Fed Up With Your Country? Where Is Left to Go?

[Deleted85763]

that poor cop is just a regular dude. he doesn't make the laws. he's basically the janitor for the politicians and lawyers who run everything.

They make dumbass decisions and it's his job to go enforce it and clean up the mess.

That's changing. Police are becoming highly professional, trusted and care about people.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

That's changing. Police are becoming highly professional, trusted and care about people.

That doesn’t matter if the laws are terrible

 

[Timmy C]

Whats your thoughts on the theory that Queensland and WA have remained relatively normal due to the mining industry? Melbourne doesn’t have the mining

I work in mining and have not been affected one bit, we have worked the entire time including being able to fly.

You can also see this very clearly as small outdoor festivals like the eat street near where I live have been told they can’t operate when the state of origin is allowed to have 30k people attend the same week in the same state.

I also saw somewhere that large offices complained they couldn’t get staff to come to work if they had to wear masks so the vic government said no masks are needed in offices even though that’s an indoor workplace.

Many industries have no been affected as of yet and I would imagine Mining is one of them. This appears to be the case based on what I have seen.

Unskilled labouring work also seems to be unaffected for the most part, the pandemic has even made business in these areas more profitable for many.

Areas such as plumbing and anything construction related seem to be moving full steam ahead.

But for how long?

 

[Deleted85763]

That doesn’t matter if the laws are terrible

Laws are changing, too. They are becoming more and more protective of people's rights and are doing away with the ones that interfere with people's rights. And police in various jurisdictions are not enforcing some Covid restriction mandates that interfere with people's rights. The police are the backbone of the pursuit of happiness.

 

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[MitchC]

Laws are changing, too. They are becoming more and more protective of people's rights and are doing away with the ones that interfere with people's rights. And police in various jurisdictions are not enforcing some mandates that interfere with people's rights.

Where do you come up with the rubbish you post?

 

[Deleted85763]

Where do you come up with the rubbish you post?

Rubbish? Are you English?

I shouldn't have to explain or prove what I say is true but yesterday in Los Angeles it was reported the county sheriff will not enforce the mask mandate which was recently reintroduced. That's not bollocks. That's one of numerous instances of the police not enforcing an order since the start of the pandemic.

As far as laws go, just look around you for recent instances where people have more freedoms and protections. In The US there are new laws that protect transgender people, for example.

I want you to read the following again and digest it because it is everything to do with the social world evolution, which includes obviously the protests we saw in the summer of 2020: The police are the backbone of the pursuit of happiness.

 

[SharpeningBlade]

Please share, we aren't Facebook.

This forum is a true goldmine not only for its incredible business discussions and philosophies, but also because of its ambitious community and freedom of speech / thought. Feels like the Internet back in 2003 or 2004 when there was no censorship and people were allowed to have actual discussions about anything they wanted.

Thank you MJ for providing this platform. I hope to provide value to the community as I learn and grow in this Fastlane life.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

that poor cop is just a regular dude. he doesn't make the laws. he's basically the janitor for the politicians and lawyers who run everything.

They make dumbass decisions and it's his job to go enforce it and clean up the mess.

I've wondered why most people seem incapable of understanding this important distinction.

I guess it's easier to direct frustration against a recognisable figure (the police) than those that deserve it (faceless bureaucrats) - classic case of shooting the messenger.

 

[Timmy C]

I've wondered why most people seem incapable of understanding this important distinction.

I guess it's easier to direct frustration against a recognisable figure (the police) than those that deserve it (faceless bureaucrats) - classic case of shooting the messenger.

The police have some level of accountability here, but they also get put in TOUGH situations.

i.e You don't enforce any covid restrictions.

Headquarters gives you a call and says no leniency today.
You still don't listen and just let people do what they want.

But your partner that day, decides to pull someone up about a mask, the person does not comply at all.
Your partner decides to arrest them, they do no cooperate and your partner gets in a scuffle.

Are you going to watch them scuffle? or are you going to help your partner put them under arrest? Not help?
Maybe watch your partner get beaten up while you just watch?

Imagine explaining that!

Pretty crap situation to be in if your the cop that doesn't agree with the covid stuff but get put with some a**hole that day.

