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So, I was a little debated on whether I should post this, because me and my friend started this just last week,


Basically, sometime at the begining-ish of the month, I was like "man....america is getting s**tier and s**tier everyday, where can people go when everything is this shi**y(or is gonna be in a few year)", so BAM

The Idea of a new country was born, then I contacted my mate on discord and luckily, he didnt like the way the world was goning either, so for the past week-ish, we have researching and taking notes on how to get territory, the departments(i.e Transit Department).

This morning we decided on the type of government our country will be and yea, I'm very impress. I know it will probably take a decade or more but yea, I'm excited
 

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As someone that has given this way too much thought for my own sanity… Borders are drawn with guns bro. Every country exists because it was claimed and subsequently protected by force.

Governments are the only true land owners on earth.

No one is willingly going to let you just have a country, especially not the “transit department.”

You want a country? You’ll have to take one, or part of one, by force.
 
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Borders are drawn with guns bro. Every country that is currently a country exists because it was claimed and subsequently protected by force.

Governments are the only true land owners on earth.

No one is willingly going to let you just have a country, especially not the “transit department.”
What I meant was research the departments we would want in our country(like the united states has the department of agriculture and department of homeland security) and actually there are 3 other ways to get territory without violence; 1.) claim an unclaimed island, 2.) find unclaimed territory between 2 nations, and 3.) bui;ld an artificial island. While violence is probaly the best answer and what we wil probaly do, there are certainly ways other than violence
 

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No offense but if I lived in Missouri like OP, I'd be tempted to launch my own country. Oh snap, I live like 100 miles from your border, I may join too!
 

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So, I was a little debated on whether I should post this, because me and my friend started this just last week,


Basically, sometime at the begining-ish of the month, I was like "man....america is getting s**tier and s**tier everyday, where can people go when everything is this shi**y(or is gonna be in a few year)", so BAM

The Idea of a new country was born, then I contacted my mate on discord and luckily, he didnt like the way the world was goning either, so for the past week-ish, we have researching and taking notes on how to get territory, the departments(i.e Transit Department).

This morning we decided on the type of government our country will be and yea, I'm very impress. I know it will probably take a decade or more but yea, I'm excited
Before you do all that:

Read Milton's Paradise Lost
Then Plato's Republic
Then Orwell's Animal Farm

Then realise there's one absolute certainty.

You will become the monster you're trying to escape.

Of course you'll say you won't.


But you will.
 

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Voluntaryism aka anarcho-capitalism but with a name that doesn't make the ignoramus screech "who will build the roads???"

Thanks @Tourmaline for the gem. This is what anarchy looks like to the uninitiated.

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No one is going to 'give you' their land, BUT
Charter Cities are a thing. And there is a growing (albeit still tiny) amount of interest in this

Roatan, Honduras: Prospera

There are others developing as well. It's starting, now.
But, e-residency will likely be a thing, and I dream of a day when I can be a voluntary citizen of some place.
Pay a flat annual fee, and I stay as long as I want, as long as the government serves the people, not itself.

*that* is ultimate freedom.
 

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What I meant was research the departments we would want in our country(like the united states has the department of agriculture and department of homeland security) and actually there are 3 other ways to get territory without violence; 1.) claim an unclaimed island, 2.) find unclaimed territory between 2 nations, and 3.) bui;ld an artificial island. While violence is probaly the best answer and what we wil probaly do, there are certainly ways other than violence

>What I meant was research the departments we would want in our country
You have a very sophisticated understanding of political science and organizational challenges.

Seriously, though, even though what you're saying here is potato, if this exercise helps you gain better critical thinking skills and a better understanding of how government works, then good for you. Go read some Rothbard. Then maybe you can join the sea-steading community.
 

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No one is going to 'give you' their land, BUT
Charter Cities are a thing. And there is a growing (albeit still tiny) amount of interest in this

Roatan, Honduras: Prospera

There are others developing as well. It's starting, now.
But, e-residency will likely be a thing, and I dream of a day when I can be a voluntary citizen of some place.
Pay a flat annual fee, and I stay as long as I want, as long as the government serves the people, not itself.

*that* is ultimate freedom.

I lived in La Ceiba, Honduras which is the city where the ferries to Roatan depart from on the main land. The island is amazing, loved visiting there. Honduras is such a complicated country but beautiful country with an incredibly low cost of living, I could see doing my last 20 years on Roatan in a community like this.
 

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I lived in La Ceiba, Honduras which is the city where the ferries to Roatan depart from on the main land. The island is amazing, loved visiting there. Honduras is such a complicated country but beautiful country with an incredibly low cost of living, I could see doing my last 20 years on Roatan in a community like this.

Roatan is the definition of laid back island living. I used to hang out in Pristine Bay a couple weeks a year.
 

