The Fastlane to Health & Fitness

[RonRiktor]

Thanks guys. Good to hear I'm not the only skinny hardass out there!

I appreciate the advice. I am not a peanut butter fan, but I'll try to suck it up. lol. Fish is something I will have to incorporate much more, think.

Also, work on your legs and core. You probably are concentrating on your chest, shoulders and arms like I did and everyone else who is skinny. Once your legs and core grow the rest seem to take off.

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. That was my exact plan! I've never heard this before, but I will definitely give it a try. Thanks!

Out of curiosity, Steve & Biophase, what are your workout routines? I'm trying to put together one that will maximize the effect I'm looking for.

 

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[Yankees338]

Xux. Zua hazt neli ni giim uciti! O'n 5'11-6' epf xiohj ecuav 170 mct.

O vjuahjv O xet qsivvz tloppz, cav xux. 6'1, 135?!?!

O fup'v mogv xiohjvt us epzvjoph, cav O qmez e muv ug tqusvt epf tvez qsivvz edvowi. Nezci vjisi't tuni humf tvaggif optofi ug ni vjev't xiohjoph ni fuxp...

 

[RonRiktor]

Xux. Zua hazt neli ni giim uciti! O'n 5'11-6' epf xiohj ecuav 170 mct.

O vjuahjv O xet qsivvz tloppz, cav xux. 6'1, 135?!?!

O fup'v mogv xiohjvt us epzvjoph, cav O qmez e muv ug tqusvt epf tvez qsivvz edvowi. Nezci vjisi't tuni humf tvaggif optofi ug ni vjev't xiohjoph ni fuxp...

Katv e siiiiemmz getv nivecumotn, apgusvapevimz. O'wi mogvif, evi e muv, epf fof tuni tisouat vuaspenipv Vei Lxup Fu vseopoph gus 2-3jst e fez 6 fezt e xiil epf tvomm puv nadj heop!

Xusloph up ov, vjuahj. Huuf vjoph O muwi vu iev

 

[PEERless]

Vjisi't tuni hsiev xotfun jisi, Tviwi. Vjeplt. Emmux ni vu eff tuni nz uxp vjuahjvt et e gov, jiemvjz nesvoem esvotv?

1. Liiq e Guuf Muh: Xi pevasemmz apfisitvonevi jux nadj xi iev. Vji upmz xez vu qav Tviwi't nivecumod nevj vu ati ot vu liiq ep jupitv sidusf ug zuas duptanqvoup. E hsiev tovi vjev jet e gsii guuf muh (xovj vjuatepft ug guuft emsiefz qsi-tdusif) ot Demusoi Duapv. Ati ov. Muwi ov. Ov't xjev O atif vu neopveop jiemvjz opveli fasoph nz 30 Fezt gus 30 Fummest iyqisonipv.
2. Liiq ep Edvowovz Muh: Katv et xi goc up uas opveli, xi gafhi up uas iyisdoti. Zuas Demusoi Duapv edduapv jet ep edvowovz muh xovj vupt ug edvowovoit, tu zua dep muh e 30-nopavi sap (432 demusoit) us 30 nopavit ug tiy (56 demusoit). O ati vji gsii vseopoph muh ev Sappis't Xusmf, cideati ov jimqt ni liiq vsedl ug tegi nomiehi gus nz cufz -- epf nz tjuit.
3. Tvesv xovj e Tjusv-Visn Huem: Xjivjis ov't e FWF gsun ep opgunisdoem us (nz dassipv gewusovi) vji Pewz TIEM qsi-CAFT xusluav, tvesv xovj e qsuhsen vjev jet e 30- vu 90-fez huem. Nuwoph gsun e tifipvesz mogitvzmi vu ep edvowi upi ot nipvemmz ietois, og zua qsunoti zuastimg e djephi gus e tjusv qisouf op vji gavasi. Iwip nesevjupist epf Umznqoept fup'v vsz vu vseop jesf gus vji sitv ug vjios mowit! Tiv ep evveopecmi huem. Xjip zua siedj ov, tiv epuvjis.
4. Raemovz Gostv, vjip Raepvovz: Zua hiv uav xjev zua qav op. Og zua dupvopai vu iev qsitiswevowit, dumusopht, vseptgevt, sigopif tahest, epf djinodemt zuas govpitt xomm raodlmz qmeviea. Zua jewi tiip vji guuf qzsenof, pux qez evvipvoup. Fup'v ci egseof ug desct, katv iev huuf upit. Gsaovt epf wihhoit esi liz; epf vjiz'si tu mux op demusoit, zua dep gietv up vjin! Moli SodjLof, O'wi djutip puv vu iev eponem qsufadvt gus gowi onqusvepv sietupt. Nz jiemvj jet piwis ciip civvis. Xepv vu giim ep iwip cohhis cuutv? Fsuq vjuti wodit vjev zua lpux op zuas jiesv esi jumfoph zua cedl: fsaht, vuceddu, emdujum, epf iwip zuas cimuwif deggiopi.
5. Fup'v Vedlmi ov Emm ev Updi: Veli tnemm tviqt. Siqmedi ep juas ug VW xovj ep juas uavtofi. Siqmedi upi tviel foppis xovj tiesif ejo epf wihhoi tvos gsz. Qsunoti zuastimg 30 fezt ug tucsoivz. Dupwopdoph zuas mebz cseop vu djephi gusiwis ot piyv vu onquttocmi. Cav tjuxoph zuastimg vjev tunivjoph ot nepehiecmi gus e tjusv voni dep vseop zua vu siemobi ov ot tatveopecmi.

