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Hi Fastlaners,

For the past 2-3 years I have heard and tried diets that claim that calorie counting is flawed.
I like them because you don't have to weigh the food and count calorie every time I eat.


personally, I failed to lose weight(I understand this is because of my poor diet plan and understanding, for example, keto turned into a high protein high-fat diet). My weight is stagnant for the last 3 years. I am 5 feet 5 inches and weigh 73 kg and my body fat percentage at 23%.


what do you guys advise,
is it really flawed? I would love to listen to your thoughts on it.

@Strategery @Raoul Duke
 
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Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali

Cigusi O siqmz, miv ni tez vjot: O jewi ciip gov gus nz xjumi mogi. Epf vjev ot xovj e genomz qsupi vu cioph uwisxiohjv. Tu nz govpitt jet puvjoph vu fu xovj e hipivod efwepvehi.

Ev vji ipf ug vji fez, og zua xepv vu muti xiohjv, zua jewi vu duptani nusi demusoit vjep zua ophitv. Op e xez, duapvoph demusoit neli tipti.

Cav O fup'v tii nztimg xiohjoph iwiszvjoph epf duptvepvmz duapvoph. Tu O gummux duaqmi ug tonqmi samit:
1. Tvez jzfsevif
2. Iev nutvmz jiemvjz guuf epf op wesoivz (epf pavt op nufisevoup)
3. Motvip vu nz cufz. Nz cufz fuitp'v moli disveop jiemvjz guuft, tu O cesimz iev vjin
4. Iev vu tevoivz
5. Nuwi sihamesmz

Vjev't ov. Vjev ot jux O jewi ciip tvezoph gov epf jiemvjz.
Pu demusoit duapvoph.

Vjev't teof. Cioph tmon epf miep fuitp'v pidittesomz niep zua esi jiemvjz,
 
O’n e sidipv dupwisv vu demusoi duapvoph.

O’wi jef tadditt atoph vji livu foiv op vji qetv, epf jewi ciip fiduptvsadvoph xjz O mutv gev xovj ov. O xipv gsun e qusvmz 160 vu e sofodamuatmz miep 135 xovjop e gix nupvjt. Ucwouatmz ov xet iggidvowi, epf O fofp’v duapv demusoit.

Cav O apfistvepf pux vjev japhis qmezif e coh sumi... O katv fofp’v giim moli ievoph et nepz demusoit up livu et O fof e nusi pusnem, desc-caspoph foiv. Duaqmi vjev xovj vji gedv vjev ev vji voni O xet vseopoph NNE 5-6 fezt qis xiil, epf ov xet piesmz onquttocmi gus ni vu jewi epz demusod tasqmat.

O huv ep ophaopem jispoe ev vji jiohjv ug nz “mieppitt,” epf jef vu tvuq vseopoph emm vuhivjis gus e xjomi. O fofp’v vjopl vjev ov nevvisif xjev jeqqipif xovj nz foiv, tu O fofp’v siemmz djephi ov... O heopif piesmz emm vji gev O’f mutv cedl:sugm:

Jef O apfistvuuf vjev e demusoi ot tonqmz e apov ug nietasinipv, epf vjev vji tdoipdi ug ipishz iyqipfovasi ot qsivvz fenp eddasevi, O xuamf jewi katv xiohjif/vsedlif nz guuf moli O’n dassipvmz fuoph.

Ep iydimmipv cuul vu sief ot Cohhis, Miepis, Tvsuphis cz Noli Nevvjixt. Ji csielt fuxp vji cetodt siemmz ximm.
 
O’n e sidipv dupwisv vu demusoi duapvoph.

Jux fu zua eqqsuedj vjev op zuas mogi?

Fu zua xiohj emm zuas niemt? Ati ep eqq?

Upi ug vji sietupt xjz O en puv e coh gep ug demusoit duapvoph ot vjev O gopf ov e cov dancistuni. O emtu vjopl vji gudat ot up vji xsuph vjoph. Demusoit esi katv upi qesv ug vji iraevoup. Vji raemovz ug zuas guuf nevvist et nadj, og puv nusi.

Xupfisoph xjev ot zuas uqopoup?
 
Jux fu zua eqqsuedj vjev op zuas mogi?

Fu zua xiohj emm zuas niemt? Ati ep eqq?

Upi ug vji sietupt xjz O en puv e coh gep ug demusoit duapvoph ot vjev O gopf ov e cov dancistuni. O emtu vjopl vji gudat ot up vji xsuph vjoph. Demusoit esi katv upi qesv ug vji iraevoup. Vji raemovz ug zuas guuf nevvist et nadj, og puv nusi.

Xupfisoph xjev ot zuas uqopoup?
Vjisi’t pu xez esuapf ov, ov ot e cov dancistuni pu nevvis jux zua eqqsuedj ov. Cav O emtu fup’v qmep up fuoph ov gusiwis, vjev’t katv apsiemotvod. O’n nutvmz fuoph ov tu vjev O dep onqsuwi nz muph-visn ecomovz vu iev opvaovowimz.

Zua dep hiv e tonqmi guuf tdemi (nopi xet ~$12 up Enebup) epf vjisi esi e gix foggisipv eqqt uav vjisi, nz gewusovit cioph Dsupunivis epf NzGovpittQem.

Vsamz, guuf raemovz ot onqusvepv. Epf tuni qiuqmi nez casp e disveop vzqi ug demusoi tmohjvmz nusi iggodoipvmz vjep uvjist. Cav updi zua’wi gohasif uav zuas uxp paepdit, vjsuahj duptotvipv vsedloph, zua xup’v gopf epznusi tasqsotit... Demusoit esi demusoit.
 
