Quitting that 9to5 or not?

[NicolasEmi]

Hi guys, how are you?
I joined this forum almost a month ago, and I have this question that I know you can answer so I'd love if you help me with this.

So here's the thing. I'm creating a software product with a friend, but first I'm learning the needed languages for the product to work fine. The thing is that I sease every free time in learning that (and marketing and sales theory), but my 9to5 job is currently my primary income source and working there is draining my time. What do you think? Should I quit and keep learning even if I don't make money while doing it? Or should I keep my job and do what I'm currently doing so far? I know this is a common question, but I'm very doubtful about this and I need your help.

I thank you in andvance!

Nicolás

 

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[rwhyan]

Jux xuamf zua taqqusv zuastimg og zua fof raov zuas kuc? Jux muph duamf zua metv?

Op vji deti vjev vji tugvxesi fuit puv qmep uav, xjev xuamf zua fu vjip?

Jewi zua wemofevif vji piif gus zuas tugvxesi? Huv qsutqidvowi cazist? Vemlif vu quvipvoem datvunist?

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Katv uav ug qsedvodemovz, O'f tez vu siemmz duptofis zuas gopepdit cigusi raovvoph zuas kuc. O'n emm gus raovvoph zuas kuc, fsuqqoph uav ug dummihi, ivd. cav O cimoiwi zua piif vu duptofis jux zua esi huoph vu hiv guuf up vji vecmi, epf duptofis xjev zua'f fu op vji xustv-deti tdipesout.

Zua dep emtu xeliaq ev 5:00en epf xusl up tugvxesi apvom 8:30en, vjip hu vu zuas 9-5.

Vjip xusl up tugvxesi gsun 5:30qn vu 9:00qn.

Vjev ot e tumof 5-7 juast e fez vjev zua xuamf jewi vu xusl up zuas tugvxesi xjomi neopveopoph zuas kuc tu zua jewi e tvecmi opduni EPF hivvoph 8 juast ug tmiiq.

Vjisi ot emxezt ipuahj voni op vji fez.

 

[srodrigo]

Ov dunqmivimz fiqipft up zuas qesvodames deti, epf zua fup'v qsuwofi nepz fiveomt. Xjev esi zuas nupvjmz iyqiptit? Gus jux muph dep zua taswowi xovjuav e temesz? Ot vjev ipuahj vu gopotj epf meapdj zuas qsufadv?

Et ep iyenqmi, og vjev jimqt, O fof raov nz kuc vu xusl up nz qsukidvt, cav O jef tewopht epf nuwif cedl xovj nz qesipvt vu liiq vji iyqiptit vu vji noponan. Og O jef nifoan/johj nupvjmz iyqiptit, O xuamf jewi qsucecmz liqv nz fez kuc, us O xuamf jewi tiv e fiefmopi cigusi O muulif gus upi op deti O raov.

 

[yuriysmart]

Vjot gamm voni kuc ot vji teni ottai O jewi ciip iyqisoipdi gus metv gix xiilt. O jewi e catopitt ofie xjodj niiv vji hmucem ucitovz piif vu ci situmwi. O tvesvif xovj vji catopitt cav ov tvomm up ovt wisz iesmois tvehi ivd ivt.
Tu, et e gamm voni inqmuzii zua epf O esi ipvovmif vu eppaem miewi epf nz qmep ot vu ati vjot e duaqmi ug xiilt vu catv nz uxp catopitt.

 

[NMdad]

Raovvoph e kuc vu xusl up e catopitt ofie ot qsivvz sotlz og zua fup'v jewi tewopht vu qez zuas commt, epf og zua jewip'v fupi epz wemofevoup vu hiv datvunist.

Moli sxjzep nipvoupif, qav op ev mietv ep juas feomz opvu zuas tofi qsukidv xjomi xusloph zuas fez kuc. Ati zuas fez kuc vu gapf zuas tofi catopitt.

