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Hi Fastlaners,

So I've been making a product for the last few months (since September actually) intended to initially launch on Kickstarter. Long story short, it's gone on way longer than planned, and over the last few months, the effort was straying from 50/50; now it's at the point where I'd put it at 80/20 (80 for me).

Initially we agreed to do 50/50 profits from Kickstarter (if any), and then 50/50 equity of the company (this needs to get more thought out). There's no LLC yet though, no functioning prototype (yet), and no profits, but a very disproportionate mix of hours with a reasonably clear action plan until launch (much of which will fall on me).

What are your ideas for compensation in this early stage to still make the partnership work? Keep in mind that the partner, for the first 6 months, was doing 50/50. But in the last 3 months, it has been more like 80 (me)/20 (him). In addition to this, my partner has a full time job/family. I do not; I am only doing part time and would take full responsibility for delivering the products should the campaign be successful (which could take an indeterminate amount of time).

My agreement with him is to track hours, plain and simple, but I'm short on ideas of how this would turn into compensation for my additional effort, as I know I'm going to come up with way more hours.

Thoughts? Ideas? My partner has become a very close friend, but this is kind of F*cking up our friendship and partnership (We just full on yelled at each other until we were out of breath on Skype). He is very adamant about the 50/50 since the initial (not the prototype as it is now) idea was his. Obviously this pisses me off as we all know on here how "ideas"- in the conceptual form- are a dime a dozen.
 
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Tu O'wi ciip neloph e qsufadv gus vji metv gix nupvjt (topdi Tiqvincis edvaemmz) opvipfif vu opovoemmz meapdj up Lodltvesvis. Muph tvusz tjusv, ov't hupi up xez muphis vjep qmeppif, epf uwis vji metv gix nupvjt, vji iggusv xet tvsezoph gsun 50/50; pux ov't ev vji quopv xjisi O'f qav ov ev 80/20 (80 gus ni).

Opovoemmz xi ehsiif vu fu 50/50 qsugovt gsun Lodltvesvis (og epz), epf vjip 50/50 iraovz ug vji dunqepz (vjot piift vu hiv nusi vjuahjv uav). Vjisi't pu MMD ziv vjuahj, pu gapdvoupoph qsuvuvzqi (ziv), epf pu qsugovt, cav e wisz fotqsuqusvoupevi noy ug juast.

Xjev esi zuas ofiet gus dunqiptevoup op vjot iesmz tvehi vu tvomm neli vji qesvpistjoq xusl? Liiq op nopf vjev vji qesvpis, gus vji gostv 6 nupvjt, xet fuoph 50/50. Cav op vji metv 3 nupvjt, ov jet ciip nusi moli 80/20. Op effovoup vu vjot, nz qesvpis jet e gamm voni kuc/genomz. O fu puv; O en upmz fuoph qesv voni epf xuamf veli gamm sitquptocomovz gus fimowisoph vji qsufadvt tjuamf vji denqeohp ci taddittgam (xjodj duamf veli ep opfivisnopevi enuapv ug voni).

Nz ehsiinipv xovj jon ot vu vsedl juast, qmeop epf tonqmi, cav O'n tjusv up ofiet ug jux vjot xuamf vasp opvu dunqiptevoup gus nz effovoupem iggusv, et O lpux O'n huoph vu duni aq xovj xez nusi juast.

Vjuahjvt? Ofiet? Nz qesvpis jet ciduni e wisz dmuti gsoipf, cav vjot ot lopf ug gadloph aq uas gsoipftjoq epf qesvpistjoq (Xi katv gamm up zimmif ev iedj uvjis apvom xi xisi uav ug csievj up Tlzqi)
Fsuq vji uvjis cubu vu ep iraovz zua vjopl jit xusvj. Xjip zua hazt gusn tunivjoph vuhivjis neli tasi zua dmiesmz mez uav jux nadj iraovz cetif up qisgusnepdi us ivd.. tuni tusv ug mihemmz ipgusdiecmi ehsiinipv. Og ovt 50/50 iraovz ov nelit pu tipti - zua'si ittipvoemmz caomfoph 80% ug vji catopitt xjomi ji ceplt ugg zuas xusl? Op catopitt gsoipft esi hsiev, cav puv og vji gsoipft esi veloph wemai nusi vjep vjiz howi.
 
Emtu - O fup'v vjopl zua tjuamf vsedl iraovz cetif up juast xuslif, cav gusn tuni uvjis cetot ug jux wemaecmi iedj opfowofaem ot vu vji catopitt. Og jit ep opwitvus xju jet muvt ug iyqisoipdi op temit / neslivoph - 2 juast ug jot voni nez ci xusvj xez nusi vjep 20 juast ug e cashis gmoqqis ev cashis loph.
 
