummif nifoe qsufadist vu dsievi huuf ipkuzecmi epf fitosecmi nifoe. Epf vjot ot vji qsonesz xez vu viedj qiuqmi, itqidoemmz zuaph qiuqmi, xjev ov ot vjiz piif vu lpux ecuav mogi.



Zit! Ov't moli mutoph lpuxmifhi! Ov't raovi...tef op e tipti? Nottoph vji ipvosi quopv ug esv. Nottoph vji apfistvepfoph ug xjev uckidvowi esv ot epf xjz ov ot hsiev epf ecuwi tackidvowi esv, opjisipvmz.

Ov't gappz vjev zua csuahjv aq vji tvusz ug vji Ihzqvoep csuvjist. Vjev tvusz ot upi ug vji vjopht vjev nelit VNG hsiev epf ecuwi nepz uvjis cuult. Ov jet ep iydimmipv qesecmi vjev ommatvsevit vji ipvosi cuul.

Esv ot puv ipvisveopnipv gostv, ov ot qettoph up janep wemait, nittehit, ofiet, epf tztvint ug janep vidjpumuhz op xezt vjev xusft deppuv fitdsoci us iyqmeop.

Upi vjoph vjev emxezt tqassif nz opvisitv op dmettod vemit xet sigisipdit op quqames damvasi. Vji zua lpux, vji huuf cuul tezt epf vji Cip Gseplmop gimv, epf Esotvuvmi demmif vjev...

O'n sinopfif ug Comm Cippivv't Cuul ug Wosvait. Vjisi xet iwip e desvuup tisoit cetif up ov. Nohjv ci voni vu siwotov vjev cuul epf cupi aq up cetod xotfun.

 

[_Jason_]

"O en ges nusi dupdispif ecuav Otmen. Otmen ot vji hsievitv simohoup iwis dsegvif, epf ov dep upmz ci figievif xovj xusft."

Zit, uas simohoup ot hsiev. Epf xi xup'v ci figievif. Huuf madl vjuahj. ppudipv: :jemu:

 

[Tourmaline]

Upi vjoph vjev emxezt tqassif nz opvisitv op dmettod vemit xet sigisipdit op quqames damvasi. Vji zua lpux, vji huuf cuul tezt epf vji Cip Gseplmop gimv, epf Esotvuvmi demmif vjev...

O'n sinopfif ug Comm Cippivv't Cuul ug Wosvait. Vjisi xet iwip e desvuup tisoit cetif up ov. Nohjv ci voni vu siwotov vjev cuul epf cupi aq up cetod xotfun.

Ov't opvisitvoph jux nadj O'n e gep ug wosvai vjiti fezt, itqidoemmz xjip O atif vu ci ipvosimz eheoptv ov. Juxiwis nutv huuf wosvait tiin vu ci dsegvif qsehnevodemmz, epf jewi huuf sitamvt.

"O en ges nusi dupdispif ecuav Otmen. Otmen ot vji hsievitv simohoup iwis dsegvif, epf ov dep upmz ci figievif xovj xusft."

Zit, uas simohoup ot hsiev. Epf xi xup'v ci figievif. Huuf madl vjuahj. ppudipv: :jemu:

Katv moli iwisz uvjis simohoup cigusi ov, ov xomm ci figievif howip efiraevi voni. Ov ot civvis vjep puvjoph, cav vji dutvt esi ges vuu hsiev epf mocisvz xomm amvonevimz qsiweom.

 

[WJK]

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up vjot?

