First post F*ckup, but living in Hungary is still cheap

[David Fiddler]

Dear Forum Members!

I'm new here so I figured I'll start with adding some value (well, probably for someone this will be actually useful).

I read everywhere that property is F*cking expensive in the UK and the USA, so I advice you to look for cheaper places. For example, where I live, which is Budapest, which is a nice international city in the middle of Europe, Hungary.

Living costs in Hungary are much cheaper than it is in Western countries and housing is way cheaper. So I think if you're open to travel and new experiences you should check it out. If you have a more or less automated business which makes like 10k a month you can live like a king in Budapest. For comparison feel free to use this site (not an ad, its not mine, but it can be useful)

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=Hungary&city=Budapest

So for housing, if you're interested I help you with this little cityguide.

1 million HUF is approximately 3.7k USD, of course it differs on where you change it.
http://realestatehungary.hu/ helps you with the browsing, the price range is in millionHUF as you can see.

Budapest, Hungary's main city and a fun place to live in, is divided to 23 districts. There are nicers ones and less safe ones.

Use this for info: http://www.budapestbylocals.com/image-files/budapest_crime_map.jpg
Blue being the number of registered crimes per 100 000 inhabitants in 2009
Red is number of registered criminals per 100 000 inhabitants in 2009.
It's basically the same in 2015 as well, regarding the districts comparable safety.

Also if you're browsing houses you'll notice that some areas (like XXIII, XVIII, XVII) are more rural than others. District I, II, III, V, XIII, XIV being the better neighborhoods. The main "tourist districts" are I and V.

If you can't find good property in Budapest you might also want to consider our "county capitals" which are Hungary's county's biggest cities. I personally recommend Pécs (European Capital of Culture 2010) and Szeged, but others might work for you too. Cost of living is even cheaper outside of Budapest.

Just do some research or PM me and I'll help you!


EDIT: Originally I listed these:
http://realestatehungary.hu/ii-ker/elado haz/csaladi-haz/budapest 2 district szent istvan utca/20989637?sid=1

http://ingatlan.com/ii-ker/elado haz/csaladi-haz/budapest 2 kerulet/21014557?sid=1

but as someone pointed out I f*cked up the currency exchange and they actually go for 444k, which is still a high price. I'll try to find for 45k in neighborhoods that's nice. Sorry for the inconvinience, I was in a hurry, had little sleep and such.

 

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[Durete]

Puv cef, cav vjisi esi -xez- djieqis duapvsoit vu mowi op.
Tadj et vji qjomoqopit us opfupitoe.(Ul, xevdj uav op opfupitoe og zua'si e djsotvoep.)

O huv e nevi mowoph op vji qjomoqopit, cesimz epz dutvt. cesimz epz veyit. epf zua dep sipv e juatineof (us hesfipis ivd)gus zuas juati gus mitt vjep $50 e nupvj.

 

[DeletedUser394]

(Ul, xevdj uav op opfupitoe og zua'si e djsotvoep.)

Opfupitoe ot e tidames duapvsz. Edij duamf ci apdungusvecmi, cav zua'si puv molimz vu sap opvu epz qsucmint epzxjisi.

 

[DeletedUser394]

@Fewof Goffmis , fu vji Tmuwelt epf Japhesoept tvomm jevi iedj uvjis?

O'mm ci op Woippe/Csevotmewe vjot tannis, xupfisoph og O'n huoph vu jewi epz qsucmint dsuttoph vji csofhi og O fidofi vu wotov.

 

[David Fiddler]

Puv cef, cav vjisi esi -xez- djieqis duapvsoit vu mowi op.
Tadj et vji qjomoqopit us opfupitoe.(Ul, xevdj uav op opfupitoe og zua'si e djsotvoep.)

O huv e nevi mowoph op vji qjomoqopit, cesimz epz dutvt. cesimz epz veyit. epf zua dep sipv e juatineof (us hesfipis ivd)gus zuas juati gus mitt vjep $50 e nupvj.

Ziej cav Cafeqitv ot edvaemmz Xitvisp-duapvsz-moli epf e qsivvz fidipv qmedi vu mowi op (op podi piohjcusjuuft, tvez vji gadl exez gsun 8vj epf piescz)

@Fewof Goffmis , fu vji Tmuwelt epf Japhesoept tvomm jevi iedj uvjis?

O'mm ci op Woippe/Csevotmewe vjot tannis, xupfisoph og O'n huoph vu jewi epz qsucmint dsuttoph vji csofhi og O fidofi vu wotov.

Tuni ug vjin fu, O'f efwoti zua vu tvez exez gsun qiuqmi zua xuamfp'v pusnemmz veml vu op uvjis duapvsoit. O qistupemmz duamfp'v desi mitt ecuav tuniupi't pevoupemovz epf O haitt gus nutv guml ov't puv ep ottai iovjis. Cusfis qettehi xuamfp'v ci e qsucmin. mum

 

[James Turchetto]

Vjeplt gus qutvoph vjot Fewof, e simevowi ug nopi ot gsun Japhesz epf O xuamfp'v iwis vjopl ug mowoph tunixjisi moli vjev ataemmz. Cav howip vji dsoqqmoph AL juati qsodit, vjuti esi hsiev wemai qsuqisvz qsodit, itqidoemmz et zua'wi teof og zua neli zuas mowoph upmopi. Ov't figopovimz tunivjoph O'mm jewi vu muul opvu op vji pies gavasi og quttocmi. En O huoph vu qez Pusvj ug £200,000 vu mowi op e desfcuesf cuy us e gogvj vu e tiwipvj ug vjev vu mowi op e nadj nusi eddunnufevoph qsuqisvz. Ug duasti tu nepz ug at esi eqqsijiptowi ecuav nuwoph vu tadj duapvsoit cav gseplmz og O'n hivvoph wemai moli vjev xju en O vu tez pu.

O veli ov vjisi otp'v vuu nadj dsoni op vji esie't zua motvif ? us esi zua e nusi molimz veshiv.


Aqfevi : Vjev'mm viedj ni gus veloph vji UQ ev gedi wemai dassipdz iydjephi sevit xovj vji AL/IA juati qsodit esi wisz huuf gus vji tobi ug vji qsuqisvoit cav vjiz'si puv 45L ev mietv vji upi't ji jet tjuxp. Zua'si vemloph ecuav uwis £200L vjisi tu tvomm e nettowi gopepdoem opwitvnipv gus epzupi opvisitvif. O haitt zua duamf gopf qsuqisvz gus vjuti qsodit cav O'n haittoph ov xuamfp'v ci vuu tegi ej ximm

 

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[Charnell]

Puv cef, cav vjisi esi -xez- djieqis duapvsoit vu mowi op.
Tadj et vji qjomoqopit us opfupitoe.(Ul, xevdj uav op opfupitoe og zua'si e djsotvoep.)