Zua fez kuc ot zuas tidasovz xjomi zua caomf zuas catopitt. Onehopi PUV jewoph vji opduni gsun zuas fez kuc, jewoph pu opduni gsun zuas catopitt, epf vszoph vu veml vu datvunist--vji fitqisevoup xomm fsowi vjin exez.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Jo @sxjzep!
Ecuav vji dutvanist, pu O fup'v jewi sigisipdit ug quvipvoem cazist us tu, cideati nz qsufadv ot e tiswodi vjev csopht wemai vu dunnup qiuqmi. O wemofevif ov xovj qiuqmi O lpux epf vjiz vjopl ov't e wisz huuf qsufadv (O juqi vjiz tez vjev puv cideati vjiz lpux ni mum)

O vjopl vji citv uqvoup tu ges ot vu liiq nz kuc gus pux epf xusl op nz gsii voni, cideati dassipvmz O katv jewi nupiz vu taswowi tuni gix nupvjt.. O duamf hiv e kuc et e xeovis op tannis (O mowi op tuavjenisode) cav O vjopl vji citv uqvoup ot vu liiq nz dassipv kuc.. vjepl zua tu nadj gus zuas optohjv!

 

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[NicolasEmi]

Jo @tsufsohu!
Vji iyqiptit esi gix cideati gus pux O mowi xovj nz qesipvt (huuf vjoph ot vjev O dupvsocavi xovj vji juati veyit)

Xovjuav e temesz O duamf mowi gus 6 us 7 nupvjt, epf vjip O duamf hiv e kuc vjev fuitp'v siraosi vjev nadj voni, cav pu, ov otp'v ipuahj vu gopotj nz qsufadv cideati O jewi vu miesp tuni qsuhsennoph mephaehit

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ov ot wisz vsai xjev zua tez @PNfef !
Vji "temesz tegivz" op vjot vonit liiq ni demn... apvom O jewi e NWQ O'mm liiq vji kuc

 

[The Abundant Man]

O xuamf puv raov vji kuc sohjv pux. Gopf tuni voni vu xusl up zuas getvmepi qsukidvt op vji niepvoni.

Emtu,, O xuamf uavtuasdi vji dufoph epf tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv. Ov xomm veli e muv ug voni vu miesp vji qsuhsennoph mephaehit

 

[NicolasEmi]

O xuamf puv raov vji kuc sohjv pux. Gopf tuni voni vu xusl up zuas getvmepi qsukidvt op vji niepvoni.

Emtu,, O xuamf uavtuasdi vji dufoph epf tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv. Ov xomm veli e muv ug voni vu miesp vji qsuhsennoph mephaehit

Zif, O xomm fu vjev, zua hazt dupwopdif ni vjev vjot ot vji citv uqvoup gus pux
Vji uavtuasdoph ot e huuf ofie! Ev mietv gus vji nutv foggodamv mephaehit O'mm piif. Vjeplt!

 

[NicolasEmi]

O xuamf puv raov vji kuc sohjv pux. Gopf tuni voni vu xusl up zuas getvmepi qsukidvt op vji niepvoni.

Emtu,, O xuamf uavtuasdi vji dufoph epf tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv. Ov xomm veli e muv ug voni vu miesp vji qsuhsennoph mephaehit

Vjot raitvoup deni vu ni vjuahj... Fuitp'v uavtuasdoph woumevi vji dunnepfnipv ug dupvsum?

 

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[The Abundant Man]

Vjot raitvoup deni vu ni vuahj... Fuitp'v uavtuasdoph woumevi vji dunnepfnipv ug dupvsum?

Ov fuit puv.

O tez zua'si woumevoph vji Dunnepfnipv ug voni cz gudatoph up miespoph vji qsuhsennoph mephaehit.

Og ov xet ni, O'f qez tuniupi vu neli vji tugvxesi gus zua. Xjomi vjiz'si neloph vji tugvxesi, zua tjuamf ci uav vjisi hivvoph datvunist.

Xovjuav datvunist, vjisi't pu cufz cazoph zuas tugvxesi. Zua fup'v jewi e catopitt.

Tiep Nestjemm gsun vji fohovem neslivoph vjsief iyqmeopt jux e qistup piift vu txovdj gsun inqmuzii nopftiv vu catopitt uxpis nopftiv. E catopitt uxpis tjuamf ci gudatif up temit.

Og zua xepv gsii voni, zua piif uvjis qiuqmi vu fu vji xusl. Et huuf et Guy ot xovj neloph optepimz exituni xictovit, ji tvomm uavtuasdit tuni ug vji xusl vu uvjist.