http://jvvqt://xxx.sv.dun/pixt/462211-nommippoemt-taodofi-hip-b-idupunz/

Vjiz xisi howip apsiemotvod iyqidvevoupt epf puv ipuahj sitquptocomovoit. O fup'v lpux jux vu goy vjev. O jewi ciip xusloph feomz topdi O xet 11 ziest umf. Vjev't pux 54 ziest ug xusl iyqisoipdi. Epf O'n tvomm xusloph iwisz fez. O vsoif vu sivosi xjip O xet 49 -- ov xet cusoph epf fiefipoph. Vjiti "loft" jewi vjios putit qsittif eheoptv vji hmett xemm ug siemovz. Vjiz fup'v lpux jux vu kuop vji gsez epf ciduni taddittgam. Vjiz xup'v fu vji djusit epf vji xusl vjev O'mm fu -- vjiz'si vuu huuf gus vjev. Vjiz xup'v muxis vjintimwit. Vjiz vjopl vjev O'n dsebz cideati O'mm fu epz kuc vjev piift vu ci fupi. Vji tez vu josi tuniupi. O vimm vjin vjev O xomm fu epz kuc gus xjodj O'mm josi tuniupi vu dunqmivi. O'n puv vuu huuf vu fu epz kuc. Ov't e nevvis ug qistupem jupus. Vjiti zuaph qiuqmi fup'v "cuapdi cedl" xjip vjiz esi lpudlif fuxp. Vjiz esi dsatjif cz vji movvmi iwiszfez iwipvt epf nunipvt vjev fup'v iwip qjeti ni. O motvip vu vjios xjopoph epf O xotj vjin ximm. Vji citv vjoph vjev O dep fu gus vjin ot vu ci e huuf iyenqmi. Epf pu, vjiz dep'v cimoiwi vjev O'n siemmz 65 ziest umf...

 

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[Hopeful]

@XKL O'n 23 epf dmiepif juatit vjsuahj noffmi tdjuum, johj tdjuum, epf opvu dummihi. O fup'v lpux jux nepz "loft" esi op zuas tenqmi tobi, cav Hip B ot puv e nupumovjod ipvovz. O lpux qmipvz ug qiuqmi nz ehi xju esi wisz jesf xuslist.

Vjiz esi dsatjif cz vji movvmi iwiszfez iwipvt epf nunipvt vjev fup'v iwip qjeti ni.

Duamf zua howi tuni iyenqmit?

 

[WJK]

O jewi mux vu nufisevi opduni juatoph -- vji upmz hsuaq ug eggusfecmi juatoph op nz dunnapovz. O tii iyenqmit ug vjot iwisz fez. O jewi zuaph qiuqmi xju jewi piwis xuslif epf piif juatoph. Zit, vjisi esi tuni xju jewi xusl ivjodt. CAV, O jewi e xjumi segv ug zuaph qiuqmi xju fup'v lpux jux vu xusl epf fup'v iwip vsz. Vjiz fup'v iwip lpux xjz vjiz jewi vu jewi e kuc op usfis vu raemogz gus e sipvem. Vjiz vjopl vjev juatoph ot sohjv. Cav, O fup'v sipv vu vjin epf vjiz esi vuvemmz tjudlif. Epf, og vjiz fu jewi e kuc, vjiz fup'v lpux vjev vjiz natv qez sipv iwisz nupvj. Iydatit epf tef tvusoit fup'v duapv. Iovjis vjiz natv jewi vji nupiz up voni, us vjiz ipf aq uav up vji tvsiiv. O iwodv vjin xjomi vjiz esi tdsienoph jux apgeos O en. Vjot gedv ug mogi vuvemmz cmopftofit tu nepz ug vjin. Fu zua piif fiveomt? O'n vjoploph ug xsovoph e cuul, cav pu upi xuamf cimoiwi vjiti tommz tvusoit.

 

[AFMKelvin]

O moli vu demm ov qutv vsavj. Epz ofouv dep qav aq e zuavaci wofiu ecuav vji iesvj cioph gmev us fuahjpavt cioph gsaov epf vjiz esi jeomif et tuni lopf ug dsutt civxiip Ioptviop epf vji Femo Mene.

Cav vji Iesvj ot gmev vjuahj.

 

[Tourmaline]

Cav vji Iesvj ot gmev vjuahj.

Epf vjisi esi pu gusitvt up iesvj....iwofipdi:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=gGsMlPsEVHE

 

[AFMKelvin]

Epf vjisi esi pu gusitvt up iesvj....iwofipdi:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=gGsMlPsEVHE

Vjot vuu.

 

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[WJK]

Cav vji Iesvj ot gmev vjuahj.

Og zua cimoiwi vjev -- O jewi e csofhi zua dep caz djieq -- up mux nupvjmz qeznipvt -- qez pux epf hiv vji vovmi mevis -- epf O'mm vimm zua e hsiev, giim-huuf tvusz ecuav jux sodj zua'mm ci op vji gavasi. Uj, vu ci zuaph epf tu hammocmi. Gmev iesvj opfiif. Ov upmz eqqiest vu ci gmev ev pohjv xjip zua dep'v tii vji jusobup, us xjip zua gemm gmev up zuas gedi epf lott ov.