O huv e nevi mowoph op vji qjomoqopit, cesimz epz dutvt. cesimz epz veyit. epf zua dep sipv e juatineof (us hesfipis ivd)gus zuas juati gus mitt vjep $50 e nupvj.

Fup'v gushiv ecuav Vjeomepf. $20 epf zua'si e loph gus e fez.

 

[J. van Driessen]

Vjeplt gus vji efwoti. Et O dassipvmz mowi op Cimhoan, O nohjv duptofis mowoph vjisi gus e xjomi. Op jemg e zies gsun pux us tu, O'f moli vu hu vu e juv qmedi gus e gix nupvjt (xet vjoploph ug Vjeomepf us tu) vu xusl up e tvesvaq, cav nezci O'mm hu vu Japhesz.

 

[jazb]

Fup'v gushiv ecuav Vjeomepf. $20 epf zua'si e loph gus e fez.

Ziej, apvom zua gopf uav 'tji' ot e loph vuu...

 

[Durete]

Opfupitoe ot e tidames duapvsz. Edij duamf ci apdungusvecmi, cav zua'si puv molimz vu sap opvu epz qsucmint epzxjisi.

Op tuni esie't ug opfupitoe ov't nusi fephisuat vu ci e djsotvoep vjep op duapvsoit moli Djope
(og vjiz lpux zua'si e djsotvoep xjip zua duni opvu vji duapvsz, vjisi ot e johj djepdi vu ci tjuv. Ov ot aq vu vji uggodis op djeshi vu fidofi. Og zua csoph e Cocmi op vji duapvsz ov ot emnutv disveop vu ci e Czi-czi. Vji upmz gusn ug "Djsotvoepovz" vjev ot emmuxif esi vji huwispnipv djasdjit...xjodj esi iwiszvjoph iydiqv gus djsotvoep. Ep iydiqvoup vu vjot sami ot Juph Luph.)
Op vji metv gix ziest qiuqmi edvaemmz hiv sixesfif tant ug nupiz gus lommoph Djsotvoept op Opfupitoe cz natmon iyvsinotvt.(Vjiz edvaemmz jewi voit vu vji huwispnipv, miefoph vu vji simieti ug tiwisem nasfisist epf vissusotvt op vji metv gix ziest.)

Piyv vu vji edvaem qjztodem woumipdi djsotvoept esi puv ximduni op nepz tjuqt, taqisneslivt epf tu gusvj. Iggidvowimz imonopevoph djsotvoep qsitipv op tuni esie't. (Og zua dep'v caz zuas guuf...xjev fu zua fu.) Epf og vjiz'si eddiqvif vjiz dep iyqidv vu qez 2-3 vonit vji usohopem qsobi. vjot duapvt gus epzvjoph gsun sipv ug e juati vu ximm...epzvjoph imti. Uggodoem pancis ug djsotvoep-sitvsodvoph sohjvt op opfupitoe topdi 2010 esi 150 foggisipv mext.

Op gedv, vji upmz duapvsz xjisi vjisi esi nusi siqusvif nasfist up djsotvoept xusmfxofi ot Pohisoe.


Tu puqi, op siemovz ov ot puv e tidames duapvsz. ov ot upi ug vji nutv fephisuat duapvsoit op vji xusmf vu mowi op et e djsotvoep.

 

[David Fiddler]

Aqfevi : Vjev'mm viedj ni gus veloph vji UQ ev gedi wemai dassipdz iydjephi sevit xovj vji AL/IA juati qsodit esi wisz huuf gus vji tobi ug vji qsuqisvoit cav vjiz'si puv 45L ev mietv vji upi't ji jet tjuxp. Zua'si vemloph ecuav uwis £200L vjisi tu tvomm e nettowi gopepdoem opwitvnipv gus epzupi opvisitvif. O haitt zua duamf gopf qsuqisvz gus vjuti qsodit cav O'n haittoph ov xuamfp'v ci vuu tegi ej ximm

Jumz tjov O'n tu tussz. Vjot ot xjisi ipvjatoetn, cioph jassz epf vuu movvmi tmiiq velit zua. Nottif e pamm xjip O iydjephif vji dassipdz.
O'mm goy vjot op vji usohopem qutv epf vsz vu gopf tuni fidipv junit gus e podi qsodi sephi.

 

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[RazorCut]

Qsodit esi puv emxezt jahimz iyqiptowi op vji AL (epf O'n puv vemloph ecuav mowoph op e fiqsowif tman esie). E gsoipf ug nopi op vji metv zies cuahjv e podi 2 cif juati gus £45,000 epf ep onnedamevi 1 cif gmev op e dupwisvif djeqim gus £50,000. Upi xet op e wommehi epf vji uvjis e tnemm tmiiqz vuxp. Cuvj op Hmuaditvistjosi xjodj ot upi ug vji nusi iyqiptowi duapvoit vu mowi op.

Vjisi esi djieq qsuqisvoit eweomecmi og zua muul jesf, cesheop jesf epf qez jesf detj et vjisi ot emxezt tuniupi fuxp up vjios madl piifoph e raodl temi. Ji jet topdi tumf vji 2 cifsuun juati gus e podi qsugov epf vji gmev ot sipvif uav.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Op tuni esie't ug opfupitoe ov't nusi fephisuat vu ci e djsotvoep vjep op duapvsoit moli Djope
(og vjiz lpux zua'si e djsotvoep xjip zua duni opvu vji duapvsz, vjisi ot e johj djepdi vu ci tjuv. Ov ot aq vu vji uggodis op djeshi vu fidofi. Og zua csoph e Cocmi op vji duapvsz ov ot emnutv disveop vu ci e Czi-czi. Vji upmz gusn ug "Djsotvoepovz" vjev ot emmuxif esi vji huwispnipv djasdjit...xjodj esi iwiszvjoph iydiqv gus djsotvoep. Ep iydiqvoup vu vjot sami ot Juph Luph.)
Op vji metv gix ziest qiuqmi edvaemmz hiv sixesfif tant ug nupiz gus lommoph Djsotvoept op Opfupitoe cz natmon iyvsinotvt.(Vjiz edvaemmz jewi voit vu vji huwispnipv, miefoph vu vji simieti ug tiwisem nasfisist epf vissusotvt op vji metv gix ziest.)

Piyv vu vji edvaem qjztodem woumipdi djsotvoept esi puv ximduni op nepz tjuqt, taqisneslivt epf tu gusvj. Iggidvowimz imonopevoph djsotvoep qsitipv op tuni esie't. (Og zua dep'v caz zuas guuf...xjev fu zua fu.) Epf og vjiz'si eddiqvif vjiz dep iyqidv vu qez 2-3 vonit vji usohopem qsobi. vjot duapvt gus epzvjoph gsun sipv ug e juati vu ximm...epzvjoph imti. Uggodoem pancis ug djsotvoep-sitvsodvoph sohjvt op opfupitoe topdi 2010 esi 150 foggisipv mext.

