Forced to move, issue with new location city

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper">I&#039;ll try to make this and simple and concise as I can without leaving anything pertinent out.<br /> <br /> I have a business selling shipping containers. I buy them from a wholesaler and sell them retail. Pretty simple process I&#039;ve created from A-Z.<br /> <br /> This is still a part-time business for me. I&#039;m not yet moving a lot of volume. I had a good storage yard that I am going to have to vacate sometime soon. Essentially I rent space in a storage yard (place for trailers, trucks, boats, etc.). As my business stands right now I&#039;m not big enough or in the financial position to rent out my own yard. If I had more finances I&#039;d rent my own yard and sub-lease trailers and boats and such to supplement. So where I&#039;m at right now I need to rent from someone with yard space of some type.<br /> <br /> I thought I had something else lined up, signed the lease, everything (I&#039;m not on the hook for the lease) however once I went to the city to try to get a business license, I talked to a few different folks with the city involved with business licensing and it&#039;s kind of a weird scenario that they&#039;re telling me it&#039;s a no-go. <br /> <br /> More or less, they said that there were only 4 reasons permitted by the city that a container can be on the property, and stored inventory not being one of them. This was from the city planner, who unlike many in government actually put some thought and research into delivering the answer he gave me after listening to my scenario in full. Now the thing is there&#039;s a grey area and I think I can reason with this individual if there&#039;s an angle but I&#039;m not sure how to go about it, hence my being here.<br /> <br /> One of the &quot;approved&quot; uses he provided was that it could be used to store inventory inside. The containers ARE the inventory, he didn&#039;t&#039; seem to think this applied to my situation based on the code. <br /> <br /> There&#039;s some other verbage in the city code my landlord came across that said more or less that the containers were allowed on property as long as they were &quot;used for storage&quot; and that they were &quot;placed properly&quot;-I don&#039;t know what the proper placement is but I&#039;m awaiting that code to be sent to me. I do plan to store my forklift inside one of the containers, and some other misc items that I use for loading/unloading containers as the come and go.<br /> <br /> 1. Any reccomendations to try to fight this?<br /> <br /> 2. Or would I be better off scrapping the idea of putting my business here and just looking for yard space to rent in another city? I&#039;ve been keeping my eyes open but so far hasn&#039;t been successful, this doesn&#039;t seem to be the easiest thing to find. <br /> <br /> 3. ONE OTHER ALTERNATIVE I&#039;m thinking of is that I get a business license for my home office and work off of that. Since I largely work from home and the yard space is just for storage of inventory and I really only go there to load/unload the containers. Thoughts?</div>

 

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[REV5028]

<div class="bbWrapper">Way out of my element here, but I have a few questions. Would they clear you if you stored your fork lift and other few items in them? Is there a time frame? Like can you store the containers there empty as long as no one container sits there for months on end? You say the city planner put a bit of thought and research into giving you an answer - could you try working more with them to find a solution? They&#039;re probably thrilled you&#039;re actually thinking of these things and not just doing whatever the eff you want.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper"><i>steve urkel voice: &quot;oh...um..., let me check the rules, I have lots of free time to read all the rules because my wife is over at her boyfriends house right now.....hmmm.... no, you can&#039;t have empty containers, they hafta have stuff in them! If they are empty you&#039;re breaking the rules!&quot; - </i>the city planner (capitalism cockblocker)<br /> <br /> Tell that nerd that you&#039;re storing stuff in them and then get back to making money. Go set a dildo in each one so if anyone says they need to inspect it you can show them your inventory and tell them &quot;here&#039;s this, it&#039;s so you can go F*ck yourself&quot;.</div>

 