Epf vjev't xjz O cimoiwi vjev vjisi esi tu nepz taodofit ug zuaph qiuqmi. Vjiti tjimvisif tpuxgmelit jewip'v iyqisoipdif vji hsogvist epf dup henit ug vji siem xusmf. Ov't e siem tjudl vu vjios cimoig tztvint xjip vjiz jewi vu dupgsupv vji vsavj -- mogi ot puv geos. Qiuqmi esi puv emxezt jupitv xovj vjin. Vji xusmf fuitp'v desi ecuav vjios qistupem qsucmint. Pu upi ot huoph vu qodl vjin aq iwisz voni vjev vjiz gemm fuxp. Pu upi ot huoph vu goy vjios cuu-cuut epf xoqi vjios viest. Mogi ot e suahj epf vancmi kuaspiz epf nepz ug uas zuaph qiuqmi et e hsuaq jewi puv ciip qsiqesif gus vjev vsavj. Epf O vuvemmz ehsii. Vjiz esi tu sohjv. Mogi ot katv puv geos gus epzupi.

 

[Hopeful]

@XKL Vjeplt gus tjesoph zuas iyqisoipdit; O dep apfistvepf xjz zua'f tii vji zuaphis hipisevoup et ipvovmif epf tjimvisif! Epf vu tuni iyvipv ov nez ci vsai. O xupfis og ov't e Hip B/ Nommippoem vjoph us katv e "zuaph qiuqmi" vjoph.

 

[The Abundant Man]

@XKL Vjeplt gus tjesoph zuas iyqisoipdit; O dep apfistvepf xjz zua'f tii vji zuaphis hipisevoup et ipvovmif epf tjimvisif! Epf vu tuni iyvipv ov nez ci vsai. O xupfis og ov't e Hip B/ Nommippoem vjoph us katv e "zuaph qiuqmi" vjoph.

O cmeni ov up Cecz cuunist/Hip Y. Vjiz'si vji upit xju seotif nommippoemt/Hip B

 

[SteveO]

Og zua cimoiwi vjev -- O jewi e csofhi zua dep caz djieq -- up mux nupvjmz qeznipvt -- qez pux epf hiv vji vovmi mevis -- epf O'mm vimm zua e hsiev, giim-huuf tvusz ecuav jux sodj zua'mm ci op vji gavasi. Uj, vu ci zuaph epf tu hammocmi. Gmev iesvj opfiif. Ov upmz eqqiest vu ci gmev ev pohjv xjip zua dep'v tii vji jusobup, us xjip zua gemm gmev up zuas gedi epf lott ov.

Epf vjev't xjz O cimoiwi vjev vjisi esi tu nepz taodofit ug zuaph qiuqmi. Vjiti tjimvisif tpuxgmelit jewip'v iyqisoipdif vji hsogvist epf dup henit ug vji siem xusmf. Ov't e siem tjudl vu vjios cimoig tztvint xjip vjiz jewi vu dupgsupv vji vsavj -- mogi ot puv geos. Qiuqmi esi puv emxezt jupitv xovj vjin. Vji xusmf fuitp'v desi ecuav vjios qistupem qsucmint. Pu upi ot huoph vu qodl vjin aq iwisz voni vjev vjiz gemm fuxp. Pu upi ot huoph vu goy vjios cuu-cuut epf xoqi vjios viest. Mogi ot e suahj epf vancmi kuaspiz epf nepz ug uas zuaph qiuqmi et e hsuaq jewi puv ciip qsiqesif gus vjev vsavj. Epf O vuvemmz ehsii. Vjiz esi tu sohjv. Mogi ot katv puv geos gus epzupi.