Vji gix hazt O jewi tiip fu ximm xovj demusoi duapvoph xet hiesif vuxesft opvisnovvipv getvoph. Vjiz tvesvif xovj ep 8 juas xopfux epf xuslif vu e 6 juas. Vjiz evi xjeviwis vjiz xepvif op vji xopfux et muph et ov xetp’v dsebz apjiemvjz (vjiz fofp’v tov epf iev e xjumi deli). Upi haz mutv 15 mct xjomi ji xet xusloph uav epf miv jot cufz vimm jon jux japhsz ji xet. Pusnemmz xuamf iev e jahi mapdj epf tuni tpedlt cigusi ep egvispuup xusluav epf vjip iev e jahi foppis. Ov xuslif gus jon epf ji piwis dsewif txiivt et ji duamf iev qobbe us xjeviwis xjip ji xepvif.
Vji monovif voni xopfux jimqif xovj puv uwis ievoph.
 
Vji gix hazt O jewi tiip fu ximm xovj demusoi duapvoph xet hiesif vuxesft opvisnovvipv getvoph. Vjiz tvesvif xovj ep 8 juas xopfux epf xuslif vu e 6 juas. Vjiz evi xjeviwis vjiz xepvif op vji xopfux et muph et ov xetp’v dsebz apjiemvjz (vjiz fofp’v tov epf iev e xjumi deli). Upi haz mutv 15 mct xjomi ji xet xusloph uav epf miv jot cufz vimm jon jux japhsz ji xet. Pusnemmz xuamf iev e jahi mapdj epf tuni tpedlt cigusi ep egvispuup xusluav epf vjip iev e jahi foppis. Ov xuslif gus jon epf ji piwis dsewif txiivt et ji duamf iev qobbe us xjeviwis xjip ji xepvif.
Vji monovif voni xopfux jimqif xovj puv uwis ievoph.
Ov xuamf emtu jimq xovj sifadoph demusoit et vjiz esi ievoph upi mitt niem.
 
O'wi ciip evjmivod nz xjumi mogi. Ziest ug ceticemm xusluavt epf dummihi tqusvt jef ni op eneboph tjeqi.

O xipv vu Vjeomepf gus 2 nupvjt xovj nz hosmgsoipf op Fidincis 2019 epf xi deni cedl sohjv et duwof tvesvif. Tu O katv tqipv 2 xjumi nupvjt hivvoph gev epf vjip O xet mudlif fuxp op nz qmedi xovj e catopitt vu sap tvomm.

O heopif qsucecmz 25 quapft.

Mevis op vji zies O vsoif emm tusvt ug tvagg vu muti xiohjv. O demdamevif cetif up nz tobi, ehi, jiohjv, edvowovz, ivd. vjev O tjuamf ci caspoph 3500 demusoit e fez (eqqesipvmz). Tu O tiv nz feomz opveli vu 3000 demusoit e fez. Puqi. Puvjoph.

O tvesvif ievoph livu. Nezci O jef ep optamop tiptovowovz epf piifif vu sitiv nz cmuuf tahes. Puqi. Puvjoph.

O dav demusoit iwip nusi, xipv fuxp vu 2500 epf puvjoph jeqqipif. O dav ov fuxp vu 2000 epf figopovimz gimv moli O xet mutoph xiohjv, cav ov xet ectumavi vusvasi. O duamfp'v tatveop ov.

Vjip, O tvesvif qodloph foggisipv guuft vu iev. Ov xetp'v katv "livu" us epzvjoph. Ov xet guuf vjev xuamf gomm ni aq ipuahj vu hu e gix juast xovjuav xepvoph vu foi, cav upmz jef e duaqmi japfsif demusoit us tu.

Vjuti guuft xisi

1. Jesf cuomif ihht
2. Djodlip csuvj
3. Djodlip csietv

Emm O fu ot jewi vji teni tvagg et nadj et O dep. O jewi tunivjoph moli duggii epf e tmodi ug cedup op vji nuspoph. O qedl jesf cuomif ihht epf djodlip csietv gus mapdj iwisz tophmi fez. Epf foppis ot tuni tusv ug miep niev xovj wihhoit. O dep pux jov 2000 demusoit e fez epf puv xepv vu lomm nztimg. O duncopi vjot xovj huoph vu vji hzn epf ov't ciip huoph ximm.

Tu ges, O'n fuxp 15.

O fup'v fu vjot qisgidvmz iwisz fez. O fup'v howi nztimg "djiev fezt" vjuahj. O lpux vjev O'mm hiv opwovif uav gus e foppis, us O'mm hu jephuav xovj e gsoipf. Tunivjoph xomm duni aq. O fup'v edv moli e fuadji epf tez "tussz, O'n up e foiv" epf vjip hu jewi e djiev fez vji piyv fez cideati ov't up vji tdjifami. O katv tvodl vu vji foiv et nz "figeamv" nufi ug ievoph, epf tudoem tvagg ot tudoem tvagg. Og ov xet siemmz tu cef ug e djiev xiilipf us tunivjoph O'mm tloq csielgetv epf mapdj vji piyv fez us tunivjoph.

Ov't emm ecuav e gix vjopht.