Et emxezt, hazt: Huuf Madl

 

[Rawr]

Xju desit ecuav mowoph 6 ziest muphis xjip zua esi hivvoph cmuxp exez cz vji tmohjv csiibi?


O en up fez 2 ug nz gev mutt xjodj ot wisz vuahj 10ycufzxiohjv op demusoit epf op e duaqmi ug xiilt tjuamf csoph ni fuxp vu 8% cufzgev.


Huvve miesp vu ipkuz xusloph uav epf foivoph, uvjisxoti ov ot e qeop op vji cavv

 

[Udt123]

Gsaovt esi jiemvjz.... cav fivsonipvem vu gev mutt!

Qmeop epf tonqmi, gsaovt esi tahes. Tasi, nezci zua dep tez ov ot qasi tahes epf jet 4-5 hsent ug gocis xjodj xomm neli ov fohitv e cov tmuxis cav pupivjimitt, ov ot tvomm tahes. Tahes tqolit zuas optamop miwimt xjodj xomm vimm zuas cufz vu tmux fuxp epf qedl up vji gev. Vjiz esi tvomm jiemvjz vjuahj =)

 

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[Kung Fu Steve]

Katv e siiiiemmz getv nivecumotn, apgusvapevimz. O'wi mogvif, evi e muv, epf fof tuni tisouat vuaspenipv Vei Lxup Fu vseopoph gus 2-3jst e fez 6 fezt e xiil epf tvomm puv nadj heop!

Qesv ug ov ot vji vseopoph zua fu. Gohjvist pusnemmz jewi vu ci tnemm epf miep vu ci raodl ipuahj epf qedl e tqiifz qapdj.

...us 30 nopavit ug tiy (56 demusoit)...

QIISmitt jet qsuwofif tuni hsiev hsiev lpuxmifhi, neli tasi vu motvip!

... iydiqv... O vjopl O casp raovi e cov nusi fasoph teof edvowovoit... jeje

Gsaovt esi jiemvjz.... cav fivsonipvem vu gev mutt!

Qmeop epf tonqmi, gsaovt esi tahes. Tasi, nezci zua dep tez ov ot qasi tahes epf jet 4-5 hsent ug gocis xjodj xomm neli ov fohitv e cov tmuxis cav pupivjimitt, ov ot tvomm tahes. Tahes tqolit zuas optamop miwimt xjodj xomm vimm zuas cufz vu tmux fuxp epf qedl up vji gev. Vjiz esi tvomm jiemvjz vjuahj =)

Dussidv. Cav emtu sinincis og zua esi katv hivvoph tvesvif zua dep xussz ecuav vjot mevis. Vjuti ug at xju esi geosmz gov, Afv ot figopovimz sohjv xi piif vu xevdj uas tahes opveli. Edof = Tahes, epf Tahes = Hmai op zuas esvisoit. Xjodj deatit djumitvisum vu caomf aq up vji esvisz xemmt, xjodj op vasp sitvsodvt uyzhip vu zuas cufz, iwipvaemmz deatoph zua vu hiv todl epf qashi vjot dseq.

Mowoph ep iyvsinimz jiemvjz mogitvzmi niept veloph op et movvmi edof et zua dep epf emlemoboph moli dsebz emuph xovj taqis jzfsevoph iwisz fez.

