My horrible attempt at closing clients

[Tommy92l]

LOL delete this, was not well received !

 

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[theag]

Maybe you should stop playing videogames and start doing some real work on your business, and you wont envy your friends anymore.

 

[Tommy92l]

Alright dude, cool. Considering there are people out there that make a grand a day off ads. I posted it for some humor.

 

[theag]

So what do you make a day from this and whats your investment? People make money from all kinds of stuff, doesnt mean that its advisable to replicate them..

 

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[Tommy92l]

I guess what I meant was, if it takes me 2 hours every couple of days to make one of these, and it happens to explode and get noticed, it was a really good investment, and works as a way to advertise my website. Not like I'm relying on it, but it's surely not a waste of time.

There is a guy "Pewdiepie" who ends up making around 10-32K a day, because all of the other videos pile up and the views don't stop.

And that's like saying to MJ when he first started his business "What do you make a day and what do the other limo websites make?".

Just because you don't make something right off the bat means it's a bad idea?

 

[SeanKelly]

I got a kick out of that

 

[theag]

I guess what I meant was, if it takes me 2 hours every couple of days to make one of these, and it happens to explode and get noticed, it was a really good investment, and works as a way to advertize my website. Not like I'm relying on it, but it's surely not a waste of time.

There is a guy "Pewdiepie" who ends up making around 10-32K a day, because all of the other videos pile up and the views don't stop.

And that's like saying to MJ when he first started his business "What do you make a day and what do the other limo websites make?".

Just because you don't make something right off the bat means it's a bad idea?

So what happens if youtube decides to keep all ad revenue?

 

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[Tommy92l]

I got a kick out of that

Haha, thanks man !

 

[Tommy92l]

So what happens if youtube decides to keep all ad revenue?

What happens if my tire blows out tomorrow and I drive off a cliff.

You know what would happen? People who live off it (A.K.A people who make the MOST views) would stop making content (Considering it's their job), and eventually, all of the money would stop flowing in and in the end, end up screwing google over.

 

[theag]

What happens if my tire blows out tomorrow and I drive off a cliff.

You know what would happen? People who live off it (A.K.A people who make the MOST views) would stop making content (Considering it's their job), and eventually, all of the money would stop flowing in and in the end, end up screwing google over.

Ok, good luck with your videogame videos then

 

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[Tommy92l]

I'm not saying I'm reliant upon it, but it's not as bad as you're making it.

 

[JAJT]

This is the funnies section, right? Was the first post not funny?

 

[theag]

This is the funnies section, right? Was the first post not funny?

Depends on your humor. Dunno why he deleted it, maybe my reply was to harsh

 

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[LightHouse]

Why did you delete the original? Leave it up, who cares if it wasn't received well, that's how people learn.

 

[Kak]

Video games are a waste of time.

 

[Gold777]

Video games are a waste of time.

Not really, video games are for entertainment, and can be used to get your mind off of something and just have fun. That's like saying being entertained or having fun is a waste of time... I don't get people who say games are a waste of time but watch TV, go to the movies, bowl, play golf, etc. Just doesn't make sense, it's just another form of entertainment and if you don't like being entertained or having fun then I would be highly weary of your mental state lol.

Playing games excessively is a waste of time, as no one needs to be entertained for several hours a day, but doing a lot of things excessively could be looked at as a waste of time.

 

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[Kak]

I just know people who are into them and they spend every waking minute of free time playing. That is a horrible way to live life. They don't seem to accomplish anything of value.

 

[Ãœbertreffen]

It's what you do with that entertainment that will value or devalue your time spent.

Entertainment such as golfing is a great outing to build or gain new business relations if used correctly. Whether you seek out the value or not is where it's going to determine time well wasted or well spent.

 

[Gold777]

I just know people who are into them and they spend every waking minute of free time playing. That is a horrible way to live life. They don't seem to accomplish anything of value.

Luckily, I don't know anybody like that, and just because you knew a few people that do doesn't mean you have to generalize.

It's what you do with that entertainment that will value or devalue your time spent.

Entertainment such as golfing is a great outing to build or gain new business relations if used correctly. Whether you seek out the value or not is where it's going to determine time well wasted or well spent.

Since when does being entertained have to have benefits such as gaining new business relations or gaining something of great value? What happened to just being able to relax for a bit and doing what makes you happy?

You don't have to search for a business opportunity in EVERYTHING you do, just because you're doing something you enjoy doing that does nothing besides make you happy, doesn't mean that's time wasted.

 

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[DennisD]

Video games are a waste of time.

