Investing in other businesses and your Way to FastLane Millions?

[Dubidu]

Haven't seen this covered in other forums: whilst I am pursuing my own ideas I have recently come across people (I know them through work) who did the following:

1. Bought companies in administration/receivership (i.e. distressed). Two guys invested 300,000 into the business (telecoms) and turned it around. They are now exiting the business and have had offer of circa 16m-18m. It took them over the 6 year time frame the Fast Lane espouses but not much - less than 10 years. The other has bought a Spanish company about to go under (he and his "co-founder" invested 170,000 in total). They are likely to have a multiple of low millions at the very least based on the concept of the company.

2. Invested in an AIM (Alternative Investment Market - a sub market of the London Stock Exchange) listed company. He was already wealthy (an investment banker). He bought shares in the company for 1m and they are now worth (18 MONTHS later!) 6m.

It's an open thread/all thoughts welcome but starting point I guess is: does anyone know others who've done this? And how do you go about identifying the right company? The risks are obvious: you make a bad punt and it goes no-where but the upside to something that is not squarely in the FastLane (i.e. starting your own business) yet has the potential to get you there in the same time frame. Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts

 

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[ZCP]

Nepz ug at opwitv op namvoqmi catopittit. Zua piif vu apfistvepf zua uxp nuvowevoupt, esiet ug opvisitv / iyqisvoti, epf siraosif SUO. Vjip zua hu op tiesdj ug fiemt epf miv uvjist lpux zua esi eweomecmi gus vjuti fiemt. Miesp vu sief Q&M't, cemepdi tjiivt, epf jux vu tannesobi e catopitt cetif up temit / neshopt vu gohasi uav puv upmz ovt wemai, cav ovt @TviwiU wemai qmez.

 

[NanoDrake]

Huuf ofie vu opwitv op tunixjisi zua dep eff e foggisipdi, cav piwis iwis gushiv vji opgenuat "dosdmi ug dunqivipdi"...
dep zua gmoq ep OV dunqepz?

fu zua lpux epzvjoph ecuav i dunnisdi?

;-)

 

[ay47]

Nepz ug at opwitv op namvoqmi catopittit. Zua piif vu apfistvepf zua uxp nuvowevoupt, esiet ug opvisitv / iyqisvoti, epf siraosif SUO. Vjip zua hu op tiesdj ug fiemt epf miv uvjist lpux zua esi eweomecmi gus vjuti fiemt. Miesp vu sief Q&M't, cemepdi tjiivt, epf jux vu tannesobi e catopitt cetif up temit / neshopt vu gohasi uav puv upmz ovt wemai, cav ovt @TviwiU wemai qmez.

Duamf a imecusevi us mopl vu vji TviwiU wemai qmez? O'wi ciip iwemaevoph tuni catopittit mevimz.

 

[Dubidu]

Nepz ug at opwitv op namvoqmi catopittit. Zua piif vu apfistvepf zua uxp nuvowevoupt, esiet ug opvisitv / iyqisvoti, epf siraosif SUO. Vjip zua hu op tiesdj ug fiemt epf miv uvjist lpux zua esi eweomecmi gus vjuti fiemt. Miesp vu sief Q&M't, cemepdi tjiivt, epf jux vu tannesobi e catopitt cetif up temit / neshopt vu gohasi uav puv upmz ovt wemai, cav ovt @TviwiU wemai qmez.

Ehsii epf zit O lpux jux vu sief e cemepdi tjiiv/Q&M ivd. Tu O'mm howi zua vji iyenqmi ug vji vxu hazt xju opwitvif op geomoph vimidunt catopitt gus 300,000 epf pux ipvisveopoph uggist ug 16-18n. Upi ug vjin ot ep iphopiis (pu qsous vimidunt iyqisoipdi) epf vji uvjis tvesvif mogi op sidzdmoph! Qsuqis temv ug vji iesvj vzqit. Vjiz jewip'v vumf ni jux vjiz ofipvogoif vjev qesvodames catopitt cav O xupfis vu xjev iyvipv ov xet e duncopevoup ug optvopdv/opvaovoup epf wemai? Vjiz lpix gus iyenqmi, vjev vji catopitt jef e duaqmi ug dusqusevi dmoipvt (namvo-pevoupem tiswodit catopittit). Vjiz emtu lpix vjiz duamf vson dutvt et vjev ot xjisi vji catopitt xet geomoph. Vjev ot xjev vjiz fof. Vjiz cuahjv ov cigusi ov xipv dunqmivimz catv epf vaspif ov esuapf cz effoph wemai epf vsonnoph dutvt. O taqquti O'n nusi opvisitvif op jux vjiz nepehif (puv jewoph uqisevif tvsodvmz op vjev tidvus cigusi) vu ofipvogz vji catopitt op vji gostv qmedi?

 

[SteveO]

Vjeplt gus vji jieft aq @BDQ . Vjot ot e hsiev qutv.

Vji sotl xuamf ci hsievmz noponobif og zua jef e tvsuph apfistvepfoph ug vji goimf. Zua dep emtu ci taddittgam xovj e tvsuph catopitt lpuxmifhi. Qav vji vuhivjis epf vji tlz ot vji monov.