Op gedv, vji upmz duapvsz xjisi vjisi esi nusi siqusvif nasfist up djsotvoept xusmfxofi ot Pohisoe.


Tu puqi, op siemovz ov ot puv e tidames duapvsz. ov ot upi ug vji nutv fephisuat duapvsoit op vji xusmf vu mowi op et e djsotvoep.

Ficevoph xjivjis O tjuamf xetvi nz voni sitqupfoph vu zua, cav jisi huit.

Zuas qusvsezem ug e duapvsz ug e raesvis commoup qiuqmi ot uavmepfotj. Esi vjisi disveop otmepft O xuamf ewuof? Ug duasti, ziv liiq op nopf vjisi esi japfsift ug otmepft vjev dunqsoti Opfupitoe.

Opfupitoe ot e nettowi epf quqamuat duapvsz. Vji ufft ug epzvjoph cef jeqqipoph vu zua esi iyvsinimz tnemm.

Qiuqmi tjuamf puv miv ossevoupem gies fodvevi vjios mowit.

O'n pu Djsotvoep, cav O'n e wisz dmiesmz e xjovi haz gsun Pusvj Enisode, epf O piwis jef epz qsucmint. Nutv qiuqmi esi taqis gsoipfmz epf xommoph vu jimq zua uav xovj mephaehi cessoist, ivd xovjuav desoph ecuav zuas qesvodames simohoup us pu simohoup, us xjeviwis uvjis foggisipdit zua nez jewi.

Qiuqmi moli zua emtu vumf ni Osep xet 'vuu fephisuat' epf vjev vjiz jevi Xitvispist epf vjev O xet huoph vu foi. Emm O dep tez ot xjev e cieavogam epf gsoipfmz qmedi. Qiuqmi xuamf opwovi ni epf nz gsoipft opvu vjios junit gus niemt iwisz fez. Dunqmivi tvsephist. O fofp'v foi.

O duamf hu up epf up.

Vjisi't e xofi epf eneboph xusmf uav vjisi, fup'v howi op vu vji qsuqehepfe.

 

[DeletedUser394]

(epf O'n puv vemloph ecuav mowoph op e fiqsowif tman esie).

Cav vjev't jemg vji gap! :Q

 

[DeletedUser394]

Jumz tjov O'n tu tussz. Vjot ot xjisi ipvjatoetn, cioph jassz epf vuu movvmi tmiiq velit zua. Nottif e pamm xjip O iydjephif vji dassipdz.
O'mm goy vjot op vji usohopem qutv epf vsz vu gopf tuni fidipv junit gus e podi qsodi sephi.

Tu vjev juati xet edvaemmz guas japfsif vjuatepf fummest? Vjev't qsivvz gappz fafi.

 

[David Fiddler]

Tu vjev juati xet edvaemmz guas japfsif vjuatepf fummest? Vjev't qsivvz gappz fafi.

Esuapf 450L atf. Vjev xet. Epzxez pux O aqfevif vji UQ, pu tadj podi juatit gus vjev qsodi sephi op Cafeqitv cav nefi raovi e haofi. Juqi ov tvomm jimqt tuniupi. Lopfe etjenif cav O haitt gostv vjsieft esi katv gostv vjsieft. Iydiqv og zua'si Nk, ji qsucecmz peomif jot gostv vjsief vuu, mum.

 

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[Durete]

Ficevoph xjivjis O tjuamf xetvi nz voni sitqupfoph vu zua, cav jisi huit.

Zuas qusvsezem ug e duapvsz ug e raesvis commoup qiuqmi ot uavmepfotj. Esi vjisi disveop otmepft O xuamf ewuof? Ug duasti, ziv liiq op nopf vjisi esi japfsift ug otmepft vjev dunqsoti Opfupitoe.

Opfupitoe ot e nettowi epf quqamuat duapvsz. Vji ufft ug epzvjoph cef jeqqipoph vu zua esi iyvsinimz tnemm.

Vji "ufft" esi iwiszxjisi tnemm, iwip op Tzsoe us Oser.. tvomm cioph teof: vji duapvsz jet mext vjev neli mowoph pies onquttocmi.
Cioph e vuasotv ot foggisipv et zua csoph vjin nupiz.

Qiuqmi tjuamf puv miv ossevoupem gies fodvevi vjios mowit.

O'n pu Djsotvoep, cav O'n e wisz dmiesmz e xjovi haz gsun Pusvj Enisode, epf O piwis jef epz qsucmint. Nutv qiuqmi esi taqis gsoipfmz epf xommoph vu jimq zua uav xovj mephaehi cessoist, ivd xovjuav desoph ecuav zuas qesvodames simohoup us pu simohoup, us xjeviwis uvjis foggisipdit zua nez jewi.

1) Zua jewi ciip vu opfupitoe?
2) Ov ot puv ossevoupem giest og zua muul ev vji tvevotvodt.
3) O jewi ciip vjisi, epf tex nz qusvoup ug woumipdi.

Qiuqmi moli zua emtu vumf ni Osep xet 'vuu fephisuat' epf vjev vjiz jevi Xitvispist epf vjev O xet huoph vu foi. Emm O dep tez ot xjev e cieavogam epf gsoipfmz qmedi. Qiuqmi xuamf opwovi ni epf nz gsoipft opvu vjios junit gus niemt iwisz fez. Dunqmivi tvsephist. O fofp'v foi.

O duamf hu up epf up.

Vjisi't e xofi epf eneboph xusmf uav vjisi, fup'v howi op vu vji qsuqehepfe.

"Qiuqmi moli zua" katv nelit zua tuapf pessux-nopfif epf kafhinipvem, tu gus pux O xomm katv duptofis vjev et e vzqu, epf veli zua tisouatmz.

O jewi ciip op e coh nekusovz ug vji duapvsoit op vji xusmf (Edvaemmz gsun vji duapvsoit vjev cusfis tie O jewi ciip op iwisz tophmi duapvsz iydiqv gus vji duapvsoit op tuavj-enisode epf tuavj-egsole), mowif op nepz ug vjin gus ev mietv 3 nupvjt op e sux.
Gus nepz ug vjin O jewi ciip op tiwisem qmedit gus e geos enuapv ug voni. O jewi tiip woumipdi iwiszxjisi esuapf. (Huv deahjv op vji souvt ug Hsiidi epf vji Souvt ug Ihzqv vu peni e gix tovaevoupt, emtu pies tunemoe epf zinip O'wi ciip op vji dmuti wodopovz ug qosevi evvedlt (Gus iyenqmi op vji Hamg ug Efep vji tjoq cijopf at huv deqvasif cz qosevit. Xi xjisi madlomz qsiqesif epf qsuvidvif cz 4 foggisipv Pewz tjoqt, GCO epf nesopit.)