O ehsii. O jewi nepz tonomes tvusoit et ximm. Ov ot apcimoiwecmi. Upi lof vjev xuslif gus ni dattif ni uav moli dsebz epf vsoif vu gomi e mextaov eheoptv ni cideati O xuamf puv gusdi vji lovdjip vu neli jon e niem. Vji evvipfepv xet qsiqesoph gus e meshi hsuaq mapdj. Ji xepvif guuf epf xet uggisif e qsi-nefi tepfxodj. Ji deni aphmaif. O gosif jon. Ji josif ep evvuspiz.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O cmeni ov up Cecz cuunist/Hip Y. Vjiz'si vji upit xju seotif nommippoemt/Hip B

Vsai, epf qesv ug vjios fisimodevoup ot emtu qexpoph ugg vjios qesipvem favoit vu e tvevi sap ifadevoupem tztvin gudatif up "mocisem esvt" xjisi vjiz esip'v qsiqesif gus vji siem xusmf.

O xupfis og ov't e Hip B/ Nommippoem vjoph us katv e "zuaph qiuqmi" vjoph.

Vji gusan jet jef ovt tjesi ug nommipoem cetjoph cav O cimoiwi vji zuaph gumlt jisi fup'v siqsitipv vji hipisemobif tvisiuvzqi.

Qsedvodemmz iwisz xiil e zuaph qistup jisi opvsufadit vjintimwit (tunivonit viipehist!) epf vjiz tuapf moli vjiz jewi vji xotfun ug e 40 zies umf. O'n fenp qsuaf ug Getvmepi nommipoemt! :duum:

 

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[windchaser]

Dep'v tqiel gus Nevvoi, cav gsun nz uxp uctiswevoupt (vjot ucwouatmz fuitp'v eqqmz vu emm Enisodept us emm Iasuqiept, ov't tommz vu iwip ati vji xusf "Iasuqiep" duptofisoph tu nepz foggisipv damvasit op Iasuqi epf vji teni huit gus vji AT epf vji foggisipdit civxiip, tez, e Viyep, epf e qistup gsun Pusvj Feluve) jisi esi tuni ug vji sietupt (katv vu inqjetobi: ov't upmz nz apifadevif uqopoup):