Bullshit.
It's all about the life choices of the person that plays. Alcohol can be considered a 'waste of time' too. I know people who do nothing all day but drink, waste their lives, and beat their wives. Doesn't mean consuming alcohol is generally a bad idea.

Lessons I learned from videogames:

• Minecraft is a freeform sandbox game with no plot and no rules. Playing this regularly helped enforce my goalsetting skills. While playing a nonlinear game with no direction, giving yourself goals is 50% of the gameplay.
• Civilization taught me a whole boatload of lessons. Under which circumstances to trade, fight, or run away. Tough decisions have to be made multiple times/game and each time you learn a lesson. Stopping your attack on a Japanese city because you realize it would be more effective to trade your horses for their iron has some real life lessons buried in there. You learn about effectiveness of actions and when sacrifice of time/resources is necessary.
• Nearly every Real Time Strategy game has some form of mana. (Mana is a resource currency you use to build military units or structures.) Early game, some people choose to use their mana to build more mana producers... while making to weak early game you trump people late game.. Other people use their mana to build weak early units to get started on their offensive campaign. There's always a risk/reward analysis you have to do. In fact, I've always seen building mana wells is akin to building passive income deposits.
• All RPGs have skill trees that you can choose to build in different ways. You can choose to either specialize in one tree (making you REALLY good in one area) or to evenly distribute your skill points (making you really sucky in 50 different areas). Teaches the importance of specialization. Also the passive bonuses of stacking similar skills.
• Any action game rewires your brain slightly allowing you to make tough split second decisions. Even something as simple as "Do I reload now or wait until I empty my clip?" could mean a death.
• Storytelling, Appreciation of 3d Art, history lessons, spacial 3d reasoning, and much more. I think videogames are our future as a culture.

Videogames is more mentally stimulating than watching TV. I feel ILL thinking about people who waste their lives watching TV. I always thought "at least if they were playing videogames they'd be DOING something".

I think playing videogames helps your brain make decisions quicker, and builds reasoning ability.

Also, gaming provides interesting sources of revenue:
-My first venture was a website and ebook about a video game that I was able to live off of when I lost my job. My second venture was another website providing services towards gamers.
-I have some buddies who do 'lets plays' and they built a company off of it. Over a million subscribers on youtube, they hired staff, and got a whole thing going. For now they're relying on youtube adsense for cash, but that shouldn't be looked down upon more than somebody who makes a living off of adsense
-I know some REALLY well known internet marketers (these guys have #1 ranking websites and podcasts) who are closet gamers. They got their start selling World of Warcraft gold on ebay.
-Competitive gamers can actually get sponsored and play competitively.
-Not to mention the $ that can be made MAKING games.

I have an outline for a book that teaches financial/business/marketing lessons using videogames as an analogy.... I'm waiting until I sell my first business before I write it. I feel it would be taken more seriously at that point.

 

[theag]

Yeah sure, with so many people escaping from their real lifes into videogames and virtual realities, there are lots of opportunities there. But I still think videogames are a waste of time. And this comes from a guy who played a lot of CS, even competetive, and WoW when I came out initially. Very glad that I'm healed now.

I think videogames are our future as a culture.

I hope not.

 

[DennisD]

sorry, realized I had more to say on the subject:

I've taken up video gaming again recently. I had stopped for nearly a year while trying to build a biz... but 2012 was the year of self discovery. I realized I work best while taking frequent breaks.

I stopped playing videogames just because it wasn't supposed to be a productive thing. I recently learned that just because it's not productive for other people doesn't make it so for me. I now work for 30 mins on my biz, take a 10 min game break, repeat. My personal accomplishments per day have gone up SIGNIFICANTLY because I don't get so frustrated or bored with my work anymore.

I swear to god it's difficult for me to concentrate on the same thing for more than 40 mins at a time and I end up sitting there starting at my computer trying to concentrate and failing. Now that I've reintroduced videogame breaks, I found my productivity is through the roof.

Since when does being entertained have to have benefits such as gaining new business relations or gaining something of great value? What happened to just being able to relax for a bit and doing what makes you happy?

Oh, and I guess there's this: using entertainment to clear your mind and relax you. Games are also a great outlet for aggression if you have those sorts of problems (video game therapy).

I actually play an hour of video games daily. It's so relaxing:
I sit back on my bed, pop on Minecraft, work on building my castle, and listen to an audiobook. (Currently listening to Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers"). For some reason, my brain just learns better listening to audio while doing something kinetic.

 

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[GPM]

Video games for people who do nothing but that is terrible. For me they are great, it has kept me sane in my relationship.