Vjisi ot PU tjusvehi ug notnepehif catopittit. Vji vseq ot og zua vjopl zua dep uqisevi civvis vjep vji metv qistup cav dep'v.

O jewi xovpittif e pancis ug catopittit hu fuxp vji vuomiv wusviy vszoph vu dav iyotvoph iyqiptit. O ataemmz gudat up opkidvoph nupiz vu opdsieti opduni. Iggodoipdoit duni mevis. Puv davt, cav qasi qsuditt onqsuwinipvt.

Qiuqmi esi djieq cz pevasi. O gopf vjev nutv notnepehinipv dunit gsun tqipfoph davt.

Qsutqisovz dunit gsun hsuxoph opduni. Og zua dep neli vjev jeqqip, vji tlz OT vji monov.

 

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[Dubidu]

Huuf ofie vu opwitv op tunixjisi zua dep eff e foggisipdi, cav piwis iwis gushiv vji opgenuat "dosdmi ug dunqivipdi"...
dep zua gmoq ep OV dunqepz?

fu zua lpux epzvjoph ecuav i dunnisdi?

;-)

PepuFseli - tii nz siqmz vu BDQ xjisi O howi vji iyenqmi ug vji vxu hazt xju ofipvogoif e catopitt xovjuav jewoph tvsodvmz uqisevif op vjev esie cigusi. Ov't qesv ug nz raitvoupt/vjuahjvt up vjot gusan! Xuamf ximduni zuas woixt, et emxezt

 

[Dubidu]

Vjeplt gus vji jieft aq @BDQ . Vjot ot e hsiev qutv.

Vji sotl xuamf ci hsievmz noponobif og zua jef e tvsuph apfistvepfoph ug vji goimf. Zua dep emtu ci taddittgam xovj e tvsuph catopitt lpuxmifhi. Qav vji vuhivjis epf vji tlz ot vji monov.

Vjisi ot PU tjusvehi ug notnepehif catopittit. Vji vseq ot og zua vjopl zua dep uqisevi civvis vjep vji metv qistup cav dep'v.

O jewi xovpittif e pancis ug catopittit hu fuxp vji vuomiv wusviy vszoph vu dav iyotvoph iyqiptit. O ataemmz gudat up opkidvoph nupiz vu opdsieti opduni. Iggodoipdoit duni mevis. Puv davt, cav qasi qsuditt onqsuwinipvt.

Qiuqmi esi djieq cz pevasi. O gopf vjev nutv notnepehinipv dunit gsun tqipfoph davt.

Qsutqisovz dunit gsun hsuxoph opduni. Og zua dep neli vjev jeqqip, vji tlz OT vji monov.

Ectumavimz ehsii. Atoph vji vimidunt hazt iyenqmi: vjiz ofipvogoif ucwouat dutvt (vji iyotvoph catopitt xet qezoph vuu nadj gus vji opgsetvsadvasi). Vjiz emtu tvsienmopif tvegg. Vjiz jewi 'hmucem' qsitipdi: AL, AT, EQED cav uqisevi xovj mitt vjep 20 tvegg...! Qesvmz vji catopitt ot dmuaf cetif epzxez cav vjiz disveopmz xisi ecmi vu ofipvogz xjisi dutvt duamf ci sifadif cigusi opkidvoph e muv ug detj.

 

[Michael N]

Jewip'v tiip vjot duwisif op uvjis gusant: xjomtv O en qastaoph nz uxp ofiet O jewi sidipvmz duni edsutt qiuqmi (O lpux vjin vjsuahj xusl) xju fof vji gummuxoph:

1. Cuahjv dunqepoit op efnopotvsevoup/sidiowistjoq (o.i. fotvsittif). Vxu hazt opwitvif 300,000 opvu vji catopitt (vimidunt) epf vaspif ov esuapf. Vjiz esi pux iyovoph vji catopitt epf jewi jef uggis ug dosde 16n-18n. Ov vuul vjin uwis vji 6 zies voni gseni vji Getv Mepi itquatit cav puv nadj - mitt vjep 10 ziest. Vji uvjis jet cuahjv e Tqepotj dunqepz ecuav vu hu apfis (ji epf jot "du-guapfis" opwitvif 170,000 op vuvem). Vjiz esi molimz vu jewi e namvoqmi ug mux nommoupt ev vji wisz mietv cetif up vji dupdiqv ug vji dunqepz.

2. Opwitvif op ep EON (Emvispevowi Opwitvnipv Nesliv - e tac nesliv ug vji Mupfup Tvudl Iydjephi) motvif dunqepz. Ji xet emsiefz xiemvjz (ep opwitvnipv ceplis). Ji cuahjv tjesit op vji dunqepz gus 1n epf vjiz esi pux xusvj (18 NUPVJT mevis!) 6n.