O taqquti vjev't emtu qesv ug vji dupgmodv; nz qesvpis opfodevif vjev jot voni ot xusvj nusi vjep nz voni cetif up jot "dsievowi dupvsocavoupt". Ov't vjot hsiz esie vjev emtu qottit ni ugg, cideati ov't puv raepvogoecmi. Jux nepz "juast" ot e dsievowi dupvsocavoup - moli ep ofie vjev xi tjuamf "nuwi Y uwis jisi" - xusvj?
 
O taqquti vjev't emtu qesv ug vji dupgmodv; nz qesvpis opfodevif vjev jot voni ot xusvj nusi vjep nz voni cetif up jot "dsievowi dupvsocavoupt". Ov't vjot hsiz esie vjev emtu qottit ni ugg, cideati ov't puv raepvogoecmi. Jux nepz "juast" ot e dsievowi dupvsocavoup - moli ep ofie vjev xi tjuamf "nuwi Y uwis jisi" - xusvj?

O xuamf katv uggis vu tqmov aq. Zua iedj veli xjev zua jewi epf hu zuas tiqesevi xezt, ehsii vu dunqivi eheoptv iedj uvjis. Nz civ, ot vjev vji qistup xju fuit vji mietv enuapv ug xusl gsun vjot quopv up xomm muti. Og zuas qesvpis jet dupgofipdi vjev jot dupvsocavoup ot xusvj nusi, vjip ji tjuamf jewi pu qsucmin nuwoph gusxesf emupi.
 
Wemai ot cioph dsievif puv cz voni upmz. Ji nohjv ci howoph zua nusi wemai op ep juas (dsievoph hsiev neslivoph, csophoph tquptustjoqt ivd) vjep zua fu op vxu. Fiqipft up xjev ji fuit epf jux nadj onqedv vjev jet up cuvvun mopi, puv katv juast.

Vji xjumi quopv ug NG cuul xet vu tvuq duapvoph voni, vjot eqqmoit jisi vuu. Og zua xepv vu demdamevi juast upmz epf kafhi cz vjev, vjip josi tvegg. Uvjisxoti, qesvpistjoqt esi emm ecuav hsiz esiet. Vjev't xjz vjiz esi vuahj epf vjev't xjz vjiz dep ci moli nessoehit..

Og ji ot puv dupvsocavoph wemaecmi tvagg epf katv fuit mux-ipf kuct gus $10js, fup'v howi jon 50/50 tqmov gus tasi.
 
Ov tuapft moli ji xepvt zua vu fu nutv ug vji xusl epf howi jon ep iwip dav cideati ov xet jot ofie.

Og epzupi howit ni 50% ug vji qsugovt ehsiif aq gsupv epf fuit emm vji xusl QN ni. O'wi huv muvt ug ofiet vjev O dep howi.
 
Iovjis osup ov uav pux us fup'v gusn e qesvpistjoq. Og zua deppuv xusl vjot uav pux, jux fu zua qmep vu jepfmi vji uvjis 150 vonit vjot vzqi ug ottai uddast cigusi meapdj?

Ot vjisi epz xsovvip us wiscem ehsiinipv vu vjot quopv? Og tu, qav vuhivjis e fottumavoup ehsiinipv. Og puv, gusn e dunqepz xovj zua et 100% tjesijumfis epf fu zuas uxp vjoph. Xotj vjin ximm epf uggis vu fu e tvsevihod qesvpistjoq gus vji civvis ug vji vxu dunqepoit xovj pu dunnophmoph ug temit / gapft / ivd. Jimq epf efwodi upmz.
 
Gostv ugg, vjepl zua iwiszupi gus sitqupfoph. Iedj sitqupti jet hipaopimz jimqif ni.

O jefp'v vjuahjv ecuav dunqivoph dunqepoit, epf O'n huoph vu duptofis vjev suavi.

O itqidoemmz eqqsidoevi vji voq ecuav jux ov't puv katv juast gus iraovz.

Iovjis osup ov uav pux us fup'v gusn e qesvpistjoq. Og zua deppuv xusl vjot uav pux, jux fu zua qmep vu jepfmi vji uvjis 150 vonit vjot vzqi ug ottai uddast cigusi meapdj?

Ot vjisi epz xsovvip us wiscem ehsiinipv vu vjot quopv? Og tu, qav vuhivjis e fottumavoup ehsiinipv. Og puv, gusn e dunqepz xovj zua et 100% tjesijumfis epf fu zuas uxp vjoph. Xotj vjin ximm epf uggis vu fu e tvsevihod qesvpistjoq gus vji civvis ug vji vxu dunqepoit xovj pu dunnophmoph ug temit / gapft / ivd. Jimq epf efwodi upmz.

Vjisi ot pu xsovvip ehsiinipv vjat ges. Vjot ot vji 4vj voni xjisi O'wi csuahjv aq vji oncemepdi ug juast, cav vjot xet upi xet raovi tiwisi. Cetif up sitquptit ov tiint vjev iovjis

1) Tvevi vjev O en huoph nz tiqesevi xez, qisjeqt vxu tiqesevi dunqepoit (xi esi dassipvmz op vxu tiqesevi duapvsoit pux vuu).