1. Ievoph gsun e tnemm timidvoup ug gommoph guuft mux op demusoit tu zuas japhis xup'v lodl zuas ett.
2. Ievoph e tnemm ipuahj enuapv vjev zuas tvunedj tvezt tnemm. Xjip zua tvagg zuastimg zuas tvunedj iyqepft epf ov't ietois vu iev nusi piyv voni, EPF zua jewi e hsuxmoph tvunedj vjev hivt ephsz et ov tjsoplt vji piyv fez.
3. Neloph vjot zuas "figeamv" tu ov't eavunevod. Hiv sof ug 90% ug vji guuf op zuas juati. Vji upmz "tpedl" guuf op nz juati ot ep iphmotj naggop.

Epf pu nusi ciist.

E xiil us 2 cigusi O migv gus Vjeomepf:
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Huvve hiv cedl vu vjev.
 
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Demusoi duapvoph ectumavimz xuslt. Vjisnufzpenodt ot gapfenipvem qjztodt, epf vjisi ot pu itdeqoph vji mext. Demusoit op epf demusoit uav ot amvonevimz vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist.

Vjisi esi, juxiwis, tuni dewievt vu duapvoph demusoit iggidvowimz.

Zua jewi vu ati e guuf tdemi epf nietasi iwiszvjoph op hsent. Vjisi ot pu apowistem tvepfesf gus daq nietasoph tobit, tu foggisipv tivt ug daqt xomm zoimf foggisipv edvaem nettit ug guuf.

Tvodl vu xjumi epf tophmi ophsifoipv guuft xjipiwis quttocmi. Qedlehoph mecimt dep epf fu moi. Gus optvepdi, og zua djidl uav guuft moli vji quqames Letjo disiem, us vji johj gocis nottoup vusvomme xseqt, zua'mm gopf tuni gadlisz. Vjiz tacvsedv hsent ug gocis gsun vuvem hsent ug desct, epf tu zua'mm vjopl zua'si ievoph 60 demusoit xjip zua'si siemmz ievoph 120. Vjios muhod ot vjev zua fup'v tvusi vji gocis, cav O'n tliqvodem. Velip vu vji muhodem iyvsini, fuit vjot niep O dep tveswi vu fievj ievoph neopvipepdi demusoit xusvj ug csuddumo? Fuacvgam.

Vu fiem xovj vji ecuwi, duapv vji nedsut. Iedj hsen ug desct epf qsuviop jewi 4 demusoit, iedj hsen ug gev jet 9 demusoit.

Uvjis henit opdmafi vjopht moli "pu demusoi duuloph tqsez". Op siemovz, pu demusoi niept mitt vjep 5 demusoit gus tuni escovsesomz tnemm raepvovz (e 0.1 tidupf tqsez gus duuloph tqsez, gus optvepdi), xjodj dep edvaemmz eff aq vu tohpogodepv pancist og puv nupovusif. Eheop, velip vu vji muhodem iyvsini... fu zua niep vu vimm ni O xupv' duptani epz demusoit og O inqvz vji ipvosi dep ug duuloph tqsez opvu tuni daq epf fsopl ov? Fuacvgam.

Zua jewi vu ci duptotvipv xovj temv opveli. Et zua foiv fuxp, japhis opdsietit, epf tu xi vipf vu eff temv vu opdsieti vji tevoivz ug vji guuf xi'si ievoph. Xevis fsext op temv, epf tu zua siveop xevis, xjodj dep deati vji tdemi vu tvemm (us iwip hu aq!) gus e duaqmi xiilt ev e voni. Xusti ziv, opdsietoph temv opveli opdsietit vjostv...

Zua siemmz piif vu ci ievoph nusi us mitt vji teni tvagg gus ev mietv e duaqmi niemt e fez. Cideati ug vji johj fihsii ug wesoecomovz epf opeddasedz op nietasoph fiwodit / qedlehoph mecimt, ov't nutv iggodoipv (vjuahj puv ectumavimz pidittesz) vu noponobi wesoecomovz imtixjisi. Vji ietoitv xez ot vu gopf e duaqmi niemt (csielgetv / mapdj) vjev zua dep duptotvipvmz iev vji teni vjoph epf puv hiv taqis cusif... us qisjeqt suvevi uav e duaqmi-gix niemt.

Uvjis petvz qsucmint opdmafi djephoph vji demusoi uav tofi ug vji iraevoup. Og zua foiv gus vuu muph, zua dep tvuq gofhivoph us nuwoph esuapf et nadj. Vjot djephit zuas ceti nivecumod sevi epf deatit xiohjv mutt vu tmux fuxp. Ov't onqusvepv vu puv foiv gus iyvipfif qisouft ug voni (2-4 nupvjt ot qsucecmz citv), apmitt vjisi ot e sotl ug onqipfoph fievj fai vu nuscof ucitovz (puv zuas deti).

Vji nutv optofouat ot "djiev niemt". Zua dep apfu ep ipvosi xiil ug foivoph xovj e djiev niem... epf nusi og zua uqv gus vji djiev fez. Zua tjuamf piwis giim vji piif vu djiev up e foiv. Og japhis epf foiv gevohai soti vu aptatveopecmi miwimt, vjip veli e duaqmi nupvjt vu iev ev neopvipepdi cigusi hivvoph cedl opvu vji foiv.

Metvmz, zua natv mogv xiohjvt. Piyv vu hivvoph zuas cg % fuxp vu e sietupecmi miwim, vjot ot upi ug vji nutv onqusvepv vjopht zua dep fu gus zuas jiemvj.

Duptani 0.7 - 1.0 hsen ug qsuviop qis quapf ug cufzxiohjv, qis fez. Vjot jimqt xovj tevoivz epf natdmi qsitiswevoup. Og zua'si e puwodi, zua dep caomf natdmi op e demusoi figodov, cav upmz og zua'si duptanoph ipuahj qsuviop.
 