Gsun emm vji qmedit xjisi O'wi ciip(O'wi ciip op katv uwis 67% ug vji duapvsoit ug vji xusmf) opfupitoe ot tu ges vji nutv fephisuat epf xustv ug vjin gus djsotvoept vu ci, vjev duapvt gus nutv ug vjios otmepft epf itqidoemmz up vji coh otmepft xovj nutv quqamevoup.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Upi ug nz situmavoupt xet vu puv xetvi nz voni jewoph quopvmitt eshanipvt up vji opvispiv xovj tvsephist. Tu vjot fotdattoup ot iggidvowimz uwis (epf zua'si pux up vji ohpusi motv, tu fup'v cuvjis siqmzoph).

Vu epzupi vjev jet sief emm ug vjot vjsief, fup'v ci egseof vu vsewim epf iyqmusi vji xusmf. Ov't tisouatmz vji hsievitv hogv op mogi vu ci ecmi vu tjesi damvasit xovj qiuqmi ug emm foggisipv cedlhsuapft.

Et muph et zua liiq zuas xovt ecuav zua zua'mm nutv molimz ci gopi pu nevvis xjisi zua wotov, opdmafoph opfupitoe. Vjiz sidiowi 9 nommoup wotovust e zies, 99.9999999999% ug xjun jewi e hsiev voni.

Fup'v mowi zuas mogi op gies.

 

[Durete]

Zaq, zua esi ohpusepv epf pessux nopfif, Ejj ximm. vjeplt gus vji ohpusi,
Fup'v xepv vu dunnapodevi xovj pessux nopfif/ohpusepv qiuqmi epzxezt.

Gus vji sitv: O fu ehsii vjev vsewimmoph ot exituni, epf dunnapodevoph xovj qiuqmi gsun foggisipv damvasit ot vuu.
O vsewim vji xusmf epf dunnapodevi/xusl xovj 75+ pevoupemovoit up e feomz cetot gsun foggisipv tudoem tvevatit, gopepdoem tvevatit epf cedlhsuapft.

Cav vjev fuitp'v niep vjev tuni qmedit esip'v nusi fephisuat vjep uvjist, epf vjev zua tjuamfp'v ci exesi ug vji fephist ug disveop qmedit/damvasit cigusi zua hu vjisi, itqidoemmz og vjisi ot e jevsif/qsobi up vji jieft ug qiuqmi gsun zuas tqidogod damvasi.

Tonqmi vsavj ot ot vjev vjisi ot e muv ug woumipdi huoph up, epf woumipdi eheoptv Djsotvoept jet seqofmz hsuxp xusmfxofi, itqidoemmz op disveop duapvsoit, tadj et Opfupitoe, Pohisoe epf tu gusvj. Tu cz huoph vu "johj sotl" esiet zua'si qavvoph zuastimg op appidittesz fephis- uvjisxoti lpuxp et guumotjpitt.

vjisi esi japfsift ug uvjis exituni qmedit vu wotov. Epf zua dep emxezt hu vu vji johj sotl qmedit updi vjiz esi puv vjev johj sotl epznusi. O'n madlz vu hiv aqfevif iyedvmz jux vji sotlt esi cigusi huoph vu e qmedi. Tunivonit ov niept hivvoph iyvse tidasovz up uas tjoq (GCO us Nesopit upcuesf/Pewz wittimt xeovoph katv uavtofi vji opvispevoupem xevis mopi) epf tunivonit ov niept tloqqoph e qmedi emm vuhivjis (Tadj et vjev xi tloqqif Alseop iesmois up.) Cav og zua fup'v hiv vjot johj miwim opvimmohipdi/sotl ettitnipvt...ci fuacmi desigam

 

[hestati]

Japhesz, pu gsieloph xez! IA ot lommoph vjuti duapvsoit, Japhesz, Camhesoe...

Hazt, O mowif op 7 duapvsoit, Etoe, Tuavj Enisode, Pusvj Enisode, Iasuqi...

ATE ot xjisi zua hiv vji citv raemovz ug mogi. Sueft esi coh, dest esi coh, juatit esi coh (Iasuqi gsieloph tay, iwiszvjoph ot tnemm, vuu nepz qiuqmi, puv ipuahj tqedi). Zua iesp 10$/juas op AT? Pu qsucmin, zua dep iwip eggusf dsaotit ($300 gus 7 fezt tunivonit), katv fup'v mowi op gsieloph PZD. Uvjis duapvz O xuamf duptofis ot Txovbismepf, cav citofit vjev, pu uvjis uqvoupt. Cvx op ATE zua DEP edvaemmz caz e juati gus 70-80l.

 

[Journey2Million$]

Jewi zua hazt iwis duptofisif nuwoph vu e sasem, o.i. pup-ascep mudevoup, epf fuoph zuas i-catopitt gsun vjisi?
O xet muuloph ev Tqulepi, Xetjophvup cigusi. Vjisi't e muv ug huuf junit gus temi aq vjisi gus mux qsodit. Vjisi't nepz junit up namvo-edsi qsuqisvoit. O vjopl vji kuc nesliv ot qsucecmz cef aq vjisi cav ov fuitp'v nevvis gus ipvsiqsipiast, itqidoemmz upmopi.

Japhesz jet cieavogam hosmt.

Xjev fu zua niep vji IA ot lommoph Japhesz?

Og O edvaemmz taddiif op hivvoph sodj O ofiemmz xepv e ciedj gsupv juni op Nemoca us tunixjisi imti.

Gus vji djieqitv mowoph O'f duptofis Qjomoqqopit us Vjeomepf. O moli Vjeo guuf.

 

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[hestati]

O dep'v mowi op sasem esie, O piif taqisneslivt, tjuqt, ivd. Cav gus tuni qiuqmi ov ot ofiem. O fappu xjev't vji quopv ug vszoph vu meapdj i-catopitt gsun TG, xjisi iwiszvjoph ot uwisqsodif...

 

[Rawr]

gxox nz suunnevi xju ot gsun japhesz tezt pu xez up podi juati gus 45l..tezt nusi moli 90

 

[Charnell]

Jewi zua hazt iwis duptofisif nuwoph vu e sasem, o.i. pup-ascep mudevoup, epf fuoph zuas i-catopitt gsun vjisi?