What would you do? probably help your partner I would think.

Then media captures it and you get put on the news with everyone saying you are an a**hole tyrant.

 

[StrikingViper69]

The police have some level of accountability here, but they also get put in TOUGH situations.

i.e You don't enforce any covid restrictions.

Headquarters gives you a call and says no leniency today.
You still don't listen and just let people do what they want.

But your partner that day, decides to pull someone up about a mask, the person does not comply at all.
Your partner decides to arrest them, they do no cooperate and your partner gets in a scuffle.

Are you going to watch them scuffle? or are you going to help your partner put them under arrest? Not help?
Maybe watch your partner get beaten up while you just watch?

Imagine explaining that!

Pretty crap situation to be in if your the cop that doesn't agree with the covid stuff but get put with some a**hole that day.

What would you do? probably help your partner I would think.

Then media captures it and you get put on the news with everyone saying you are an a**hole tyrant.

Yeah, it's tough on them.

I agree there is a line where the police should say "we're not enforcing that", where they become morally accountable.

 

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[Timmy C]

Yeah, it's tough on them.

I agree there is a line where the police should say "we're not enforcing that," where they become morally accountable.

They do have a line, but everyone's "line" is different.

Everyone has different views on what they view as morally acceptable etc.

Let's say 80% of the police oppose these measures entirely.

20% are all for it.

All it takes is for one of the 80% to be rostered with a 20% per and the 20% grows.

You would assume as it goes more tyrannical, dam near, everyone will not comply with orders.

But in saying that, look how messed up, it's already become?

Where does the line get drawn? Does it?

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

I've wondered why most people seem incapable of understanding this important distinction.

I guess it's easier to direct frustration against a recognisable figure (the police) than those that deserve it (faceless bureaucrats) - classic case of shooting the messenger.

There are definitely some bad police who do terrible things, but overall yeah the cop does the grunt work and the real person at fault (usually a lawmaker) has no accountability.

I think it’s designed this way on purpose

 

[GPM]

To all the police enforcing all this BS that flies in the face of established rights in free countries "I'm just doing my job". Boom, 100% get-off-the-hook-for-free-card. Just keep on trampling on those rights, after all, he is just doing his job.

All this stuff is currently being forced in by "popular" politicians who the people wanted, just wait until it is some a**hole that the mob doesn't agree with. We have granted these clowns so much power, and we have also demonstrated that people don't give a shit about having what we thought were rights absolutely trampled on.

Two tiers of citizens where the non vaxinated need to be rounded up? Get in that cage sir, I'm just doing my job.

What happens in 5 years when the next boogie man is out? What the powers that be are doing now is going to look like a cake walk. I don't understand how anyone can possibly think that what we have now is the end of this. This is literally the start. This is literally the first "global threat" that they are pulling this bs with.

Police are hired thugs to exert the will of their masters onto whomever they please. All in the name of "I'm just doing my job".

 

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[Antifragile]

To all the police enforcing all this BS that flies in the face of established rights in free countries "I'm just doing my job". Boom, 100% get-off-the-hook-for-free-card. Just keep on trampling on those rights, after all, he is just doing his job.

All this stuff is currently being forced in by "popular" politicians who the people wanted, just wait until it is some a**hole that the mob doesn't agree with. We have granted these clowns so much power, and we have also demonstrated that people don't give a shit about having what we thought were rights absolutely trampled on.

Two tiers of citizens where the non vaxinated need to be rounded up? Get in that cage sir, I'm just doing my job.

What happens in 5 years when the next boogie man is out? What the powers that be are doing now is going to look like a cake walk. I don't understand how anyone can possibly think that what we have now is the end of this. This is literally the start. This is literally the first "global threat" that they are pulling this bs with.

Police are hired thugs to exert the will of their masters onto whomever they please. All in the name of "I'm just doing my job".

1st look up Milgram experiment, that’ll show best that we follow orders, including you!
2nd it is irksome when people take extreme points of view, no matter what the subject. Media does it best, always exaggerating for a story. Real life happens within the grey instead of black and white.

 

[Deleted85763]

There are definitely some bad police who do terrible things, but overall yeah the cop does the grunt work and the real person at fault (usually a lawmaker) has no accountability.