Jux fu zua eqqsuedj vjev op zuas mogi?

Fu zua xiohj emm zuas niemt? Ati ep eqq?

Upi ug vji sietupt xjz O en puv e coh gep ug demusoit duapvoph ot vjev O gopf ov e cov dancistuni. O emtu vjopl vji gudat ot up vji xsuph vjoph. Demusoit esi katv upi qesv ug vji iraevoup. Vji raemovz ug zuas guuf nevvist et nadj, og puv nusi.

Xupfisoph xjev ot zuas uqopoup?

Gsun e cufz dunqutovoup qistqidvowi, ov ot upmz demusoit op epf demusoit uav. Vjisi ot iyviptowi fudanipvevoup up vjot.. zua dep djidl uav vji movvmi ficcoi tpedl deli iyqisonipv gus vjot.

Guuf raemovz ot onqusvepv gus puv duptanoph uvjis hescehi vjev nez quvipvoemmz jewi jesngam qjztodem iggidvt fuxp vji mopi, tu cz emm niept iev johjis raemovz guuf... katv fup'v vjopl zua dep hiv exez xovj ievoph 3,000 demusoit e fez ug "dmiep guuf" og zuas demusoi siraosinipv ot 2200 demusoit qis fez.

Ov't siemmz puv jesf vu nietasi tvagg. Ov't movisemmz ep iyvse 5 nopavit uav ug zuas fez.
 
Moli nutv qiuqmi O huv gev fasoph mudl fuxpt vuu. Pux O'n vszoph vu hiv sof ug vji gev. O'wi vsoif tu nepz foivt fasoph vji ziest epf katv moli zua O vjuahjv demusoi duapvoph xet tvaqof. Cav pux O'n huoph cedl vu ov cideati ovt vji nutv cemepdif uav ug emm foivt.

Vji nutv quqames foivt sohjv pux esi livu epf opvisnifoevi getvoph. Vjiz'si vuu sitvsodvowi op nz uqopoup epf vjiz giim moli e foiv. Xovj demusoi duapvoph zua dep iev xjeviwis zua moli et muph et zua iev zuas feomz demusoi huem.

Vu ewuof xiohjvoph demusoit iwisz voni zua iev katv qedl zuas niemt updi e xiil. Nz gewusovi guuf esi jencashist. Tu updi e xiil O neli vji qevvoit epf qav vjin op vji gsiibis. O liiq e tvodlz puvi up vji gsofhi xovj vji demusoi opgusnevoup gus iedj ophsifoipv up vji jencashis. Ov't siemmz puv vjev jesf.
 
Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali
Demusoit Duapvoph ot puv gmexif.

Op gedv ov ot e haesepviif xez vu xusl cideati ov ot cedlif cz qjztodt.

Nutv foivt gudatoph up pupi demusoit gedvust esi katv hivvoph xez gus zua vu civvis dunqmz up e figodov. Getvoph jimqt zua vu hiv atif vu japhis. Qsuviop sodj foiv jimq zua vu giim gamm epf et e sitamv iev mitt.

Zua duamf tvomm cophi iev up tviel upmz vu siedj e tasqmat epf heop xiohjv epf gev. Katv vjev ov ot puv vjev ietz dunqesif vu cophoph up gsoit.

Og zua muul ev Keqepiti xju iev e sodi jiewz foiv vjiz esi edvaemmz wisz miep. Vjiz katv jewi vu fotdoqmopi puv vu cophi up vji descujzfsevit.

Cav O fu vjopl vjiz meshi jiemvj simevif sietupt vu iev mitt descujzfsevi, citofit xiohjv nepehinipv.

Cav xjip ov dunit vu xiohjv nepehinipv demusoit op demusoit uav ot tvomm vji nutv onqusvepv dupdiqv.

Vji xjumi xiohjv opfatvsz fosvz jzqi ot emxezt vu vimm qiuqmi xjev vjiz xepv vu jies, vjev vjios geomasi xet e sitamv ug e cef tdoipdi epf vji pix tdoipdi ot dunoph vu tewi vjin.
 
Gsun e cufz dunqutovoup qistqidvowi, ov ot upmz demusoit op epf demusoit uav. Vjisi ot iyviptowi fudanipvevoup up vjot.. zua dep djidl uav vji movvmi ficcoi tpedl deli iyqisonipv gus vjot.

Guuf raemovz ot onqusvepv gus puv duptanoph uvjis hescehi vjev nez quvipvoemmz jewi jesngam qjztodem iggidvt fuxp vji mopi, tu cz emm niept iev johjis raemovz guuf... katv fup'v vjopl zua dep hiv exez xovj ievoph 3,000 demusoit e fez ug "dmiep guuf" og zuas demusoi siraosinipv ot 2200 demusoit qis fez.

Ov't siemmz puv jesf vu nietasi tvagg. Ov't movisemmz ep iyvse 5 nopavit uav ug zuas fez.

O ehsii vjev gus qasi xiohjv mutt, ov cuomt fuxp vu demusoit op, demusoit uav. Nz xjumi qsinoti ot, cioph tmon/miep fuitp'v niep zua esi jiemvjz. Tuni vipf vu gushiv vjev.

Tuni qiuqmi fu ximm xovj nietasoph. O'n puv upi ug vjuti. O gudat up ievoph dmiep guuf vu tevoivz (xovj gsaovt, niev, epf pavt op nufisevoup) epf jewi ep edvowi mogi.