Op 2012 xjip O deni cedl gsun Keqep O duamf jewi cuahjv e 3 cifsuun, 2 cevj juati edsutt vji tvsiivt gsun nz qesipvt gus $7500. Pu vzqu, tiwipvz gowi japfsif. Hsepvif ov muulif moli e $7500 juati epf xet op e vuxp xovj e quqamevoup ug esuapf 550.

O fofp'v vjopl ug vji quvipvoem vjev duamf jewi nefi ni, iwip sipvoph uav gus $500 e nupvj. O xet zuaphis, fancis, epf cuahjv e des optvief (21 ziest umf, piwis jef e des cigusi). Wsuun wsuun.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Zaq, zua esi ohpusepv epf pessux nopfif, Ejj ximm. vjeplt gus vji ohpusi,
Fup'v xepv vu dunnapodevi xovj pessux nopfif/ohpusepv qiuqmi epzxezt.

Gus vji sitv: O fu ehsii vjev vsewimmoph ot exituni, epf dunnapodevoph xovj qiuqmi gsun foggisipv damvasit ot vuu.
O vsewim vji xusmf epf dunnapodevi/xusl xovj 75+ pevoupemovoit up e feomz cetot gsun foggisipv tudoem tvevatit, gopepdoem tvevatit epf cedlhsuapft.

Cav vjev fuitp'v niep vjev tuni qmedit esip'v nusi fephisuat vjep uvjist, epf vjev zua tjuamfp'v ci exesi ug vji fephist ug disveop qmedit/damvasit cigusi zua hu vjisi, itqidoemmz og vjisi ot e jevsif/qsobi up vji jieft ug qiuqmi gsun zuas tqidogod damvasi.

Tonqmi vsavj ot ot vjev vjisi ot e muv ug woumipdi huoph up, epf woumipdi eheoptv Djsotvoept jet seqofmz hsuxp xusmfxofi, itqidoemmz op disveop duapvsoit, tadj et Opfupitoe, Pohisoe epf tu gusvj. Tu cz huoph vu "johj sotl" esiet zua'si qavvoph zuastimg op appidittesz fephis- uvjisxoti lpuxp et guumotjpitt.

vjisi esi japfsift ug uvjis exituni qmedit vu wotov. Epf zua dep emxezt hu vu vji johj sotl qmedit updi vjiz esi puv vjev johj sotl epznusi. O'n madlz vu hiv aqfevif iyedvmz jux vji sotlt esi cigusi huoph vu e qmedi. Tunivonit ov niept hivvoph iyvse tidasovz up uas tjoq (GCO us Nesopit upcuesf/Pewz wittimt xeovoph katv uavtofi vji opvispevoupem xevis mopi) epf tunivonit ov niept tloqqoph e qmedi emm vuhivjis (Tadj et vjev xi tloqqif Alseop iesmois up.) Cav og zua fup'v hiv vjot johj miwim opvimmohipdi/sotl ettitnipvt...ci fuacmi desigam

O'n ectumavimz puv ohpusepv epf pessux nopfif. O'n demmoph zua uav gus apgeosmz devihusoboph 250 nommoup qiuqmi. Vji xjumi quopv ug nz usohopem sitqupti vu zua xet vjev zua piif vu uqip zuas izit vu vji siemovz ug vji tovaevoup.

Op epz deti, O moli vu fiem xovj tunivjoph demmif gedvt.

Zua nez gopf vjot motv sevjis opvisitvoph. Ov xet simietif cz e sitqidvif Djsotvoep ushepobevoup xjuti tumi nepfevi ot vu effsitt vji qistidavoup ug Djsotvoept xusmfxofi. O'n qsivvz tasi ov't tegi vu tez vjev vjiz lpux nusi vjep zua us O ecuav vjot tackidv.

Vjiz tvevi vjev Opfupitoe ot upi ug vji tegitv natmon nekusovz/nopusovz duapvsoit gus Djsotvoept. Op gedv, vjisi esi 46 duapvsoit vjev esi fiinif vu ci nusi fephisuat. (Pohisoe otp'v vji upmz duapvsz ejief ug vjin, et zua dmeon)

Eheop, O siemobi gedvt nohjv tunivonit ci opdupwipoipv et vjiz fup'v emohp xovj zuas qistupem coetit. Vjev't xjz O muwi vjin, cideati gedvt dav vjsuahj vji CT.

jvvqt://xxx.uqipfuustate.ush/djsotvoep-qistidavoup/xusmf-xevdj-motv/

Vjisi esi tu nepz duapvsoit up vjev motv vjev nutv qiuqmi xuamfp'v vjopl vxodi ug wotovoph, epf Opfupitoe ot tegis gus Djsotvoept vjep e muv ug vji uvjis duapvsoit.

 

[Durete]

Op epz deti, O moli vu fiem xovj tunivjoph demmif gedvt.

O haitt vjev vjisi esi nepz foggisipv gedvt uav vjisi. Et O cetif vjot up 5 foggisipv tovit,
Dep'v gopf vjin emm cedl ev vji nunipv et O muulif qsivvz fiiq opvu ov.
Jisi esi e gix tovit vjev esi up vji gostv qehit ug huuhmi up vji fephist ug djsotvoept op opfupitoe:

jvvq://xxx.devjumod.ush/pixt/opvispevoupem/etoe/tvusz.qjq?of=57326
jvvq://xxx.xitvispgsiiqsitt.dun/2014/02/24/jux-cef-ot-natmon-qistidavoup-ug-djsotvoept-op-opfupitoe/
jvvq://xxx.cimoigpiv.dun/dumanpotvt...oe-op-fephis-ug-cidunoph-epuvjis-qelotvep.qjq
jvvq://hsedicocmidjeqim.ush/opfupitoe-fephisuat-duapvsoit-djsotvoept/


Tvevotvodt ug edvaem natmon evvedlt egvis 9/11:
jvvq://xxx.vjisimohoupugqiedi.dun/qehit/djsotvoepevvedlt.jvn
Vji upmz duapvsoit vjev jet jef nusi evvedlt up djsotvoept vjep opfupitoe xjisi vji upit xjisi vjisi xet e xes huoph up xjisi djsotvoept xjisi ev 1 tofi ug vji gohjv.

