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Anything considered a "hustle" and not necessarily a CENTS-based Fastlane

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Meaningless culture and micromanagement pissed me off a lot in most jobs. Also them treating you like you are disposable. Same pay regardless sounds like a communist system to me.

Most jobs Ive worked at had poor management. I would have learned a lot more living in my mother's basement and focusing on learning and business.

If jobs gave me a percentage ownership of product I would have stayed. Otherwise Im forced to do entrepreneurship for a chance at any real freedom of time and wealth.

Reading about any major success the people sacrificed what they could so they could have 100% time focused onto their business. Examples are Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, Paul Mitchell, Victor Pride, Stallone and MJ DeMarco. MJ himself quit so he could focus 100%. If you read his book he barely had enough for a month of rent when he started. Freedom of time and a singular focus appears to be the theme here.
 
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Reading about any major success the people sacrificed what they could so they could have 100% time focused onto their business. Examples are Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, Paul Mitchell, Victor Pride, Stallone and MJ DeMarco. MJ himself quit so he could focus 100%. If you read his book he barely had enough for a month of rent when he started. Freedom of time and a singular focus appears to be the theme here.

I see where you're coming from. This seems like survivorship bias to me.

For every one person who has "made it" by backing themselves into a corner and "making shit happen", I know of 100 more that crashed and burned; some needing therapy to come out of the other side.

This mentality is at the core of what Alexis Ohanian calls hustle porn.

I personally have backed myself into a corner 3 times with the intention of motivating myself into doing something incredible. It didn't work for me, personally.

It was only when I gave myself permission to have a job that real growth started to happen, and real big business opportunities presented themselves.

I would suggest that you look for success stories that are counter to the narrative of backing oneself into a corner. The story of DHH and Jason Fried, for example, comes to mind.
 

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Meaningless culture and micromanagement pissed me off a lot in most jobs. Also them treating you like you are disposable. Same pay regardless sounds like a communist system to me.

Most jobs Ive worked at had poor management. I would have learned a lot more living in my mother's basement and focusing on learning and business.

If jobs gave me a percentage ownership of product I would have stayed. Otherwise Im forced to do entrepreneurship for a chance at any real freedom of time and wealth.

Reading about any major success the people sacrificed what they could so they could have 100% time focused onto their business. Examples are Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, Paul Mitchell, Victor Pride, Stallone and MJ DeMarco. MJ himself quit so he could focus 100%. If you read his book he barely had enough for a month of rent when he started. Freedom of time and a singular focus appears to be the theme here.
@MJ DeMarco 's fastlane business idea came from working in a limo company!!
 

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Reading about any major success the people sacrificed what they could so they could have 100% time focused onto their business. Examples are Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, Paul Mitchell, Victor Pride, Stallone and MJ DeMarco. MJ himself quit so he could focus 100%. If you read his book he barely had enough for a month of rent when he started. Freedom of time and a singular focus appears to be the theme here.

I don't think I'm a good example to validate your point.

I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for my job.

I thought this forum was beyond the old "jobs are bad" ideology, a sentiment that seems so 2010.

A job is very much a part of the process, either experiential or for highlighting opportunities in the marketplace. My only issue with a job is using it to anchor your wealth plan. Since most people don't have access to "ground floor" startup job opportunities (where better math exists) the mathematical variables simply don't work for the average person. Moreover, I think most young people need a job to get a taste of the real world.

As a means to a Fastlane/Unscripted end, jobs are great.
 
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I see where you're coming from. This seems like survivorship bias to me.

For every one person who has "made it" by backing themselves into a corner and "making shit happen", I know of 100 more that crashed and burned; some needing therapy to come out of the other side.

This mentality is at the core of what Alexis Ohanian calls hustle porn.

I personally have backed myself into a corner 3 times with the intention of motivating myself into doing something incredible. It didn't work for me, personally.

It was only when I gave myself permission to have a job that real growth started to happen, and real big business opportunities presented themselves.

I would suggest that you look for success stories that are counter to the narrative of backing oneself into a corner. The story of DHH and Jason Fried, for example, comes to mind.
Amen!! I've quit my job prematurely to work 100% on my biz without success before as well and it didn't work out. There is so much you can do to validate your idea and get early customers part-time. Then, you'll be jumping into your business full-time knowing that the market exists and you have customers and revenue. Don't underestimate how long it takes to get early customers and enough money coming in to pay the founder's living expenses.