My girlfriend says "I will be ready in 5 min". I used to believe her and just get mad as I literally sat around for an hour waiting for her to be ready. Now when she says she will be ready in "5 min" I take the time to play a little CS:GO. Great game to play for anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour if you don't know how much time you will have.

I used to read when she said that, but I HATE having to put books down in the middle of a paragraph or at a good part. CS: GO, I can put that down after playing it for 45 seconds without a care in the world. No more getting mad at my girlfriend!

Oh, and I am sad I missed the first post, I have no idea what started all this.

 

[liquidglass]

sorry, realized I had more to say on the subject:

I've taken up video gaming again recently. I had stopped for nearly a year while trying to build a biz... but 2012 was the year of self discovery. I realized I work best while taking frequent breaks.

I stopped playing videogames just because it wasn't supposed to be a productive thing. I recently learned that just because it's not productive for other people doesn't make it so for me. I now work for 30 mins on my biz, take a 10 min game break, repeat. My personal accomplishments per day have gone up SIGNIFICANTLY because I don't get so frustrated or bored with my work anymore.

I swear to god it's difficult for me to concentrate on the same thing for more than 40 mins at a time and I end up sitting there starting at my computer trying to concentrate and failing. Now that I've reintroduced videogame breaks, I found my productivity is through the roof.


Oh, and I guess there's this: using entertainment to clear your mind and relax you. Games are also a great outlet for aggression if you have those sorts of problems (video game therapy).

I actually play an hour of video games daily. It's so relaxing:
I sit back on my bed, pop on Minecraft, work on building my castle, and listen to an audiobook. (Currently listening to Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers"). For some reason, my brain just learns better listening to audio while doing something kinetic.

Allow me to interject some advice. If you're going to listen to an audio book while not working, make it a business book or a self improvement one. Then you are learning at the same time.

I would also tack on 2 cents about if you can concentrate for 40 minutes then make it 40 rather than 30. Your business is worth your attention, right?

 

[DennisD]

Allow me to interject some advice. If you're going to listen to an audio book while not working, make it a business book or a self improvement one. Then you are learning at the same time.

It is a business/self improvement book.
It's number two on the list of books most quoted by millionaires for it's advice in chapter 2, "the 10,000 rule". Gladwell also wrote The Tipping Point which is another staple book for an enspiring entrepreneur to read.

I would also tack on 2 cents about if you can concentrate for 40 minutes then make it 40 rather than 30. Your business is worth your attention, right?

I don't have an eggtimer next to me. I work until I get to the mental breaking point, take a refresher, and then work until I get to the mental breaking point. The mental breaking point is ALWAYS between 30-50 minutes.

Not to squander your free advice, but I've already figured out what's works for me.

 

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[theag]

It is a business/self improvement book.
It's number two on the list of books most quoted by millionaires for it's advice in chapter 2, "the 10,000 rule". Gladwell also wrote The Tipping Point which is another staple book for an enspiring entrepreneur to read.



I don't have an eggtimer next to me. I work until I get to the mental breaking point, take a refresher, and then work until I get to the mental breaking point. The mental breaking point is ALWAYS between 30-50 minutes.

Not to squander your free advice, but I've already figured out what's works for me.

How will you handle this in your new job? I would instantly fire an employee if he couldn't concentrate on work for more than 30 minutes and started to play video games.

 

[Ãœbertreffen]

Since when does being entertained have to have benefits such as gaining new business relations or gaining something of great value? What happened to just being able to relax for a bit and doing what makes you happy?

You don't have to search for a business opportunity in EVERYTHING you do, just because you're doing something you enjoy doing that does nothing besides make you happy, doesn't mean that's time wasted.

Seriously? What's not to say it doesn't.

I wrap my life around enjoyment. What's there to complain about? I'm healthy as an ox and I'm happy.

Business to me is entertainment. I build up businesses. Watch a creation of your own grow and you'll see what the fuss is about. Sure, it can be a PITA at times but that passes. If you're not enjoying the ride then you're doing it wrong.

Is this my only entertainment? No, but if you want to play 20 questions, at least buy me dinner first. :smilielol:



Some just take life too seriously, especially in business situations. Does it make it less enjoyable if you were to do activities with business partners, friends/family or individually? It depends who you ask. I don't get bored because I choose not to. It's called freedom and it's amazing.

If someone wants to play video games every waking moment of their existence, go for it. I'm not worried about anyone but myself. Everyone is so worried about everyone else that they forget to look out for number one.