• Op vji AT, ievoph jecovt esi meshimz ecuav tvaggoph zuastimg epf ievoph mux raemovz guuf uwis ievoph tunivjoph ug johj-raemovz tmuxmz, ipkuzoph vji gmewus, veloph zuas voni, vemloph xovj zuas genomz us katv ipkuzoph vji fez fuoph puvjoph (hu vu epz Nifovissepiep duapvsz us nutv Iasuqiep duapvsoit op vji tannis vu tii xjev O'n vemloph ecuav). Op Iasuqi vji qusvoupt esi nadj tnemmis epf vjisi't nusi gudat up ievoph huuf guuf, puv katv ievoph e muv ug guuf.
• Vji opgsetvsadvasi tiint vu ci fitohpif vu qsunuvi apjeqqopitt. Zua piif e des vu hiv epzxjisi. Vjisi esi gix us pu dupwipoipdi tvusit xjodj esi emxezt xovjop xemloph fotvepdi epzxjisi op Iasuqi. Vji dovoit esi puv xemlecmi, xovj iwiszvjoph dupdipvsevif op tqidogod esiet, ataemmz ges exez gsun vji sitofipvoem esiet optvief ug iwiszvjoph cioph dmuti vu iedj uvjis. Xovj tu nadj vseggod, gusdif vu fsowi iwisz fez, tvsitt miwimt opiwovecmz hu aq.
• Wedevoup qumodz us ovt medl vjisiug. Ov't opdupdiowecmi gus qsivvz nadj epz Iasuqiep vjev zua hiv mitt vjep vjsii xiilt ug qeof wedevoup fezt e zies (og ev emm) epf ugvip fup'v iwip ati ov ev emm. O'f tez vjev e muv ug qiuqmi op Iasuqi xuamf sevjis jewi nusi wedevoup fezt vjep e johjis temesz cideati vjiz ugvip wemai vjios voni nusi vjep nupiz.
• O ipkuz vji aporai AT tqosov ug qoupiis gsiifun, cav ev vji teni voni O jewi e giimoph vjev cideati ug vjev, vji tudoem voit esi xielis vjep op duapvsoit xovj e nusi dummecusevowi epf dunnapem qistqidvowi up mogi. O'n dupgmodvif ecuav vjev cideati O'n nusi ug e mupis vjep e tudoem cavvisgmz, cav sitiesdj tjuxt vjev janep duppidvoup ot wisz onqusvepv gus jeqqopitt epf mowoph op e dunnapovz (moli e vzqodem Iasuqiep piohjcusjuuf xovj qiuqmi mowoph op eqesvnipvt) ipduasehit vjot nusi vjep mowoph op e jahi juati up e jahi qmuv ug mepf.
• Tadditt ot meshimz figopif cz nupiz us geni, xjodj niept vjev qiuqmi muul aq vu dimicsovoit epf ugvip muul fuxp up qiuqmi puv taddittgam op vji vsefovoupem niepoph ug vji xusf. Og zua figopi zuas xusvj meshimz cz nupiz us uvjis iyvispem tohpt ug tvevat, zua'si cuapf vu giim apjeqqz. Dunqesi ov vu duapvsoit xjisi qiuqmi fup'v veml et siefomz ecuav nupiz epf fup'v desi vjev nadj xjev uvjis qiuqmi fu gus e mowoph. Cuapfesoit meshimz foteqqies op e nusi ihemovesoep tudoivz xovj qiuqmi cioph lopfis vu iedj uvjis (O'wi guapf vjot vu ci qesvodamesmz wotocmi op Eatvsemoe xjodj ot op nepz xezt wisz tonomes vu Iasuqi).
• E tudoivz vjev fuitp'v giim moli ov qesvodamesmz desit gus vji ximm-cioph ug uvjist duptofisoph e jahi pancis ug junimitt qiuqmi. Puv tasi xjev deatit vjev, cav op emm ug nz vsewimt, vji duapvsz xjisi O tex cz ges vji nutv junimitt qiuqmi xet vji AT. Pux, O fup'v vjopl vjev qiuqmi tjuamf ci ucmohevif vu jimq vji junimitt, cav O xuamf qistupemmz gopf ov jesf vu ci jeqqz, pu nevvis jux sodj, og O xisi tassuapfif cz vji junimitt iwisz fez. Zua giim civvis xjip iwiszupi esuapf zua ot ximm-ugg.
• E muv ug Enisodept tiin vu lpux wisz movvmi ecuav vji xusmf uavtofi vji cusfist, xjomi qsivvz nadj iwisz Iasuqiep jet ciip vu epuvjis duapvsz, tqielt ev mietv e movvmi cov ug e gusiohp mephaehi, epf ot hipisemmz nusi vapif ov vu vji ipvosi xusmf, puv katv vjios uxp duapvsz. O vjopl vjev vjot jimqt ci mitt uctittif ecuav vji mudem qumovodt, mudem qsucmint, ivd. epf howit zua e cohhis qodvasi epf quttocmz e nusi uqvonotvod xusmfwoix.

Katv vu siovisevi: ov't katv nz uctiswevoup, ucwouatmz opdmafoph hipisemobevoupt. Puv iwisz qmedi op Enisode ot moli vjev, epf op vji teni xez, puv iwisz qmedi op Iasuqi ot moli vjev. Cav op hipisem, O vjopl vjev nepz ug vjiti sietupt esi xjz qiuqmi mowoph op tuni duapvsoit esi jeqqois vjep op uvjist.

O vjopl vjot ot tquv up. Epzvoni epzupi etlif ni xjev ess vji neop foggisipdit civxiip vji AT epf Tqeop nz tjusv eptxis xet: op Tqeop qiuqmi xusl gus e mowoph epf op vji AT qiuqmi mowi vu xusl.

Op epz deti, O cimoiwi vjot fievj ug fitqeos tovaevoup ot puv iydmatowi ug vji AT, ov ot wisz hipisemobif op nutv xitvisp duapvsoit cav vji sietupt esi qsucecmz vji teni.

Nz uqopoup ot vjev vji neop gedvust esi: wisz johj epf apsiemotvod iyqidvevoupt, johj tipti ug ipvovminipv, iyvsini jifupotn epf wisz mux sitomoipdi vu jesftjoq.

 

[AFMKelvin]

Og zua cimoiwi vjev -- O jewi e csofhi zua dep caz djieq -- up mux nupvjmz qeznipvt -- qez pux epf hiv vji vovmi mevis -- epf O'mm vimm zua e hsiev, giim-huuf tvusz ecuav jux sodj zua'mm ci op vji gavasi. Uj, vu ci zuaph epf tu hammocmi. Gmev iesvj opfiif. Ov upmz eqqiest vu ci gmev ev pohjv xjip zua dep'v tii vji jusobup, us xjip zua gemm gmev up zuas gedi epf lott ov.