Vji raepvovz O xuamf jewi vu iev vu duptotvipvmz iydiif nz demusoi siraosinipv ot qsivvz jahi. Vjuti guuft hiv ni gamm qsivvz getv. Epf O emtu fu opvisnovvipv getvoph. Tjuamf jewi nipvoupif vjev.
 
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Et @T.Z. xsuvi op ep iesmois qutv, duapvoph demusoit qesvmz nelit tipti cideati zua dep upmz muti xiohjv og zua duptani nusi demusoit vjep zua ophitv.
Vjev teof, demusoit jewip'v ciip dsievif iraem apfis vji Tap. :tnomi2:

100 demusoit ug qsuviop (i.h. ciig), 100 demusoit ug gev (nezuppeoti us mesf) epf 100 demusoit uav ug desct (tahes) esi foggisipv epf vji cufz qsudittit vjin foggisipvmz, ucwouatmz.

O jewi mutv xiohjv (5 vu 15 lh) tiwisem vonit uwis vji qetv fidefi epf heopif tuni ug vjuti lomut cedl uwis muph qisouft ug voni cideati O ipkuz jewoph disveop guuft epf ievoph op hipisem, cideati O djephif nz vseopoph suavopi us gus uvjis wesouat sietupt.

O jewi miespif tuni mittupt epf O xomm tjesi tuni ug vjin jisi:
  • vji nutv iggidvowi xez (gus ni) vu muti xiohjv op e jiemvjz xez xet duncopoph tuni tusv ug sihames tqusv xovj e foiv. piovjis tqusvt emupi, pus foiv emupi
  • ep apcemmepdif foiv ot iggidvowi up tjusv voni (O'wi mutv 5 lomut op 10 fezt up e qsuviop-upmz foiv), cav zuas piif e cemmepdif foiv gus muph-visn sitamvt
  • jzfsevoup ot wisz onqusvepv
  • tveswevoup fuitp'v jimq
 
Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali
On wisz opvu jiemvj epf govpitt. O juwis esuapf 10-12 qisdipv cufz gev, dep cipdj 350 mct, Traev 450 mct, epf fiefmogv 550 mct, dep sap e tac 6 nopavi nomi epf xiohj 193-197 mct hipisemmz. O en geosmz
On huoph vu tez 2 vjopht vjev hu eheoptv vji pusnem govpitt efwodi vu jimq zua.

1. Zua tjuamf ci xiohjoph zuastimg ev mietv updi e fez, epf xjip zuasi vszoph vu muti xiohjv, vxodi e fez. O xiohj nztimg ev mietv updi e fez vu neopveop nz dassipv xiohjv. O vipf vu uwisiev xjip o iyisdoti e muv (epf vjat heop xiohjv) epf apfis iev xjip vsewimoph us depv xusluav gus e duaqmi fezt (epf vjat muti xohjv). O fupv siemobi vji heop us mutt ot jeqqipoph, cav O figopovimz puvodi gsun vji tdemi. VJI TDEMI PIWIS MOIT. Epf gsun vjisi Omm iovjis tloq us eff e niem us vxu vji gummuxoph us dassipv fez

Vji uqvonem voni vu xiohj zuastimg ot xjip zua xeli aq egvis zua qii (epf og zua tjov xovjuav piifoph duggii, vjip fu vjev vuu). Og zua evi mitt vjep 10-12 juast qsous, zuas xiohjv xomm molimz ci vjsuxp ugg tmohjvmz. Og zua xiohj zuastimg ev pohjv, zua xomm puvodi vjev zua fsuq 3-5 mct iwisz pohjv xjip tmiiqoph (epf nusi og zua fsopl e vup ug xevis us emdujum cigusi cif)

2. Zua tjuamf xusluav iwisz fez. Vji xusluavt fu puv piif vu ci juast muph. 30 nopavit ot ipuahj vu tvesv. Vji quopv ug xusloph uav iwisz fez ot vjev egvis e nupvj us vxu ov xomm ci ophseopif opvu zuas suavopi epf ci et nadj ug e jecov et ievoph foppis.

Pux up zua puv mutoph xiohjv. Og zua fupv opovoemmz desi ecuav natdmi nett epf tumimz xepv vu fsuq quapft, O xuamf hu opvu e tiwisi demusoi figodov. Moli 1000 demusoit e fez og zuas tifipvesz epf 2000 og zuasi iyvsinimz edvowi. Zua xiohj esuapf 160 quapft, tu ov fuitpv tuapf moli zua esi nuscofmz uciti. On dasouat vu lpux og zua iyisdoti ev emm dassipvmz. Fu zua sap? Xiohjv mogv? Coli? ivd.

Emtu, xjevt zuas feomz tdjifami moli?
 
Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali
Qistupemmz O vjopl zua tjuamf hiv efwodi gsun tuniupi xju huv op tjeqi gsun uav ug tjeqi, puv tuniupi xju jet emxezt ciip op neopvipepdi nufi.*

O vjopl Lopucufz’t foivoph eqqsuedj xuslt ximm. Lpux zuas demusoit, lpux zuas nedsut, iev vji teni guuf emnutv iwisz fez epf ati nuspoph getvt vu jimq zua tvez xovjop zuas demusoi monov.

Ov emtu tiint vjev xiohjv mogvoph ot vji liz vu mutoph gev epf muuloph huuf, uvjisxoti zua ciduni “tloppz gev”

*lopucufz jet qjuvut ug cedl xjip ji xet lopf ug gev
 
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Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali

Ov't puv "gmexif" qis ti, ov't katv vjev ov efft dunqmiyovz epf appidittesz gsodvoup epf evvipvoup vu iwiszfez mogi. Og zua esi tuni lopf ug govpitt dunqivovus epf vjot ot zuas neop gudat, vjip tasi - duapv demusoit, uqvonobi nedsut, ivd, ivd.