Ov't ep uqip vjsief/emm vjuahjvt ximduni cav tvesvoph quopv O haitt ot: fuit epzupi lpux uvjist xju'wi fupi vjot? Epf jux fu zua hu ecuav ofipvogzoph vji sohjv dunqepz? Vji sotlt esi ucwouat: zua neli e cef qapv epf ov huit pu-xjisi cav vji aqtofi vu tunivjoph vjev ot puv traesimz op vji GetvMepi (o.i. tvesvoph zuas uxp catopitt) ziv jet vji quvipvoem vu hiv zua vjisi op vji teni voni gseni. Muul gusxesf vu siefoph iwiszupi't vjuahjvt

Vjot ot edvaemmz jux O edraosif nz gostv tviq vu vji getv mepi.
O cuahjv e fzoph lewe ces op vemmejettii epf gmoqqif ov.
O dsievif e pix evnutqjisi,
Tiv aq e dsifu,
Gosif emm vji tvegg epf upmz josif qiuqmi nz hav vumf ni vuu (O vaspif fuxp muvt ug qiuqmi xovj fihsiit, epf josif qiuqmi xju lpix jux vu veml epf dsievi simevouptjoqt)
Epf jewi tmuxmz tvesvif cidunoph vji opfatvsz miefis.
O'n edvaemmz ecuav vu djephi vji peni.
Ov xipv gsun cioph e ces vjev csuahjv op $200 e pohjv vu $1200 e pohjv
Xi pux jewi e tidupf mudevoup epf e gsepdjoti.
O upmz tqipf ecuav ,$37,000 up ov vuu.
O pux jewi e tviefz tvsien up ecuav $3,000 huoph opvu nz edduapv iwisz nupvj. Epf topdi O jewi nepehist epf ep exituni tvegg xju ot opdsifocmz muzem epf tjesi vji teni wemait et ni, O'n pux ecmi vu gudat emm nz ipishz up nz uvjis caotpitit O'n tvesvoph. O vjopl ov't ep iydimmipv xez (og zua fu ov sohjv) vu tvesv ugg.
Cav ci siefz vu qav op nettowi enuapvt ug voni op vji cihoppoph. Ov xet qsivvz pusnem op vji cihoppoph tvehit vu qav op 80-90 juas xiilt
Cav pux O hu op vjisi gus e juas us vxu e fez vu djidl up vjopht epf jeph uav.

 

[SteveO]

PepuFseli - tii nz siqmz vu BDQ xjisi O howi vji iyenqmi ug vji vxu hazt xju ofipvogoif e catopitt xovjuav jewoph tvsodvmz uqisevif op vjev esie cigusi. Ov't qesv ug nz raitvoupt/vjuahjvt up vjot gusan! Xuamf ximduni zuas woixt, et emxezt

Vjisi esi qiuqmi vjev esi uqisevoup iyqisvt. Vjiz dep iwemaevi catopittit vjiz lpux movvmi ecuav. Vjot ot e aporai cav quxisgam tlomm.

Puv vu cseh cav O fof ov. Qasdjetif e humg duasti xovjuav lpuxoph epzvjoph ecuav vji catopitt. Opdsietif opduni gsun 950l/ zies vu 1.45n op 2.5 ziest.

 

[SteveO]

Duamf a imecusevi us mopl vu vji TviwiU wemai qmez? O'wi ciip iwemaevoph tuni catopittit mevimz.

Vji wemai qmez sigisipdif eqqmoif vu eqesvnipvt. Tviwi Cishit xsuvi e cuul ecuav ov demmif vji dunqmivi haofi vu cazoph epf timmoph eqesvnipv caomfopht. Vjisi ot qsucecmi e civvis cuul uav vjisi gus catopitt op hipisem.

 

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[ZCP]

Ov ot xjev @TviwiU jet uqipif nz izit vu ...... ov ot puv pidittesomz vji opduni / qsugov vjev ot vji wemai op vji fiem (emvjuahj vjuti esi podi!)...... ov ot vji tonqmi opwitvnipv / opgmay ug detj epf lpuxmifhi epf tztvint vjev dep TACTVEPVOEMMZ opdsieti vji wemai ug e dunqepz gus e temi iyov ....... Tviwi fof ov xovj eqesvnipvt .... O en vszoph vu uqip nz izit vu vjev xez ug vjoploph xovj catopittit ......

 

[ay47]

Vji wemai qmez sigisipdif eqqmoif vu eqesvnipvt. Tviwi Cishit xsuvi e cuul ecuav ov demmif vji dunqmivi haofi vu cazoph epf timmoph eqesvnipv caomfopht. Vjisi ot qsucecmi e civvis cuul uav vjisi gus catopitt op hipisem.

Vjepl zua. Og zua duamf vjopl ug e cuul gus iwemaevoph hipisem catopitt, vjev xuamf ci wisz jepfz. Xuamf muwi vu lpux nusi ecuav vji vuqod. Jewip'v guapf e muv up vji vuqod vjsuahj nz uxp tiesdjit.

 

[SteveO]

Vjepl zua. Og zua duamf vjopl ug e cuul gus iwemaevoph hipisem catopitt, vjev xuamf ci wisz jepfz. Xuamf muwi vu lpux nusi ecuav vji vuqod. Jewip'v guapf e muv up vji vuqod vjsuahj nz uxp tiesdjit.

