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I decided I wanted to play around in the stock market. I was completly new to stocks (still am learning). Many say you need 10k minimum to invest in stocks. This is not true. You can register with discount brokers $3.99 trades, free trades, etc.

So to start off I have always had much interest in investing but zero experience with stocks. I wanted to experiment with a relatively small ammount of money. After a profitable concert I invested in payed off very well for me. Rather than putting all the money in my regular accounts or spending it, I created a fidelity account (now have switched due to lower fees) and put $1000 in.

Knowing that I only had $1000 and fidelity charges a $7.99 fee every trade and also knowing that most stocks go up slowly I came up with a rather differant way of investing.

I invested in stocks immediatly after very bad news was released and the price drastically droped/Bio-tech stocks that had new drug results waiting to be released. For example temper pedic dropped to less than 20% of its week before price. I bought a few hundred dollars worth of its shares. I sold these shares later at 35% above my purchase price.

I invested in ZOLT after it crashed and sold the shares at a 40% profit. I than re-bought Zolt when it wen't back down to $8.00. Now it is at a %14 loss. But even with this loss my gains from the prior sale of ZOLT still make up for it. I predict ZOLT will come back to life and raise to roughly $9.50 in the near future in which time I will sell again at a profit.

I than invested in PPHM at .86 and sold at 1.39 I made some decent money on this one. I see the potential in many bio-tech stocks to be very lucrative.

My new investment is in ONCS which I bought at .282 and is now at .292 This company has zero profits so many may be hesitant to invest. I invested in it due to a prediction that when its next drug goes to trial and shows success the stock price will jump drastically and I will make out at a very lucrative profit.

Many may say this tactic is risky. I disagree due to spreading out the investment and looking at risk to reward on a multiple stock scale as a safety net for if one goes bad the other lucrative gains will back you up. One guideline I use is I look at the companies assets and if they have enough cash to debt that I believe they will not go bankrupt I see the potential for lucrative profit and I invest.

Right now my portfolio has increased at over 30% in less than a year. If I had put 100k in I would have made 30k profit in less than a year. Not bad.
 
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I have used the same strategy sorta, 300 % ROI and 50% in one year, I do however check financial background information on a company, and never invest if they haven't made a profit last 3 years. Also trying to find company's with low debt. You should check out Oslo Stock exchange if you can access it, its pretty volatile.
 

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Now ONCS is 7% above my purchase price.

Yea I'm open to any advice. Also if any of you know any good articles on trading volatile stocks feel free to post them.
 
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Just sold ONCS at 22% above purchase price lol I am starting to think I am just getting lucky
 

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Just curious, how do you monitor the bad news and whether or not the price drops? I certainly believe in your core model; Wait for good companies to suffer from emotional selling and swoop in for the bargain. It's the reason why I don't subscribe to rational market theory.
 

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Just curious, how do you monitor the bad news and whether or not the price drops? I certainly believe in your core model; Wait for good companies to suffer from emotional selling and swoop in for the bargain. It's the reason why I don't subscribe to rational market theory.

I check the biggest stock losers list of week and if it looks like the downfall is over i invest. To find the news simply type in the symbol on yahoo finance and at the bottom of page is any news stories/tips etc.
 
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Right now my portfolio has increased at over 30% in less than a year. If I had put 100k in I would have made 30k profit in less than a year. Not bad.

LOL, people say this all the time. If you had $100k you would not have made the same trades.

People say it's risky because it is. Unfortunately, most people have to learn this themselves with their own money.

BTW, this is also on my list of things I don't talk to others about because it's a no win argument: religion, politics & stock trading.
 

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LOL, people say this all the time. If you had $100k you would not have made the same trades.

People say it's risky because it is. Unfortunately, most people have to learn this themselves with their own money.

BTW, this is also on my list of things I don't talk to others about because it's a no win argument: religion, politics & stock trading.

If you have 5 stocks. You win big on 3 of them. Lose on one and one does nothing. You still come out well ahead. Don't put all your eggs in one nest is the way I see it. Calculated safety nets. Also stop loss settings.
 

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At this fast rate of growth my account will have a decent ammount of money relatively quickly. I will not put anymore of my personal assets at risk, but I have no problem re-investing the profits which is what I have been doing. As my account grows the profits of each transaction will grow also and the more diverse I can be also which is my safety net as well as the stop loss setting.
 
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Also I find it fun. I like watching my stocks on my phone. Sitting bored at work and realizing I just made way more in a click than I would the entire day at work. Plus I see it as a great learning experience.
 

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BTW, this is also on my list of things I don't talk to others about because it's a no win argument: religion, politics & stock trading.

Interesting. Why not stock trading?
 

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The premise of your system is sound, buying emotional over reaction.

Beware though, buying a bunch of similar stocks is not diversification. Another risk for you, which can be controlled is overall market risk, so be careful if you are buying the biggest losers, and the entire market is tanking.

Learn position sizing, this is the most important way that pros control risk.

The other thing to be aware of when it comes to risk is that most people get done in by risks that they don't expect, not the ones they plan for, so you'll need to be constantly expanding your knowledge of money and markets and trading to be able learn to predict the unseen risks.