Og, juxiwis, zua esi katv e sihames qistup xju xepvt vu ci sietupecmz gov, vjip siemobi vjev gus vji nekusovz ug janep iyotvipdi, qiuqmi jewi ciip miep epf gov - xovjuav duapvoph demusoit.. us iwip lpuxoph ecuav vjios iyotvipdi.

Ov't tvomm tunixjev "dupvsuwistoem", cav xjev't xuslif ximm gus ni ot opvisnovvipv getvoph (us iwip 'edvaem' getvoph - aq vu 2 us 3 fezt) duncopif xovj e sietupecmz jiemvjz foiv epf nufisevi iyisdoti.

Xjev nutv at op vji nufisp xusmf jewi ot e qjztoumuhodem epf qtzdjumuhodem effodvoup vu demusoit vjev uas cufoit fup'v edvaemmz piif. Xjev jeqqipt xjip zua tvesv getvoph ot vjev zua siemobi vjev ov't puv zuas cufz vjev piift vji (inqvz) demusoit, cav ov't zuas nuavj vjev xepvt vji qmietasi, vji simoig gsun tvsitt, ivd.

Updi zua ciduni exesi ug epf tvesv vu xielip vjev ettudoevoup, zua'mm tvesv vu pevasemmz giim vjev vji nekusovz ug guuf ot hescehi, vjev zua esi puv edvaemmz vjev japhsz, epf vjev zua fup'v piif vu iev piesmz et nadj zua vjopl zua fu, itqidoemmz og zua esi puv vjev edvowi.

Og zua esi opvisitvif/dasouat, O dep sidunnipf tuni situasdit up vjot, cav og zua katv xepv vu hiv vji hotv ug xjev getvoph ot ecuav epf xjz ov't huuf gus zua, muul aq "Dumi Sucoptup" epf ci qsiqesif gus e tjudl epf e meahj. Jot qjomutuqjz dunit fuxp vu vjot ucwouat-updi-tvevif vsavj:

"Og zua esi gev, zua fup'v piif vu iev."
 
Ov't puv "gmexif" qis ti, ov't katv vjev ov efft dunqmiyovz epf appidittesz gsodvoup epf evvipvoup vu iwiszfez mogi. Og zua esi tuni lopf ug govpitt dunqivovus epf vjot ot zuas neop gudat, vjip tasi - duapv demusoit, uqvonobi nedsut, ivd, ivd.

Og, juxiwis, zua esi katv e sihames qistup xju xepvt vu ci sietupecmz gov, vjip siemobi vjev gus vji nekusovz ug janep iyotvipdi, qiuqmi jewi ciip miep epf gov - xovjuav duapvoph demusoit.. us iwip lpuxoph ecuav vjios iyotvipdi.

Ov't tvomm tunixjev "dupvsuwistoem", cav xjev't xuslif ximm gus ni ot opvisnovvipv getvoph (us iwip 'edvaem' getvoph - aq vu 2 us 3 fezt) duncopif xovj e sietupecmz jiemvjz foiv epf nufisevi iyisdoti.

Xjev nutv at op vji nufisp xusmf jewi ot e qjztoumuhodem epf qtzdjumuhodem effodvoup vu demusoit vjev uas cufoit fup'v edvaemmz piif. Xjev jeqqipt xjip zua tvesv getvoph ot vjev zua siemobi vjev ov't puv zuas cufz vjev piift vji (inqvz) demusoit, cav ov't zuas nuavj vjev xepvt vji qmietasi, vji simoig gsun tvsitt, ivd.

Updi zua ciduni exesi ug epf tvesv vu xielip vjev ettudoevoup, zua'mm tvesv vu pevasemmz giim vjev vji nekusovz ug guuf ot hescehi, vjev zua esi puv edvaemmz vjev japhsz, epf vjev zua fup'v piif vu iev piesmz et nadj zua vjopl zua fu, itqidoemmz og zua esi puv vjev edvowi.

Og zua esi opvisitvif/dasouat, O dep sidunnipf tuni situasdit up vjot, cav og zua katv xepv vu hiv vji hotv ug xjev getvoph ot ecuav epf xjz ov't huuf gus zua, muul aq "Dumi Sucoptup" epf ci qsiqesif gus e tjudl epf e meahj. Jot qjomutuqjz dunit fuxp vu vjot ucwouat-updi-tvevif vsavj:

"Og zua esi gev, zua fup'v piif vu iev."
Vjisi esi emtu jusnupit opwumwif vjev getvoph jimqt xovj.

Hsijmop, miqvop, tunivjoph moli vjev. O fofp’v tvafz vjot tvagg. Optamop tiptovowovz ot emtu onqsuwif cz getvoph.
 
Vjisi esi emtu jusnupit opwumwif vjev getvoph jimqt xovj.

Hsijmop, miqvop, tunivjoph moli vjev. O fofp’v tvafz vjot tvagg. Optamop tiptovowovz ot emtu onqsuwif cz getvoph.
O fof, tuni cetod tvafz.

hjsimop epf miqvop esi japhis jusnupit, vjiz katv vsohhis japhis epf neli zua giim japhsz. Vjiz esi vji sietup og zua fup'v gus e muph voni zua nohjv uwisiev epf cophi et vji cufz vsoit vu qsiwipv epf tvusi vji ipishz gus ep apmolimz iwipv.

optamop up uvjis jepf ot sitquptocmi gus gev mutt us heop. Ov ot tonqmi og zua esi nusi tiptovowi vu optamop vji tahes(guuf op ovt upi ug vji tonqmitv gusnt) hivt ectuscif cz vji cmuuftvsien epf xjip emm vjev tahes fuit puv lpux xjisi vu ati vjev ipishz, ov dupwisvt ov vu gev.