NIKE was a part-time business! Read Shoe Dog ! Phil Knight worked as a CPA while running Nike on the side. There are many examples.
 

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So an eff this event doesnt matter?

I had a gun to my head I was so fed up of working a regular job and getting nowhere.

Regular jobs are built to exploit the masses. Most people say they hate their job. If they were rewarded properly they wouldnt be saying shit. It would be happy ever after for the entire planet.
 

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So an eff this event doesnt matter?

I had a gun to my head I was so fed up of working a regular job and getting nowhere.

An F-this event motivates you to start moving pieces on the board.

The reason this chess analogy works so well, is that there are many ways to move those pieces on that board that will ultimately lead to a win.

People before an F-this event: sit idly on the sidelines, waking up day in and day out, unmotivated to make moves on the board at all.

People after an F-this event: motivated to get up from the sidelines and start playing the game, making moves on the board by going through the act -> learn -> repeat loop until they win.

The specific moves are almost entirely irrelevant so long as they move one closer to a win.
 
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So an eff this event doesnt matter?

I had a gun to my head I was so fed up of working a regular job and getting nowhere.

Regular jobs are built to exploit the masses. Most people say they hate their job. If they were rewarded properly they wouldnt be saying shit. It would be happy ever after for the entire planet.
When I was in a shit job that I hated I remember reading this blog article by Mark Cuban: Success & Motivation – 2009 | blog maverick

I started changing my perspective and attitude and things started happening for me. I started focusing on providing as much value to others as I could, instead of focusing on my own selfish desires.

I also started telling myself that I wanted to soak in all of the shit jobs and experiences because when I look back one day, I'll have a great life story to tell my grandkids.

I once had a job picking weeds AFTER getting a college degree! It SUCKED, but when I changed my attitude from being an entitled little bitch because I thought I deserved more for having a college degree, to being the best, most efficient weed picker in the whole damn landscape group I started finding other opportunities in the world. Now I'm making 6-figures and working on starting my business.

People like to help other people that bust their a$$ to provide value for others and that have a good attitude while doing it.

EDIT: I've had way more than one shitty job. There were many :rofl:
 

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Thats only good if they value. My experience is contrary they didn't care how much value I provided. I was treated as a commodity or a machine that is easily replaceable.
 

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Thats only good if they value. My experience is contrary they didn't care how much value I provided. I was treated as a commodity or a machine that is easily replaceable.
You don't have to stay at the same job. I didn't. Keep producing as much value as you can and looking for new opportunities. It's a big world out there.

Try to find an entry level job in an industry that you're interested in and become a learning machine.

If you can't get into the industry you want right away, keep trying new things and learning all you can.

There is always something interesting you can learn, you may just not be scratching deep enough. Keep scratching.

Even in a mind numbing job, I would study people. People are interesting and you'll always have to deal with them. Study the power dynamics, listen to conversations of others, the politics they play, facial expressions, and try to figure out what they are thinking. Get out of your own head and observe your environment.

Maybe you'll notice a problem that frustrates the hell out of everyone that you can start a business to solve?

"If you don't like how things are, change it! You're not a tree." --Jim Rohn
 
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Coding is fastlane if it is for a fastlane venture. Coding for a job isn’t really. Although salaries for these big tech companies are actually pretty fastlane now. I read if you on top of the league it can be like 500k/yr.

With that said, I am learning to code because my fastlane requires it. But then I also realized it takes time to be good. I mean really good. The needs for my business actually requires me to be expert programmer.

It would even be hard for senior programmer to do what I’m doing.

By nature software scales better than any other type of business thus far.
 
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I see where you're coming from. This seems like survivorship bias to me.

For every one person who has "made it" by backing themselves into a corner and "making shit happen", I know of 100 more that crashed and burned; some needing therapy to come out of the other side.

This mentality is at the core of what Alexis Ohanian calls hustle porn.

I personally have backed myself into a corner 3 times with the intention of motivating myself into doing something incredible. It didn't work for me, personally.

It was only when I gave myself permission to have a job that real growth started to happen, and real big business opportunities presented themselves.

I would suggest that you look for success stories that are counter to the narrative of backing oneself into a corner. The story of DHH and Jason Fried, for example, comes to mind.

What do you mean by permission to have a job?

I don't think I'm a good example to validate your point.

I wouldn't be where I am today if it weren't for my job.