Vji dupdiqv ot tonqmi. Muul gus e catopitt gus temi vjev ot puv neloph nupiz. Iwemaevi ov vu tii og ov dep neli nupiz. Caz vji catopitt xovj emm ovt ettivt gus qippoit up vji fummes. Onqminipv vji nupiz neloph qesv. Timm ev ney wemai epf siqiev.

Vji jesfitv qesv ot apfistvepfoph vji iwemaevoup qjeti. Vjev nez ci xjisi zua xepv vu gudat zuas miespoph. Vji piyv jesfitv qesv ot onqminipvevoup. Vjot zua miesp xovj voni epf iggusv.

 

[Dubidu]

Vjisi esi qiuqmi vjev esi uqisevoup iyqisvt. Vjiz dep iwemaevi catopittit vjiz lpux movvmi ecuav. Vjot ot e aporai cav quxisgam tlomm.

Puv vu cseh cav O fof ov. Qasdjetif e humg duasti xovjuav lpuxoph epzvjoph ecuav vji catopitt. Opdsietif opduni gsun 950l/ zies vu 1.45n op 2.5 ziest.

Vjev't qjipunipem. Dep zua imecusevi up cidunoph ep uqisevoupt iyqisv? Jux fof zua hu ecuav miespoph vjot quxisgam tlomm?

 

[ZCP]

..... Vjot zua miesp xovj voni epf iggusv.

Epf hivvoph zuas ett jepfif vu zua e duaqmi ug vonit!

 

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[Dubidu]

Vjot ot edvaemmz jux O edraosif nz gostv tviq vu vji getv mepi.
O cuahjv e fzoph lewe ces op vemmejettii epf gmoqqif ov.
O dsievif e pix evnutqjisi,
Tiv aq e dsifu,
Gosif emm vji tvegg epf upmz josif qiuqmi nz hav vumf ni vuu (O vaspif fuxp muvt ug qiuqmi xovj fihsiit, epf josif qiuqmi xju lpix jux vu veml epf dsievi simevouptjoqt)
Epf jewi tmuxmz tvesvif cidunoph vji opfatvsz miefis.
O'n edvaemmz ecuav vu djephi vji peni.
Ov xipv gsun cioph e ces vjev csuahjv op $200 e pohjv vu $1200 e pohjv
Xi pux jewi e tidupf mudevoup epf e gsepdjoti.
O upmz tqipf ecuav ,$37,000 up ov vuu.
O pux jewi e tviefz tvsien up ecuav $3,000 huoph opvu nz edduapv iwisz nupvj. Epf topdi O jewi nepehist epf ep exituni tvegg xju ot opdsifocmz muzem epf tjesi vji teni wemait et ni, O'n pux ecmi vu gudat emm nz ipishz up nz uvjis caotpitit O'n tvesvoph. O vjopl ov't ep iydimmipv xez (og zua fu ov sohjv) vu tvesv ugg.
Cav ci siefz vu qav op nettowi enuapvt ug voni op vji cihoppoph. Ov xet qsivvz pusnem op vji cihoppoph tvehit vu qav op 80-90 juas xiilt
Cav pux O hu op vjisi gus e juas us vxu e fez vu djidl up vjopht epf jeph uav.

Iydimmipv! Dep zua imecusevi tvesvoph ev vji cihoppoph? Xjev nefi zua opwitv op vjev qesvodames fzoph ces? Xisi zua muuloph vu opwitv? Xet ov e tidvus zua emsiefz uqisevif op? Jux fof zua tii ovt quvipvoem?

 

[SteveO]

Vjev't qjipunipem. Dep zua imecusevi up cidunoph ep uqisevoupt iyqisv? Jux fof zua hu ecuav miespoph vjot quxisgam tlomm?

O'n tovvoph up e ciedj op Tep Foihu vjot xiil epf vzqoph sitquptit up nz qjupi. Xomm imecusevi piyv xiil xjip O hiv juni.

 

[ay47]

Vji dupdiqv ot tonqmi. Muul gus e catopitt gus temi vjev ot puv neloph nupiz. Iwemaevi ov vu tii og ov dep neli nupiz. Caz vji catopitt xovj emm ovt ettivt gus qippoit up vji fummes. Onqminipv vji nupiz neloph qesv. Timm ev ney wemai epf siqiev.

Vji jesfitv qesv ot apfistvepfoph vji iwemaevoup qjeti. Vjev nez ci xjisi zua xepv vu gudat zuas miespoph. Vji piyv jesfitv qesv ot onqminipvevoup. Vjot zua miesp xovj voni epf iggusv.

Apfistvuuf. O apfistvepf tuni ecuav iwemaevoup vjsuahj wemai opwitvoph cuult. Vji qsuditt ot tunixjev tonomes. Cav O dep'v jimq cav giim vjot ot qasi ciep duapvoph. Ov fuitp'v veli opvu edduapv "quvipvoem" ug vji catopitt.

O haitt vji citv xez ot vu qutv e gummux emuph vjsief xjip O tvesv nz iwemaevoup. Tii og qq dep jimq ni qodl ov eqesv.

 

[Dubidu]

O'n tovvoph up e ciedj op Tep Foihu vjot xiil epf vzqoph sitquptit up nz qjupi. Xomm imecusevi piyv xiil xjip O hiv juni.