Right now my portfolio has increased at over 30% in less than a year. If I had put 100k in I would have made 30k profit in less than a year. Not bad.

When a trader is making statements like this, he close to peril. There is no such thing as expected profits, and thinking you've got if figured out is by far the biggest risk in trading.

Overall though, a great start, keep trading small and safe, keep detailed records of all your trades and your inner dialog and review often for ways to learn.
 
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Interesting. Why not stock trading?

Because the conversation is the same and you can't convince the other person otherwise. Try listening to a buy & hold guy talk to a day trader. They each believe in their methods and will argue them to their death.
 

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Because the conversation is the same and you can't convince the other person otherwise. Try listening to a buy & hold guy talk to a day trader. They each believe in their methods and will argue them to their death.

Generally true. However, if an individual believes and understands that "there are a million ways to make a million bucks" then it's all about learning. That's how I approach it anyway. I'm not a trader, but I don't begrudge them. Nobody understands all ways to make money. Why not learn from others who have done it differently? It can only make a person better, smarter, faster.
 

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Also I find it fun. I like watching my stocks on my phone. Sitting bored at work and realizing I just made way more in a click than I would the entire day at work. Plus I see it as a great learning experience.

The fact that you made this extra post to me means that you will fail at this.

Because it's fun?
It's a learning experience?
Bored at work?

These are statements to protect your feelings in case you lose money. They make you feel better about what you are doing. You are investing your hard earned money. It's not something you take lightly.

You probably do take it lightly because it's only $1k. I'm not saying not do it. We've all been there. We've all traded stocks, made and lost money. Anyone can throw $1k at a stock for fun. It's like a lottery ticket. No stress in looking at your portfolio go up and down.

But don't start thinking at you could have turned $100k to $130k in a few months. If you treat $100k as a fun learning experience you won't have it long.

Step back and learn more first.
 
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I have to agree with biophase. When I invest it's not for 'fun'. When I want fun, I take a trip with my wife and daughter. When I invest, I seek, to destroy my competition, to take advantage of others' folly, and make money. There's no fun involved. It's all cold, calculating, and methodical.
 

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Generally true. However, if an individual believes and understands that "there are a million ways to make a million bucks" then it's all about learning. That's how I approach it anyway. I'm not a trader, but I don't begrudge them. Nobody understands all ways to make money. Why not learn from others who have done it differently? It can only make a person better, smarter, faster.

What I mean is that if you and I both have the same stock. We may both have different exit points based on different methodologies. I'm sure we can discuss the merits of both of them rationally. However, if you meet some friend of a friend who has the same stock, who trades on his free time, I will bet that you and him will not have a good conversation about when to sell. Because most of the time it's emotion or feel based with people, same as politics or religion. I usually just zone out to the point now where I don't even broach the subject.
 

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Of course I would not put 100k in un-experienced.

No they are not feeling to protect if I lose money although I do understand the risks. Yes I said it is fun because it is fun.

Just my philosophy on life and how I spend my time. If you are not making significant ammounts of money off something (which with my portfolio size I am currently not) you better be having fun at it and if you can have fun while making significant ammounts of money even better :)
 
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I have to agree with biophase. When I invest it's not for 'fun'. When I want fun, I take a trip with my wife and daughter. When I invest, I seek, to destroy my competition, to take advantage of others' folly, and make money. There's no fun involved. It's all cold, calculating, and methodical.

BTW Chicago457,

We are not trying to bring you down. Just telling you to watch out and slow down so you don't lose the money that you have.
 

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What I mean is that if you and I both have the same stock. We may both have different exit points based on different methodologies. I'm sure we can discuss the merits of both of them rationally. However, if you meet some friend of a friend who has the same stock, who trades on his free time, I will bet that you and him will not have a good conversation about when to sell. Because most of the time it's emotion or feel based with people, same as politics or religion. I usually just zone out to the point now where I don't even broach the subject.

Yeah I can see this happening. I tell my close friends when I'm buying. They understand that I don't have an exit point. However, they also understand that I can pick out a bargain here and there so they buy alongside me. The only difference is that they usually sell out within the year just to bag a few thousand dollars. We have a good laugh about this when we get together. I rib them about settling for a pittance ;)
 

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So to start off I have always had much interest in investing but zero experience with stocks. I wanted to experiment with a relatively small ammount of money. After a profitable concert I invested in payed off very well for me. Rather than putting all the money in my regular accounts or spending it, I created a fidelity account (now have switched due to lower fees) and put $1000 in.

It really sounds like you haven't done your homework and are just looking for a quick dollar. I day traded full time for over a year. Yes, I made lots and lots of cash. Yes, I quit when I had the most knowledge to make profitable trades, why? Dude... risking $80,000 multiple times a day is freaking stressful. When playing with a 4:1 risk-reward and taking some big 4 figured losses, it's just very very emotionally trying. During this time, I learned programming to automate my trades and ended up selling some trading software for more money than I could ever make per hour trading. As weird as it sounds... you have to be tough to be an entrepreneur, but you have to have balls of steel to stick around in the trading world.