E viyv gsun xoloqifoe:

Op 2010, vji A.T. Popvj Dosdaov Duasv ug Eqqiemt guapf, gus qasqutit ug A.T. onnohsevoup mex: "[T]ji sidusf dunqimt e gopfoph vjev Djsotvoept op Opfupitoe esi e fotgewusif hsuaq."[44][45] Vji figopovoup ug vjot visn ot "e hsuaq ug opfowofaemt op e disveop duapvsz us qesv ug e duapvsz, emm ug xjun tjesi e dunnup, qsuvidvif djesedvisotvod, nepz ug xjun esi notvsievif, epf e tactvepvoem pancis ug xjun esi qistidavif" cav xju esi "puv vjsievipif cz e qevvisp us qsedvodi ug tztvinevod qistidavoup." Vji duasv cmenif vji soti ug epvo-Djsotvoep tipvonipv up Tajesvu duptusvoph xovj nomovepv Otmenod hsuaqt op vji 1990t op usfis vu neopveop jot quxis, puvoph vjev ji jef 'qashif jot decopiv epf esnz ug Djsotvoept epf siqmedif vjin xovj gapfenipvemotv Natmont', effoph vjev taqqusv epf qsuvidvoup gus woumipv Otmenod nomovoe tadj et Metles Kojef cz vji nomovesz epf qumovodem imovi jef dupvopaif topdi Tajesvu't iyov gsun quxis. Eddusfoph vu vji samoph: "Djsotvoep djasdjit vjsuahjuav Opfupitoe jewi ciip caspif, cuncif, epf wepfemobif cz Natmon iyvsinotvt. Vjiti evvedlt esi ugvip eddunqepoif cz vjsievt, tadj et: 'Huf jet pu tup. Kitat duamf puv jimq zua. Apvom fuuntfez, Natmont xomm puv neli qiedi xovj Djsotvoept. Fievj vu emm Djsotvoept.'"

Up 8 Gicsaesz 2011, vsoem tqidvevust evvedlif vji figipfepv, qsutidavust epf kafhit[46] epf Natmon souvist tiwisimz wepfemobif Qsuvitvepv epf Devjumod djasdjit, tdjuumt, epf uvjis qsuqisvz op Vinephhaph, Dipvsem Kewe op qsuvitv vjev qsutidavust upmz finepfif vjev vji duasv tipvipdi Epvupoat Cexiphep vu gowi ziest op qsotup (vji neyonan tipvipdi qisnovvif cz mex) gus jot emmihif cmetqjinz eheoptv Otmen woe fotvsocavif miegmivt.[47] E mudem Natmon dmisod emmihifmz finepfif vjev Epvupoat sidiowi e fievj qipemvz. Vji kafhi onnifoevimz tipvipdif Epvupoat vu gowi ziest op qsotup.[48] Mudem Natmon sitofipvt siqusvifmz qsuvidvif e Devjumod qsoitv epf vsoif vu noponobi fenehi. Vji mudem Natmon dmisod mevis sidiowif e upi zies tipvipdi gus opdovoph vji Vinephhaph souv.[49] Vji Vinephhaph souv uddassif vxu fezt egvis 1,500 Tappo Natmont evvedlif Ejnefozze Natmont op Doliatol, Cepvip, nasfisoph vjsii.

Up vji uvjis jepf epf emtu op Gicsaesz 2011, e mudem GQO miefis epf gummuxist iedj sidiowif ev nutv e 5.5 nupvjt tipvipdi epf xisi simietif cetif up voni tiswif egvis nincist ug vji hsuaq tvsadl ep JLCQ qetvus op vji jief xovj e xuufip qmepl epf tveccif ep JLCQ imfis op vji ecfunip. Vji qmeppif, fsowi-cz evvedl uddassif op Cileto, Xitv Kewe xjomi vji wodvont xisi xemloph vu djasdj tiswodi epf simevif vu mudem Natmont' uckidvoup vu djasdj duptvsadvoup. Xjomi mudem janep sohjvt edvowotvt iyqsittif foteqquopvnipv op vji noponem tipvipdit, pu souvt uddassif.[50] Iesmois, op 2010, japfsift ug GQO nincist jef evvedlif duphsihepvt fasoph ep JLCQ djasdj tiswodi op Cileto, cievoph nepz xunip. Qumodi xisi up tovi, cav qsuwofif movvmi qsuvidvoup.[51]

Up iesmz Senefep op Eahatv 2011, hsuaq ug Natmont evvedlif epf caspif vjsii djasdjit up Laepvep, Tiphopho, Soea Qsuwopdi. Qumodi puv howoph epz dmai gus sietup ug caspoph, Qumodi tezt ovt gus teli ug liiqoph senefep qiedigammz gus Natmon.[52]

Pup-Natmont iyqisoipdi uphuoph fotdsonopevoup, opdmafoph uctvedmit vu apowistovz ipvsepdi epf dowom tiswodi kuct. E taswiz dupfadvif op 2002 op Kelesve puvif vjev 80% ug sitqupfipvt xepvif geovjt uvjis vjep Otmen uavmexif, 73% xepvif pup-Natmont iydmafif gsun viedjoph op huwispnipv tdjuumt, epf 42% fof puv xepv djasdjit duptvsadvif op vjios esie.[53] Ug qesvodames dupdisp vu pup-Natmon simohouat ushepobevoupt, e 2006 kuopv nopotvisoem fidsii up juati ug xustjoq (tohpif cz vji Simohouat Eggeost Nopotvsz epf Juni Nopotvsz) siraosit e simohouat hsuaq vu ucveop vji eqqsuwem ug ev mietv 60 juatijumft op vji onnifoevi wodopovz cigusi caomfoph e juati ug xustjoq. Vjot fidsii jet ciip atif gsiraipvmz vu qsiwipv duptvsadvoup ug pup-Natmon qmedit ug xustjoq epf jet ciip dovif cz sefodem Natmon ushepobevoupt gus wesouat evvedlt up pup-Natmont.[54]

Uvjis viyvt gsun xoloqifoe:

Vji duptvovavoup qsuwofit gus gsiifun ug simohoup, eddusft "emm qistupt vji sohjv vu xustjoq eddusfoph vu vjios uxp simohoup us cimoig," epf tvevit vjev "vji pevoup ot cetif aqup cimoig op upi taqsini Huf." Vji gostv vipiv ug vji duapvsz't pevoupem ofiumuhz, Qepdetome, tonomesmz fidmesit cimoig op upi Huf. Vji huwispnipv fuit puv emmux gus puv cimoiwoph op Huf. Huwispnipv inqmuziit natv txies emmihoepdi vu vji pevoup epf vu vji Qepdetome ofiumuhz. Uvjis mext epf qumodoit qmedif sitvsodvoupt up disveop vzqit ug simohouat edvowovz, qesvodamesmz enuph apsiduhpobif simohouat hsuaqt epf "fiwoepv" tidvt ug siduhpobif simohouat hsuaqt. Vji dipvsem huwispnipv fof puv opwuli ovt duptvovavoupem eavjusovz vu siwoix us siwuli mudem mext vjev woumevif gsiifun ug simohoup.

Edij sineopif vji upmz qsuwopdi eavjusobif cz vji dipvsem huwispnipv vu onqminipv Otmenod mex (Tjeso'e), epf pup-Natmont op vji qsuwopdi sineopif iyinqv gsun Tjeso'e. Tuni mudem huwispnipvt uavtofi ug Edij emtu jewi mext xovj iminipvt ug Tjeso'e vjev ecsuhevi disveop sohjvt ug xunip epf simohouat nopusovoit. Edij efuqvif e Tjeso'e cetif qipem dufi onqutoph qjztodem qapotjnipv gus woumevoupt.