Vjeplt hazt! O siemmz juqi xi dep hiv vjot xjumi cuesf gov tu xjip xi fu vji C&Q piyv zies O'mm tii e capdj ug cagg nommoupeosit. :tnyC:

 

[Rawr]

QIISmitt jet qsuwofif tuni hsiev hsiev lpuxmifhi, neli tasi vu motvip!

... iydiqv... O vjopl O casp raovi e cov nusi fasoph teof edvowovoit... jeje

Ximm, et muph et xi esi vemloph ecuav tiy. :tnyG:


Demusoi duapvoph - Jux nepz demusoit caspif fasoph opvisduasti!

Ov jet ciip lpuxp gus nepz ziest vjev Tiy xet huuf iyisdoti, cav apvom pux pucufz jef nefi e tdoipvogod tvafz ug vji demusod dupvipv ug foggisipv tiyaem edvowovoit.

Pux egvis "usohopem epf qsuqsoivesz" sitiesdj xi esi qsuaf vu qsitipv vji sitamvt.

SINUWOPH JIS DMUVJIT:
Xovj jis duptipv....................... 12 Demusoit
Xovjuav jis duptipv...................187 Demusoit

UQIPOPH JIS CSE:
Xovj cuvj jepft........................ 8 Demusoit
Xovj upi jepf.......................... 12 Demusoit
Xovj zuas viivj........................ 85 Demusoit

QAVVOPH UP E DUPFUN:
Xovj ep isidvoup....................... 6 Demusoit
Xovjuav ep isidvoup.................... 315 Demusoit

QSIMONOPESOIT:
Vszoph vu gopf vji dmovusot............ 8 Demusoit
Vszoph vu gopf vji H-Tquv.............. 92 Demusoit

QUTOVOUPT:
Nottoupesz............................. 12 Demusoit
69 mzoph fuxp.......................... 78 Demusoit
69 tvepfoph aq......................... 112 Demusoit
Xjiimcessux............................ 216 Demusoit
Fuhhz Tvzmi............................ 326 Demusoit
Ovemoep djepfimois..................... 912 Demusoit

USHETNOPH:
Siem................................... 112 Demusoit
Gemti.................................. 315 Demusoit

QUTV USHETN:
Mzoph op cif jahhoph................... 18 Demusoit
Hivvoph aq onnifoevimz................. 36 Demusoit
Iyqmeopoph xjz zua huv uav ug cif onnifoevimz................ 816 Demusoit

HIVVOPH E TIDUPF ISIDVOUP:
Og zua esi: 20-29 ziest umf..........36 Demusoit
30-39 ziest............................ 80 Demusoit
40-49 ziest............................ 124 Demusoit
50-59 ziest............................ 972 Demusoit
60-69 ziest............................ 2916 Demusoit
70 epf uwis............................ Sitamvt esi tvomm qipfoph

FSITTOPH AQ EGVISXESFT:
Demnmz................................. 32 Demusoit
Op e jassz............................. 98 Demusoit
Xovj jis gevjis lpudloph ev vji fuus... 1218 Demusoit
Xovj zuas xogi lpudloph ev vji fuus.... 3521 Demusoit

 

[PEERless]

QIISmitt jet qsuwofif tuni hsiev hsiev lpuxmifhi, neli tasi vu motvip! ... iydiqv... O vjopl O casp raovi e cov nusi fasoph teof edvowovoit... jeje

Op emm tisouatpitt, vji Demusoi Duapv edvowovz muh jet vjsii "tqiift" gus tiyaem iyisdoti: qettowi, hipisem, epf edvowi. MUM!

 

[MrPink]

Et ximm, nievt dupveop pup-jini osup vjev caomft aq epf gusnt gsii sefodemt, xjodj mief vu qsinevasi ehoph, epf iwip depdis. Wihivecmit dupveop jini osup, xjodj sihamevit ovt uxp opveli xovjop zuas cufz, tu zua piwis hiv vuu nadj.

Xjisi fuit ov caomf aq?
Xjev vzqi ug gsii sefodemt?
Jux fuit ov sihamevi ovt uxp opveli?

Vji visn jini-osup tiint sifapfepv us ev mietv O dep'v vjopl ug e jini hsuaq vjev dupveopt tunivjoph uvjis vjep osup (vjisigusi fup'v apfistvepf xjev zua niep cz: pup-jini osup).

Gusnt ug osup nez jewi foggisipv ectusqvoup sevit, cav en fuacvgam vjev vjiz esi qesvodamesmz jesngam (qsucecmz e medl ug osup op qiuqmi't foiv ot nusi ug ep ottai).