I think it’s designed this way on purpose

It is designed that way. One of the first things governments learn to do is to intertwine government with the police. This ensures a high degree of control over the population, makes that very difficult to change and most importantly allows their or their constituents personal beliefs to displace basic rights. For example, in 1967 in Virginia it was against the law for a black person to marry a white person. What kind sick of human beings would arrest two people for getting married? Ones that are being fed via paycheck by politicians.

Like I said earlier that is changing now in a big way. I see it all around me here in the US. Years ago I if I went for a walk at night I might be stopped by the police and asked to explain what I'm doing, where I'm going and show id. Today if the police stop me and it's late, dark, cold out they offer me a ride home for my safety.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

1st look up Milgram experiment, that’ll show best that we follow orders, including you!

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/threads/the-milgram-experiment-why-you-must-always-question-authority.95714/

I've opened that thread up because frankly, the way things are escalating in the world, things are getting frightening.

It won't be the politicians who exercise their evil plans, it will be the easily manipulated citizenry who can't break free from their herd mentality.

 

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[Timmy C]

To all the police enforcing all this BS that flies in the face of established rights in free countries "I'm just doing my job". Boom, 100% get-off-the-hook-for-free-card. Just keep on trampling on those rights, after all, he is just doing his job.

All this stuff is currently being forced in by "popular" politicians who the people wanted, just wait until it is some a**hole that the mob doesn't agree with. We have granted these clowns so much power, and we have also demonstrated that people don't give a shit about having what we thought were rights absolutely trampled on.

Two tiers of citizens where the non vaxinated need to be rounded up? Get in that cage sir, I'm just doing my job.

What happens in 5 years when the next boogie man is out? What the powers that be are doing now is going to look like a cake walk. I don't understand how anyone can possibly think that what we have now is the end of this. This is literally the start. This is literally the first "global threat" that they are pulling this bs with.

Police are hired thugs to exert the will of their masters onto whomever they please. All in the name of "I'm just doing my job".

I definitely get what you mean mate.

I guess I am buyist as I have many in my family and friends that are police officers, people who I consider some of the best people I know.

When I see a cop the other week hugging and comforting a distressed lady at the traffic lights they didn't exactly seem evil to me I guess.

But I 100% know what you mean and agree with a lot of what you say.

Police should be privatized.

 

[SharpeningBlade]

When I see a cop the other week hugging and comforting a distressed lady at the traffic lights they didn't exactly seem evil to me I guess.

Yes, many police I have met here in San Francisco are very cool and aware. Just like any organization, it only takes a few minutes for a small amount of associates to ruin a public image that has been cultivated over decades.

Police should be privatized.

That would be good. Let organizations compete by making community safety a number 1 priority. 100% uptime on video and audio as well, with multiple body cams to get 360 degree coverage. Cutting/silencing audio or video feed is grounds for suspension. You would see honesty skyrocket. All paperwork 100% open source, no secrets in terms of internal accounting. Let them earn bonuses and commissions based on safety metrics.

 

[GPM]

I am not denying that there are some fantastic police who really want to make a difference and do the right thing. Having said that, that does not change that they are literally hired guns to enforce what the ruling elite decide.

 

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[Timmy C]

I am not denying that there are some fantastic police who really want to make a difference and do the right thing. Having said that, that does not change that they are literally hired guns to enforce what the ruling elite decide.

We need police though.
Privatizing the police force seems like a better idea wouldn't you say?

 

[Deleted85763]

I am not denying that there are some fantastic police who really want to make a difference and do the right thing. Having said that, that does not change that they are literally hired guns to enforce what the ruling elite decide.

So have the police be totally separate from anyone. Their only mission is to protect people's rights and property and do so with trusted high professionalism. To me that's really easy to do. In the whole country of Chile they created a police culture that is not corrupt. That's all intertwined with a prosperous, free market economy and the highest standard of living in South and Central America. Trust is the key to peace, prosperity, health and happiness everywhere in the world.

 

[GPM]

We need something, but what we have now I don't think is even close to what we need. The fact that there is abuse all over the world from respective police forces as a matter of course kind of highlights this.