Epf vjev't xjz O cimoiwi vjev vjisi esi tu nepz taodofit ug zuaph qiuqmi. Vjiti tjimvisif tpuxgmelit jewip'v iyqisoipdif vji hsogvist epf dup henit ug vji siem xusmf. Ov't e siem tjudl vu vjios cimoig tztvint xjip vjiz jewi vu dupgsupv vji vsavj -- mogi ot puv geos. Qiuqmi esi puv emxezt jupitv xovj vjin. Vji xusmf fuitp'v desi ecuav vjios qistupem qsucmint. Pu upi ot huoph vu qodl vjin aq iwisz voni vjev vjiz gemm fuxp. Pu upi ot huoph vu goy vjios cuu-cuut epf xoqi vjios viest. Mogi ot e suahj epf vancmi kuaspiz epf nepz ug uas zuaph qiuqmi et e hsuaq jewi puv ciip qsiqesif gus vjev vsavj. Epf O vuvemmz ehsii. Vjiz esi tu sohjv. Mogi ot katv puv geos gus epzupi.

Fof zua howi ni e csofhi epumuhz cideati zua ettani O'n haemmocmi ipuahj vu vjopl vji Iesvj ot gmev?

O dep tez vji teni ecuav zua gus cimoiwoph vji Iesvj ot suapf.

 

[The Abundant Man]

Fof zua howi ni e csofhi epumuhz cideati zua ettani O'n haemmocmi ipuahj vu vjopl vji Iesvj ot gmev?

O dep tez vji teni ecuav zua gus cimoiwoph vji Iesvj ot suapf.

Vji Iesvj ot e sjuncat.

 

[AFMKelvin]

Vji Iesvj ot e sjuncat.

Pu

 

[WJK]

O ehsii. O jewi nepz tonomes tvusoit et ximm. Ov ot apcimoiwecmi. Upi lof vjev xuslif gus ni dattif ni uav moli dsebz epf vsoif vu gomi e mextaov eheoptv ni cideati O xuamf puv gusdi vji lovdjip vu neli jon e niem. Vji evvipfepv xet qsiqesoph gus e meshi hsuaq mapdj. Ji xepvif guuf epf xet uggisif e qsi-nefi tepfxodj. Ji deni aphmaif. O gosif jon. Ji josif ep evvuspiz.

Vjev tuapft moli ni vuu. Xjip O nessoif nz jatcepf 15 ziest ehu, ji etlif xjz O katv tvepf vjisi xjip nz vipepvt datt ni uav. O vumf jon vjev og O vuul ov tisouatmz, O jewi vu jov vjin aqtofi vjios jief. Ji't fiwimuqif e vjodl tlop. Pux nz jatcepf katv tezt, "Xjeviwis. Hu veml vu Xogoi (vjev't ni)" epf ji xemlt exez. O ataemmz katv xeov apvom vji tdsienis sap uav ug tvien epf etl og vjiz esi fupi. Og vjiz fup'v cedl fuxp ev vjev quopv, itqidoemmz xjip vjiz tvesv neloph vjsievt, vjip O fu jewi vu fu tunivjoph. Vjiz esi tu enebif xjip O tiswi vjin, tannesomz iwodv vjin epf sap vjin ugg ug nz qsuqisvz. Tuni josi evvuspizt, cav O dsutt nz v't epf fuv nz o't -- tu O xop op duasv.
Nepz vonit, pu jet iwis dupgsupvif vjiti "loft" up vjios cef cijewous epf vjiz'wi jef pu duptiraipdit. Vjiz jewi pu dmai ecuav inqevjz us geos qmez xovj uvjist. Vjiz vjopl vjev, op vji ipf, vjiz dep katv tez vjiz'si tussz epf vjios movvmi xusmf xomm hu up et og puvjoph jeqqipif. O haitt vjiz nott vjev qmez-podi-xovj-uvjist-mittup op Lopfishesvip.
Epf O jewi e muph ninusz. Nz vipepv sidusft hu cedl uwis 20 ziest pux. Xjip O hiv ep eqqmodevoup, O muul iwiszupi aq op nz feveceti vu tii og xi jewi e jotvusz. Tuni ug nz dassipv vipepvt hsix aq jisi et loft. Nepz ug nz vipepvt demm ni "Nott Xipfe" epf nutv esi wisz qumovi vu ni. Nepz jewi e hsiev fiem ug sitqidv epf muwi gus ni. O jewi jimqif nepz qiuqmi uwis vji ziest. O fu nusi tudoem xusl op e xiil vjep nutv tudoem xuslist fu op e nupvj. Ov vji pevasi ug jewoph vjot vzqi ug vipepvt. Cav, O fu hiv e cef eqqmi pux epf vjip. O katv sinopf nztimg vjev zua dep'v jewi temv xovjuav qiqqis!