[REV5028]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041947" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041947" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041947">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <i>steve urkel voice: &quot;oh...um..., let me check the rules, I have lots of free time to read all the rules because my wife is over at her boyfriends house right now.....hmmm.... no, you can&#039;t have empty containers, they hafta have stuff in them! If they are empty you&#039;re breaking the rules!&quot; - </i>the city planner (capitalism cockblocker)<br /> <br /> Tell that nerd that you&#039;re storing stuff in them and then get back to making money. Go set a dildo in each one so if anyone says they need to inspect it you can show them your inventory and tell them &quot;here&#039;s this, it&#039;s so you can go F*ck yourself&quot;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Well.. that&#039;s certainly an option too.</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041947" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041947" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041947">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <i>steve urkel voice: &quot;oh...um..., let me check the rules, I have lots of free time to read all the rules because my wife is over at her boyfriends house right now.....hmmm.... no, you can&#039;t have empty containers, they hafta have stuff in them! If they are empty you&#039;re breaking the rules!&quot; - </i>the city planner (capitalism cockblocker)<br /> <br /> Tell that nerd that you&#039;re storing stuff in them and then get back to making money. Go set a dildo in each one so if anyone says they need to inspect it you can show them your inventory and tell them &quot;here&#039;s this, it&#039;s so you can go F*ck yourself&quot;. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I&#039;m already jammed up because of the need to vacate and another unrelated issue that I&#039;m resolving.<br /> If I&#039;m going to take the time and money to relocate to a new yard, I&#039;m going to do it right. If you don&#039;t have the time/energy/money to do it right the first time you don&#039;t have time the second third fourth and whatever.<br /> <br /> And what exactly do you suggest I put on the business license application for what my business function is? Are you insinuating I just operate without one and pray and hope I don&#039;t get discovered and fined, let alone any other potential liabilities?<br /> How do you suggest I have containers stacked one on top each other and tell them I&#039;m storing dildo&#039;s as inventory in them but I&#039;m not a sex shop? C&#039;mon dude. I thought we were here to be helpful to one another.</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 115542" data-quote="REV5028" data-source="post: 1041938" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041938" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041938">REV5028 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Way out of my element here, but I have a few questions. Would they clear you if you stored your fork lift and other few items in them? Is there a time frame? Like can you store the containers there empty as long as no one container sits there for months on end? You say the city planner put a bit of thought and research into giving you an answer - could you try working more with them to find a solution? They&#039;re probably thrilled you&#039;re actually thinking of these things and not just doing whatever the eff you want. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I don&#039;t believe the forklift and other few items would count. They aren&#039;t &quot;inventory&quot; so that one seems clear.<br /> Some of the containers do stay for months, unfortunately. As I grow this might not be as much of an issue but at that point I&#039;ll need my own yard. <br /> I wouldn&#039;t say they&#039;re thrilled. The guy I spoke with was still a government paper pusher, the main difference being is that he actually looked into the city code for me and did some research instead of giving stupid, knee jerk responses that you would expect of a stereotypical employee. <br /> That&#039;s my idea in writing here, to get some ideas and angles to call them back with to try to work something out with them.</div>

 

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[REV5028]

<div class="bbWrapper">Is there anything else you can offer your clients in addition to the containers that you could store in the containers?</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 115542" data-quote="REV5028" data-source="post: 1041961" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041961" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041961">REV5028 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Is there anything else you can offer your clients in addition to the containers that you could store in the containers? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Interesting thought. It would have to be inexpensive because it&#039;s a low margin business, but significant enough for the city to see it differently.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">Just make up anything.<br /> <br /> It’s not a lack of time energy or money it’s just telling the pencil pushers what they want to hear.<br /> <br /> When I walk up to passport control when traveling to other countries, and they ask what I plan on doing in the country and what hotel I’ll be staying at, do I tell them “I don’t have a hotel planned, don’t know when I’m gonna leave, I’ll be camping a bit, staying in airbnbs, riding a motorcycle across the desert, etc”?<br /> <br /> No, because that’s an answer that will get you put in a locked room with someone questioning you.<br /> <br /> I say “two weeks, vacation, here’s the address to the hotel (insert random hotel I found on google 2 seconds ago I’m not even staying at)” because that’s what they want to hear.<br /> <br /> I have dealt with the same kind of bullshit as what you’re dealing with many many times, and every single time, I roll my eyes, do the ‘jerking off’ motion with my hand, tell the idiots what they want to hear, and get back to business.<br /> <br /> Anyone who follows the rules in such a rigid way as what you’re suggesting is necessary, I can almost guarantee they are not successful.<br /> <br /> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/26a194b9-2878-474d-9bef-b9737be78e1f-webp.46822/" target="_blank"><img src="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/data/attachments/43/43438-d16c55e4992e974a489a34d57111a652.jpg?hash=OlBnPHmkTk" class="bbImage " style="" alt="26A194B9-2878-474D-9BEF-B9737BE78E1F.jpeg" title="26A194B9-2878-474D-9BEF-B9737BE78E1F.jpeg" width="200" height="200" loading="lazy" /></a></div>