We also need the ability to defend ourselves. I know in Canada you are expected to lay down and take it. Fighting back gets you in more trouble than the criminals. I want to live somewhere that if need be, I can defend my family in the moment and not hope for some fantasy force to come save us.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

That's changing. Police are becoming highly professional, trusted and care about people.

This wins the humor of the day award.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Laws are changing, too. They are becoming more and more protective of people's rights and are doing away with the ones that interfere with people's rights. And police in various jurisdictions are not enforcing some Covid restriction mandates that interfere with people's rights. The police are the backbone of the pursuit of happiness.

I stand corrected. This one wins the humor of the day award.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Rubbish? Are you English?

I shouldn't have to explain or prove what I say is true but yesterday in Los Angeles it was reported the county sheriff will not enforce the mask mandate which was recently reintroduced. That's not bollocks. That's one of numerous instances of the police not enforcing an order since the start of the pandemic.

As far as laws go, just look around you for recent instances where people have more freedoms and protections. In The US there are new laws that protect transgender people, for example.

I want you to read the following again and digest it because it is everything to do with the social world evolution, which includes obviously the protests we saw in the summer of 2020: The police are the backbone of the pursuit of happiness.

Jesus F*ck. I give up. You are so brainwashed this has gone beyond humor now. Wow. Just F*cking wow.

 

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[SarahD]

It depends a lot, because I have a family and moving is very, very difficult. Here I have my job and they pay me well, but I am not happy with the situation here and I want a better future for my children. So I'm thinking of moving and going to Europe.

 

[Timmy C]

So this is directly from the charter of human rights Victoria.

The link is here from the government website if you want to do further reading.

As you can see with these screenshots I have attached below, these lockdowns are directives and not law.

If people knew their rights they wouldn't be doing any of this.

 

[Matt Sun]

Please share, we aren't Facebook.

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Dr. Pierre Kory testified to lawmakers in December about promising COVID treatment ivermectin​

Physician slams YouTube's 'extremely misguided' decision to pull Senate testimony about COVID treatment

Dr. Pierre Kory is speaking out after YouTube took drastic action by removing his recent Senate testimony that discussed a promising coronavirus treatment.

www.foxnews.com

This doctor spoke at a Senate hearing and got censored/removed from Youtube​

"The drug, which is used to treat tropical diseases caused by parasites, showed promising results in a study performed in Argentina last year. In the study, 788 healthcare workers received ivermectin, while another 407 did not. Not a single person who received ivermectin contracted C0VlD-19, while more than half of the group who did not receive ivermectin did contract the virus."



Ivermectin is very cheap and could be widely available, it could end the pandemic.

 

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[GlobalWealth]

It depends a lot, because I have a family and moving is very, very difficult. Here I have my job and they pay me well, but I am not happy with the situation here and I want a better future for my children. So I'm thinking of moving and going to Europe.

When I moved abroad with my kids many years ago I considered 2 viewpoints:

1- This will be difficult with kids and maybe I should wait until they are out of school

2- It is selfish of me to intentionally deprive my kids of the life experience of living abroad when I know I can make it happen.

I chose #2.

I'm not disparaging anyone for their choices, just sharing my own internal thought process there.

Today my daughter travels the world for her work and has dual citizenship and has lived in half a dozen countries.

My middle son has taken a more conservative approach but this living and traveling abroad opened his mind up and made him a more confident person.

My youngest is a teen and has been to 25-30 countries and has friends all over the world.

I would never trade these life experiences for my kids in exchange for the white picket fence comfort.

 

[GlobalWealth]

So have the police be totally separate from anyone. Their only mission is to protect people's rights and property and do so with trusted high professionalism. To me that's really easy to do. In the whole country of Chile they created a police culture that is not corrupt. That's all intertwined with a prosperous, free market economy and the highest standard of living in South and Central America. Trust is the key to peace, prosperity, health and happiness everywhere in the world.

Ironically, in the case Warren vs District of Columbia, appeals court upheld the lower court ruling that the police had no obligation to provide police services to civilians.

As for Chile, you are so far off base there it truly isn't worth debating.

You clearly have never been to Chile, or likely out of your home state based on the nonsense you keep vomiting into the thread.