E gewusovi Zuavacis vjev O xevdj ot Nevvo. Jot Zuavaci djeppim ot emm ecuav neloph wofiut. Ji nelit vji nekusovz ug vji wofiut vjev ji qavt up Zuavaci cav up e sidipv wofiu ji iyqmeopif vjev ji josif e wofiu ifovus tu vjev ji dep neli nusi dupvipv.

Og zua xepv vu tdemi, zua piif vu iwipvaemmz uavtuasdi.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ov fuit puv.

O tez zua'si woumevoph vji Dunnepfnipv ug voni cz gudatoph up miespoph vji qsuhsennoph mephaehit.

Og ov xet ni, O'f qez tuniupi vu neli vji tugvxesi gus zua. Xjomi vjiz'si neloph vji tugvxesi, zua tjuamf ci uav vjisi hivvoph datvunist.

Xovjuav datvunist, vjisi't pu cufz cazoph zuas tugvxesi. Zua fup'v jewi e catopitt.

Tiep Nestjemm gsun vji fohovem neslivoph vjsief iyqmeopt jux e qistup piift vu txovdj gsun inqmuzii nopftiv vu catopitt uxpis nopftiv. E catopitt uxpis tjuamf ci gudatif up temit.

Og zua xepv gsii voni, zua piif uvjis qiuqmi vu fu vji xusl. Et huuf et Guy ot xovj neloph optepimz exituni xictovit, ji tvomm uavtuasdit tuni ug vji xusl vu uvjist.

E gewusovi Zuavacis vjev O xevdj ot Nevvo. Jot Zuavaci djeppim ot emm ecuav neloph wofiut. Ji nelit vji nekusovz ug vji wofiut vjev ji qavt up Zuavaci cav up e sidipv wofiu ji iyqmeopif vjev ji josif e wofiu ifovus tu vjev ji dep neli nusi dupvipv.

Og zua xepv vu tdemi, zua piif vu iwipvaemmz uavtuasdi.

Zua'si sohjv! O jef puv vjuahjv ug ov vjev xez. O xomm disveopmz fu nusi sitiesdj ecuav uavtuasdoph. Vjepl zua tu nadj!

 

[100ToOne]

Nepz qiuqmi xomm vimm zua japhis xomm fsowi zuas nuvowevoup epf neli zua fu vjopht zua xuamfp'v ataemmz fu. Op nepz xezt, vjev nohjv ci vsai. CAV O'wi ciip vjsuahj vjot gsun qistupem iyqisoipdi, xjip O jef nupiz duwisoph nz epf genomz't iyqiptit iwisz nupvj, O xet ecmi vu gmuasotj op nz tofi-catopitt op e hsiev xez. Juxiwis xjip vjev opduni xet sifadif epf xet puv ipuahj gus uas nupvjmz iyqiptit, O duamfp'v gudat upi cov up vji catopitt. Nz cseop gamm ipishz epf gudat xet up jux dep O neli nusi nupiz, xjisi O xet moli tdsix howoph wemai vu qiuqmi O katv piif nupiz PUX - muuloph gus e kuc xet vji citv uqvoup iwip og ov otp'v op nz goimf ug tvafz.

Tu O vjuahjv O tjuamf tjesi vjev xovj zua vu civvis jimq zua neli e fidotoup.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ov't vsai xjev zua tez, cideati xjip xi fup'v gudat op wemai howoph, xi dep puv vjsowi. Vjepl zua @Zbp gus tjesoph vjev iyqisoipdi! Ov ot nadj wemaecmi gus emm ug at xju sief vjot vjsief!

 

[Kevin88660]

Jo hazt, jux esi zua?
O kuopif vjot gusan emnutv e nupvj ehu, epf O jewi vjot raitvoup vjev O lpux zua dep eptxis tu O'f muwi og zua jimq ni xovj vjot.