 

[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">Johnnyboy is right. The civil servants sit in their offices all day trying to feel important, inventing random roadblocks. They have never run a business themselves and don’t know how anything works.<br /> <br /> Its like why would you go to a lawyer for general business advice? They are going to hound you with the worst case scenarios for everything that you do. Sometimes you just gotta accept that there is risk in doing everything and calculate it into your projections. <br /> <br /> Put aside some money each month to deal with any future problems that arise and remember if they try to penalise you on the spot they’ll have to suggest the fixes.<br /> <br /> Best thing you can do is find someone in the area doing something similar and ask them or copy them.<br /> <br /> This thread started off good but increasingly sounds like you trying to justify to yourself why you aren’t going to pursue this business. Trying to pass off the blame. “I would have had a massive million dollar business if it wasn’t for those city council guys”.<br /> <br /> Doers - do and sort out the problems as they arise.</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041966" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041966" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041966">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <a href="https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/attachments/46822/" target="_blank">View attachment 46822</a>Just make up anything.<br /> <br /> It’s not a lack of time energy or money it’s just telling the pencil pushers what they want to hear.<br /> <br /> When I walk up to passport control when traveling to other countries, and they ask what I plan on doing in the country and what hotel I’ll be staying at, do I tell them “I don’t have a hotel planned, don’t know when I’m gonna leave, I’ll be camping a bit, staying in airbnbs, riding a motorcycle across the desert, etc”?<br /> <br /> No, because that’s an answer that will get you put in a locked room with someone questioning you.<br /> <br /> I say “two weeks, vacation, here’s the address to the hotel (insert random hotel I found on google 2 seconds ago I’m not even staying at)” because that’s what they want to hear.<br /> <br /> I have dealt with the same kind of bullshit as what you’re dealing with many many times, and every single time, I roll my eyes, do the ‘jerking off’ motion with my hand, tell the idiots what they want to hear, and get back to business.<br /> <br /> Anyone who follows the rules in such a rigid way as what you’re suggesting is necessary, I can almost guarantee they are not successful. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Okay, I get the idea behind your point albeit being a bit hyperbolic.<br /> <br /> What is it they want to hear?<br /> <br /> This city has weird ordinances with shipping containers and the guy gave me 4 clear cut &quot;allowed&quot; reasons per the city.<br /> None of which are anything close to what I could pass for. Anyone looking at a glance that 6 containers stacked double high in a non-retail area are storing &quot;inventory&quot;, is not construction supplies, brought in by a truck to unload merchandise shipped in, and so forth.<br /> <br /> I just watched my previous landlord have to vacate his property due to similar issues with the city (I flew under the radar on this one) and completely get screwed. I&#039;m not being &quot;rigid&quot; about this, I&#039;m trying to make this work. I can&#039;t afford to get screwed by some stupid city beaurocrat with fines and all that stupid crap. As painful as it is I can afford <i>some </i>time to figure this out especially since there&#039;s another unrelated issue I need to resolve simultaniously. <br /> <br /> If I was trying to fly under the radar, sure whatever, it&#039;d be easy to fly by but I actually plan to grow and advertise the business so it&#039;s not like I wouldn&#039;t be found out what my business actually was. Also consider that I already tipped my hand by calling them and providing the address and telling them what I&#039;m doing.</div>

 