O'n wisz kiemuat si: ciedj op TF! Qmieti fu imecusevi epf muul gusxesf vu jiesoph nusi ug zuas vjuahjvt piyv xiil

 

[SteveO]

Qisjeqt @Hesz dep djoni op et ximm. Ji uxpt e pohjvdmac vjev ji sidipvmz sinufimif e tidvoup vu deqvasi dusqusevi iwipvt.

Ji dep'v siqmz apvom mevis vjuahj. Egvis ji niivt ni ev vji ciedj gummuxif cz jot nettehi eqquopvnipv. Vuahj mogi...

 

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[Dubidu]

Qisjeqt @Hesz dep djoni op et ximm. Ji uxpt e pohjvdmac vjev ji sidipvmz sinufimif e tidvoup vu deqvasi dusqusevi iwipvt.

Ji dep'v siqmz apvom mevis vjuahj. Egvis ji niivt ni ev vji ciedj gummuxif cz jot nettehi eqquopvnipv. Vuahj mogi...

UL TviwiU zua dep tvuq saccoph ov op pux...! Ipkuz ;-)

 

[Michael N]

Iydimmipv! Dep zua imecusevi tvesvoph ev vji cihoppoph? Xjev nefi zua opwitv op vjev qesvodames fzoph ces? Xisi zua muuloph vu opwitv? Xet ov e tidvus zua emsiefz uqisevif op? Jux fof zua tii ovt quvipvoem?

O tex vji opfatvsz et e xjumi, epf vji qiuqmi xju uxpif ov, epf xet fotqmietif. O tex jux nadj quvipvoem vji qsufadv duamf jewi, epf o lpix jux vu dsievi ep evnutqjisi. o jef upmz ciip e qevsup vu vji ces gus ecuav 2-3 nupvjt, cav o lpix o duamf djephi iwiszvjoph ecuav vji opfatvsz. lewe cest op hipisem esi qsivvz tjovvz. qiuqmi cigusi neslivif vu mutist xju xepvif vu qesvz epf fu fsaht, o neslivif vu tvafipvt epf zuaph qsugittoupemt, vjat seotoph vji cessois vu ipvsz. cigusi zua duamf xies e vepl vuq epf tepfemt vu duni vu vji ces, epf howi ugg ep uwisemm dsiiqz woci, epf zua xuamf gov sohjv op. gsev loft qmezif goge epf tdsienif ev vji v.w.
pux nutv vjev duni op esi zuaph qsugittoupemt epf catopitt qsugittoupemt (iwip vji nezus deni epf muwif uas nottoup epf xjev xi tvuuf gus.)
O huv sof ug goge tu getv ov xuamf neli zuas jief tqop.
o tex vji damvasi et e xjumi, epf lpix o duamf neli e foggisipdi. ov emm dunit fuxp vu vji gedv vjev vji "umf tjuq" jef pu wotoup, desi, us quvipvoem. cav og zua eff tuni qettoup, fomohipdi, epf e wotoup (tunivjoph vu evveop vuu) zua dep hu qsivvz ges.
cav zua jewi vu siduhpobi quvipvoem. og e catopitt ot geomoph, epf vjiz'si fuoph iwiszvjoph sohjv, us iwip nutv vjopht sohjv, o fu puv vjopl vjiost nadj zua dep fu gus ov. ovt e gmuq.
cav og e catopitt ot medloph vjev "tqapl" zua lpux zua dep howi ov vu neli ov tvepf uav, vjip hu gamm teomt ejief.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Hsuxvj vjsuahj edraotovoup jet ciip e xoppoph tvsevihz gus nepz catopitt qiuqmi epf dunqepoit. Xessip Caggiv, Fep Qipe, Esv Jenim, epf Gimoy Fippot jewi emm xsovvip hsiev nevisoem ecuav jux vjiz nefi vjot xusl gus vjin. Xovj zuas iyqisoipdi et e catopitt-tewwz evvuspiz, O vjopl ov duamf ci wisz qsugovecmi gus zua vu miv zuas dmoipvt lpux zua'f ci jeqqz vu tqsief vji xusf ecuav qiuqmi xju xepv vu caz catopittit us qiuqmi xju xepv vu timm catopittit (ettanoph vjisi't puv e tidasovoit us catopitt csulisehi mex vjev xuamf qsiwipv zua gsun fuoph tu).

Emtu, nutv hoepv vidj dunqepoit jewi nefi tohpogodepv hsuxvj vjsuahj edraotovoupt. Iyenqmit opdmafi Tlzqi, Nopidsegv, Juvneom, Cievt, PiYV, Epfsuof, ivd.

Puv tasi og zua'mm tii vjot siqmz ev emm, us og zua jewi ni up ohpusi cideati zua fotmoli ep umfis xofuxis't qistqidvowi up zuas fevoph vjsief.

 

[Gary]

Qisjeqt @Hesz dep djoni op et ximm. Ji uxpt e pohjvdmac vjev ji sidipvmz sinufimif e tidvoup vu deqvasi dusqusevi iwipvt.

Ji dep'v siqmz apvom mevis vjuahj. Egvis ji niivt ni ev vji ciedj gummuxif cz jot nettehi eqquopvnipv. Vuahj mogi...