I thought this forum was beyond the old "jobs are bad" ideology, a sentiment that seems so 2010.

A job is very much a part of the process, either experiential or for highlighting opportunities in the marketplace. My only issue with a job is using it to anchor your wealth plan. Since most people don't have access to "ground floor" startup job opportunities (where better math exists) the mathematical variables simply don't work for the average person. Moreover, I think most young people need a job to get a taste of the real world.

As a means to a Fastlane/Unscripted end, jobs are great.

Honestly, when I read your book. The “jobs are bad” vibe is exactly what I got.

Obviously with that mentality, it permanently ruined several years for me because that was what I and many others got from the book.

I think you should emphasize much more that a job is part of the process. It would have been a load more helpful and would probably be in a different spot, if I wasn’t job hating for several years.
 

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What do you mean by permission to have a job?

Similar to the experience you describe, I felt like having a job was an absolutely terrible thing. That it meant I was failing, or not an entrepreneur or not pursuing my dreams.

I'd wager they were the same things that ran through your head, based on other comments in this thread and others.

I had to consciously let myself know that I thought it was OK for me to have a job – that it would help me move closer to my goal.
 
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So an eff this event doesnt matter?

Sure it does. But it doesn't justify reckless behavior, like quitting your job while having a family support.

It's like losing weight -- you can realize that obesity is a problem to your health and suddenly commit to changing it. However just because you commit doesn't give you some magical power to lose 40lbs in one day. Business is the same. Quitting your job doesn't give you some special power to launch your business successfully on the first try.
 

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There are other great paths instead of putting countless hours into a job. You need freedom of time to develop your business.

For example creating savings then moving to a country where rent is very cheap.
Another is moving in with caring family or parents.
Another is getting a cheap camper or RV and be on the road.
Or even working that boring job then buying a cheap property.

Whatever it takes to kill housing costs the major problem. Forget pinching pennies on food and coffee.
 

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So many threads are people rushing to learn code. But why?
Because they try to copy web design firm that the author of TMF had in his book as a way to be a millionaire, in my personal opinion, web design and software development is not easy business and out of 10 maybe 1 succeed to create a real business and the rest either keep it as a side hassle or shutdown.
 
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Why did you quit with barely any savings on a whim? Then you learned to do web on the fly at the same time to make websites for other people? You should really explain how ridiculous this is and why it is not recommended to do.

Do as you say in the book, but you didn't even follow what you preach originally. Which is a frustrating part of the book. The other parts of the book I liked about how to determine a good product. But overall I think the Unscripted book needs a more serious approach on how to plan your life to get where you need to go without going bust horribly.
 

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I believe that coding is the future, web development, software coding, gaming development, AI coding, all of it, because everything is being digitalized nowadays, and if you're good enough and bright enough to come up with a new idea or an old idea done better, and you create a website for it on your own and you automate it, then there you have it - a money automated system.
 
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Why did you quit with barely any savings on a whim? Then you learned to do web on the fly at the same time to make websites for other people? You should really explain how ridiculous this is and why it is not recommended to do.

Do as you say in the book, but you didn't even follow what you preach originally. Which is a frustrating part of the book. The other parts of the book I liked about how to determine a good product. But overall I think the Unscripted book needs a more serious approach on how to plan your life to get where you need to go without going bust horribly.

The book says he learned coding on the fly? I remember him saying he was learning to code while waiting for customers in the limo.

Also, If I remember well, he didn't have responsibilities. He had the chance to work on hourly jobs if he went desperate. So what do you mean? :S
 

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Moreover, I think most young people need a job to get a taste of the real world.


Totally agree. If it wasn't for me getting a job, in order to move out and be on my own, I would still be a "wantrepreneur".

If I could go back in time, I'd get that job earlier instead of having that "jobs should be avoided like a plague mentality", because man, when you really go through it, an endless stream of FTE's and FTM's come your way. The getting up early, living in shitty apartments where I can never sleep, not having enough money to make your situation better, and more gives you an endless fire and commitment to the process and my family.
 

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Software is just an easy way for people to get started. But yeah if you're learning it just to build other people's products/software then that is not fastlane. Although I will take the odd programming job if it's big enough and my company is slow, I can change almost $200/hr because I have a certain skill level. So if I'm bored on a weekend and want to make an extra 4K over 3 days while my SASS business is operating in the background I'll take it
Sounds interesting, can you give me some tips on how to get software or app development clients?
 
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