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[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">This reminds me of when my friend who owned a restaurant rang the govt food agency for some advice on filling out his documentation. They came and “randomly” inspected all his kitchens a week later ha</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21622" data-quote="JordanK" data-source="post: 1041967" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041967" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041967">JordanK said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Johnnyboy is right. The civil servants sit in their offices all day trying to feel important, inventing random roadblocks. They have never run a business themselves and don’t know how anything works.<br /> <br /> Its like why would you go to a lawyer for general business advice? They are going to hound you with the worst case scenarios for everything that you do. Sometimes you just gotta accept that there is risk in doing everything and calculate it into your projections.<br /> <br /> Put aside some money each month to deal with any future problems that arise and remember if they try to penalise you on the spot they’ll have to suggest the fixes.<br /> <br /> Best thing you can do is find someone in the area doing something similar and ask them or copy them.<br /> <br /> This thread started off good but increasingly sounds like you trying to justify to yourself why you aren’t going to pursue this business. Trying to pass off the blame. “I would have had a massive million dollar business if it wasn’t for those city council guys”.<br /> <br /> Doers - do and sort out the problems as they arise. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Excuse me. I thought I was coming to the entrepreneurs here for advice, not lawyers or gov&#039;t people. I came trying to ask how to make this work, and which of three options I should pursue.<br /> <br /> However that hasn&#039;t even been addressed, except the one guy who actually asked some questions to try to get some ideas. Maybe you can set aside some money to pay my penalties, because I&#039;m not there yet. I&#039;m still working to grow this thing. My competitors are all a lot bigger than I am and doing things the way I have has allowed me to break into the market in a way I haven&#039;t seen anyone else doing. <br /> <br /> Instead all I&#039;ve gotten so far is &quot;screw them, jerk it off, do whatever the hell you want just say the right things&quot; which sounds F*cking ridiculous<br /> <br /> FFS...I&#039;m just gonna find another yard in another city because of everybody&#039;s selective responses. There was 3 different scenarios I was asking about but everybody&#039;s focused on the one.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">Website: shittyusedtarpsforsale.com<br /> Throw some tarps in there on the floor<br /> Put a price tag on each one for fun<br /> There’s your inventory for your online shitty used tarps for sale business.<br /> Lock up your containers and if you want to be cheeky put a cheap little sign on the side<br /> Call up your local city planner and let him know “ohhh I see there was some confusion, I DO in fact use them for storage of inventory. I am a distributor and I store the inventory in my containers, that’s allowed right? Okay great thank you! Bye!”</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 69351" data-quote="yseent" data-source="post: 1041971" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041971" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041971">yseent said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Excuse me. I thought I was coming to the entrepreneurs here for advice, not lawyers or gov&#039;t people. I came trying to ask how to make this work, and which of three options I should pursue.<br /> <br /> However that hasn&#039;t even been addressed, except the one guy who actually asked some questions to try to get some ideas. Maybe you can set aside some money to pay my penalties, because I&#039;m not there yet. I&#039;m still working to grow this thing. My competitors are all a lot bigger than I am and doing things the way I have has allowed me to break into the market in a way I haven&#039;t seen anyone else doing. <br /> <br /> Instead all I&#039;ve gotten so far is &quot;screw them, jerk it off, do whatever the hell you want just say the right things&quot; which sounds F*cking ridiculous<br /> <br /> FFS...I&#039;m just gonna find another yard in another city because of everybody&#039;s selective responses. There was 3 different scenarios I was asking about but everybody&#039;s focused on the one. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Hey, calm down, this is such a non issue that it’s worth joking about. The solution is to simply ask which situations are allowable, and then slightly bring it into “compliance” because nobody can really prove you ARENT storing things in them usually. It’s like gender, you can just pick whatever you want and nobody can argue with you, even if it’s ridiculous.</div>

 

[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">The problem is that you see these three scenarios that have been dictated to you as your only options.<br /> <br /> I see fifty different scenarios at play here.</div>

 

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[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041973" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041973" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041973">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Website: shittyusedtarpsforsale.com<br /> Throw some tarps in there on the floor<br /> Put a price tag on each one for fun<br /> There’s your inventory for your online shitty used tarps for sale business.<br /> Lock up your containers and if you want to be cheeky put a cheap little sign on the side<br /> Call up your local city planner and let him know “ohhh I see there was some confusion, I DO in fact use them for storage of inventory. I am a distributor and I store the inventory in my containers, that’s allowed right? Okay great thank you! Bye!” </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>That sounds like a bigger hassle than what it&#039;s worth, and easier to just to find somewhere that&#039;ll work in a different municipality.<br /> Let alone the glaring contradiction that paints on my back when I plan push some marketing heavily.<br /> <br /> But I&#039;m glad you think it&#039;s funny.</div>

 