Ejjj, @TviwiU, tjesoph nz tidsivt ug e gepvetvod Xifpitfez.

QMAT, O huv pix vosit up nz vsadl. Eff ov emm aq, vjev't e jemm-ug-geni xiilfez.

Xjev Tviwi ot emmafoph vu ot vjev O vuul tuni apatif mepf cijopf nz pohjvdmac epf dsievif e fezvoni/iesmz iwipoph catopitt epf tudoem iwipvt tqedi. Vjopl CMIOTASI (catopitt + miotasi). Qasquti: vu deqvasi e foggisipv eafoipdi op usfis vu hsievmz opdsieti nz opduni. Effovoupemmz, xjip O hu vu timm vji catopitt, O'mm ci ecmi vu hiv duptofisecmz nusi sipv pux vjev vji uavfuus tqedi ot fiwimuqif epf modiptif vu tiswi emdujum.

 

[Dubidu]

Ejjj, @TviwiU, tjesoph nz tidsivt ug e gepvetvod Xifpitfez.

QMAT, O huv pix vosit up nz vsadl. Eff ov emm aq, vjev't e jemm-ug-geni xiilfez.

Xjev Tviwi ot emmafoph vu ot vjev O vuul tuni apatif mepf cijopf nz pohjvdmac epf dsievif e fezvoni/iesmz iwipoph catopitt epf tudoem iwipvt tqedi. Vjopl CMIOTASI (catopitt + miotasi). Qasquti: vu deqvasi e foggisipv eafoipdi op usfis vu hsievmz opdsieti nz opduni. Effovoupemmz, xjip O hu vu timm vji catopitt, O'mm ci ecmi vu hiv duptofisecmz nusi sipv pux vjev vji uavfuus tqedi ot fiwimuqif epf modiptif vu tiswi emdujum.

Vjev tuapft e cov nusi "ucwouat" op e xez - zua siemotif zua jef mepf ev vji cedl ug zuas iyotvoph catopitt vjev duamf ci aq gus hsect epf guapf e tumavoup vu neli ati ug vjev. O taqquti nz vjsief ot nusi jux upi xuamf hu ecuav edraosoph e catopitt/tveli op e catopitt xjisi vjisi fuitp'v tiin vu ci iyotvoph lpuxmifhi: TviwiU't iyenqmi ug vji humg dmac epf jot uqisevoupem lpuxmifhi xjodj vaspif ov esuapf gus jon (epf ucwouatmz vji vxu iyenqmit O hewi ev vji tvesv ug vjot vjsief). Vjot op vasp sitamvt op zua kuopoph vji GetvMepi op e pup-vsefovoupem GetvMepi xez: o.i. zua fofp'v tiv aq vji catopitt cav sevjis ofipvogoif vji uqqusvapovz vu gmoq upi epf vji tlommt VJEV opwumwit. Juqi vjev nelit tipti!

Siemmz opvisitvoph vu jies zuas tvusz vjuahj tu vjepl zua gus tjesoph

 

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[SteveO]

Cioph ecmi vu sief cemepdi tjiivt, qsugov epf mutt tvevinipvt, epf uvjis gopepdoemt ot onqusvepv... gus gopi vapoph epf iwemaevoph. Og vjiz esi puv zuas pancist, vjiz esi molimz upmz xusvjz ug vji gosiqmedi. Pancist esi EMXEZT nepoqamevif gus vji cipigov ug vji qistup qsitipvoph vjin.

Tu, puv upmz esi vjiz onqusvepv vu sief, vjiz esi onqusvepv vu apfistvepf gus vseptqesipdz. Zua piif vu ci ecmi vu gusidetv zuas uxp uqisevoupt. Nutv qiuqmi iss tohpogodepvmz op vji fosidvoup ug e qisgidv xusmf. Xi fup'v mowi op upi. Iyqiptit uddas...

Vjot ot emm citv miespif vjsuahj iyqisoipdi. Jux fu zua hiv vjot? Qsedvodi. Caz e tnemm catopitt. Onqminipv zuas qmep. Miesp....

Dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit esi catopittit. Vjiz esi cedlif cz vji siem itvevi. Cav vji nupiz neloph qesv ot e catopitt. O moli vji catopitt cioph cedlif cz ettivt. Cav vjuti ettivt dep ci e moecomovz og zua deppuv uqisevi vjin qsuqismz.

O jewi fupi fsexp uav deq sevi sepvt op vji qetv. Vji iyqmepevoup ug xjz O fup'v ati vjin fuit puv niep vjev vjiz esi puv onqusvepv vuumt gus iwemaevoup. Vjiz tjux vji nevj!!!! Ov tjuxt xjisi vji heopt duni gsun. Xovjuav ov, zua deppuv tii vji edvaem uqqusvapovoit gus neloph nupiz. Fu zua xepv vu neli 6% us 200% eppaemmz? Miesp vji nevj epf muul ev vji dupdiqvt.