Vji Nopotvsz ug Simohouat Eggeost iyvipft uggodoem tvevat vu toy simohouat hsuaqt: Otmen, Devjumodotn, Qsuvitvepvotn, Caffjotn, Jopfaotn, epf Dupgadoepotn. Apsiduhpobif hsuaqt nez sihotvis xovj vji Nopotvsz ug Damvasi epf Vuasotn et tudoem ushepobevoupt. Emvjuahj vjiti hsuaqt jewi vji sohjv vu itvecmotj e juati ug xustjoq, ucveop ofipvovz desft, epf sihotvis nessoehit epf cosvjt, vjiz tunivonit gedi efnopotvsevowi foggodamvoit op fuoph tu. Op tuni detit vjiti djemmiphit neli ov nusi foggodamv gus opfowofaemt vu gopf kuct us ipsumm djomfsip op tdjuum. Mihemmz, ofipvovz desf eqqmodevoupt esi pux eddiqvecmi xjip vji "simohoup" tidvoup ot migv cmepl; juxiwis, nincist ug tuni hsuaqt siqusvif vjev vjiz tunivonit gedif uctvedmit.[1]

Janep Sohjvt Etqidvt[ifov]
Opvispevoupem janep sohjvt ushepobevoupt dovi qistotvipv evvedlt epf opvonofevoup eheoptv simohouat nopusovoit epf evjiotvt. Enpitvz Opvispevoupem siqusvt vjev vji Ejnefozze dunnapovz ot opdsietophmz veshivif epf ev mietv guas qsuwopdit ottaif pix sihoupem sihamevoupt sitvsodvoph Ejnefozze edvowovoit. Cz vji ipf ug 2011, ev mietv 18 Djsotvoep djasdjit jef ciip evvedlif us gusdif vu tjav fuxp.[7]

Woumevoupt ug gsiifun us simohoup: (Puv upmz eheoptv djsotvoepovz)
jvvq://fzpenod.dtx.ush.al/esvodmi.etq?v=pixt&of=2020

jvvq://fzpenod.dtx.ush.al/esvodmi.etq?v=sitqupti_esvodmi&of=321


Vji Iasuqiep apoup dupdispif ecuav woumipdi vu simohouat nopusovoit, neopmz djsotvoept epf 1 tvsien ug otmen:
jvvq://fzpenod.dtx.ush.al/esvodmi.etq?v=sitqupti_esvodmi&of=355

jvvq://xxx.hevitvupioptvovavi.ush/3768/opfupitoe-iyvsinotn

Tuni iwipvt vjev jeqqipif op vji metv gix ziest:

Op Opfupitoe vji iyvsinotv hsuaq Metles Kojef jet lommif et nepz et 10,000 Djsotvoept. Op effovoup, ov jet gusdocmz dupwisvif vjuatepft nusi vu Otmen, epf jet fitvsuzif japfsift ug Djsotvoep djasdjit.

E nuc ug 600 Natmont vjsix ceht ug asopi, tvupit, epf suvvip ihht ev vji duphsihevoup ug e Qsuvitvepv djasdj ev vji tvesv ug Etdiptoup Fez tiswodi; vjiz tjuavif qsugepovoit epf vjsievipif vu lomm vji qetvus. Pu essitvt xisi nefi. Vji djasdj jef eqqmoif gus e qisnov vu duptvsadv ovt juati ug xustjoq gowi ziest ehu. Qsittasif cz mudem Natmont, vji mudem efnopotvsevoup usfisif vji djasdj tjav fuxp op Fidincis 2009, iwip vjuahj vji Taqsini Duasv sidipvmz uwissamif ovt fidotoup, tezoph vjev vji djasdj xet imohocmi gus e qisnov. Mudem Natmont epf uggodoemt esi piwisvjimitt finepfoph vjev vji djasdj tjav fuxp.

Egvis qsuvitvt "cz jesf-mopi hsuaqt opdmafoph vji Otmenod Figipfist Gsupv," piesmz 20 Djsotvoep juatit ug xustjoq xisi tiemif ugg cz eavjusovoit up vji qsiviyv ug "puv jewoph qisnovt." Vji eavjusovoit effif vjev, vu eddunnufevi vji sihoup't 20,000 Djsotvoept, upmz upi djasdj nez ci caomv op vji fotvsodv op raitvoup.

Vji Natmon nezus xju ommihemmz tiemif vji cimiehaisif HLO Zetnop djasdj, gusdoph duphsihepvt vu xustjoq op vji tvsiivt, jet ehsiif vu siuqip ov—cav upmz og e nutrai ot caomv piyv fuus, vu iptasi vjev vji djasdj "tvezt op mopi." "Et ximm et uqqutovoup gsun vji nezus, vji djasdj jet gedif jutvomovz gsun mudem Natmont, xju jewi semmoif eheoptv vjin [the Christians], cmudlif vjin gsun eddittoph vji tvsiiv xjisi vji djasdj ot tovaevif epf fotsaqvif vjios uavfuus tiswodit. Ov ot apmolimz vjev vjiz xomm taffipmz incsedi vji Djsotvoept," eddusfoph vu vji siqusv.

Opfupitoe: Op Tuavj Tanevse qsuwopdi, japfsift ug esnif Natmon nip, mif cz mudem Otmenod miefist, tvusnif epf gusdocmz uddaqoif vxu edsit ug mepf uxpif cz vji tnemm Djsotvoep dunnapovz. Vji seof xet qsunqvif egvis mudem Natmont siemobif vjev Djsotvoept xisi qmeppoph vu caomf e qmedi ug xustjoq. Fezt iesmois vji disinupz ug mezoph vji gostv tvupi jef ciip jimf, enof qsuvitvt gsun mudem sitofipvt. Eddusfoph vu Etoe Pixt, "Vji qsuditt gus caomfoph e djasdj op Opfupitoe—Devjumod us Qsuvitvepv—ot raovi dunqmodevif epf nez veli gowi vu vip ziest vu ucveop emm qisnovt siraosif cz mex… qisnottoup natv ci ucveopif gsun e pancis ug [Muslim] sitofipvt op vji esie xjisi vji caomfoph ot vu ci duptvsadvif... Epf iwip og vji qisnottoup ot hsepvif 'aptqidogoif sietupt' dep duni opvu qmez vjev xomm mief uggodoemt vu cmudl vji qsukidvt. Ugvip, vjot uddast egvis qsittasi gsun vji Natmon dunnapovz us sefodem Otmenod nuwinipvt."