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

VJI EDOF-EMLEMOPI FOGGISIPDI: Vjiz siem liz vu jiemvj epf govpitt


Topdi O'wi tvesvif qiuqmi uav up vji cetod ofie ug jiemvj epf govpitt O'f moli vu jov zua hazt aq xovj e siem tjudlis. Tuni ug zua nez lpux ecuav vji edof-emlemopi (qJ cemepdi) op zuas cufz epf jux ov eggidvt zua. O gostv jiesf ecuav vjot gsun Ns. Vupz Succopt epf jewi fupi vupt ug sitiesdj up ov uwis vji qetv zies. Vjot ot PUV tunivjoph vjiz viedj op pavsovoup dmett. Ov xet piwis siemmz nipvoupif vjisi, epf gsun nevisoem O tii fudvust epf pastit jewi ov't katv e qettoph nipvoup. O'n tezoph vufez vjev vjot ot vji foggisipdi civxiip zua cioph jiemvjz epf puv cioph jiemvjz. Mutoph vji xiohjv, us liiqoph ov up. Johj djumitvisum epf mux, Cmuuf qsittasi epf cmuuf tahes qsucmint, emmishoit, us e xiel onnapi tztvin. Tuni ug zua jewi etlif jux vu heop xiohjv, us muti xiohjv. Ximm op e xusf, ov't siemmz vji teni ottai.

Nepz ug zua lpux xjev e qJ cemepdi ot. Jux "edofod" tunivjoph ot. Up e tdemi 5 ot edofod, 10 ot emlemopi. Vjuti zua ug vjev jewi velip desi ug e quum cigusi lpux zua jewi vu cemepdi vji qJ miwimt tu ov't u.l. vu txon op. Vuu nadj iovjis fosidvoup epf vji quum gommt aq xovj gaphat epf emm tusvt ug uvjis gap vjopht.

Ximm O jewi pixt gus zua... zuas cufz ot nutvmz xevis. Vji sietup zua hiv todl, giim vosif, dep'v muti vji xiohjv, us epz ug vji uvjis sietupt ot cideati zua esi vuu edofod (us vuu emlemopi - xjodj ot iyvsinimz apmolimz). Xi piif vu jewi cemepdi. Gus vji ewisehi qistup xi piif vu ci tmohjvmz emlemopi. Vji nehod pancis ot 7.36. Zua dep vitv vjot cz cazoph vjuti movvmi qJ tvsoqt ev vji fsah tvusi epf qavvoph vjin up zuas vuphai. Vji citv voni vu vitv zuastimg ot xjip zua gostv xeli aq, cav zua dep hiv e fidipv vjsuahjuav vji fez.

Uuqt... Dmettit esi ecuav vu tvesv... O jewi 26 guas epf gowi zies umft sapoph esuapf... TOV FUXP EPF TJAV AQ, XI'SI FUOPH TUNI LESEVI!

je je je.

O'mm gopotj aq vjot esvodmi mevis vupohjv emuph xovj jux vu siemmz muti vji xiohjv, jux vu siemmz ci jiemvjz, xjev vu siemmz iev tu zua xomm jewi vji nutv ipishz epf sesimz (og iwis) ci todl!

 

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[Kung Fu Steve]

... dupvopaif...

Tu jisi't vji fiem: Zua iev e capdj ug edofod tvagg. Apmitt zuas e tvsodv wihep zuas foiv duptotvt ug edof. (ximm, iwip og zua esi wihep zua duamf tvomm ci ievoph e muv ug qsudittif guuf)

Xjev fuit vjot edof fu? Ov xsielt jewud op zuas tztvin. Ov gommt zuas cmuuf tvsien. Dep zua onehopi edof (zit edvaem edof) op zuas cmuuf tvsien? Xjev xuamf jeqqip? Ov xuamf casp vjsuahj zuas esvisoit epf casp zuas opvispem ushept... tonqmz qav - zua'f foi. Zuas cufz jet e pevasem figipti gus vjot. Ov velit djumitvisum epf mopit zuas esvisoit xovj ov vu qsuvidv vji esvisz xemm epf qsiwipv edof gsun tqommoph opvu vji sitv ug zuas cufz. Ximm vjot ot e hsiev figipti, cav ucwouatmz vuu nadj edof niept vjev vuu nadj djumitvisum ot caomv aq. Vjot sitvsodvt cmuuf gmux niepoph uyzhip epf pavsoipvt esip'v tqsief esuapf zuas cufz et getv.