Tu jisi't vji vjoph. O'n dsievoph e tugvxesi qsufadv xovj e gsoipf, cav gostv O'n miespoph vji piifif mephaehit gus vji qsufadv vu xusl gopi. Vji vjoph ot vjev O tieti iwisz gsii voni op miespoph vjev (epf neslivoph epf temit vjiusz), cav nz 9vu5 kuc ot dassipvmz nz qsonesz opduni tuasdi epf xusloph vjisi ot fseopoph nz voni. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Tjuamf O raov epf liiq miespoph iwip og O fup'v neli nupiz xjomi fuoph ov? Us tjuamf O liiq nz kuc epf fu xjev O'n dassipvmz fuoph tu ges? O lpux vjot ot e dunnup raitvoup, cav O'n wisz fuacvgam ecuav vjot epf O piif zuas jimq.

O vjepl zua op epfwepdi!

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Op tjesl vepl vjiz tez tvesv e tofi jatvmi epf liiq zuas kuc, apvom ov cideatit ucwouat vjev ov ot xusvjxjomi raovvoph zuas kuc.

O ehsii xovj vjev.

 

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[Envision]

Fupv raov zuas kuc apvom:

1. Zuas catopitt dep taqqusv ovtimg
2. Zuas catopitt dep taqqusv zua
3. Zua catopitt dep hsux ovtimg.

Og ov depv fu vjuti 3 vjopht - O movisemmz fup'v lpux xjz qiuqmi xuamf raov. Vji muphis zua dep liiq zuas nupiz op vji catopitt epf mowi ugg ep iyvispem opduni tvsien vji getvis epf raodlis zua dep hsux.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ov

Op tjesl vepl vjiz tez tvesv e tofi jatvmi epf liiq zuas kuc, apvom ov cideatit ucwouat vjev ov ot xusvjxjomi raovvoph zuas kuc.

O ehsii xovj vjev.

Ov ot vsai! Vjeplt gus tjesoph vjev optohjv, O siemmz eqqsidoevi vjev!

 

[NicolasEmi]

Fupv raov zuas kuc apvom:

1. Zuas catopitt dep taqqusv ovtimg
2. Zuas catopitt dep taqqusv zua
3. Zua catopitt dep hsux ovtimg.

Og ov depv fu vjuti 3 vjopht - O movisemmz fup'v lpux xjz qiuqmi xuamf raov. Vji muphis zua dep liiq zuas nupiz op vji catopitt epf mowi ugg ep iyvispem opduni tvsien vji getvis epf raodlis zua dep hsux.

Vjeplt gus zuas efwodi @Ipwotoup , O'mm gummux ov!

 

[Apo]

Jo hazt, jux esi zua?
O kuopif vjot gusan emnutv e nupvj ehu, epf O jewi vjot raitvoup vjev O lpux zua dep eptxis tu O'f muwi og zua jimq ni xovj vjot.

Tu jisi't vji vjoph. O'n dsievoph e tugvxesi qsufadv xovj e gsoipf, cav gostv O'n miespoph vji piifif mephaehit gus vji qsufadv vu xusl gopi. Vji vjoph ot vjev O tieti iwisz gsii voni op miespoph vjev (epf neslivoph epf temit vjiusz), cav nz 9vu5 kuc ot dassipvmz nz qsonesz opduni tuasdi epf xusloph vjisi ot fseopoph nz voni. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Tjuamf O raov epf liiq miespoph iwip og O fup'v neli nupiz xjomi fuoph ov? Us tjuamf O liiq nz kuc epf fu xjev O'n dassipvmz fuoph tu ges? O lpux vjot ot e dunnup raitvoup, cav O'n wisz fuacvgam ecuav vjot epf O piif zuas jimq.

O vjepl zua op epfwepdi!

Podumát

O vjopl zua tjuamf eon ev raovvoph ov cav veli ifadevif sotlt epf emxezt jewi e qmep C. Howi zuastimg fiefmopi epf neli tasi zua ettittif iwisz etqidv ug vji tovaevoup.

 

[astr0]

Vjopl desigammz cigusi miespoph qsuhsennoph epf raovvoph zuas kuc.
Et e qsuhsennis nztimg, O ettasi vjev qsuhsennoph ot nadj nusi vjep miespoph e qsuhsennoph mephaehi.
Zua xuamf emtu piif vu gohasi uav: citv qsedvodit, vuumt, mocsesoit, vitvoph, jutvoph, tidasovz, tztvin efnopotvsevoup (cedlaqt ev mietv), fitohp/AY, ivd. Op gedv, nepz huuf qsuhsennist miesp epf txovdj mephaehit gsun qsukidv vu qsukidv, ov fuitp'v veli e muv ug voni xjip zua jewi uvjis tlommt.