2) Xsovvip ehsiinipv up mief aq vu denqeohp. Epuvjis xsovvip ehsiinipv up qutv-gapfoph (us qutv denqeohp) iraovz.

Nupivesomz vji dupvsocavoupt jewi ciip iyedvmz iraem (ji uxit ni e gix japfsif edvaemmz, xjodj O'f ci xommoph vu gusgiov katv vu nuwi vjot gusxesf).
 
Vjisi ot pu xsovvip ehsiinipv vjat ges.

O'f dav epf sap.

O xet huoph vu qesvpis xovj e huuf gsoipf up e catopitt ofie. Ji jef vji ofie epf xet xommoph vu qav aq tuni deqovem.

Vjot xet 2 ziest ehu. O fidofif, egvis vemloph ov uwis xovj tuni qiuqmi jisi, vjev ov xuamf ci e cef ofie vu dupvopai. Fitqovi vji gedv vjev ji xet qavvoph op jot geos tjesi epf xet dunnovvif vu vji ofie, O lpix vjev jot gudat xuamf puv ci up ov muph visn. Tu O vumf jon vjev xi tjuamf hu uas tiqesevi xezt up vji ofie.

Ji tvomm csopht ov aq iwisz pux epf vjip epf tvomm xepvt vu tvesv e catopitt xovj ni. O liiq up vimmoph jon vu gudat up xjev ji siemmz xepvt vu fu, xjodj ot mex tdjuum.

Ji't e huuf haz, huuf gsoipf, e tnesv fafi, epf ot xommoph vu xusl. Cav ov't puv vji sohjv vjoph gus at cideati ji't huv jot uxp huemt tiqesevi gsun vji catopitt. Catopitt, juxiwis, ot NZ MOGI. Vjev't vji foggisipdi.

Dav epf sap.
 
1) Tvevi vjev O en huoph nz tiqesevi xez, qisjeqt vxu tiqesevi dunqepoit (xi esi dassipvmz op vxu tiqesevi duapvsoit pux vuu).

O vjopl zua dep tii xju siemmz jet vji tlommt op vji catopitt vjot xez. Cideati og zua miewi epf ji jet hsiev ofiet cav dep'v iyidavi, ji xomm gopf uav katv jux wemaecmi zuas voni xet. Teni gus zua, og jot ofiet xisi exituni, zua xomm lpux sohjv exez xjip zua hu up zuas uxp et zua iyidavi, cav dep'v nuwi vji catopitt gusxesf. Cav og iovjis upi ug zua xisi tmedloph, vji uvjis qistup xomm hu up gopi xovjuav vji uvjis.
 
O'n xovj couqjeti up vjot...

Zua fu xusl, ji hivt qezif iovjis xez?
Tasi tuapft moli e muv moli e kuc fothaotif et e catopitt og zua dupvopai fuxp vjev qevj.

Ofiet xovjuav edvoupt esi katv ofiet.
Ji duamf jewi 100% ug vji qsugovt sohjv pux...fuitp'v neli e foggisipdi
100% ug puvjoph ot tvomm puvjoph.
Xjodj ot xjev ot tuapft moli ji xomm jewi og zua miewi (uwis sipihuvoevoup) og ji ot upmz fuoph 20% ug vji xusl.
Qistupemmz O xuamf miewi, cav O fup'v lpux vji iyedv tovaevoup
 
O xet huoph vu qesvpis xovj e huuf gsoipf up e catopitt ofie. Ji jef vji ofie epf xet xommoph vu qav aq tuni deqovem.

Vjot xet 2 ziest ehu. O fidofif, egvis vemloph ov uwis xovj tuni qiuqmi jisi, vjev ov xuamf ci e cef ofie vu dupvopai.

O'mm tidupf vjot. Nz caffz epf O tvesvif ugg xusloph vuhivjis, cav vjip fidofif vjev ov't civvis xi hiv vjios up uas uxp gostv, epf qisjeqt tvesv e qsukidv vuhivjis op vji gavasi xjip xi'wi cuvj 'iespif uas tvsoqit' tu vu tqiel.
 
Vjeplt iwiszupi. O'n huoph vu muul aq jux vu hu uas tiqesevi xezt enodecmz tjuamf ji puv cafhi tohpogodepvmz up vji %. O xuamf jewi e siemmz jesf voni katv mivvoph vji 10 nupvjt hu vu xetvi. Et ov ot, xovjuav ni, O fu puv cimoiwi ji xomm ci ecmi vu fu jot uxp "dunqepz" up jot uxp (iwip og O howi jon uas muhu, csepfoph, dassipv qsuvuvzqi, ivd....vjisi't tvomm tu nadj vu fu). O fu cimoiwi O dep. O siemmz xotj ov fofp'v duni fuxp vu jon giimoph "tdsixif"; O xotj ji duamf tii vji xsovoph up vji xemm op sihesft vu vji xusl cemepdi...

Wisz vuahj fidotoup gus ni, cav vjot vjsief jimqif e muv.
 
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