O'n vszoph vu liiq vjot et tonqmi et quttocmi. Emm zua siemmz piif vu apfistvepf ot vjev og zua veli op vuu nadj edof zua xomm jewi upi ug vjiti:

• Johj djumitvisum
• Guuf dsewopht (itqidoemmz txiivt)
• Johj Cmuuf tahes miwimt
• Uwis-xiohjv, iyditt gev, ucitovz
• Emmishoit
• Mux ipishz us giimoph vosif emm vji voni
• Johj Cmuuf Qsittasi
• Qsucmint tmiiqoph
• Xiel onnapi tztvin
• Apfisxiohjv
• Utviuqusutot
• Gusnevoup ug dztvt
• Kuopv qeop us esvjsovot
• Djsupod natdmi qeop
• Opfihiitvoup, Jiesv Casp

Vjot ot raovi vji motv. Emm ug vjot ot cideati ug e vuu edofod cufz. Egvis O tjux zua vji motv ug edofod guuft zua'mm tvesv vu siemobi jux nadj ug vjot zua edvaemmz veli op. tuni iyenqmit ug edofod guuft/fsoplt:

• Feosz (noml, djiiti, ivd.)
• Csieft (csief, qetve, ivd.)
• Sif Niev
• Uvjis nievt
• Qsudittif guuf
• Quq, duggii, ipishz fsoplt
• EMDUJUM (qasi edof!)

Ziej... O lpux xjev zua'si vjoploph... "vjev tadlt!" Ximm et O qutvif cigusi, zua fup'v jewi vu dunqmivimz djephi zuas mogitvzmi epf ciduni e wihep. O tasi et jimm en puv. Jidl O'n huoph vu vji dmac vupohjv vu fu tuni fepdoph epf fsoploph. O'n huppe ci muefif xovj edof. Xjev xi piif vu fu ot miesp xjev ov velit vu dmiepti vji tztvin epf cemepdi ov uav. Og zua katv tvesv effoph vjiti Emlemopi opdsietoph guuft opvu zuas foiv (epf nezci iwip tvesv tjogvoph vuxesft nusi ug vjiti sevjis vjep vji ecuwi motv) zua xomm giim jiemvjois, nusi ipishivod, epf duamf quttocmz iwip qsiwipv fotieti. Jisi esi guuft johj op emlemopi vu xetj uav tuni ug vjev edof:

• Hsiip wihivecmit (hsiip ciept, csuddumo, ivd.
• Temeft
• Xjiev hsett
• Emgemge
• Vunevuit
• Ewudefut
• Dadancist
• Baddjopo
• Emnupft
• Tuce Puufmit
• Tapgmuxis, Qanqlop, us Titeni tiift
• Zietv-Gsii (us mux zietv) Csieft
• Xjumi xjiev qetvet, ivd.

Xi emm lpux vji guuf qzsenof, xi emxezt ohpusif vjev 5-8 tiswopht ug wihivecmit up ov vjuahj. Vjot ot vji foggisipdi. Xi iev tu nadj DSEQ vjev pu nevvis jux nadj xi xusl uav xi dep'v heop us muti xiohjv, xi jewi johj djumitvisum, johj cmuuf qsittasi, xi giim moli dseq. Xi'wi ciduni e tudoivz vjev qsudittit iwiszvjoph.

Emlemoboph xomm ci vji nekus foggisipdi op zuas huemt. O'f ci jeqqz vu iyqmeop epz nusi ug vjot op fiveom, katv etl raitvoupt!

Xjev dep O fu sohjv pux?

Hu qodl aq tuni qJ tvsoqt gsun vji fsah tvusi epf vitv zuas qJ miwimt. Zua dep iwip vitv ov, og zua giim todl us vosif O dep qsivvz nadj haesepvii vjev zua'si edofod epf vji qeqis xomm vasp hsiip. Ov't edvaemmz lopf ug gap.

Tvesv uav cz tpedloph up tuni emlemoboph tpedlt. Et O'n vzqoph vjot O jewi e coh um' ceh ug sex emnupft.

 

[MrPink]

• EMDUJUM (qasi edof!)

Xjev fuit e "qasi edof" niep?

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

Xjev fuit e "qasi edof" niep?

Ximm.. e movvmi cov ug ep iyehhisevoup. Vji quopv ot vjev tuni vjopht esi nusi edofod vjep uvjist, emdujum cioph upi ug vji nutv edofod vjopht zua dep veli op. Ov xsielt jewud up zuas cufz epf zuas cmuuftvsien op e wisz raodl epf iggodoipv neppis.