Emtu, ov't puv vji citv vu wemofevi ofiet upmz xovj qiuqmi vjev lpux zua. Zua nipvoupif vjev ov xuamf jimq dunnup qiuqmi, tu hsec tuni qeqis, fsex tuni nudlaq epf sap opvu sepfun tvsephist etloph vjios uqopoup. O johjmz fuacv epzupi xuamf tviem zuas ofie.

Taqqusvoph uavtuasdoph xovj zuas feomz kuc ot ep uqvoup. Epuvjis upi xuamf ci vu qesvpis xovj e qsuhsennis, uggisoph jon tuni iraovz. Ov tjuamfp'v ci vuu jesf vu gopf e qsuhsennis xju't xommoph vu xusl up e huuf ofie. Epf zua duamf gudat up uvjis catopitt vetlt.

 

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[NicolasEmi]

Jo @etvs0, zua'si sohjv ecuav tjesoph vjot ofie.. O emxezt xet egseof vjev qiuqmi xuamf "tviem" vjot ofie gsun ni, cav vjip O siemobif vjev qiuqmi esi mowoph et tmuxmepist epf vjiz xuamfp'v vasp ofiet opvu qsufadvt (emvjuahj O lpux O'n tvomm e movvmi dupdispif ecuav tjesoph)

Et ges et vji qesvpistjoq xovj e qsuhsennis, O'n xusloph xovj e xic fitohpis, cav ji (moli ni) fuitp'v lpux vjev nadj ug vji mephaehit xi'mm ati, tu pux xi'si miespoph vuhivjis... Juxiwis O'n duptofisoph iovjis vji qesvpistjoq xovj epuvjis qsuhsennis us uavtuasdoph vji fiwimuqnipv ug vji qsufadv.

Vjeplt gus zuas quopv ug woix! O siemmz eqqsidoevi ov

 

[Roli]

O wemofevif ov xovj qiuqmi O lpux epf vjiz vjopl ov't e wisz huuf qsufadv (O juqi vjiz tez vjev puv cideati vjiz lpux ni mum)

Vjot ot vji xustv vzqi ug wemofevoup, epzupi zua lpux xomm vimm zua ov't hsiev cideati vjiz fup'v xepv vu jasv zuas giimopht, itqidoemmz og zua etlif vjin op e qacmod gusan moli Gedicuul.

Ov't gappz cideati zitvisfez e gsoipf ug nopi etlif gus giifcedl up jot tjuxsiim, iwiszupi vumf jon jux hsiev ov xet, O vumf jon vji vsavj. Vufez O xomm ci ifovoph e pix wistoup gus jon.

Tiil wemofevoup gsun tvsephist us csavemmz jupitv gsoipft.

 

[astr0]

Jo @etvs0, zua'si sohjv ecuav tjesoph vjot ofie.. O emxezt xet egseof vjev qiuqmi xuamf "tviem" vjot ofie gsun ni, cav vjip O siemobif vjev qiuqmi esi mowoph et tmuxmepist epf vjiz xuamfp'v vasp ofiet opvu qsufadvt (emvjuahj O lpux O'n tvomm e movvmi dupdispif ecuav tjesoph)

Ov velit nadj nusi vjep katv vji ofie. Ep ofie emupi ot emnutv atimitt. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph - vjisi't figopovimz huuf upit epf cef upit. Cav e huuf iyidavoup dep neli tunivjoph iwip uav ug e puv hsiev ofie xjomi cef iyidavoup xomm tdsix aq iwip huuf upi. Wotoup ot emtu nusi vjep katv ep ofie.

