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Let me challenge you on that a little bit. You are saying you don't have values. More accurately you may even be literally saying the ultimate value is death. Luckily, I typically don't believe peoples words when it comes to wants/values/etc. I look at their actions. So here we go.
If I was to believe that you feel the point is death, that would lead you to laying in bed all day doing literally nothing. There are some small set of actions that are unconscious and are not a choice (breathing). But getting out of bed is a choice. You have necessarily asserted a value. If you didn't, you would have laid there still in inaction. It's why a computer that isn't given instruction does....literally nothing. You can recursively analize every move. But thats a waste of time. The point was to prove the principle.
You asked about an overarching goal or whatever. Death is that thing. I didn't said I don't have values and yes, death is the ultimate value by definition because it ends everything else. When you're dead, you have no values and whatever values you believed to be true while you were alive mean nothing.
It doesn't mean I won't do anything and just wait for death. I simply acknowledge that whatever I do, it ends in death. There's no other purpose to it. I can either do nothing as you said or I can do something. Either way, it doesn't change the overarching theme.
I choose to use my life in whatever way I consider okay. Because I stopped fooling myself there's legacy, purpose, and stuff like that, I'm actually more free in life than before. I would say I find it easier to get up in the morning now because there's less pressure.
So no wonder you are coming on here frustrated. You innately do have values. You do have drives. You prove that every day. But your brain has led you to believe otherwise. Your mind is so strongly suffocated by your ideology that you are allowing it to keep control even when reality disagrees.
I can have values (like responsibility) and drives (like being out in nature). Doesn't mean I have to see them as the meaning of life. If I'm thirsty, I'll have a drink. If I feel like working out, I'll work out. If I feel like helping someone, I'll help them. Nothing more to it because in the end it all means nothing.
And again, I'm not seeing it as something depressing. I actually feel much better with this view because it saves me from the pointless job of looking for meaning or purpose or questioning myself, the universe or whatever. I feel that a lot of suffering comes from placing too much importance on ourselves and our individual meaning. So by not doing it, I immediately feel better.
This will be too nerdy but it shows well my point of view regarding our insignificance (I read through the entire thing except for particle physics and it puts the ridiculous act of looking for purpose into perspective):
Timeline of the far future - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Other than that, I'm probably a bit too stupid for your post as I don't understand your point and/or question if there's any.
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