[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">Its a $10 domain name and $50 hosting/wordpress bro.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">You just need to make a little Russian doll thingy with them so you store one container inside the other. You’re golden. Lmao <br /> <br /> “The storage containers can’t be empty”<br /> “They aren’t. The large container holds the small one, the small one is the inventory”<br /> “Grrrrr….”</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">What are the 4 allowable uses for having a storage container on the property?<br /> <br /> And why can’t you just lie and then keep them locked?</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21622" data-quote="JordanK" data-source="post: 1041978" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041978" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041978">JordanK said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Its a $10 domain name and $50 hosting/wordpress bro. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>again, I might as well just go find somewhere else if I&#039;m gonna go through that trouble to just to publicly and obviously contradict myself.</div>

 

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[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041980" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041980" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041980">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> What are the 4 allowable uses for having a storage container on the property?<br /> <br /> And why can’t you just lie and then keep them locked? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Because for this property, having six containers stacked double high, would look obvious it&#039;s not any of these, and extremely out of place for the area it&#039;s in, and the property it&#039;s on. <br /> These are the reasons:<br /> <br /> <i>1.Shipping and receiving of merchandise and goods, provided that the Portable Container is removed within 30 days;<br /> <br /> 2.Storage of merchandise or goods, provided that the Portable Container is properly located according to the requirements of this Title;<br /> <br /> 3. If a Building Permit has been issued, storage Accessory to construction or remolding of a Structure located on the same Lot, provided that the Portable Container is removed within 180 days. The Community Development Department may approve 30-day extensions when construction or remolding is ongoing, and the Building Permit remains valid; or<br /> <br /> 4. A licensed firework stand limited to the times the fireworks stand may lawfully occupy a space as described in<a href="https://library.municode.com/ut/south_salt_lake/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=TIT8HESANUCOEN_CH8.18FI" target="_blank" class="link link--external" rel="noopener"> Chapter 8.18</a> of this Code.</i></div>

 

[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">Customers who you advertise to must agree to cover their goods with your special waterproof tarps that are included inside the container.<br /> <br /> If you think this issue highlighted in the thread is a major one then you have a storm of real problems coming for you! The reason you’ve had such silly and jokey responses to this thread is that for most longtime entrepreneurs this would be at the bottom of my daily priority list of issues to solve. Its borderline a non issue entirely!</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21622" data-quote="JordanK" data-source="post: 1041975" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041975" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041975">JordanK said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The problem is that you see these three scenarios that have been dictated to you as your only options.<br /> <br /> I see fifty different scenarios at play here. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>But yet you&#039;ve offered none of them and just come here tell me I&#039;m trying to make &quot;excuses&quot; <br /> <br /> Look, I&#039;ve never dealt with this shit before. I didn&#039;t come here asking &quot;why can&quot;t I&quot; it&#039;s &quot;how can I&quot; and the challenges I&#039;m running into that I&#039;m <br /> <br /> AND NO, the three optiosn weren&#039;t &quot;dictated to me&quot; you clearly didn&#039;t even take the time to read and understand what I originally wrote. Those are the three options I see as potentially a path forward. <br /> <br /> 1.Try to work it out with the landlord who I&#039;d lined this up with initially<br /> 2. Do this in another municipality where I can find a space that works<br /> 3. Do the business license from my home and not worry about the yard biz license?<br /> <br /> Those are my ideas, not dictated to me. Since I&#039;m clearly not as smart as you, if you have better ones, I&#039;d love to hear it. I&#039;m not the one who&#039;s focusing on or married to idea #1</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">As long as you comply with “properly located” then having anything that can possibly be construed as being a good or merchandise can be kept in them and you are following the rules. <br /> <br /> Are you worried you’ll get a letter saying you’re breaking the rules and be forced to pay?<br /> <br /> You will get that letter regardless of what’s inside of it. So just lock it up and conceal the appearance somewhat if you want to avoid any hassle. But if you just throw some bs stuff in there and say you’re storing goods, the law says you are compliant.</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 21622" data-quote="JordanK" data-source="post: 1041983" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041983" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041983">JordanK said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Customers who you advertise to must agree to cover their goods with your special waterproof tarps that are included inside the container.<br /> <br /> If you think this issue highlighted in the thread is a major one then you have a storm of real problems coming for you! The reason you’ve had such silly and jokey responses to this thread is that for most longtime entrepreneurs this would be at the bottom of my daily priority list of issues to solve. Its borderline a non issue entirely! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Except I&#039;m not a long time entrepreneur. I thought that was obvious. I have some experience in business but I didn&#039;t come here for help because I thought ya&#039;ll were at my level, but because you all were experienced much more than me with this and might have some ideas and reccomendations.<br /> <br /> I&#039;m glad that this is funny for you and it&#039;s a joke that I&#039;m working through this. For some reason I thought I might get a recommendation or idea that might be serious. I guess I was wrong. Thanks anyway.</div>