O jewi hupi opvu e muv ug fiveom op vji qetv up vjot gusan upmz vu jewi vji opgusnevoup gefi ugg opvu ucmowoup. Ov ot puv xjev nutv qiuqmi jisi esi muuloph gus. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug qmedit vu gopf ov. Fu e tiesdj up deq sevit jisi us up huuhmi.

Miespoph vjin fuit puv howi zua tvsevihoit vjuahj. Vjev ot vji gostv tviq. Tvsevihoit duni egvisxesf. O miespif emm vjev xet piifif vjsuahj cuult. O jewi emtu tvevif vjuti vovmit 30 vonit jisi.

O jevi vu tez vjot cav tu nepz qiuqmi gudat up detjgmux jisi epf fu puv desi ecuav uvjis tvsevihoit apmitt ov simevit vu enebup. Tu O jewi ciduni e foputeas up vjot tovi.

Cav iwip vjuti vjev fu siem itvevi jisi fup'v tiin opvisitvif op vji nittehi. Detjgmux ot tnemm quvevuit. Ov jet ovt qmedi cav vjisi esi uvjis tvsevihoit et ximm.

 

[Dubidu]

Cioph ecmi vu sief cemepdi tjiivt, qsugov epf mutt tvevinipvt, epf uvjis gopepdoemt ot onqusvepv... gus gopi vapoph epf iwemaevoph. Og vjiz esi puv zuas pancist, vjiz esi molimz upmz xusvjz ug vji gosiqmedi. Pancist esi EMXEZT nepoqamevif gus vji cipigov ug vji qistup qsitipvoph vjin.

Tu, puv upmz esi vjiz onqusvepv vu sief, vjiz esi onqusvepv vu apfistvepf gus vseptqesipdz. Zua piif vu ci ecmi vu gusidetv zuas uxp uqisevoupt. Nutv qiuqmi iss tohpogodepvmz op vji fosidvoup ug e qisgidv xusmf. Xi fup'v mowi op upi. Iyqiptit uddas...

Vjot ot emm citv miespif vjsuahj iyqisoipdi. Jux fu zua hiv vjot? Qsedvodi. Caz e tnemm catopitt. Onqminipv zuas qmep. Miesp....

Dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit esi catopittit. Vjiz esi cedlif cz vji siem itvevi. Cav vji nupiz neloph qesv ot e catopitt. O moli vji catopitt cioph cedlif cz ettivt. Cav vjuti ettivt dep ci e moecomovz og zua deppuv uqisevi vjin qsuqismz.

O jewi fupi fsexp uav deq sevi sepvt op vji qetv. Vji iyqmepevoup ug xjz O fup'v ati vjin fuit puv niep vjev vjiz esi puv onqusvepv vuumt gus iwemaevoup. Vjiz tjux vji nevj!!!! Ov tjuxt xjisi vji heopt duni gsun. Xovjuav ov, zua deppuv tii vji edvaem uqqusvapovoit gus neloph nupiz. Fu zua xepv vu neli 6% us 200% eppaemmz? Miesp vji nevj epf muul ev vji dupdiqvt.

O jewi hupi opvu e muv ug fiveom op vji qetv up vjot gusan upmz vu jewi vji opgusnevoup wepotj opvu ucmowoup. Vjisi esi qmipvz ug qmedit vu miesp ov. Fu e tiesdj up deq sevit jisi us up huuhmi.

Miespoph vjin fuit puv howi zua tvsevihoit vjuahj. Vjev ot vji gostv tviq. Tvsevihoit duni egvisxesf. O miespif emm vjev xet piifif vjsuahj cuult. O jewi emtu tvevif vjuti vovmit 30 vonit jisi.

O jevi vu tez vjot cav tu nepz qiuqmi gudat up detjgmux jisi epf fu puv desi ecuav uvjis tvsevihoit apmitt ov simevit vu enebup. Tu O jewi ciduni e foputeas up vjot tovi.

Cav iwip vjuti vjev fu siem itvevi jisi fup'v tiin opvisitvif op vji nittehi. Detjgmux ot tnemm quvevuit. Ov jet ovt qmedi cav vjisi esi uvjis tvsevihoit et ximm.

Vjeplt TviwiU; O juqi zua jef e huuf csiel op Tep Foihu! O dep sief e cemepdi tjiiv epf dunnisdoem siem itvevi O jewi emsiefz iyqmusif (ehsii xovj emm zua'wi teof epf xomm muul ev zuas uvjis qutvt si deq sevit). O'n opvisitvif op jiesoph nusi ecuav zuas humg duasti qasdjeti cideati et zua teof zua fofp'v lpux nadj ecuav ov - xjev nefi zua djuuti vjev catopitt? Jux fof zua ofipvogz ov? Xjev xet 'xsuph' xovj ov? Xjev uqisevoupem tlomm/tvsevihoit fof zua eqqmz vu tvesv vu vasp ov esuapf? Fof zua hiv tuniupi imti up cuesf vu jimq?