Since you've said you're open to advice, there is one sure-fire securities investment tip that will never fail you. Understand why people buy and why people sell. You said your little story about the penny stocks and a "theory" on how it works, and everyone and there brother will have one similiar, but all of them are bullshit. Why is that in a currency market you can throw up a Fibonacci series on a chart and every single line will get perfectly tested? Why is that fat support on the bid side will always be followed by an increase in price? why is there fat support on the bid side? Why is it that right after bad news a stock drops in price? The reason is simple: price changes occur when people have a reason to buy or sell. If you have one strategy (charts, news, fundamentals, and their associated timeframes), then you're only getting a fraction of the reason why someone would buy or sell in a scenario. I spent 60+ hours a week researching my trades and making sure everything lined up. My charts, news days, a company's financials, because I wanted all reasons to be in the direction I was favoring. "But the CCI on the 20 minute dropped below -100, it should have been oversold!" Ya, but you failed to realize the CCI month was still over +100 and coming down and they just released their quarterly earnings showing a loss.

Also a second tip... decide whether you are a bull or a bear and never make yourself a pig. Bulls think the price will go up and buy and sell. Bear's think the price will tank and short and cover. I was a bear who looked for all the reasons to sell to line up, not just one. The reason for being a bear to me was simple, it's much easier for people to say "give me my money back!" than to give up their money. Netflix is a great example of this at work. It took nearly 3 years for it to go up in price from $5 to $300, yet over the course of just several days it dropped 90% in price over news that nearly 12% of it's customers had dropped them while they charged the remaining 88% DOUBLE. Anyone that can do the math will tell you who cares about the 12%, they're now operating at 176%! But sure enough... news of lost customers is news of lost customers and the panic selling dug in triggering a ton of stop losses. So, choose a side! Most brokerages won't let you short pennies, but once you get that $25k and become a pattern day trader with 4:1 margin, you may want to restrategize!

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The premise of your system is sound, buying emotional over reaction.

This is the worst advice I have ever heard. You should be removing as much emotion from your purchases as possible. Emotional trading should be saved for the casinos.



edit: I have faith Chicago! You can definitely do it and succeed. It's a hard learning process with a few successes... but who cares? Everything is like that hahaha. I personally chose the business route instead, but that didn't deter me from starting in the stock world and that didn't deter my trading friends from continuing to trade either. As long as you do your DD on a trade and are playing with positive risk/reward's you'll be set. :D
 

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This is the worst advice I have ever heard. You should be removing as much emotion from your purchases as possible. Emotional trading should be saved for the casinos.

You missed the point. I wasn't giving advice. I was saying that his system is based on the emotional trading of others. Taking advantage of this type of trading in others is what I meant that he had as a sound system. Just like a casino takes advantage of the emotional nature of gamblers.
 

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You missed the point. I wasn't giving advice. I was saying that his system is based on the emotional trading of others. Taking advantage of this type of trading in others is what I meant that he had as a sound system. Just like a casino takes advantage of the emotional nature of gamblers.

oh my bad haha I thought you meant to trade on personal feelings and emotions.
 
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Because the conversation is the same and you can't convince the other person otherwise. Try listening to a buy & hold guy talk to a day trader. They each believe in their methods and will argue them to their death.

True. Buy and hold vs day trading aren't even close to the same thing... a day trader has more in common with a poker player than he does with an investor.

Thing is, poker players can make a lot of money. So can investors.

I do see your point, however: it's like, one guy is arguing that he will make more money and the other guy is arguing that he will make more money. It's a pointless argument.
 

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True. Buy and hold vs day trading aren't even close to the same thing... a day trader has more in common with a poker player than he does with an investor.

Thing is, poker players can make a lot of money. So can investors.

I do see your point, however: it's like, one guy is arguing that he will make more money and the other guy is arguing that he will make more money. It's a pointless argument.

Unless you're really getting in on an IPO... you're not an investor. You're a glorified baseball card trader. Warren Buffet is an investor, the sharks on Shark Tank are investors. Your dad's stock account through e-trade is not investing haha.
 

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Right now my portfolio has increased at over 30% in less than a year. If I had put 100k in I would have made 30k profit in less than a year. Not bad.

I used to trade for many many years but primarily futures, and also made a lot of money daily since it was day-trading. But you need to keep in mind that no-one trades "would've, could've and should've".

After a trade I notice that a lot of newly-traders think that they should've or could've done it differently to make more money. But the key is to take out your emotions from the trades and never think like that, because you can never know 100% unless your a INSIDERS trading.

As a trader you need to have a strategy on when to get in and when to get out, I always saw that I could've made a couple more hundred bucks on a contract, but I ALWAYS followed my strategy. So if it hit my profit target it sold, and if it hit my stop-loss it sold automatically.
 
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Off topic, but i know almost nothing about stocks other than a simulation in my 10th grade economics class. Can anyone point me to some recommened resources to help me start learning?
 

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Off topic, but i know almost nothing about stocks other than a simulation in my 10th grade economics class. Can anyone point me to some recommened resources to help me start learning?

Too broad a question. Read all books re: stocks and pick one that resonates with you.
 

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