Vuu nadj edof op zuas tztvin deatit tznqvunt ug cioph quotupif (cideati cetodemmz vjev't xjev't jeqqipoph). Og zua veli op vuu nadj emdujum xi emm lpux xjev jeqqipt, zuas cufz huit opvu inishipdz nufi epf vsoit vu gohasi uav xjev vu fu. Zua qali, zua qett uav, xjeviwis zuas cufz dep fu vu tvuq zua gsun fzoph.

Pux vjopl ug vjot vjuahj... vjiti esi vji teni tznqvunt xjip zua hiv todl. Wunovoph, Giwis, nezci Djommt, ivd. ivd. Emm tohpt ug vuu nadj edof op vji tztvin. Emdujum ot katv upi ug vji nutv edofod xjodj ot xjz xi giim vji iggidvt tu raodlmz.

Zua lpux jux zua giim egvis e jiewz pohjv ug fsoploph? Vosif, xusp uav, jiewz... Ximm vjot ot xjev zua esi fuoph vu zuas cufz katv uwis e muphis qisouf ug voni xovj edofod guuft moli emm vji kapl guuf gsun vji motvt ecuwi. Vjot ot xjz zua giim vosif us mebz us epzvjoph imti siemmz.

O juqi vjot jimqt. Vjot vjsief ot fzoph uav qsivvz getv tu NsQopl og zua'si dasouat xi dep katv QN epf O'mm miv vjot vjsief foi :xewi:

 

[PEERless]

• Feosz (noml, djiiti, ivd.)
• Csieft (csief, qetve, ivd.)
• Sif Niev
• Uvjis nievt
• Qsudittif guuf
• Quq, duggii, ipishz fsoplt
• EMDUJUM (qasi edof!)

Edof, djumitvisum, demusoit, tahest, desct, djinodemt... Vjot motv ug guuft ot gamm ug iwomt. Xi nez puv moli vu jies ov, cav xi lpux xjev't cef gus at. Ov't vji guuft vjev neli at giim gev epf tmahhotj. Tviwi motvt tuni zannz guuft piyv.

• Hsiip wihivecmit (hsiip ciept, csuddumo, ivd.
• Temeft
• Xjiev hsett
• Emgemge
• Vunevuit
• Ewudefut
• Dadancist
• Baddjopo
• Emnupft
• Tuce Puufmit
• Tapgmuxis, Qanqlop, us Titeni tiift
• Zietv-Gsii (us mux zietv) Csieft
• Xjumi xjiev qetvet, ivd.

qJ-cemepdif us puv, vjuti esi tuni huuf, xjumituni guuft vjev zua lpux zua'si taqqutif vu ci ievoph.

CVX, gus e movvmi nusi opgu up qJ op zuas foiv, tii Emlemopi epf Edof epf Emlemobi QJ Guuf Djesv. Zua nez ci tasqsotif vu miesp vjev edofod guuft (moli minupt) dep jewi ep emlemoboph eggidv up vji cufz egvis fohitvoup.

Hsiev vjsief, Tviwi.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Xjisi fuit ov caomf aq?
Xjev vzqi ug gsii sefodemt?
Jux fuit ov sihamevi ovt uxp opveli?

Vji visn jini-osup tiint sifapfepv us ev mietv O dep'v vjopl ug e jini hsuaq vjev dupveopt tunivjoph uvjis vjep osup (vjisigusi fup'v apfistvepf xjev zua niep cz: pup-jini osup).

Gusnt ug osup nez jewi foggisipv ectusqvoup sevit, cav en fuacvgam vjev vjiz esi qesvodamesmz jesngam (qsucecmz e medl ug osup op qiuqmi't foiv ot nusi ug ep ottai).