 

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[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">Answering your original question as clearly as possible: say you store inventory in them, get something written or recorded from the planner saying your situation would be in compliance, then get back to work. There’s not a way to “fight” something when no one is fighting you yet.</div>

 

[yseent]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 47954" data-quote="Johnny boy" data-source="post: 1041987" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/community/goto/post?id=1041987" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-1041987">Johnny boy said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> As long as you comply with “properly located” then having anything that can possibly be construed as being a good or merchandise can be kept in them and you are following the rules.<br /> <br /> Are you worried you’ll get a letter saying you’re breaking the rules and be forced to pay?<br /> <br /> You will get that letter regardless of what’s inside of it. So just lock it up and conceal the appearance somewhat if you want to avoid any hassle. But if you just throw some bs stuff in there and say you’re storing goods, the law says you are compliant. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Worried that I&#039;ll get a letter? No.<br /> Small concern in the back of my mind that worst case scenario have to move again creating time and expense unnecessarily. <i> But that&#039;s the most insignificant part of this.</i><br /> I still have a landlord, who has his business and other&#039;s on this property, and it&#039;s not just me acting alone or <i>potentially </i>facing consequences. It&#039;s not like this is my yard and he has to be on board with what I do, also.<br /> So with that said, it&#039;s not so much the issue of getting in trouble, a letter, whatever. I still need to get a business license to do this, and that&#039;s not all me &quot;being stiff&quot; or whatever BS it&#039;s required per my lease, and the landlord is right there, looking at my business every day it&#039;s not like I&#039;m sliding under the radar with him.<br /> I shouldn&#039;t have to explain all this or justify my original question/request for advice, but there you go.</div>

 

[JordanK]

<div class="bbWrapper">Ok I’ll give you a quick breakdown of how I would approach this problem. This isn’t an exact gameplan as every element has to be tweaked during the process as new hurdles arise.<br /> <br /> 1 - Identify my best case scenarios and the cost of that. Start with you buying a yard etc how much money, how long would that take you, how much do you have to scale up your current business to achieve this? Then the second scenario of renting a yard etc etc<br /> <br /> 2 - Identify other people who have run a similar business for the last 20+ years and are successful. Reach out to them for advice with specific, educated questions not just stuff you can google. You may have to build a personal or friendly relationship first. Are there networking events, trade shows or other areas where these people gather that’d make it easy for you?<br /> <br /> 3 - Sign a one year lease on current but not ideal place. (Assuming you think it’d take one year to get to the next stage of scaling your business). Do everything you can to be compliant to the best of your abilities or to technically fulfill the requirements to tick the boxes that need to be ticked.<br /> <br /> 4 - Operate the business and scale. Retain a good lawyer who is familiar with the business or at the very least have a discovery call/meeting with one who you can hit up in the future if you run into problems.<br /> <br /> 5 - Nothing happens and a year later you move your growing and successful business to your newly rented yard.<br /> <br /> Or 5 - You get a warning letter from the council. You have 30 days or something to reply. On the 29th day your lawyer sends them a letter saying you wish to appeal as you don’t believe there is a problem… two weeks later or something they come to your site to do an inspection and a week later you hear the details of their complaint. You have a week or two to reply. Again wait till the last day and lawyer responds saying you will appeal that. Blah blah blah lawyer stuff who are experts at making these sort of issues go around and around in circles for months over technicalities.<br /> <br /> 6 - The year finishes up and you notify the council that they can stop pursuing the issue as you no longer reside at that address so there is no violation.<br /> <br /> * I don’t know what the timelines are for responses, how the local legal system works where you are, the niche points within your industry that you can use to your legal advantage… thats up to you to figure out the specifics. This is a broad outline and not financial advice, just my own personal experience in the Real Estate industry.</div>

 

[Johnny boy]

<div class="bbWrapper">That’s all? You’re worried about getting the license? Then just apply and you’ll get it. Who has ever not received a standard business license after applying? Lol</div>