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>What I meant was research the departments we would want in our country
You have a very sophisticated understanding of political science and organizational challenges.

Seriously, though, even though what you're saying here is potato, if this exercise helps you gain better critical thinking skills and a better understanding of how government works, then good for you. Go read some Rothbard. Then maybe you can join the sea-steading community.
I honestly think seasteading is going to be the new frontier of prosperity.
 

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Roatan is the definition of laid back island living. I used to hang out in Pristine Bay a couple weeks a year.

I've never been that way, I used to just stay in West End. I was a teacher/coach in La Ceiba and one of my former athletes is the mayor of Roatan which is crazy as its narco central and must be a tough gig.

Have you ever been to Utila, a small sister island of Roatan, its more a backpacker place but is really cool as so small and is like a pirate town.
 

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No one is going to 'give you' their land, BUT
Charter Cities are a thing. And there is a growing (albeit still tiny) amount of interest in this

Roatan, Honduras: Prospera

There are others developing as well. It's starting, now.
But, e-residency will likely be a thing, and I dream of a day when I can be a voluntary citizen of some place.
Pay a flat annual fee, and I stay as long as I want, as long as the government serves the people, not itself.

*that* is ultimate freedom.

Wow that is a fascinating website.
Thanks for sharing.
 

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I love this... where did it come from?

haha if only there was more of it!
I honestly think seasteading is going to be the new frontier of prosperity.

There's something...troubling?...about seasteading that I can't quite put my finger on. Maybe I just fear the awesome power of the ocean too much to want to try and achieve stability. Although, I think being underwater would be more viable than overwater. I'd much like to avoid tsunamis and hurricanes.

In other words, I'd like to actually live in Atlantis. Except one under the ocean like it belongs, and not in a mountain protected by a mirage :smile2:
 

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haha if only there was more of it!


There's something...troubling?...about seasteading that I can't quite put my finger on. Maybe I just fear the awesome power of the ocean too much to want to try and achieve stability. Although, I think being underwater would be more viable than overwater. I'd much like to avoid tsunamis and hurricanes.

In other words, I'd like to actually live in Atlantis. Except one under the ocean like it belongs, and not in a mountain protected by a mirage :smile2:
I would agree it would be involve a revolution of violence. While I'm a peaceful warrior, it's simply a fact that even peace keepers can't keep wars under control and still drive around in vehicles and have weapons. People are idiots already in 2021 if you watch the news.

Not to mention people on the grid get yanked around with restrictions, rules, regulations, policies, and procedures time to time.
 

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I would agree it would be involve a revolution of violence. While I'm a peaceful warrior, it's simply a fact that even peace keepers can't keep wars under control and still drive around in vehicles and have weapons. People are idiots already in 2021 if you watch the news.

Not to mention people on the grid get yanked around with restrictions, rules, regulations, policies, and procedures time to time.

The further centralization of power and increased authoritarianism increases how stupid people are allowed to be by transferring responsibility and thinking from the people to the government(or whatever authority).

People are dumb -> Use government to prevent people from being dumb for their own goods -> Makes people dumber -> Requires further government to prevent people from being dumb for their own goods -> etc

And all that said, people in general are smart and/or have the capacity to be smart. And by being smart I mean make objectively good decisions for themselves.

However, they must be allowed to be responsible for themselves and at the very least attempt to make the best decisions for themselves. Or else stupidity will be perpetuated and exacerbated until the society implodes and/or is dominated from one that has not yet forgotten what is good and valued.
 

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There's something...troubling?...about seasteading that I can't quite put my finger on. Maybe I just fear the awesome power of the ocean too much to want to try and achieve stability. Although, I think being underwater would be more viable than overwater. I'd much like to avoid tsunamis and hurricanes.

In other words, I'd like to actually live in Atlantis. Except one under the ocean like it belongs, and not in a mountain protected by a mirage :smile2:

 

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As someone that has given this way too much thought for my own sanity… Borders are drawn with guns bro. Every country exists because it was claimed and subsequently protected by force.

Governments are the only true land owners on earth.

No one is willingly going to let you just have a country, especially not the “transit department.”

You want a country? You’ll have to take one, or part of one, by force.
Or just make a corporation that does the colonization or border-claiming (with guns)

Historic examples are the Dutch East India Company (also one of the first corporations to ever issue stock to the public) and British East India Company (did much conquering of India until the Crown took over).

Today corporations can still make empires of their own via massive brands and acquisitions...and they don't use guns or even need to 'rule' countries in the strictest sense.
 

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Looking for a free land? There is one:

Antarctica

1)Solar panels can work 24h during summer months, but winter will be a challenge.
2)Unlimited supply of fresh water.
3)No polar bears.
4)Free seal blubber.
5)You can sell Penguin McNuggets.

Is somebody here a civil engineer?
 

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