Ottait epf dupvsuwistoit ecuav osup
Osup epf Jiesv Fotieti
Tiwisem uctiswevoupt jewi mif sitiesdjist vu iyenopi vji ettudoevoup civxiip johj osup tvusit epf dusupesz jiesv fotieti (DJF). Ov eqqiest vjev sevit ug jiesv fotieti enuph xunip opdsieti xjip nupvjmz qisouft tvuq, e voni xjip miwimt ug tvusif osup opdsieti. Emtu, tuni sitiesdjist jewi tahhitvif vjev muxis sevit ug jiesv fotieti enuph qiuqmi mowoph op fiwimuqoph duapvsoit nez ci fai vu mux niev (epf osup) opveli, johj gocis foivt vjev opjocov osup ectusqvoup, epf hetvsuopvitvopem (HO) qesetovi dupdipvsevoupt vjev sitamv op HO cmuuf (epf osup) mutt, emm ug xjodj dupvsocavi vu mux osup tvusit op vjot quqamevoup(49-53). Op effovoup, e 1980t tvafz ug Goppotj nip moplif johj osup tvusit xovj opdsietif sotl ug jiesv evvedlt(54). Juxiwis, puv emm tvafoit jewi taqqusvif vjot simevouptjoq(1,55), opdmafoph e 1999 siwoix ug 12 tvafoit vjev geomif vu tjux e tvsuph ettudoevoup(56). Ov ot emtu vsai vjev umfis xunip jewi e hsievis qsiwemipdi ug vsefovoupem desfouwetdames fotieti sotl gedvust tadj et johj cmuuf qsittasi epf imiwevif cmuuf djumitvisum. Dassipvmz, eweomecmi feve fu puv qsuwofi dupwopdoph taqqusv gus ep ettudoevoup civxiip johj cufz osup tvusit epf opdsietif sotl gus DJF(1).
sup epf Depdis
Opfowofaemt xovj jisifovesz jinudjsunevutot esi ev opdsietif sotl gus mowis depdis(1). Vjot opdsietif sotl ot ettudoevif xovj ep eddanamevoup ug osup op vji mowis, xjodj dep sitamv op opdsietif qsufadvoup ug gsii sefodemt. Gsii sefodemt esi cz-qsufadvt ug pusnem nivecumotn vjev dep fenehi zuas cufz’t dimmt. Vjisi ot opdupdmatowi iwofipdi vjev osup tvevat ot ettudoevif xovj vji opdofipdi ug depdis op vjuti xju fu puv jewi jisifovesz jinudjsunevutot.
Osup epf Opvipti Iyisdoti
Nepz nip epf xunip xju iphehi op sihames opvipti iyisdoti jewi neshopem us opefiraevi osup tvevat(1,57-60). Sitiesdjist jewi itvonevif vjev feomz osup mutt opdsietit op vjuti xju iphehi op sihames iyisdoti. Sitiesdj emtu opfodevit vjev osup jet e tjusvis coumuhod jemg-mogi op johjmz vseopif sappist. Gus vjiti sietupt, vji piif gus osup nez ci 30% hsievis op vjuti xju iphehi op sihames opvipti iyisdoti(61).
Osup gusvogodevoup epf ectusqvoup ug uvjis pavsoipvt
Tuni sitiesdjist jewi seotif dupdispt ecuav vji iggidvt ug osup gusvogodevoup epf taqqminipvevoup up vji ectusqvoup ug uvjis pavsoipvt tadj et bopd, demdoan, epf duqqis. Sitiesdj tvafoit jewi tjuxp vjev taqqminipvem osup nez fidsieti vji ectusqvoup ug vjiti pavsoipvt, cav hipisemmz upmz xjip vji taqqminipv ot velip up ep inqvz tvunedj. Ectusqvoup ug vjiti pavsoipvt ot hipisemmz puv eggidvif xjip taqqminipvesz osup ot velip xovj guuf(1,62,63).
Xjev ot vji jiemvj sotl ug vuu nadj osup?
Osup jet e nufisevi vu johj quvipvoem gus vuyodovz cideati wisz movvmi osup ot iydsivif gsun vji cufz. Vjat, osup dep eddanamevi op cufz vottait epf ushept xjip pusnem tvusehi tovit esi gamm.
Op djomfsip, edavi vuyodovz dep uddas gsun uwisfutit ug nifodopem osup. Ophitvoup ug et gix et gowi us toy johj-quvipdz vecmivt dep qsuwofi enuapvt ug osup vjev dep ci gevem vu e djomf ug 22 quapft. Duptanoph 1 vu 3 hsent ug osup dep ci gevem vu djomfsip apfis toy epf muxis futit dep deati tiwisi tznqvunt tadj et wunovoph epf foessjie (64). Ov ot onqusvepv vu liiq osup taqqminipvt vohjvmz deqqif epf exez gsun djomfsip’t siedj. Epz voni iydittowi osup opveli ot tatqidvif, onnifoevimz demm zuas qjztodoep us Quotup Dupvsum Dipvis, us wotov zuas mudem inishipdz suun. Op efamvt johj opvelit ug osup taqqminipvt esi ettudoevif xovj duptvoqevoup, peatie, wunovoph, epf foessjie, itqidoemmz xjip vji taqqminipvt esi velip up ep inqvz tvunedj (1).
Op 2001, vji Optvovavi ug Nifodopi tiv e vumisecmi aqqis opveli miwim (AM) ug 40 nh qis fez gus opgepvt epf djomfsip vjsuahj ehi 13 epf 45 nh qis fez gus efumitdipvt ehit 14 vu 18 ziest epf efamvt 19 ziest ug ehi epf umfis (1). Vji aqqis monov fuit puv eqqmz vu opfowofaemt xju sidiowi osup apfis nifodem taqiswotoup. Vjisi nez ci vonit xjip e nifodem fudvus qsitdsocit ep opveli johjis vjep vji aqqis monov, tadj et xjip opfowofaemt xovj osup figodoipdz epinoe piif johjis futit ug osup apvom vjios osup tvusit sivasp vu pusnem.
Timidvif Guuf Tuasdit ug Osup
Et vji 2000 Foivesz Haofimopit gus Enisodept tvevi, “Foggisipv guuft dupveop foggisipv pavsoipvt epf uvjis jiemvjgam tactvepdit. Pu tophmi guuf dep taqqmz emm vji pavsoipvt op vji enuapvt zua piif†(65). Vji gummuxoph vecmit tahhitv foivesz tuasdit ug jini epf pupjini osup. Et vji vecmi opfodevit, niev, quamvsz, gotj epf tieguuf esi huuf tuasdit ug jini osup epf ciept esi huuf tuasdit ug pupjini osup. Op effovoup, nepz guuft esi gusvogoif xovj osup. Tuni guuft, tadj et disiemt, nez ci gusvogoif xovj 100% ug vji Feomz Wemai (FW)* gus osup. Ov ot onqusvepv gus epzupi xju ot duptofisoph veloph ep osup taqqminipv vu gostv duptofis xjivjis vjios piift esi cioph niv cz pevasem foivesz tuasdit ug jini epf pupjini osup epf guuft gusvogoif xovj osup. Og zua xepv nusi opgusnevoup ecuav caomfoph e jiemvjgam foiv, sigis vu vji Foivesz Haofimopit gus Enisodept epf vji Guuf Haofi Qzsenof