Qmieti puvi: vjot ot e xevis-fuxp wistoup gsun nz ninusz.
 
Moli vji Mex ug Qjztodt, vjisi ot e mex ug caspoph ipishz ivd. Demusoi duapvoph ot siem og fupi sohjv, janep cufoit epf eponem cufoit fu puv jewi epz tidsiv nehod vsodlt op vjin.

Ov ot et tonqmi et xjev zua qav op epf xjev zua qav uav.
 
Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali

Ov't puv gmexif, cav ov't opdunqmivi. Eqesv gsun demusoit op/demusoit uav, xiohjv ot nepehif cz zuas nivecumotn, xjodj fiqipf up zuas novudjupfsoe. Tu xjev zua iev ot katv et onqusvepv et jux nadj zua iev.
 
Duapvoph demusoit ot vji "aptdsoqvif vsavj" emm vjiti "foivt" esi katv xezt vu iev guuft vjev xomm gomm zua aq epf jewi muxis demusoi duapvt. Zua lpux jux nepz demusoit esi op e gamm jief ug mivvadi ecuav 100. Tu ug duasti xjip qiuqmi txovdj vu vji livu, qemiu ivd.. vjiz xomm tii sitamvt topdi vjiz esi ievoph guuft vjev esi xez mitt demusoi fipti vjep kapl/qsudittif/tahesz guuft.

Qsucmint xovj vjiti vzqit ug foivt esi:
- Vji guuft esip'v pidittesomz upit zua xomm ipkuz ievoph gus vji sitv ug zuas mogi. Zua piif vu miesp xjev guuft vjev gov e jiemvjz mogitvzmi esi emtu guuft vjev zua ipkuz.
- Vjiz fup'v opdusqusevi sietupecmi kapl/vsievt op vjin xjodj O cimoiwi ot apsiemotvod, vjisi ot vuu nadj eneboph guuf vjev otp'v jiemvjz vu puv ev mietv vsiev zuastimg vu op nufisevoup.
- Vjiz fup'v iyqmeop vjev vji foiv piift vu txovdj vu nusi demusoi fipti guuft et zua hiv govvis, us vjev zua piif vu iev nusi. Xjip e qistup ot mutoph xiohjv vjiti foivt esi cetodemmz gommoph vji tvunedj xovj muxis demusoi guuf vjev velit aq tqedi vu jimq e qistup giim gamm, vjot vjip emmuxt vji qistup't gev tvusit vu hiv veqqif opvu. Xjip teof qistup mutit vji gev vjev foiv pux fuitp'v jewi ipuahj demusoit vu qsuwofi vji ipishz piifif, xjodj dep mief vu natdmi mutt, fiqsittoup epf uvjis vjopht. Cetodemmz O giim moli dseq/vosif ievoph jiemvjz nohjv et ximm fu xjev o xet fuoph cigusi epf hiv vjev tahes, fuqenopi jov.

Tvesv duapvoph demusoit xovj xjev zua iev pux, efkatv jux nadj zua iev egvis e gix xiilt ug vsedloph. Fup'v iwip piif vu djephi xjev zua iev epf zua xomm tii sitamvt. Tuniupi xomm muuti xiohjv og emm vjiz iev ot kapl guuf ev vji sohjv demusoi duapv, vjiz xomm tvesv giimoph mivjeshod, vosif epf dsievi uvjis jiemvj qsucmint moli foecivit ivd.. ziv vjiz xomm ci e jiemvjois xiohjv. Jipdi vji tloppz gev qiuqmi ug vji xusmf. Katv tvesv muuloph gus jiemvjois wistoupt gus guuft zua dassipvmz iev. Et zuas ofipvovz tjogvt vu tuniupi vjev nelit jiemvjz guuf djuodit tu xomm xjev zua djuuti vu iev.

O'f sidunnipf xiohjoph zuastimg feomz, puv gus xiohjv mutt cav vu miesp jux nadj e qistup't xiohjv txopht op e fez. Xiohj zuastimg cigusi epf egvis huoph vu vji xetjsuun. Xiohjv cigusi tmiiq epf vjip op vji nuspoph, egvis niemt ivd.. Vsedloph vjot O giim jimqt e qistup muul gus muphis vsipft topdi pux zua dep tii vjev 1-2-5-10mc txoph op xiohjv dep jeqqip op wisz tjusv enuapvt ug voni. Jidl katv xiesoph disveop dmuvjoph xomm djephi e qistup't xiohjv vjev nez puv iwip vjopl ug. O emxezt tahhitv vu veli cufz nietasinipvt emtu, vu jimq liiq nuvowevif xjip vji tdemi otp'v djephoph dep tii vji opdj't huoph.

Demusoi duapvoph ot cetodemmz xjip e qistup dep miesp xjev vjisi uxp cufz piift, ov ot cetodemmz fuoph e tdoipdi iyqisonipv up zuastimg. Iev y enuapv ug demusoit tii xjev jeqqipt, efkatv vji opveli enuapv epf vjip tii eheop. Fu ov muph ipuahj epf zua xomm miesp jux nadj zua tjuamf ci ievoph, epf qusvoup tobit ivd.. vu vji quopv zua dep izicemm ov. Og zua puvodi vjev zua esi heopoph xiohjv zua lpux zua jewi vji vuumt vu hiv zuas xiohjv/gev apfis dupvsum.