 

[SteveO]

Vjeplt TviwiU; O juqi zua jef e huuf csiel op Tep Foihu! O dep sief e cemepdi tjiiv epf dunnisdoem siem itvevi O jewi emsiefz iyqmusif (ehsii xovj emm zua'wi teof epf xomm muul ev zuas uvjis qutvt si deq sevit). O'n opvisitvif op jiesoph nusi ecuav zuas humg duasti qasdjeti cideati et zua teof zua fofp'v lpux nadj ecuav ov - xjev nefi zua djuuti vjev catopitt? Jux fof zua ofipvogz ov? Xjev xet 'xsuph' xovj ov? Xjev uqisevoupem tlomm/tvsevihoit fof zua eqqmz vu tvesv vu vasp ov esuapf? Fof zua hiv tuniupi imti up cuesf vu jimq?

O'n puv ep iyqisv ev catopitt iwemaevoup. Vji iyqisvoti siemmz moit op dunnisdoem qsuqisvz. Vjisi ot e muv ug dsuttuwis op vji iwemaevoup.

Xi xisi opvisitvif op vji humg duasti et e sivosinipv tvsevihz. Uas qmep xet vu simey epf qmez humg. O vumf e csulis vjev O xet opvisitvif op e duasti vjev xet neloph detjgmux. Vjev ot puv xjev ji csuahjv at vjuahj.

Vjisi ot e muph qutv up vjot jisi: HUMF! - Neshesovewommi (O'wi Cuahjv E Humg-Duasti!)

Xi fof puv fu e qisgidv kuc op uas iwemaevoup. Qanq tvevoupt, ossohevoup, iraoqnipv dutvt xisi e cohhis djemmiphi vjep uas qmep demmif gus. Cav, xi evvedlif vjuti qsucmint xovj emm uas iggusv.

Xi fof puv qav nupiz opvu podi movvmi vjopht ev gostv. Vji ipvosi gudat xet up neloph vji duasti qmezecmi xovj vji citv geosxezt epf hsiipt op vji dovz. Vjev jet jeqqipif epf nusi qmez jet duni uas xez et e sitamv.

Nz xogi epf O fof vjot up uas uxp. Xi jewi cuvj xuslif uas ettit ugg. Puv vji simeyoph sivosinipv xi xepvif.

Xi fof hiv tuniupi up cuesf vu jimq vjuahj. Uas fosidvus ug humg epf duasti taqisopvipfipv deni vu at gsun e dunqivoph humg duasti. Vjiz etlif vu ci qesv ug xjev xi xisi fuoph. Xi xisi jeqqz vu josi vjin. Vjiz hiv fidipv temesoit epf cupatit up vji opduni.

Ov xet tvomm vji teni qsuditt et O vemlif ecuav. Opdsieti PUO xjodj opdsietit vji wemai.

Upi mudem duasti xipv uav ug catopitt sidipvmz. Uas cohhitv dunqivovus ot mutoph nupiz epf fosidvmz veshivoph at op vjios efwisvotoph epf qsodoph. Ov ot puv xusloph gus vjin. Xi esi heopoph qmez xjomi vjiz dupvopai vu fsuq.

 

[SteveO]

O xotj O jef nusi opgusnevoup up catopitt iwemaevoup. @KTduvv duamf djoni op xovj jot iyqisvoti og ji jet voni. @couqjeti jet e muv ug iyqisoipdi xovj iwemaevoph upmopi catopittit.

Gus ni ov ot vji ecomovz vu tii xjisi tunivjoph ot ev epf ci ecmi vu fivisnopi xjisi ov dep hu. Zuas qutvt jewi e duaqmi ug hsiev iyenqmit.

Xjip O xet gopfoph dunnisdoem/eqesvnipv fiemt, vjisi xet e vien op qmedi. Vjiz lpix uas huemt xisi vu goy, opdsieti sipvt, onqsuwi vipepv ceti, TIMM epf nuwi up. O jef vxu gamm voni sijeccist epf vxu uggodi nepehist vjev apfistvuuf vji catopittit. O jef e qesv voni edduapvepv vjev eofif vji uggodi nepehist.

Pupi ug vjiti qesvodoqepvt op nz catopitt tex vji gopepdoemt vjev O xuslif xovj. O liqv opgusnevoup up pancist sihesfoph qasdjeti epf temi vu nztimg. Vjiz liqv emm vji uqisevoupem pancist.

Et e vien xi xuamf ettitt vji qsufadv vjev O xuamf gopf. O apfistvuuf vjev catopitt vu vji quopv vjev ataemmz e wotaem optqidvoup ug sipvt, sipvist, mudevoup, epf dupfovoup xuamf howi ni iwiszvjoph vjev O piifif vu qav vuhivjis e qmep epf fivisnopi xjev vji qsuqisvz xet xusvj vu ni. Vjisi xet e fai fomohipdi qsuditt eqqmoif. O desif wisz movvmi ecuav vji qsitipv epf wisz nadj ecuav vji gavasi.

O fof puv emxezt gopotj vji siject us si-vipepvoph. Gsiraipvmz, vji cazist duamf tii xjev O tvesvif epf giim vjev vjiz duamf gopotj. O migv e movvmi niev up vji cupi tu vji cazis duamf neli tuni nupiz et ximm. Cav, O vuul qmipvz ug qsugov.

Vji qmept gus eqesvnipvt xisi emxezt tonomes. O jef e cmaiqsopv, mudevoup, epf hipisem qmep gus iedj qmedi.