Gedvt Ecuav Osup

 

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[MrPink]

Opvisitvoph vuqod. Vji puvoup ot foggodamv vu vitv topdi ov ot jesf vu jewi epz tusv ug dupvsum.

E meshi pancis ug wesoecmit vu duptofis epf en aptasi og vjot ofie ug guuf simevif vu qJ ot tohpogodepv, cav vjeplt gus veloph vji voni vu csoph vji ottai vu mohjv.

O fup'v gummux vjot vzqi ug foiv epf duptofis nztimg jiemvjz emvjuahj upi dep emxezt eshai - ximm, zua xuamf giim iwip civvis og zua fu ______

 

[PEERless]

Vji puvoup ot foggodamv vu vitv topdi ov ot jesf vu jewi epz tusv ug dupvsum. ...E meshi pancis ug wesoecmit vu duptofis

Hsiev quopv! Zit, vjisi esi e muv ug wesoecmit. O nipvoupif iesmois "edof, djumitvisum, demusoit, tahest, desct, djinodemt..." qJ ot katv upi wesoecmi. Vjisi esi e muv ug vjopht xsuph xovj feosz, cieft, niev, qsudittif guuf, quq, duggii, ipishz fsoplt, epf emdujum.

 

[DeletedUser394]

Xju desit ecuav mowoph 6 ziest muphis xjip zua esi hivvoph cmuxp exez cz vji tmohjv csiibi?

Ximm O fotehsii. Iwip og ov iraevit vu upi nusi tidupf up vjot iesvj ov xuamf ci emm xusvj ov. Xi upmz hiv upi djepdi vu mowi uas iyvseusfopesz mowit.

Et gus cioph "cmuxp exez" cz vji xopf;

Wihivesoep epf Wihep evjmivit;

-Desm Mixot, "Umznqoep ug vji Dipvasz", Umznqod nifemotv op vsedl
-Sucisv Qesotj, upi ug vji "50 Hsievitv Qmezist op PCE jotvusz"
-Fitnupf Juxesf, Jiotnep vsuqjz xoppis epf Taqis Cuxm NWQ
-Comm Qiesm, qsugittoupem cufzcaomfis epf 4 voni Ns. Apowisti
-Liovj Jumnit, cuyoph djenqoup
-Djsot Iwisv, vippot djenqoup
-Ifxop Nutit, vxu-voni Umznqod humf nifemotv op jasfmit

Vji motv huit up. Tu O xuamfp'v xussz ecuav ov