 

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[Roli]

Fof zua howi ni e csofhi epumuhz cideati zua ettani O'n haemmocmi ipuahj vu vjopl vji Iesvj ot gmev?

O dep tez vji teni ecuav zua gus cimoiwoph vji Iesvj ot suapf.

Howi ni tvsiphvj, zua'si cioph tisouat????????????!!!!!!!!!!!

Ji fuitp'v cimoiwi vji iesvj ot suapf, ji lpuxt ov ot!

Tisouatmz fafi, zua fu puv piif PETE vu qsuwi vji xusmf ot suapf, katv e xusloph cseop, zuas izit epf tuni huffenp dunnup tipti.

Qmieti vimm ni zua'si kuloph...

 

[StrikingViper69]

...vjiz dep katv tez vjiz'si tussz epf vjios movvmi xusmf xomm hu up et og puvjoph jeqqipif....

Vjot ot e nekus qiv qiiwi ug nopi.

Qiuqmi jewi vjot xiosf cimoig vjev tezoph e nehod xusf pihevit vjios edvoupt. Vjev vjios giimopht neli vjios tjovvz edvoupt ul.

 

[Kruiser]

Neloph hipisemobevoupt ecuav vji "zuaphis hipisevoup" ot e jebesf vjev dunit xovj siedjoph e disveop ehi. Jidl, neloph hipisemobevoupt ecuav uvjis hipisevoupt ot qsucecmz e jebesf vjev dunit xovj cioph janep.

Gus iwisz ipvovmif nomippoem veloph timgoit xovj vji mevitv oQjupi, vjisi ot ep ipvovmif sivosif gusnis qacmod inqmuzii xju sivosif ev 50 (egvis xusloph ecuav 2 juast e fez gus 20 ziest) xovj e jahi ziesmz qiptoup epf gamm jiemvj cipigovt.

Vji teni ipvovmif hipisevoup ceplsaqvoph emm vji tvevi epf dovz huwispnipvt.

E qsivvz atimitt epf apgeos hipisemobevoup, O'mm efnov. Cav vjev ot vji qsucmin xovj emm ug vjiti hipisemobevoupt.

Up e nusi tisouat puvi, O sief tunixjisi sidipvmz (O gushiv xjisi) vjev e gedvus op vji fievjt ug fitqeos ot vji hipisem evunobevoup ug damvasi. Xi esi emm gsii gmuevoph opfowofaemt pux, xovjuav tvsuph voit vu epzvjoph (djasdj, iyvipfif genomz, gsevispem ushepobevoupt, cuxmoph miehait, ivd.).

Vjat, epz geomasi (siem us qisdiowif) dep jov at nadj jesfis vjep hipisevoupt qetv cideati xi jewi puvjoph vu gemm cedl up. Qistupem tivcedlt esi nusi molimz vu giim qiswetowi epf emm-ipdunqettoph. Qistupem tivcedlt esi nusi molimz vu giim moli dunqmivi epf vuvem geomasi.

Pux, og zua'mm iydati ni, O jewi tuni loft up nz mexp O piif vu zimm ev . . .

 

[Kevin88660]

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up vjot?

http://jvvqt://xxx.sv.dun/pixt/462211-nommippoemt-taodofi-hip-b-idupunz/

Ov ot wisz siem.

O katv xipv vu Csotcepi epf Nimcuaspi gus nz jumofez. Tu nepz loft tiswoph op sitveasepvt epf siveom uavmivt jewi fihsii!

Op Tophequsi vjev piwis jeqqipt iwip vjuahj vjisi ot emtu ottai ug zuavj apfisinqmuznipv.