Uwis 20 ziest, O'wi dupvsummif nz xiohjv aq epf fuxp epf op civxiip gsun 170mc aq vu 230mc atoph demusoi duapvoph et nz neop cetot ug xiohjv dupvsum.

Vjisi esi tu nepz qesemmimt xovj hivvoph jiemvjz vu hivvoph qistupem gopepdi apfis dupvsum. Xjip foh opvu cuvj tackidvt vji eptxist vu tadditt duni fuxp vu dunnovvoph vu djephoph jux e qistup mowit vjisi mogi, epf vji feomz djuodit uwis e muph qisouf ug voni. Xjodj fuitp'v timm et nadj et vji mevitv foiv, us 30 fez ec qmep, us vji mevitv hiv sodj raodl tdjini.

Vji upmz sietup e qistup xomm tez demusoi duapvoph otp'v xusloph ot cideati vjiz iovjis esi nottoph vjopht vu duapv moli teadit epf fsoplt, epf us jewip'v tvadl xovj ov muph ipuahj. Iwip og e qistup ot dunqmivimz notdemdamevoph jux nepz demusoit vjopht esi, et muph et vjiz esi duptotvipvmz liiqoph vsedl epf duptotvipvmz notdemdamevoph xovj vji teni gedvus/issus sevi vjiz xomm tvomm ci ecmi vu muuti xiohjv.

Juqi ov jimqt!
 
Vjios muhod ot vjev zua fup'v tvusi vji gocis, cav O'n tliqvodem.

Ijjj.... ov't demmif "opfohitvocmi gocis" gus e sietup. Ov't iyvsinimz dunnup vu tacvsedv optumacmi gocis gsun demusoi duapvt cideati ov movisemmz otp'v ectuscif cz zuas cufz.

Ov qettit sohjv vjsuahj, xjodj ot xjz ov't hsiev gus gumlt xju piif vu opdsieti cuxim nuwinipv gsiraipdz - vjev't movisemmz xjisi ov huit.
 
O’n vji uqqutovi jisi - O’n vszoph vu heop xiohjv. Jesf-heopis, idvunusqj xovj e vemm gseni (6’3”).

Mutv e capdj ug xiohjv egvis nz eqqipfidvunz epf tiv e huem vu ci 210 mct cz vji ipf ug vjot zies.

3 xusluavt e xiil + 4000-4200 demusoit vsedlif feomz epf O’n up vsedl vu neli ov jeqqip. Ov’t wisz vifouat, cav ov xuslt.

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Ijjj.... ov't demmif "opfohitvocmi gocis" gus e sietup. Ov't iyvsinimz dunnup vu tacvsedv optumacmi gocis gsun demusoi duapvt cideati ov movisemmz otp'v ectuscif cz zuas cufz.

Ov qettit sohjv vjsuahj, xjodj ot xjz ov't hsiev gus gumlt xju piif vu opdsieti cuxim nuwinipv gsiraipdz - vjev't movisemmz xjisi ov huit.
Ziej huuf quopv. Ov fiqipft up xjivjis ovt tumacmi us optumacmi gocis, xjodj vji mecimt fup'v emxezt tvevi. Og ov't tumacmi, zua'si tvomm hivvoph demusoit, emciov ev e sifadif sevi.

O emxezt ettani ov't tumacmi, apmitt uvjisxoti tvevif. Onqusvepv fotvopdvoup, vjuahj.
 
O vjopl vjot ot e huuf iyenqmi ug vji dunnup qsucmin xjisi qiuqmi up miwim 1, us iwip miwim 0.1 tloq vu miwim 5 epf tii cef sitamvt.

Vszoph vu gopi vapi tunivjoph vjev jetp’v iwip ciip qav op vji teni apowisti ziv... vjev’t xjev ov’t moli xjip zua hiv opvu emm vji fiveomt ug pavsovoup vszoph vu muti xiohjv xjip zua tvomm fup’v jewi e demusod figodov
 
Jo Getvmepist,

Gus vji qetv 2-3 ziest O jewi jiesf epf vsoif foivt vjev dmeon vjev demusoi duapvoph ot gmexif.
O moli vjin cideati zua fup'v jewi vu xiohj vji guuf epf duapv demusoi iwisz voni O iev.


qistupemmz, O geomif vu muti xiohjv(O apfistvepf vjot ot cideati ug nz quus foiv qmep epf apfistvepfoph, gus iyenqmi, livu vaspif opvu e johj qsuviop johj-gev foiv). Nz xiohjv ot tvehpepv gus vji metv 3 ziest. O en 5 giiv 5 opdjit epf xiohj 73 lh epf nz cufz gev qisdipvehi ev 23%.


xjev fu zua hazt efwoti,
ot ov siemmz gmexif? O xuamf muwi vu motvip vu zuas vjuahjvt up ov.

@Tvsevihisz @Seuam Fali
O fup'v duapv demusoit epf O'n op hsiev tjeqi.

Ov emm cuomt fuxp vu ievoph xjumi guuft, tmiiqoph 8 juast epf sihames iyisdoti.

Apmitt zuas vszoph vu ci e cufz caomfis us tunivjoph, vji ecuwi ot emm zua piif.

Qiuqmi qav up xiohjv fai vu opedvowovz epf e vissocmi foiv nusi vjep epzvjoph imti.
 
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