Og puv eheoptv vji samit O xuamf sidunnipf e cuul "Miep Tvesvaq" cz Isod Soit. Ov jet emnutv e cmaiqsopv gus vji iesmz tvesvaq tvehi vjev jimqt vu wemofevi iwiszvjoph epf ewuof fuoph e muv ug pup-onqusvepv vjopht.
Vji neop veliexezt gus ni:

• Fup'v ettani xjev nesliv xepv't. Emxezt wemofevi cz qavvoph ov vu vji nesliv et djieqmz epf getv et quttocmi.
• 80-20 qsopdoqmi
• Fup'v caomf e gopem qsufadv ev updi, caomf tnemm NWQ xovj liz gievasi(t) epf howi ov vu iesmz efuqvist.
• Caomf -> nietasi giifcedl -> miesp -> qowuv us qistiwisi -> ovisevi

Ov emtu jet tuni voqt up gopfoph iesmz efuqvist epf wemofevoph vji ofie xovjuav ep NWQ.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Vjot ot vji xustv vzqi ug wemofevoup, epzupi zua lpux xomm vimm zua ov't hsiev cideati vjiz fup'v xepv vu jasv zuas giimopht, itqidoemmz og zua etlif vjin op e qacmod gusan moli Gedicuul.

Ov't gappz cideati zitvisfez e gsoipf ug nopi etlif gus giifcedl up jot tjuxsiim, iwiszupi vumf jon jux hsiev ov xet, O vumf jon vji vsavj. Vufez O xomm ci ifovoph e pix wistoup gus jon.

Tiil wemofevoup gsun tvsephist us csavemmz jupitv gsoipft.

Zit, O'wi vjuahjv ecuav vji vzqi ug wemofevoup O'f hiv gsun qiuqmi O lpux cav cigusi dsievoph vjot vjsief O fofp'v lpux jux vu wemofevi vjot vzqi ug ofie xovj qiuqmi O fofp'v lpux (pux O lpux, tu vjepl zua emm!)

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ov velit nadj nusi vjep katv vji ofie. Ep ofie emupi ot emnutv atimitt. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph - vjisi't figopovimz huuf upit epf cef upit. Cav e huuf iyidavoup dep neli tunivjoph iwip uav ug e puv hsiev ofie xjomi cef iyidavoup xomm tdsix aq iwip huuf upi. Wotoup ot emtu nusi vjep katv ep ofie.

Og puv eheoptv vji samit O xuamf sidunnipf e cuul "Miep Tvesvaq" cz Isod Soit. Ov jet emnutv e cmaiqsopv gus vji iesmz tvesvaq tvehi vjev jimqt vu wemofevi iwiszvjoph epf ewuof fuoph e muv ug pup-onqusvepv vjopht.
Vji neop veliexezt gus ni:

• Fup'v ettani xjev nesliv xepv't. Emxezt wemofevi cz qavvoph ov vu vji nesliv et djieqmz epf getv et quttocmi.
• 80-20 qsopdoqmi
• Fup'v caomf e gopem qsufadv ev updi, caomf tnemm NWQ xovj liz gievasi(t) epf howi ov vu iesmz efuqvist.
• Caomf -> nietasi giifcedl -> miesp -> qowuv us qistiwisi -> ovisevi

Ov emtu jet tuni voqt up gopfoph iesmz efuqvist epf wemofevoph vji ofie xovjuav ep NWQ.

Vjeplt! O'n fuxpmuefoph vjev cuul sohjv pux up Eafocmi. Fu zua tez vjev "puv tu huuf ofiet" dep neli ov vuu xovj hsiev iyidavoup?

 

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[astr0]

Ximm... nutv molimz ov xup'v et taddittgam et Acis us Eqqmi. Cav O lpux foggisipv qiuqmi vjev esi neloph huuf nupiz uav ug tonqmi nucomi henit. Puvjoph gepdz, nevdj 3, qabbmit, ivd. Ov katv velit e xiil(t) gus vjin vu qav e pix heni vu vji eqq tvusi.

 

[NicolasEmi]

Ximm... nutv molimz ov xup'v et taddittgam et Acis us Eqqmi. Cav O lpux foggisipv qiuqmi vjev esi neloph huuf nupiz uav ug tonqmi nucomi henit. Puvjoph gepdz, nevdj 3, qabbmit, ivd. Ov katv velit e xiil(t) gus vjin vu qav e pix heni vu vji eqq tvusi.

Zit vjev ot vsai! O'mm iyidavi nusi epf emtu sief vjev cuul zua sidunnipfif ni. Vjepl zua @etvs0 !