If you need to escape from the overload, I get it. We've all been there. However, if the setting allows for it, why not take advantage of it? You're already there for the enjoyment. Anything more is just a bonus.

Be an observer and a listener. You'll be better off.




I'm typically not scoping out for what's next for me. It's not all about me and it never has been. Opportunities and business relationships are built when you least expect them to. It's not like I open the door for someone and expect something in return.

Here's one for ya. One of my company's is in the construction field. Part of what I do in this specific field is residential and commercial remodels/renovations. I purchased a home in Arizona just recently. Bought it sight unseen. When I knew the key would be in my hand, I flew down to Arizona and stayed for a week and a half. First day in I was ripping out a wall in the kitchen and it just went from there. I ended up sleeping in one of the bedrooms on an air mattress the first day in as I seriously went right to it when I got there.

Kitchen is now fully remodeled and furnished minus the counter-tops (which will be done by my counter-top guy while I'm away). The bathrooms were gutted and remodeled top to bottom. Off the kitchen/living area I ripped out the sliding door to the view of the pool and mountain directly behind it as it was in bad shape. There was a smaller sliding door off the bedroom that I ended up just putting a single door in. The plan was to put french doors in but I decided against it. When I wasn't at the house I was running to get new stuff for the house (construction or furnish).

Some may call that work but I call it fun. There was other entertainment along the way. Even with the time strain that I had. One of the trips to Home Depot I saw a motorized wheelchair parked in the parking lot cart corral on my way out. By this time it was getting late. I put everything in the vehicle. Then I hopped on the wheelchair and powered that beast through the parking lot and then headed for the front door, passing three people on my way. I broke through the double doors and saw a few employee's standing there. It so happens that there were four or five other ones parked there and one open spot for my powered wheel beast. I parked it and walked out. Let's just say it wasn't a boring time.

While I was remodeling I had a lot to throw away (had the garbage man scheduled for pick-up of a few bagsters). I had many neighbors stop by. Some provided great insight into the previous owners and everyone were basically just wondering what was going on, haha. One of the neighbors is a heating/cooling guy. Then there was Ron the electrician. Ron was like the neighborhood watch guy. Retired electrician who has a passion for growing fruit trees. With open hand he brought over lots of different fruit during his visit. Some of the other neighbors are into racing which is an industry I'm well familiar with as another one of my company's is in the industry specifically.

Our next door neighbor, Connie, an elderly recent widow had a son who was also in the construction field. Just from shooting the shit all of a sudden she had all these contacts ready. Guess who's now doing our countertops? Yup. It's funny how some of the other people fell through and yet the one that ended up working out and actually knew his head from his a$$ was the next door neighbor's son.

What if I had just shut the door in all these welcoming folks faces? Sorry, I'm having too much fun. Cannot talk to you right now! Come on...

 

[DennisD]

How will you handle this in your new job? I would instantly fire an employee if he couldn't concentrate on work for more than 30 minutes and started to play video games.

I suppose it depends on how much money the employee made you? I made it very clear during the interview how I think to which he responded "hahaha, I'm exactly the same way"

When I worked at the ad agency, after 3 months I was granted my own office with a company purchased xbox and guitar

 

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[liquidglass]

It is a business/self improvement book.
It's number two on the list of books most quoted by millionaires for it's advice in chapter 2, "the 10,000 rule". Gladwell also wrote The Tipping Point which is another staple book for an enspiring entrepreneur to read.



I don't have an eggtimer next to me. I work until I get to the mental breaking point, take a refresher, and then work until I get to the mental breaking point. The mental breaking point is ALWAYS between 30-50 minutes.

Not to squander your free advice, but I've already figured out what's works for me.

Fair enough, I honestly didn't see the book, I was too caught up with the idea of someone trying to drive in the fastlane for 30 minutes at a time. In my opinion, if you don't take corrective medication it sounds like an excuse to be lazy. But maybe that's just the employer in me talking.

If it works for you, that's awesome, that's why it was just 2 cents and not the whole buck feel free to do what you want with it.

 

[Kak]

Luckily, I don't know anybody like that, and just because you knew a few people that do doesn't mean you have to generalize.

I still think they are a waste of time. I don't occupy myself with things like mindless TV either so that doesn't work on me. Now... I do unwind at the golf club with business partners and clients. My free time at home is spent learning; whether it be from books, internet, this forum, the WSJ, and the Bible. I genuinely enjoy learning things that will better my life and even talk business on vacation.

I don't really care about how to beat the space alien level 12 so I will be a bad a$$ to all of my ad hoc friends.