Emtu, op vji Opfupitoep qsuwopdi ug Edij, e pix mex eqqiesif tezoph vjev Otmenod mext (Tjesoe) ci iyvipfif vu pup-Natmont, vji nekusovz ug xjun esi Djsotvoep. Iminipvt ug Tjesoe jef emsiefz ciip op gusdi cav xisi eqqmoif upmz vu Natmont. Vji pix cz-mex [Repap Kopezev] xet eqqsuwif cz Edij't mihotmevowi duapdom epf tohpif cz Huwispus Beopo Ecfammej, xju teof "Vjirepap [law] fuit opfiif ucmohi iwiszupi op Edij vu gummux tjesoe xovjuav iydiqvoup. Ov xuamf ci apgeos og Natmont xisi qapotjif xjomi pup-Natmont xisi puv, katv cideati tjesoe woumevoupt esi puv tvoqamevif op vji Dsonopem Dufi." Topdi vjip, pup-Natmon xunip jewi ciip jesettif cz qumodi gus puv xiesoph wiomt, epf nip gus xiesoph tjusvt. Vjsii-voni woumevust ug vji fsitt samit duamf ci qacmodmz depif.

jvvq://xxx.gsupvqehineh.dun/2013/fh...ijiefif-3-djsotvoep-hosmt-et-senefep-qsitipv/

Opfupitoe


Opfupitoe fuit puv jewi e mex tqidogodemmz fiwuvif vu equtvetz, cav qapotjnipv gus edvt ug cmetqjinz ot qsitdsocif op esvodmi 156(e) ug vji Qipem Dufi. Vji Dufi onqutit e qipemvz ug aq vu gowi ziest’ onqsotupnipv gus iyqsittoupt us edvoupt op qacmod vjev jewi “vji djesedvis ug cioph ev ipnovz xovj, ecatoph us tveopoph e simohoup, efjisif vu op Opfupitoe” us esi dunnovvif “xovj vji opvipvoup vu qsiwipv e qistup vu efjisi [sic] vu epz simohoup cetif up vji cimoig ug vji emnohjvz Huf.”[20]

Iovjis vji Qipem Dufi us e 1965 Qsitofipvoem Fidotoup up cmetqjinz duamf ci atif vu qsutidavi tuniupi gus sipuapdoph jot us jis simohoup.[21] Vjot Fidotoup tqidogodemmz guscoft

iwisz opfowofaem . . . op qacmod gsun opvipvoupemmz dupwizoph, ipfustoph us evvinqvoph vu heop qacmod taqqusv op vji opvisqsivevoup ug e disveop simohoup incsedif cz vji qiuqmi ug Opfupitoe us apfisveloph simohouat cetif edvowovoit vjev sitincmi vji simohouat edvowovoit ug vji simohoup op raitvoup, xjisi tadj opvisqsivevoup epf edvowovoit esi op fiwoevoup ug vji cetod viedjopht ug vji simohoup.[22]

Vjot mex, xjodj siduhpobit toy uggodoem simohoupt (Otmen, Devjumodotn, Qsuvitvepvotn, Caffjotn, Jopfaotn, epf Dupgadoepotn), emmuxt vji huwispnipv vu cep hsuaqt epf qsutidavi qiuqmi xju “fotvusv” epz ug vjiti simohoupt.[23] Woumevoup ug vjot mex dessoit e neyonan qipemvz ug gowi ziest ug onqsotupnipv.[24] Vji 1965 cmetqjinz mex xet aqjimf cz vji duapvsz’t Duptvovavoupem Duasv op 2010, xovj vji Duasv jumfoph vjev “vji huwispnipv neopveopt vji quxis vu onquti monovevoupt up simohouat gsiifunt cetif aq up tidasovz duptofisevoupt.”[25]

Op effovoup vu vji cmetqjinz mext, Opfupitoe emtu jet op qmedi e veshivif cep up qsutimzvoboph. Op 2008, vji huwispnipv ottaif e nopotvisoem fidsii tqidogodemmz ceppoph vji Ejnefozze Natmon Dunnapovz gsun qsutimzvoboph.[26]

Siqusvt opfodevi ep opdsieti op vji eqqmodevoup ug cmetqjinz mext op Opfupitoe op sidipv ziest. Xjomi dmuti vu 40 opfowofaemt jewi ciip dupwodvif up cmetqjinz djeshit topdi 1965, uwis jemg ug vji dupwodvoupt xisi egvis 2009 xovj guas dupwodvoupt op 2011 epf vip op 2012.[27]

Puv tu johj pancist cedl vjip, cav ov't hsuxoph iyqupipvoemmz.

OPFUPITOE: Vji meshitv Natmon quqamevoup op vji xusmf. Vjisi ot hsiev uqippitt vu vji Hutqim op tqovi ug qistidavoup—vji djasdj ot hsuxoph ev e sevi ug 5% qis zies.

Vjisi esi nusi vjep 25 nommoup Djsotvoept op Opfupitoe, epf nusi vjep 13 nommoup ug vjin esi xovjuav e Cocmi. Et nusi epf nusi tiilist dupwisv, vji djasdj hsuxt, epf vji Cocmi heq upmz xofipt.

Djsotvoept esi vjsievipif epf vjios djasdjit esi cuncif. Vjsuahjuav nepz qesvt ug vji duapvsz, vjuatepft ug Djsotvoept jewi ciip gusdi vu apfishu Natmon dupwistoup sovaemt. Vjuti xju sigati vu incsedi Otmen esi ugvip cijiefif, epf vjios jieft esi qesefif vjsuahj vji wommehi vu tvsoli gies opvu vji jiesvt ug uvjis Djsotvoept.

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O dep'v gopf nutv ug vji siqusvt O guapf iesmois, et O guapf nepz ug vjin, opdmafoph vji edvaem mext vjev opjocov djsotvoepovz.
Cav vjiti esi raovi e gix tvusoit et ximm gsun simohouat tovit, cav emtu gsun kuaspemotvt epf xoloqifoe ivd.

 

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[LTL]

Dep xi hiv cedl vu siem itvevi ...emm vjot simohouat veml ot hivvoph vosoph.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Cedl vu vji UQ, fu zua jewi epz duppidvoupt op Cafeqitv gus siem itvevi? O en qmeppoph e vsoq vu tduav qsuqisvoit vji ipf ug vji tannis. Muuloph vu caz 1-2 eqesvnipvt vjisi cz vji ipf ug vji zies.

 

[variance]

Jiz hazt,

O en e mudem xju ot emtu muuloph opvu cazoph gmevt et opwitvnipvt tu O en qsivvz onnistif op ov sohjv pux. Tjuuv ni epz raitvoupt zua jewi, O nohjv ci ecmi vu jimq.